6 Apr 2008

BRILL RESUME CONDUCT MCCANNS AND MY KIDS SNOWY WEEKEND IN WALES

More pics at bottom of article, although not actually of my kids for obvious reasons. "Child endangerment" Calcite wails on the Pros blog, just had to break my cardinal rule and post to point out my "children" who went on this weekend (yes folks without even a babysitter) are 28 and 34! They look a little bigger than Maddie, dont they..





Missing Madeleine McCannby Hazel W.M. McKinlay, Oct 17, 2007

Hazel W.M. McKinlay,Illuminati News
Guest Writer

hree year-old Madeleine McCann and her two year-old twin siblings, were left alone in a ground floor holiday apartment at the Ocean Club in the Algarve, every night, while their parents, Kate and Gerry dined at a Tapas Bar with seven friends, all medical practitioners. The McCann’s believe this was responsible parenting and the Social Services and media agree that at worst they were naive. On Thursday May 3rd Madeleine vanished from her bed without trace and her parents raised the alarm, claiming she had been kidnapped, or “taken” as they prefer to say. The twins sleeping nearby did not wake during the ensuing commotion.
However, I have suspected the parents involvement from the outset, for the simple reason that on the day following Madeleine’s disappearance, when they should have been back at the hotel, in pieces, being comforted by friends and waiting for the phone to ring, (like normal folk) Gerry chose to act as media spokesman, dispensing with intermediaries, such as a liaison officer or lawyer. Instead of speaking from the heart, he read from a script and didn’t choke-up or break down; actually, I have yet to see this “devoted father” shed a real tear.
His wife said nothing, no appeal, no begging or pleading for the kidnapper to return her daughter, not a word. From then on, I began scrutinising their behaviour and demeanour and I bet the Polícia Judiciária did too. Chief inspector Oligeario Sousa went along with the abduction theory to exhaust this possibility, but also to avoid alerting the McCann’s to the fact they were under surveillance. The PJ are not as incompetent as ‘Team McCann’ would have us believe, they were quietly gathering evidence and building their case.
With enough rope to hang themselves, the McCann’s embarked on a tour in Sir Philip Green’s private jet, meeting everyone from Alberto Gonzales to the Pope. What a rare privilege! But not once in their many interviews did they speak loving or comforting words directly to their daughter through the media, regardless of whether she may hear it... Why, because they knew she never would? Apparently the FBI regards this as an indication of guilt. They both discussed the situation in a nonchalant and matter-of-fact manner.
At one point Gerry stated, “We have grieved” which struck me as odd, since you usually grieve for the dead, whereas for a missing child, you continue to worry yourself sick... Nonetheless, they retained their composure and appeared relaxed, blogging about jogging and enjoying “mince and tatties” with the family, nothing about Madeleine though! The British media fawned over the couple, portraying them as saints who couldn’t possibly be guilty, but nobody really knows their true character or what goes on behind closed doors.
One week after the disappearance, they launched a ‘fighting fund’ to find Madeleine, which has accrued a total of £1,091,108.67 donated by genuine well-wishers and rich celebrities. They began a series of tacky publicity stunts, selling ribbons, wrist bands and T-shirts from the online
‘Madeleine Store’ and planned a balloon launch, two weeks in advance, to mark the 50th day of her abduction. How did they know she would still be missing?
Gerry & Kate McCann

There were discrepancies in their version of events. They claimed the shutter was forced, but when that was disputed, they said the door was not locked. Dr. O’Brien left the Tapas Bar for half an hour, supposedly to attend to his own daughter who was vomiting. He then left the sick infant to return to the restaurant. Another negligent parent, or was he attending to something else? The McCann’s friends implicated Robert Murat, by placing him at the scene and Jane Tanner was the only one to see a man carrying a child in a blanket towards the beach. However, the Tapas 9 drank about eight bottles of red and four bottles of white wine. I’m surprised they could see anything! Tanner changed her story four months later, claiming the child was wearing pink pyjamas and the man was heading towards Murat’s house.
When asked about the first thing that crossed their minds when they came back to the room from dinner and realized that Madeleine wasn't there, Kate replied, “I knew straight away she'd been taken” she continued, “well, put it this way: I mean, she hadn't walked out of the apartment.” Gerry said, “When I got there and Kate told me, and when I looked at the scene as well, I had absolutely no doubt.” But Alex Woolfall from the Bell Pottinger PR group said, “They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a paedophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger.” So, which was it?
It is alleged that Gerry and a friend were spotted near the Nossa Senhora da Luz chapel on the evening Maddy disappeared. This is the last place police would look for a body and Father Jose Manuel Pacheco, who gave the parents keys to this church was reprimanded and replaced, two days after the “abduction.” I don’t suppose there is much use taking the cadaver dogs to the cemetery, they would go berserk! When it was revealed these dogs had detected the scent of a corpse on Kate’s Bible, clothes and hire car, Philomena McCann exclaimed sarcastically, “What, dogs can talk now?” Er...yes! Not in so many words but by reacting, like Keela the world renowned Springer Spaniel was trained to do.
Madeleine McCann

Only when they became Arguidos, did they begin to describe their predicament with expressions like, “unbearable anguish, extreme distress, pain and turmoil and an unending nightmare...” It’s a pity they didn’t demonstrate these emotions after their daughter vanished. The McCann’s said they were “happy” to assist police if it brought progress to the investigation, yet they refused to answer forty questions. So much for their catch phrase: ‘Leaving No Stone Unturned.’ Then, despite vowing to stay in Portugal, they scurried back home in the VIP lounge of Easyjet!
The McCann’s behaved like the Ramsey’s after Jon Benet’s murder, hogging the limelight, hiding in plain sight.... and like the Ramsey’s, they may well get off Scot free! They have friends in very high places, not least Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah Macaulay whose colleague Julia Hobsbawm is the founder and chief executive of Editorial Intelligence, which is spinning the ‘Immaculate McCann’ fairy stories, she is also an associate of Sir Philip Green. Clarence Mitchell, director of the Government's Media Monitoring Unit, became their spokesman, paid for by an anonymous billionaire benefactor. Hans Christian Anderson was not available!
Gerry hoped to use the fighting fund for their defence against killing her, saying, “It’s a huge disaster, we have this enormous fund and can’t use it for legal fees because we are suspects.” Wouldn’t they rather it was used for its purpose, to find Madeleine? But Sir Richard Branson and Everest Magnate, Brian Kennedy stepped in to cover the exorbitant cost of extradition lawyer Michael Caplan QC who charges £700 per day and successfully defended mass-murderer General Pinochet. With so many Knights of the Empire pulling strings for them, I can’t see a trial materialising, far less a conviction, but “Bring it on!” says Gerry, with four top lawyers waiting in the wings.
Team McCann will claim they cannot receive a fair trial due to the intense publicity, (which they generated) and when that won’t wash, unlike Maddy’s toy ‘Cuddle-Cat’ which Kate uses as a prop, they will insist they are being framed. When forensics refutes that, their defence will depend on the forensic evidence being made inadmissible, due to a bungled preliminary investