A friend emailed this pic of Kate getting some comfort from Mat Oldfield, what do people make of this? does Kate drop the controlled guard she has to put on when ~Gerry is not about and get comfort from someone a little more loving, concerned and human? VivX and thanks Atardi for your post below. xMADDY MOVE
18/04/2008
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The owner of the holiday flat where Madeleine McCann vanished wants to rent it out, it was claimed yesterday.
Ruth McCann - who is no relation - is said to be asking £19,500 a year from tourists for the Ocean Club property in Praia da Luz, Portugal. The two bedroom flat has been empty since August.
A local paper claimed it will not be available until June because police need it for a reconstruction. Ruth McCann refused to comment.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 528 Newer› Newest»Hope4truth,
So glad things are getting "normal" for you.
I think some people can get "paranoid" after all the attempts to try to close Viv's blog. I have been on line many times when they tried to do this.
Just try to focus on posters you are confident with. I think Swedishmum and Niki said it also. If you don't like a poster don't react on their comments. (my translation). See yesterday's posts.
I always feel comfortable when I see Dolores, Nikiyou,Leigh3,Isis and others I really trust online.
I've been reading back today. (after daughter's football match)
Yesterday was avery nice day here. I remember that Nancy (sorry if it was someone else) thanked Viv for it.
It's difficult to react on every post.
But you don't have to comment on every post.
Goodnight all,
Have a lovely evening. Read you all another day.
Hope,
Both Libra and Taurus are ruled by the planet Venus, which like its Goddess namesake, is the planet of love, femininity, and beauty.
Libra and Taurus crave the feminine aesthetic, including in clothes and home decorating.
So pastel shades, smooth lines, and soft fabrics are popular with both.
However, where a Taurus is generally steady and measured in what they buy (they are an Earth sign), Librans tend to be a little indulgent, flippant, and sometimes indecisive (as is the nature of an Air sign). If a Libran likes three different colours of the same shoe and simply can't chose a favourite, then they'll just buy them all! (to be on the "safe side" LOL). Librans tend to take a long time making up their mind, and can also be quite reckless or "air-headed" when it comes to spending money!
:-)
Marga,
Not ignoring you.
Been reading this morning and wanted to ask you about the avatar. It was a landscape.
Was it PDL.
You know what I hate to read about children being abused/killed because I can't stand it. So I won't visit the link. It's to emotional for me.
As you know I have 3 kids and that's why I'm here. I just want that all kids all over the world will get the love and guidance they deserve.
Hey Atardi
I have never blogged before and do find it strange that people are so pasionate about trying to stop freedom of speech?
I dont want to get into an argument with some from the DX so would not dream of going on their blog to tell them they are stupid or wrong.
Debating is good as it gives you a chance to think about your views and look at all sides of the argument or discusion.
The DX broke into two very clear groups and although some of the pros made valid points otheres resulted to mind games and nastiness.
I dont read their blog and as I dont like most of those who post on it would not even think about going their just to insult them and disrupt it.
When it started here especialy the filth that was posted I was discusted but as Viv has spent her own time organising this blog there was one thing the idiot achieved they made me want to stick around to support her.
We are all entitled to our views and no bully will stop me in real life they wont stand a chance so in cyber space not a chance...
xxx
Night Zodiac xxx
Bianca,
Was just logging off and saw your post. That is me to a tee. My husband is a Taurean.
BBFN.
Bianca
Air headed with money that is me I can go out with £200 and come home empty handed and with no cash and not have a clue where it went (Good job my Husband loves me lol)...
xxx
Zodiac,
LOL, yes, a pretty good description of some other Librans I know too!
Night :-)
Hope,
Yes. Librans mean well, but just can't knock back something beautiful or delightful. You're lucky you have an understanding hubby, LOL!
:-)
Marga -
Thanks for showing us the photo of lovely Isabella - so sad - I just can't bear to look at her sweet face - may she be with the Angels now.....
Nancy
Nancy,
Looking at that child's face makes me sick. She is so beautiful, and what happened to her is gut-wrenching and unthinkable. More countries are going to have to bring back the death penalty. I never thought I'd catch myself saying that, but things are getting intolerable on this planet now.
Bianca -
thanks for your post - better not to think about acid lakes in Huelva or we'll all be having nightmares! I don't think K&G could do something like that could they?
It is true though that doctors are of a different breed from the rest of us. I suppose they have to keep themselves unemotional most of the time, but when it's their own daughter surely that's a different thing altogether!
I have a friend whose a doctor and she idolises her kids - they are always her first priority. She wouldn't harm a hair of their heads let alone leave them alone at night on their own. Yes, these tapas lot are a strange bunch; they say birds of a feather stick together and they certainly do!
By the way, I tried to get on to your website but no luck so far.
I'll try again later.
I'm signing out now, so I'll see you all on here tomorrow and read the rest of the posts tomorrow!
Nancy x
Sleep tight Nancy.
Bianca -
Just saw your last post and agree with every word - it's a crazy world and I'm glad I haven't got young children any more!
God Bless
Nancy x
Atardi,
no, it isn't PDL.
It was a photo of the countryside after a rainy day.It's sth common in the region where I live. This is the landscape I do see every day.:-)
I was also shocked when I read the news about this girl. She was almost 6. DNA in this case has helped to solve the crime. There was evidence around the window, bedroom and in the car. In maddie's case there was no evidence of an abduction. Police have other type of evidence and with the new techniques ( also mentioned in today's DM article)they must have sth strong there.
Thanks Nancy.
Hi Nancy,
Yes, it IS a crazy world. And I'm sorry to sound like a stuck record, but parents have got to be so, so vigilant! Being a slack or overly casual parent just isn't an option these days! (actually, it never was!).
Yes, I'll bet you're glad your kids are all grown up and strong now. I can understand that!
About the McCanns - I no longer believe the killing theory as I say, but if they DID kill her, then I'd say they made incredibly sure her body wouldn't be found. They are just too sure of themselves for people who think there's a chance they will be sprung with a body.
I agree. Doctors must be able to detach emotionally - it's an integral part of the job - but when one of their own children are involved, surely you expect a deeper, more human side to come out?? I don't know. It's very odd, because initially they seemed quite cold and detached but now, frankly, they both look worn-out and haggard, especially Kate. Maybe they are feeling the weight of guilt over leaving her (or worse)?? Maybe they are scared they will be arrested for something? We may never know, but certainly, they look much more drained and harrowed than in the early days.
Take care :-)
Goodnight All
Going to watch a film with my Husband may see some of you later xxx
Nancy,
Hope4Truth just got in to my blog a while ago, so I'm not sure why some people can access it and others can't??
My url is: beeshive2008@blogspot.com
If that doesn't work, you can try clicking the link in my profile (or have you already tried this?).
I'm not sure what else to suggest .. sorry!
Night Hope, enjoy the movie :-)
Night all from me too.
It's 6 am and I have to be up in 4 hours.
Yes, I've done it again! (another "all-nighter"). Will I ever learn?
Take care,
Bianca xx
Hope4truth and Irina,
I made a large post post to you but because of my internet problems it got lost.
Hope, daughter's team won. It was a sunny day but we had too much wind.
What I said in the post that didn't appear here.
It's my first time too blogging and it's sad that some people don't respect freedom of speech.
I was talking yesterday to a friend and she was with her family in SA, they visited the apartheid's museum and she experienced what it was for black people to stay in a row. She told me there where 2 rows one for black people and one for the white one's. Don't need to tell you which row was the longest. She was so ashamed. The black row had to stay hours in the sun.
Like I said before many people think it's about Portugal vs England but it's about a 3 years old girl and about 2 doctors against the truth.
About forensic evidence, how about footprints? We all know that there was a bed under the window.So how come the police didn't find nothing? And as for gloves, even using gloves the predator can be traced.
Footprints are very important. And the British police and the PJ didn't find any footprints. Only Gerry's fingerprints on the shutters.
Irina,
We all know that no woman left the table on the 3th of may. Why did CM say that Rachel was in JT's apartment?
Marga,
You really live in a nice place if you have this view every day.
Like I said before it's not that I want to ignore your post but I have a 6 year old child too. And just reading your post made me vomit.
Maybe I can be able to read it over a couple of days.
Like you know we don't have 2345 here anymore for FE so we must rely on each other.
Atardy, CM was talking about the night when Madeleine was heard crying - 2d of May. He said that it was a surprise for K&G to hear Madeleine's complaint in the morning 3d of May that they did not come, when she cried< because when they were checking the night before they did not hear crying. And Rachel did not hear crying being in the room next to Madeleine's.
In all this there are a lot of "inconsistencies":
1. Rachel did not live next to McCanns.
2. No one was checking on Maddie that night 2d of May if to believe Ms. Finn and resort management.
3. They were not apparently eating in Topaz, but Chaplains.
There have been many attempts from McCanns and others to give impression that Madeleine was alive on the morning 3d, and that they did not leave her on the evening of the 2d.
Good evening all, just been trying to read back and catch up but here is so much that by the time I do you will all have gone to bed.
Anything new today that I have missed
Hello, Gina.
I don't think you have missed anything really important but I've also been away all day.
Hi Claudia, I have also been out most of the day, or busy when I have been in so no time to read. I am suprised Paulo Reis hasn't posted much since he has been back,
Atardi,
Hi,this has not been discussed a great deal,it is rather a long article,I will give you the link.
XX D
15th October 2007
A bloody footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to The Mail on Sunday.
The existence of the two marks, which has never been revealed until today, is apparently at the heart of renewed suspicion that the couple were involved in their daughter's disappearance.
New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a 'moderate' chance that the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=487501&in_page_id=1770
Hi Irina,
And that's what I find odd. If Rachel was in the next apartment the night before Madeleine disappeared like CM said than she would have heard Madeleine crying like Mrs Fenn did.
I've been reading back and know that you a zoo at home.
You really must be a busy woman.
Dolores that is a bit weird isn't it, am I being thick or something but how would a footprint get into the boot of the car
Hi Gina,
The sun was shining here but it was very windy.
About your last post yesterday.
What I meant to say was that if the majority of the English people supported the Mc Canns the PJ would be in great trouble.People think of Portugal as a development country. But we must not forget that they are working with the British police.(This is my opinion but I think they have been working with more countries)
Have you read Niki's article? Don't know who said that an abduction was impossible because anyone would have noticed that in PDL.
I for one support PJ and Madeleine.
Gina,
The footprint was apparently on the back bumper.
Hi Atardi,
I see what you mean now. I am trying to catch up with all the posts but it is gone 11pm here now and I am fading. As you are aware I am still confused totally about the case. I tend to work backwards on theories. I cannot see how an abducted managed to climb out of the window, with those shutter there, carrying a child without waking her, and without being seen. I also cannot see how any parent, if their child died accidently could just dispose of her body. However I am not naive enough to presume that to be impossible
Dolores sorry hun I am being very lazy as have not read the article but does it actually say that. I have never heard about this before, have you
Gina,
Hi, yes I read it at the time, but it's good to go back and refresh on the case.We tend to forget lots.
XX D
Dolores,
Like I said before I feel so comfortable when you are here.
And yes I read that about Kate's footprints.
Gina,
Part of the report shown to this newspaper reveals that officers who examined the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve after Madeleine went missing on May 3 discovered a 'partial footwear mark', believed to be from a size 5 or 6 shoe, just outside the bedroom.
The FSS results conclude that the footprint matched the pattern of a mark found above the rear bumper of the McCanns' Renault Scenic hire car – a print which Portuguese police apparently believe is consistent with someone lifting a body in or out of the boot.
Dolores I have to say I do not understand forensics very much, well not enough to argue the point with anyone, but I do under they principles of whether it comes from a dead person. What I cannot understand is, if they have proof that M is dead because of this evidence why are they taking so long making an arrest. The only reason I can conclude is because they know she died in the apartment but they do not know who is responsible for causing her death
Atardi,
Thank you,I know what you mean,there were some people on DE who left quite a few of us with a bad taste in our mouths.
xxD
Gina,
I only know what I read about forensics like most of us. The police need to have a watertight case before charges are made as any evidence collected after that cannot be used.
I am sure Viv who has written about this many times, can explain the technicalities much better than I ever could.
xx D
If I recall correctly the footprint on the bumper may have belonged to a PJ officer, at least i read it in the papers and I am not sure if it is seen as relevant, I may be wrong. A size five shoe is small for a man though more like a womans size.
Hi Viv,
Seems like your blog is very popular.
Same photo explaining why Mat Oldfield is consoling Kate.
Link:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=560696&in_page_id=1879
Dolores, yes I have read lots about it, I suppose I just wish this mess would end, but I know it takes time. Don't thin I want tho think about it just before bed anyway.
You were talking about DX posters with Atardi I think, and strangely enough I remember some by their avatar first then have to think what their name was
Dolores,
;)
xx Atardi.
Atardi,
The photograph reads to me, that the horror of what happened the day before,which must have been like a nightmare, is finally a reality.
XX D
Gina, I think Paulo is still not 100% recovered from the not serious health problem that made him stay away.
Sorry for the delay. I have visitors.
Oh Joe this is messing with my head now I have started to think about it. For blood to get from the floor to a shoe it would have to be wet (I presume), so unless M was put in the car before they cleaned up, I guess it would have dried and how a PJ officer would have trodden in it is even more confusing. I wish I hadn't asked now, I will be awake half the night doing a Miss Marples and trying to work it out.
Claudia, I bet you had imaginary visitors :-)
Gina,
I wont bore you with the detail,but even blood that has been cleaned up can be detected and a floor may look clean etc until the forensic people look at it. In the mean time the invisible blood can be transferred from one site to another on shoes, as in the case of the floor to bumper. Looking at it one would see nothing with the naked eye.
Gina, lololol
For imaginary visitors they eat too much! lolol
Atardi
Your daughter won her match again they must be a very good side...
Film is rubbish so have given up xxx
Hello anyone else here xxx
Sorry Joe - Claudia, I was just reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=560696&in_page_id=1879
This article is really slamming into the PJ, plus the are running another article on Amaral. Looks like there is going to be a lot of digging and dirt dishing for the next month or so. So sad, no mentioned of Madeleine, just parents, PJ
Off to bed, good night all
Hi, Gina.
I've read it. Don't worry. People have been warned.
Bye. I won't be long either.
Hope4truth,
It's a very long story about daughter playing football in Ladies/Dames 1 after this case is solved I will tell you about it.
But you already have the link.
What film were you watching at?
The same old tune from the Mail. It cannot even contemplate that there is more to this story than the just the nasty PJ accusing K&G of involvement in Madeline's disappearance. going down the OJ Simpson route, attack the credentials of everybody involved in the case even then the evidence becomes secondary or even redundant. If Mr Amaral is cleared what then? It shows that the PJ and Prosecutors office is not afraid to go to court. As I said the other day the weekend /Sunday comics can always be relied upon to spin the rubbish.
Hi viv,
Your blog is very popular. Same photo explaining why Mat is comforting Kate.
Link:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=560696&in_page_id=1879
Read you all tomorrow.
On A3 is a thread that gives tomorrow headline of People on Sunday:
"Kate will face new charges" something like that.
The source was Sky newspapers preview (not on line).
Anybody watched it? Any details?
Hello everyone,
Just passing to say good evening all, I see that the majority of you are no longer here, just like to comment about the pic,.
It was a pic, imo taken as others, for the photograph moment just like the former PR Justin McGuiness told us on the day that Gerry went to Portimão, she told us that Kate would go with him and give him a kiss and that really happens. She kiss him in front of all the photographers that were present, this was appointing, if you remember, in Panorama BBC Program by one Portuguese journalist that was also interviewed, who was very critical about that …I can be wrong, but is only my opinion!
Atardi,
read you tomorrow,
good night.
As it appeared, nothing new in "People", all old spin as poster on A3 says:
I just read the Sunday People article and its complete BS...
Says that the PJ will be charging KM with neglect, because they can't pin anything worse on her - they call it a "face saving" move by the "bumbling PJ".
The first sentence of the story refers to Maddy's "kidnapping", so that should tell you what their perspective is...Story is pure spin and no substance, which explains why it is in only one paper.
Good night
About the leaks: Article on SOSMaddie by Duarte Levy
15.04.2008
Telecinco Prétendues revelations "are a work 100% Spanish"
The information given by Nacho Abad in the issuance of various fact-Ana Rosa "on the Spanish television channel Telecinco" do not come from the police or Portuguese Clarence Mitchell ", or at least that's what a close journalist and the team responsible for the program, adding that "information has been obtained by Spain to people who have regular contact with McCann."
This statement just confirm what had already been revealed by one of connecting pieces of the British police in Leicester, for whom the alleged statements by Kate McCann, or it refers to a conversation with her daughter Madeleine few hours before his disappearance, " were not made to the police at any time of the survey but constant of a document from a detective agency with which the parents of Madeleine worked after his disappearance. "
According Nacho Abad, in his testimony the McCann reportedly told investigators that their daughter Madeleine, who usually remained alone in the apartment with twins, asked her mother why she did not have to when she was crying on the evening of May 2 "Why you are no not come when pleurions us yesterday evening? (...)", reportedly asked Madeleine.
The program, based on the alleged statements of McCann, focuses on a possible abduction by one of the windows of the apartment but this version of events is disputed since the first day by John Hill, the director of the Ocean Club . According to this official, no window of the apartment was broken, forced or broken.
The first GNR officers of the Lagos arrived on the spot after the first call to police, also confirmed that no window or door had been forced or broken, noting that Madeleine's parents had never alluded to this possibility.
Clarence Mitchell, Head Communication and spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, had himself confirmed in October 2007 that there was no evidence of tampering in the apartment ", thwarting several statements by the couple e their families in this direction.
For investigators, the question of the window does not even arise because all realized expertise, both Portuguese and British, have concluded that there had been no break in any of the windows. One conclusion supported by Professor David Barclay, one of the greatest experts from the United Kingdom.
Information used to call into question the police and the return of McCann in Praia da Luz.
The information disclosed by the Spanish journalist Nacho Abad has not gone unnoticed seen yet chosen: three inspectors of the Judicial Police in Enderby were busy with the questioning of several important witnesses, and McCann had travelled to Brussels to visit the European Parliament and join in a written statement calling for the establishment of a warning system for European cases of child abduction.
According to police officials, Leicestershire, asked to comment on the disclosure of the alleged testimony of McCann, "it is no coincidence that this appears at the same time that the interrogations. The choice of date is too precise and organized for whether it be a coincidence. "
"If the situation were watching over meadows, McCann was in Brussels or they had a series of meetings at the highest level during this time our colleagues Portuguese were here to accompany the interrogation and reported a request to couple to return to Portugal, "said the British officer adding that" leave this information worked well and directing its origin to the police allowed to divert media attention and create a plausible justification for the couple refused to return ".
Kate and Gerry McCann, via Clarence Mitchell, took advantage of the revelations of the Spanish TV, the same person to whom they had given an exclusive interview to accuse the Judicial Police want the "dirty unscrupulous", demanding the Minister of Portuguese Justice to intervene and conduct a survey to leakage of information.
Stephen Dorrell, a member of the British Parliament, after being contacted by relatives of McCann and Clarence Mitchell, asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in London to exert pressure from the Portuguese authorities to clarify the situation, this was only as a consequence almost immediate official response from the National Directorate of the Judicial Police via a press release.
According to the Judicial Police, "it is completely false that the information content (Nacho Abad) constant repetition matter of the investigation, which under secret justice," deploring the intervention of Clarence Mitchell in a moment where were met by stagecoaches significant for the investigation. "
Good Night all:)
Ana and all - A tongue in cheek question
I wonder if those who think the PJ leaked the statements to coincide with the McCanns trip to Brussels are now going to say if anybody is charge soon, it has been done to coincide with the trial of Amaral
Today’s Mail article
Where does the Mail get off on publishing such trash? What do they achieve printing this biased account of events? Were they in PDL in May and with the McCanns 24/7 and know 100% that they are innocent?
Well out of those questions I can answer with certainty is the last one – no the Mail were not with the McCanns 24/7 in PDL and therefore cannot know the McCanns are innocent of the involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. Bearing this in mind why do they publish today this tripe?
Excepts from today’s Mail “Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, who was fired from the McCann case”. To Mitchell, the recent PJ visit to Britain to reinterview the McCanns' seven friends who were dining with them on the evening of May 3 was a diversion from what should be the inquiry's main thrust, finding Maddie:
"All of them put their case forcefully, saying nothing had changed from when they made statements first time around. The re-interviews suggest the PJ has nothing substantive to go on."
“Mitchell said the PJ's performance meant the time had come for an "international inquiry" into their handling of the Madeleine case.”What we want is not just an investigation of this latest leak, but a much wider inquiry into their conduct.”
"It's the sort of thing that could be done peer to peer - maybe by officers from Europol, someone senior from Scotland Yard, or the FBI. It's not about blame, but learning the necessary lessons."
“It is an extraordinary demand, born of exasperation, which is certain to be resisted in Portugal. Yet an examination by The Mail on Sunday of the PJ's record --not only in its failure to find Madeleine, but in the previous two Algarve cases where children have disappeared or been murdered - suggests it may well be justified.”
"You have to remember: until 1974 Portugal was a dictatorship," said a veteran Algarve journalist, who asked not to be named. "That was the climate in which the PJ was created. Their methods were pretty rough."
“Brutal treatment of suspects was routine. One expatriate British woman told me how a friend of her mother had been arrested in the late Eighties on suspicion of breaking and entering a house - only to be savagely beaten in custody.”
More of the same ilk can be seen in today’s Mail online – if you can stomach it. What bxxlshxt this is - publishing CM’s words verbatim like sycophantic bootlickers and that’s putting it politely.
Good morning all
I was not around yesterday so will have a read back.
Found this link on 3As
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/8144,features,phone-intercepts-confirm-maddys-death
The Sunday people
Kate to face new charges.
http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=mccanns-face-new-charge%26method=full%26objectid=20389183%26siteid=93463-name_page.html
Hi Di, wizard and anybody else who is here.
I think we are now moving into another phase in this case and we are going to get "press wars". The UK reporting one way and the Portuguese another. What a bloody mess.
Re the tapped phone call. I know the UK police do it almost immediately as a precaution. It does not mean that they necessarily think the person they are tapping is guilty but as they work on the principle that anybody could be guilty they cannot afford to miss the opportunity to get information (if there is any) in the early days. I am pretty certain it was phone tapping that nailed those accused in the Shannon case
I just read the article in the People (comic) and I have to be honest I do agree with CM when he said why now. Firstly I thought the time had elapsed to make these charges and secondly why just Kate.
I have been saying from the beginning when we were discussing the issue of leaving the kids that IF Madeleine was abducted she was the unfortunate one, but the whole group are equally guilty of "endangerment" so they should all be charged if any charges on that issue are going to be levied.
Wizard
from the article:
You have to remember: until 1974 Portugal was a dictatorship," said a veteran Algarve journalist, who asked not to be named. "That was the climate in which the PJ was created. Their methods were pretty rough."
Not as rough as the Spanish Inquistion!!!! I think they have moved on since then here in Spain, hope so :-)
Hi Gina
Totally agree, what a mess..
This is not about Madeleine anymore, it is about who is going to save face. Very very sad.
Wizard
Maybe it would be a good thing to investigate the investigation...
If the PJ have evidence and also statements from people who should have been bending over backwards to try and help give any information that may help find a missing child but have in any way not told the whole truth (or in Kates case not answered many questions) it may just show the world what the PJ were up against...
The questions Kate refused to answer??? I cant get my head round it at all if my child were missing and I thought for a second that I was under suspicion the fact I may be a suspect would make me feel no worse than the loss of my child (what could be worse?)but the thought that if I answred the questions cleared up any concerns they had about me would mean they took the abductions seriously again would make me want to answere every question ASAP....
This has never been about Madeleine it has been about saving her parents If we accept that their behaviour along with their friends was normal then I am afraid that it will only show the UK in a very bad light parents who put themselves above their child and that will do children no good what so ever.
Shannons family decided it was a quick and easy way to make money and thank god when she was found the police were allowed to investigate the family and arrest her Mother (whilst keeping Shannon safe)Karen Mathews is a Mother and I dont see anyone yelling about her rights what she did was apaling and the more I read about this unfit Mother the more discusted I am.
I have no idea what kind of Mother Kate is none of us see what goes on behind closed doors she may be wonderful then again she may not but by leaving the cildren alone night after night just so they had some time with their friends IMHO makes them very unfit parents and I am sure if Karen Mathews had done the same thing every person who defends the McCanns would be full of scorn for her actions.
Children first as parents we all make mistakes but whatever mistakes we make we have to take responisbility for it and ensure it never happends again and leaving children in a room alone while you trot off to a bar is not a mistake it is a choice and after your child so say tells you in the morning that you did not come when they were crying the night before to do so again is cold and heartless...
I am off for a bit see you all later xxx
Sorry, I am having connection problems this morning, I am going to shut down and try again later.
Bye for now.
Morning everyone!
Both articles are completely biased and disgusting.
The DM seems to have compiled bloggers' arguments against Portugal and the PJ.
I agree, Gina.
The press game is becoming really dirty especially the Br one.
Marga the bottom line is any paper depending on how it wants to steer its readers can find something dirty to print. No country is perfect and it is always possible to find something bad to say about any of them. Personally I think all these press reports are only making matters worse. It is stirring up Team McCann and it is stirring up the PJ at a time when they should be working together to resolve the issues.
If people want an enquiry IMO that is fine, but they should wait until the PJ either charge or release because I do not see what the enquiry will prove at this stage. IF the PJ have evidence which stands up in court and as a result the McCanns are convicted, there is will be no need for an enquiry into the PJ methods because once the case is over everything will be allowed into the public domain. Anybody who thinks they are helping by writing these articles are wrong, they are doing more harm than good IMO, but then I have always been against too much publicity from the beginning
Hi Hope4Truth/Gina,
We’ve heard especially in the foreign press that the PJ have evidence that human decomposition fluids were found in the boot of the McCanns car, the DNA was an 80% match to Madeleine’s. We’ve heard the sniffer dogs picked up the scent of a corpse in apartment 5A, on Kate McCann and were able to follow a route of the scent down to the area of the church. It appears there are no independent sightings of Madeleine at all on the 3rd May. We have been told the McCanns do not have an alibi for the afternoon of the 3rd May. We are told the McCann attitude towards their children was to leave them in a crèche in the daytime and in the evening put them to bed early and leave them alone and go out with their friends. We are also told Kate has a volatile temper and the T9are prone to drink a lot.
Conversely we hear from the McCanns they are innocent of any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance therefore someone must have taken her. We have been told by the McCanns that the doors and window were all left unlocked which would make it easier for someone to enter the apartment. We have been told that Tanner’s original sighting of an alleged abductor at 9.15pm (the only sighting to be seen by anyone) on 3rd May has now been retracted. The McCanns have gone to extraordinary lengths to find their daughter, independent of the police. The McCanns tell us the pj are a joke and their PR man tells us continually the PJ are ineffectual and are not looking for Madeleine which has meant they have had to do their job for them.
If the pj have the evidence we are told about they cannot feel it is strong enough to charge the McCanns as surely they would have done so by now - are they still waiting for a confession from them? I think this is unlikely to happen so where does this case go from here? Has the pj got enough evidence to charge?
PS what I mean by no point of an enquiry now is, in order to have a proper enquiry investigation into why the PJ made the McCanns arguidos would be necessary to prove whether it was justified or not. In order to defend themselves the PJ & the UK police would need to submit what evidence they have (if they have any). Now who the hell expects them to do that in advance of concluding their investigation. They might as well just publish everything and leave the public to vote.
OFF NOW, Have a good day all x
Gina,
I agree with you concerning publicity etc,but this was their strategy and I only hope the truth comes out sooner or later.
I believe the PJ aren't doing anything to save their skinn. They must know what they are doing
otherwise they would have given up long ago.
One thing people people should be assured :
The PJ and the Portuguese will always put MADELEINE FIRST.
Only hope justice is done as in Isabella's case( the Brazilian girl in my avatar). DNA helped solve the crime.
I post a link below for anyone interested in this case. The article is in Portuguese but there are links there with diagrams and explanations to the crime.
http://oglobo.globo.com/sp/mat/2008/04/19/tecnologia_ajuda_esclarecer_caso_isabella_laudos_tecnicos_foram_fundamentais_para_formar_conviccao_da_policia-426970305.asp
Wizard your last line
Has the pj got enough evidence to charge?
That my friend is the big big question. I know things take time, but I would have thought something would have happened by now.
Marga rest assured I have never gone along with the theory that the PJ are totally lazy and incompetent. I have always said if that were the case they would have just gone along with the abduction theory, looked about for a week or so, then said she must be over the border and left it.
Have to go now x
Gina, Wizard,
let's wait and see.
The pressure is not on the PJ.
Enjoy your sunday!
It's a rainy day here.
Bye!
Good morning everyone! Actually it's already close to midday here...
Just passing through briefly, so it is this post and then off... Atardi, have tried to catch you on line the last coupple of days, but no luck. Wanted to say that I was very touched by your effort to get me back here! Thank you my friend:)
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About the press: Gloves are off...
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Mother Kate: I was reading somwhere,(can't remember where) that parents who are used to leaving their children with nannies, in nurseries etc.on a daily base, are loosing the parental-instinct to protect their children!
I actually belive this is truth! Remember at the hospital with my first-born, how amased I was when the nurses had taken him out for a check-up, and I could recognise his cry through all the other babies! My heart was beating faster, and I had to go and get him back in my arms in THAT moment!
What I want to say is that if you loose this instinct because there has been so many others to care for your children, you would leave your kids asleep alone without thinking of the dangers. Or, you would "loose it" if they interupted your plans of a good night out, and get agressive...
ARGH! Know what I want to say, but can't get it out properly:(((
Tomorrow I'll write in Norwegian or Greek, and you can google-translate it:)))
Have a nice day, and bye for now.
Niki
Gina,
today you sound more rxxx!
Abraço (hug) !
Marga it is raining here too:-(
More what Marga????
You know..
Have you forgotten my question to you two or three days ago? Are you the rxxx Gina?
LOL
Marga, yes I am, (unless someone cloned me that I did not know about) I think I caused suspicion by posting on both blogs. It was no point posting on the other one with guns blazing, I was just trying to get them to understand where I was coming from and for them to try and explain to me where they were coming from. However as I am critical of the McCanns "media circus" and marketing etc) and the fact that they found the necessity to hire a spokesman etc etc etc. needless to say when I got into that domain we started to disagree. I am not going to change my view and they are not going to change theirs, so no point banging on about it IMO.
I just want the truth to out and like whoever quoted it recently "no matter who it hurts"
This is me Marga
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Now really must go :-)
Marga,
I agree the pressure is not on the pj but it’s certainly on the McCanns. CM told us the “gloves are off” and this can clearly be seen with his continually promotion of a hapless Portuguese police force and all the rhetoric that goes with this.
Whilst the Daily Mail and others defend the parents of Madeleine day in and day out they reduce her to a non entity betraying her human rights as a victim and an individual in all this. It is her life that has been lost not the McCanns so why do they choose to support them when at the end of the day their support could be ill founded. Is it just simply by reporting this rubbish no one will sue them but by looking at the wider picture they could well be sued – because the wider picture implicates the parents? Of course, this argument is perhaps naïve of me, as it is easier and cheaper to copy and paste what CM says than to use investigative journalism and Madeleine stories sell newspapers.
Good morning all,
Daily Mail article another pathetic attempt to bad mouth PJ. Hope the PJ have a copy. The desperation is still there for all to see.
BBFN, have a lovely day everyone.
About the "bloody footprint" -
Members of the Tapas Group have described the "mystery of the bloody footprint" as being "like something out of an Agatha Christie novel". They don't take it seriously, and are not even sure if they believe a footprint was found.
I think it's in very poor taste for them to be making such jokes, however, it shows me that they are convinced there was no "bloody footprint". Would these people really be so confident to joke about something like this if they thought there was any chance the footprint was real? I doubt it, unless they are the most reckless, over-confident bunch of criminals in history, and this, I do not believe.
I find it very hard to take information "leaked" from police sources as fact, let alone "information" that even the people who were there at the time are prepared to openly make jokes about.
I am not saying I would want to socialise with any of these people. They strike me as highly self-centred and exceptionally cold. However, I doubt they are so pathological that they would openly laugh in the police's face at "evidence" that they thought may be actually be real.
Before everyone jumps on me, I am not disparaging the PJ by saying this. Quite the opposite - I think we should wait and let the PJ do their job and see what information they officially release, rather than relying on "leaks" and newspaper stories.
All we really know for sure at this point is that A) Madeleine is gone and that B) the McCanns seriously neglected her and her siblings. To me, this is enough already to make them criminals. Whether or not they are actually killers though, I feel we have no choice but to wait and see.
Hi folks, just having a cruise of the Sunday papers, same old, same old.
There are more and more reporters gathering in PDL now, though, and it is still three weeks until the "anniversary". So it seems a bit early to be that.
I still think something's up!
Being reported on 3A's:
Reporters from Mirror, Guardian, Mail and Martin Brunt are in PDL.......why?
Also one of the posters has gone to Pdl to nose around a bit. She has posted this morning "I Am in PDL.THE ROAD TO THE OCEAN cLUB HAS BEEN CLOSED OFF. wILL BE BACK LATER IF I HEAR ANYTHING"
Do you think something is about to break?
They are probably about to begin the reconstrcution and they don't want people getting in the way. I guess they could do the reconstruction either with or without the McCanns actually being there.
According to thepeople.co.uk, Kate McCann could face "neglect" charges after all. This was posted on their website today. Personally, I think this charge would be the most appropriate of all.
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MCCANNS FACE NEW CHARGE
EXCLUSIVE SCANDAL OF PLAN TO CHARGE MADDIE MUM 'KEYSTONE COP' FURY
By Paul Lewis
A shock new plan to charge Kate McCann over daughter Maddie's kidnap was last night condemned as "spiteful and shameful".
British legal experts branded bungling Portuguese detectives "Keystone Cops" for considering neglect charges.
And they claimed police wanted to nail grieving Kate to save face after failing to solve a year-old crime that has made headlines round the world.
One lawyer said: "After an inquiry costing millions and unprecedented international help, these Keystone Cops still haven't got a clue what happened to Madeleine.
The investigation was a mess from Day One.
"But rather than admit their abject failure, they've sought to shift the blame and smear the McCanns."
As we revealed last month, cops plan to clear Kate, 40, and hubby Gerry of playing any part in Maddie's disappearance from a holiday flat in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year. But they ARE thinking of charging Kate with endangerment for leaving Maddie and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie alone in the flat while she and Gerry, 39, dined with pals at a nearby restaurant.
The offence carries a maximum jail term of ten years.
Lawyers pointed out the move comes just a week after the couple accused the Policia Judiciaria of leaking a statement designed to smear GP Kate. She is said to have admitted that on the morning of the abduction, Maddie asked her why she hadn't gone to her when she began crying in the night.
But one lawyer said: "This is spiteful and shameful.
"By charging her with endangering Madeleine they'd be implying, 'It's all the mother's fault for leaving her' - as if that excuses them from not doing enough to find her.
"And it would mean washing their hands of Maddie when there's still a chance of finding her."
The lawyer added: "You have to ask why Kate's being targeted and not Gerry.
"Could it be the police are relying on her frankness in her statement to paint her as a bad mother, to damn her by her own words?"
Kate and cardiologist Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, are both still suspects in the inquiry.
They have co-operated fully with cops throughout the probe.
And they were even considering returning to Portugal to take part in a police reconstruction of events surrounding Maddie's disappearance.
But friends now fear Kate could be at risk of arrest if she goes back.
McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: "We haven't heard through official channels if they are considering this charge. But you'd have to ask yourself, 'Why now?'"
features@people.co.uk
If the neglect charge is to be laid it will be laid against both McCann's IMO, not just Kate as the Sunday comics suggest, thats why I do'nt believe it. In law GM would have been equally culpable as Kate. I think its just another spin tactic to give the impression that Kate is being singled out by the PJ,bullying and victimizing a grieving mother.
Mornign everyone,
I wonder what the chances are the PJ are about to do a reconstruction and that the whole of the Tapas group are there and it is being kept from the press?
After all if they are forced to go back there, would they want everyone knowing?
Joe,
Personally, I think both parents are equally guilty of neglect - why just Kate? I would like to see them both charged. I don't know about ten years behind bars - that seems a little harsh - but a year or two would convince me personally that they had been appropriately punished for the crime of neglect. Even Clarence Mitchell can not deny that Maddy told Kate she had been left crying, only to then be left by her parents again! This is appalling, especially as it appears to have led to her abduction (and possible death).
No. This shouldn't go unpunished. This would be a crime in itself.
Finally, I agree it's possible that CM is putting a "poor Kate" spin on this story. He is, after all, in charge of their PR (weird, as they are not celebrities but the parents of a missing child!).
Anyway, we'll see.
Bianca,
I read the first line of that report and then just had to give up, sorry.
'A shock new plan to charge Kate McCann over daughter Maddie's kidnap was last night condemned as "spiteful and shameful".'
The very word "kidnap" tells you exactly what angle they are coming from. More Clarrie-crap!
Hi Stella,
its a possibility I guess, but I could not see them going back unless dragged to assist. They have not co-operated on the simplest level to date. I think its just the Media hoping that a story will break and coming up to the anniversary.
Well said Rat
There is still a lot of Clarrie-crap leaking everywhere, perhaps we should call a decent plumber??
Morning all, if as reported there is activity in PDL and they may be about to re enact the night surely they would not need the people involved to take part. If , having reinterviewed the tapas group and if they have given their statments then the pj will be able to put together a reconstruction according to the information given by the tapas group. Now that will be interesting.
Joe, Hi
Exactly, with the fear of being arrested i cannot see any of them returning there ever again. I guess the PJ would want the entire reconstruction done under raps. I don't blame them really if it could jeopardizse their case in the future.
Bianca,
I agree that the neglect was equally both. The bit about it just Kate is another excuse not to go to PDL IMO as the PJ want to charge her with neglect. It does not wash.
Hi Rat,
The story may be written with a certain bias or angle (most likely, Clarence Mitchell's) but it's still worth reading for the actual news involved, which is, that Portuguese police are now thinking about laying neglect charges.
I was under the impression that they could no longer do this as too much time has passed. According to this article though, it seems they still can.
Unless, of course, it has been misreported, and in fact "neglect" is just ONE of the charges being included in the overall case about to be presented by the PJ??
I wonder?
So sorry all guests have just arrived very early must dash.....
Hi Isis,
Now thats not fair a re-enactment without the McCanns approval and no fee? What about the script? I forgot the McCanns do not talk without a pre-approved script.
Bianca, I can't remember the actual words, but I think Alsabella said that they could remain arguido for up to twenty years. So I am assuming that they could be charged with something at any point within that period, too.
Joe, yes ,quite!!! I forgot about that but clarence has been quiet ,unusually so since his "gloves are off" statment.
Joe,
You are right. It does make a very good excuse doesn't it .. i.e; "Oh, Kate can't return to PDL to answer police questions or help with the re-construction because she fears being hit with a "spiteful" neglect charge"!
LOL .. "spiteful". She left those kids completely on their own. End of story. What is "spiteful" about holding her accountable for that??
Anyway, it may just all be CM spin doctoring as some people suspect. Who knows? I just can't believe that, guilty or innocent of actually killing Madeleine, the McCanns seem to be consistently allowed to dodge police questioning! And if they DO lay neglect charges on them, then it's all they deserve, IMO!
Rat,
Yes, I read Alsabella saying that too (about being arguido for up to twenty years). I think this is way too long though - it should be resolved much sooner than this, IMO.
Anyway, I'm not sure if you can actually be an "arguido" to neglect, or just to murder/manslaughter? I thought they had to charge for neglect within the first six months, or just drop it?
I will say this though,
Other people, including other parents of missing children who have dealt with the PJ, have claimed publicly that the PJ are not only sloppy and amateurish in their investigation style, but that they use fear and intimidation techniques to extract "confessions". This sometimes includes physical violence.
If these claims (of which there are several; some even from members of the PJ itself) are true, then you can understand why the McCanns, who are lucky enough to have money on their side, would arm themselves
with lawyers, advisers, and PR people. You can also understand why they would be reluctant to submit to further questioning. Obviously, they do not want to be stitched up for something they have not really done.
Then again, it makes EQUAL sense that if the McCanns were guilty of killing Madeleine, they would be doing everything in their power, including hiring extradition lawyers, PR people, and dodging further police questioning, in order to avoid ending up in jail!
I can see BOTH the above scenarios as being plausible. And as long as I can see both possibilities, I'm reluctant to settle on just one, I'm afraid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=560696&in_page_id=1879
Stella -
You could be right about the reconstruction being organised and the Tapas 7 being there - nothing in our papers to confirm it of course, but then I saw no pictures of the PJ's when they came to the UK recently, so things can be done privately when the need arises it appears.
As for the People Comic and the Mail Dirtdisher, they can pontificate all they like about the PJ's - they want to look closer to home to see a few BP's disasters too! As much as I have great respect for our police, it would still fill a book and these tabloids know it!
If find it absolutely disgraceful that these excuses for newspapers are allowed to libel the PJ's like this and I hope the PJ's include them too if they carry out their threat to sue CM!
When it comes to the crunch it's the PJ's who are qualified to make judgements because this crime happened in Portugal and they have been tearing their hair out for a year with little co-operation to find Madeleine and get evidence together - so these excuses for newspapers should shut their traps and let them get on with it.
As far as being found guilty of neglect is concerned - the McCanns would be getting off lightly with that charge in my opinion. Madeleine disappeared, she wasn't sent to school without her lunch for God's sake and K&G and their pals who were supposed to be checking on the children are all to blame for that! The very least it should be a charge of continued abandonment leading to abduction!
Justice for Madeleine.
I'm off to a barbecue now but I'll be back later this evening!! TTFN!
That link is to a recent Daily Mail article called the "Damning Case Against the PJ". It includes a wide variety of claims and accusations about the level and nature of their police work.
You be the judge.
Bianca,
there are rogue cops in every country. If they are innocent of anything other than neglect, then yes, I could understand the reluctance to go back.
But then I keep coming back to the money making, the bandwaggon jumping, the registering of Madeleine as a trademark, the smugness and the lies.
And I think, yes, there is more to it than meets the eye.
Sorry about the bad pun in the last post, I can assure you it wasn't intentional!
Nancy,
I agree completely and utterly that the McCanns should be charged with abandonment, leading to the possible death of their daughter.
Rat,
I feel exactly the same way, believe it or not. My jaw dropped the first time I went to the official Find Madeleine site and saw the Madeleine McCann "online shop"!
I am also disgusted that they used money from the fund to find their daughter (money sent in by well-meaning members of the public) on their personal mortgage!
I feel they are very strange people and have never seen the parents of a missing child behave like them before! It's not weird to me that people suspect them of something more than just neglect. I did too, for ages, and am STILL not 100% convinced that neglect is their only crime!
It's just that, when I go over the logistics of it in my mind, I really don't see how they could have killed their daughter and disposed of her body in the amount of time they would have had to work with, let alone, with the world's media watching them so closely?? Really, how would they have done this?? I can't settle on a theory in my mind, and for that reason, have to pronounce them "innocent until proven guilty" (in relation to Madeleine's possible manslaughter, that is. They are OBVIOUSLY criminally liable for her neglect).
Sorry Rat, but which pun are you referring to?
You don't have to spell it out if you don't wish!
:-)
madeleine trademark. eye, eye!!!
Bianca, there are lots of details I have not worked out yet myself, and I do feel that more than the Mcs are involved. Some of the Tapas crew have got to be guilty of aiding and abetting. I think once this is all over, (a la Adelaide Bartlett) that they should tell us in the interests of science, how they did it.
Rat,
Oops! Now I get it (the pun).
Never mind. It wasn't intentional, I'm sure.
:-)
Yesterday , I wrote and said it is never too late to say you are sorry and that people would be sympathetic if that were the case. I really meant it.
But I do agree that if it is proved that something far more horrific occured in any 'disposal' of a defenceless 3 yr old who was their daughter then the book should be thrown at them.
Rat,
Only problem with that is, if they tell us all how they pulled it off, other people will get ideas!
Bath Theory,
Do you mean if they said sorry for the child neglect? (that people would be more sympathetic)?
Well Bianca, obviously it is not a very good idea for a crime, if you are going to get caught! Hahahahaha!!!!
:-)
My personal view is that if the McCanns did a press conference tomorrow, in which they officially apologised to Madeleine for letting her down, and also apologised to the public for spending the "fund" money on their mortgage, there would be a lot more forgiveness toward them.
Of course, it would have to be heartfelt, and not scripted by "advisers" or Clarence Mitchell.
I think the public want some kind of acknowledgment of the parent's personal guilt in all of this. So far, all we have heard is that the PJ did wrong by them, and that they "thought it was safe at the time" to leave the kids on their own. Nothing about their personal responsibility in all of this; nothing about their shame in neglecting their children in the first place. Where is the "We're sorry Madeleine, how could we have been so foolish"? Or the "Please learn from our mistake and NEVER leave your children unattended"?? It simply hasn't been heard from these two, and this has got a lot to do, IMO, with why the public at large have such little sympathy for them and/or consider them arrogant. It also, I believe, gives credence in many people's eyes to the PJ's claim of them being involved in Madeleine's manslaughter. People seem them as cold and unapologetic, so are more willing to believe the worst about them. If they were apologetic and self-effacing, it may take some of the suspicion off.
Well Bianca, obviously it is not a very good idea for a crime, if you are going to get caught! Hahahahaha!!!!
:-)
- [quoting RATONTHEBEAM]
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True!
Bianca I could not agree more. One of the big reasons they have so little 'real' support from the public at large now is that they are seemingly incapable of speaking and acting like most humans who deep deep sorrow and grieve do ie from the inner self -heart and soul.
Their words and actions are scripted, contrived & controlled. There is only one reason why that would be the case. Thankfully, slowly & surely the might of the British public has seen through it.
The media and establishment are taking longer because public opinion is based, by and large, in 'morality and ethics'. And the establishment bases its ethos and actions around power and control. As such it twists 'the law' to suit their purpose.
It is only a matter of time now (IMO).
(rewritten due to my apalling spelling!!)
Bianca
I could not agree more. One of the big reasons they have so little 'real' support from the public at large now is that they are seemingly incapable of speaking and acting like most humans who feel deep sorrow and grieve do ie from the inner self -heart and soul. People in those very real genuinely tragic situations do not need to wear the mask of a poker player.
And yet they do.
Their words and actions are scripted, contrived & controlled. There is only one reason why that would be the case. It is as simple as that.
Thankfully, slowly & surely the might of the British public has seen through it.
The media and establishment are taking longer because public opinion is based, by and large, in a sort of 'morality and ethics' BUT the establishment bases its ethos and actions around power and control. As such, it is used to twisting 'the law' to suit their purpose. They are less interested in morality and ethics.
It is only a matter of time now (IMO)before quite a few of the main players are courtbound and that includes more than the main two.
sorry 'grief'
My sister was supposed to go to her villa in PDL yesterday but the trip was cancelled. If she had gone I would have been able to confirm if the road to Ocean club had bee closed off today, and perhaps what is going on. But I can't now, so I have just posted you all a mine of useless information :-)
Hello, all!
Hope you're having a nice Sunday. Have been out all day, being pampered and relaxing! Anything new?
Hi Claudia
Nothing new but how about a return to talikn about cuddle cat? Surely the one thing that made the average person who sat on the fence to question these two more.
Sunday Mirror report, 13 September 2007 (link)
EDIT
But doubt was cast on reports that detectives wanted to impound Madeleine's favourite toys, including her Cuddle Cat, for further forensic tests.
Kate, 39, has kept the Cuddle Cat constantly by her side as a poignant symbol since Madeleine vanished 133 days ago.
The toy has already been tested by Portuguese scientists who used it to obtain a sample of the youngster's DNA.
Any further tests would done by a laboratory with greater expertise.
But the Forensic Science Service - which found Madeleine's hairs, blood and bodily fluids in the McCanns' rented Renault Scenic and apartment - has not been put on stand-by to receive any fresh samples.
Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine went missing saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.
Gerry's sister Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around.
Police sources questioned Kate's decision to wash the toy so soon after Madeleine's standby to receive fresh samples.
Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine disappeared, saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.
Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago because it was filthy after being carried around. Police sources questioned Kate's decision to wash the toy so soon.
A former Scotland Yard detective said: "It's the last thing I'd expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do."
Clauda Hi, nothing actually new just looks like all the sunday papers are gearing up for a load of mud slinging at Portugal, and I dare say the Portuguese papers will sling a load back. This case is a mess now and it seems Madeleine is way down the list of priorities
Gina , can you confirm Martin Blunt from Sky is in PDL?
The issue here in this article about cuddle cat is that it confirms that Cuddle Cat was first washed ONLY 5 days after she went missing !!!!!!!!!!
bath theory, no sorry I can't. I am really annoyed my sisters trip was cancelled because she would have done the same as me and found out all sorts if there is anything to find out
Bath Theory, ys, the cuddle cat thing is very revealing. One of the very revealing aspects of this case.
Gina, you will never read anything like that in a Portuguese newspaper. Trust me. And I hope the Daily Mail sell a lot. They are going to need it...
Was it just a Sunday outing or will she be going tomorrow?
My summer source in PDL is no longer there
Claudia. Indeed , who would get rid of the smell of their dearly beloved eldest daughter on their favourite toy (We are led to believe) if they had apparently disappeared at the hands of an abductor (alleged by parents) ONLY 5 DAYS later.
I would keep that toy unwashed until the day I died or until it fell apart. Once again a strange cold, unattached response.
When you say 'revealing' in what way do you mean?
Bath theory, not only you but any normal, loving parent. But we all know they are not normal, common parents...
Baththeory, my sister lives and works in the Uk but has a holiday villa in PDL which she goes to as often as she can. She has had to cancel this trip due to an important meeting at work, so I do not know when she will be able to go again.. I think she will avoid the first week in May though!
Because it reveals a lot about the type of people we are dealing with here.
Gina, but the first week in May would be very useful to find out what is going on over there. Why don't we all club together and send VIV out there at our expense. She could report direct from the ground embedded with the locals and then we could even appoint our own PR expert !!
Bath Theory
Where do I send my money in a brown envelope to ????
xxx
http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10128.... Bath theory i dont know if there is any truth to it but there are reports that the road to the ocean club are blocked off, this is the link if you are interested.
I see it now, VIV pushing Martin Blunt out of the way and getting the microphone under Gerry's nose just as he is about to start the reconstruction. Now what would she ask him?
Baththeory haven't heard from Viv today perhaps she is already there!!!
Bath Theory,
Got your post and agree with your sentiments {P.S. Don't worry too much about your spelling :-)}
About Cuddle Cat - why would Kate wash this item after only 5 days? Did Madeleine sleep with this doll? If so, then wouldn't Kate (as a doctor, of all things!) be worried that she was potentially washing away the DNA of the "abductor"??
This doesn't make sense.
Oh, and obviously the detective from Scotland Yard doesn't think it makes sense either!
Maybe she put the tape out on the road to give us something to talk about as it is a quiet Sunday? I would get her to say this to Gerry.
Gerry, what would you like to say to Maddie if she walked around the corner right now ?
Does the Daily Mail sell a lot? I hope so.
Claudia , The Daily Mail sells about 2.5 million copies on a Sunday and is the apper of choice usually for a right wing person who believes the words that appear in front of them. It appeals to the type who then quote the apper as if it is the truth and nothing but the truth.
In other words its readers as a general statement don't think of the context or motive for why the words might be appearing in front of them.
paper I mean
Claudia it says in one of the papers that the Pj are about to charge Kate with endangerment. Well I do not agree with that at all, THE SHOULD CHARGE THEM ALL
Bianca, Hope for Truth & Isis
It may appear that many correspondents are in PDL 2 weeks before the anniversary. Seems a long jolly or alternatively something could be happening... my guess is it involves Murat's status changing.
That would switch up the heat.
Bath Theory, I'm glad thy sell a lot. That's a good thing. It's gonna hurt less.
Gina, I see what you mean. All of them neglected their children but our law is very clear, the sentence is bigger if any harm comes to the child neglected. That means that the ones who got lucky would probably get off with a slap on the wrist, maybe a fine or a suspended sentence. But not the McCanns. Madeleine is missing and that is serious harm...
Bath
I never thought about him apart from mebers of the Tapas saying they saw him and him being to helpful there was nothing else to put him in the frame was there???
I remeber back on the DX some Pro going mental about his mother seting up a stall asking people to look out for Madeleine "how dare she" etc etc I thought all the people from PDL did so much to try and help find the poor little thing but acording to this pro (cant remeber which one) she was very wrong to do so.
At least others tried to look for her it is more than her parents did.
Claudia, I understand what you are saying with regards to the law in Portugal, and you are not going to thank me for saying this, but if they just charge Kate it looks like she has just been singled out. There was no mention of charging Gerry too, it was just as much his fault. One of the other kids was left vomiting and could have choked. I still think they should either leave it or charge the lot, even if the others get a lesser sentence, otherwise I think the shit will hit the fan big time.
Have to go now see you later. Have a good evening all :-)
Wasn't it on April 18th that according to Rosiepoophead the MacCanns' arguido status was going to be lifted and they were coming to Portugal to destroy the PJ, make them all kneel down and beg for forgiveness?
The other could never be charged like the McCanns, Gina. They still have all their kids. I agree with you regarding charging just Kate. But that can be inaccurate information. Or the police may know more than most of us...
See you later, Gina.
Hello everyone,
What a disgust report from the Daily Mail today! I don’t even know what to say about it, what a disgusted liars…
What unsubstantiated allegations against the PJ, pathetic and serious attempts just to protect the "Saints" Kate and Gerry and discredit the police work!
I hope that, when the “D” day comes, they can prove all what they are reporting! I’m sure that the day will come! We are a small country but a brave one, we will fight for justice!
If they do charge just Kate with neglect it will be very wrong both parents should be charged.
I read it as another sympathy article oh poor Mother is going to be charged and she is still comming to terms with the abduction evil PJ etc...
I really believe the PJ had they wanted to charge them with neglect would have done so last year and if they could not be bothered to do their job would have gone along with the abduction made it perfectly clear the parents were bloody selfish and partly to blame and washe their hands of it.
All the money that has been spent could have been saved and sadly many missing children are not found in England, Spain, Portugal or the USA no matter how hard the police try to find them.
Ana, don't worry about it, hun...
Bath theory, my thoughts also. Too expensive to have journalists there this long before the anniversary.
Hi all
Just looking back in so have not had time to read back.
Just a thought, sorry if this has already been mentioned.
I wonder if this is another leak to win sympathy for Kate, I thought it had been stated before they left Portugal by Clarence, that no action was being taken for neglect. As I have just read from a few back posts all the tapas are guilty of neglect not just Kate.
I remember Coldwater on 3As saying, we are going to have many disappointments and ups and downs. He also said keep focused.
Hi Hope,
I don’t believe the People’s report but assuming it is true, then the only reason I see for not accusing Gerry along with Kate is, probably, only because the concern about the twins and for them not be private of both parents at the same time …But I must say that I don’t believe the People’s report a bit!
Cláudia,
How are you darling?
Today is a big day for us, our teams will face each other...Hope that, both, will see a great game...:)
Regarding the Mail’s report, I am really not worried about it but only because I know the D day will come...
Hello, Anita.
I'm pretty well, thank you. Been away all day. Hope you're ok too.
Ana, it will come and soon. Let's call it a hunch...
Finally managed the avatar, think I will change it as it is very bland. The thought was there 2 cats playing a game of chess, perhaps it should have been a cat and a mouse!!
Ana,Cláudia,
I'm repeating what I said in the morning.
Both articles are completely biased and disgusting.
The DM seems to have compiled bloggers' arguments against Portugal and the PJ.
They are desperate and using all what they have to (and lies) to fight against PT and the PJ.
If you read other blogs even the language they use is a disgrace. Offensive and low.
I’m very well, thank you!:)
I know what you mean, we just have to be patient and wait for the news that certainly will come this week, I suppose…
Marga, and I'm going to repeat to you what I said to Ana. No need to worry about. Everything's under control. Oh, and the Daily Mail sell a lot, as I've been told. That's great. They will need the money! :-)
Ana, I don't need any news. And I don't even know if they will come so soon. I'm all for hunches! ;-)
Hi Marga,
Yes,they are desperate, they know what the outcome will be...
Read you all later.
Time for a walk.
P.S.Meninas leiam o link sobre a Isabella que deixei de manhã.
Que triste...
Marga, see you later.
Thanks. I had already read about that terrible, sad case.
xxx
Marga,
"See" you later, I will read that link.Thank you!
Cláudia,
Darling,tell me:apenas em uma palavra, o que é hunches, em português,claro:)acho que não sei bem o k é...
Palpites, Ana. Palpites! :-)
Oh,thank you Cláudia, I thought that was something like that:)
It seems to me that when the papers cover negative stories about the McCanns, people here choose to take them as fact.
However, when the papers cover negative stories about the PJ, suddenly, the papers are not to be believed and it is all media "spin".
Somewhere in the middle, the truth must lie.
We all know that the McCanns are to blame for Madeleine's disappearance, but perhaps not to the extent that the PJ are saying??
Similarly, it's more than likely that the PJ have had some thugs among their ranks, but not to the extent that the British papers are trying to make out.
I tend to believe that both sides are to blame. First and foremost the McCanns, for neglecting their children so badly that one of them went missing. And secondarily, the PJ, who somewhere along the line have made some mistakes regarding this case (example, most people here agree that it was a mistake to make Robert Murat a suspect).
The PJ may have genuine forensic evidence and enough of it to convict the McCanns, I don't know. But with all the media "leaks", the interviews and re-interviews, and the changes in command, it's hard to see that they have been running this case with any real consistency.
These are not racially based statements or me just jumping to conclusions (anyway, I am Latin myself!). These statements result from almost a year now of following this case.
I'm starting to see it as a comedy of errors .. from both sides! The only thing not "comical" about it is that a lovely little girl is gone without a trace. And for that, I will always blame her parents more than anybody.
You're welcome, Ana.
Algu mi diz c'a judite bai ter uns troquitos largus im brebe! ;-)
Back to English now before Viv kills us! :-)
Bianca, I would advise you to read the article in the daily Mail. Carefully. It has nothing to do with Madeleine or the Mccanns. It is an excuse to smear a country (and we all know where it came from). As I said before, I'm glad it sells a lot. It will be useful.
P.S: My beliefs do not originate from newspapers' stories.
P.S: there is a huge difference between knowing what happened and proving what happened without a doubt. Especially with certain people...
Bianca,
How are you?
I see your point, but I live in Portugal, do you think that if my country was such a negative place to live and raze children, I would be here defending him? No I would not!!
The Daily Mail’s report is complete false, and we here know that it is false. We don’t know for sure if the McCanns are innocent or not until furthers news we are only expressing our opinion but we, the Portuguese people, do know for sure that the majority of things that have been reported about the PJ are false and serious accusations that in outcomes days will be
Cláudia,
I hope they will, they deserve it!
Bianca,
...that in outcomes days will be proved!
Ana, :-)
Oh, that lawyer guy, Aragão Something, the fake who was searching the lake will be sued by Gonçalo Amaral. Just the first one! ;-)
Cláudia,
I had already read about that, what a wonderful thing to do!
Go Gonçalo,we support you!
Cláudia,
Oh, and the other one now says that he didn’t knew what he was carrying on...!Another to go!:)
I have another hunch: that's only the beggining! :-)
Claudia,
I have read the article and agree that it is primarily a smear campaign.
It is also an attempt to paint the McCanns as victims, which they are not - Madeleine is the victim and it's her parents that set her up as so!
However, some aspects of the story must be true, at least, the claims made by individuals whose names appear in print. Perhaps the claims THEMSELVES are not true, or only semi-true, but certainly, these ARE the claims.
I don't see why all these people, who have nothing whatsoever to do with the McCanns, would come out and say negative things about the PJ if they didn't feel they had at least some basis in fact. Why bother? It doesn't make sense.
Furthermore, the Daily Mail is not the only paper I have read that seriously questions the way the PJ have been running this case (and other cases). If we're honest, we can see that the methods of the PJ have come under criticism time and time again, including from people in the PJ itself!
You say you do not base your ideas about this case on newspaper stories, but I do! Well, primarily. I am not in Portugal (or the UK) like you are, and only know what the papers tell me about the PJ and the McCanns. I have always kept an open mind and been incredibly aware of the Anglo-Saxon tendency to demonise anyone with darker skin. Furthermore, I have absolutely no reason on earth to have a bias against the PJ. But after almost a year now, these claims about the PJ's incompetency, not to mention their heavy-handed methods, keep cropping up, and from a variety of different sources, and so I have to ask myself if there's any truth to them??
My only bias in this case has always been against the McCanns. To be honest, I did not trust them right from day one. I still ultimately blame them for this mess, for if they had simply looked after their children like any other decent parents would have, they wouldn't have needed the police in the first place! But put yourself in my position. Story after story about the PJ, many of them negative, and quite a few from people who aren't even connected to the McCanns. You may have inside information, but I do not, so what am I supposed to think?
Ana, you mean the child killer? That's probably why he was convicted by three different courts... because he's obviously innocent...
Bianca, I wouldn't want to ne in any other person's position but my own. And I have no intention to influence yours and anyone's opinion. And no, once again I do not base my beliefs on any newspaper. As for the criticism of the PJ, that is not a problem. Obviously, any police force makes mistakes and has got good (the majority) and bad (the minority) elements. This is not about criticism. This is about lies. Lies that will be made clear in the appropriate place.
P.S: Criminals aren't usually very fond of the police. And I'll leave it at that.
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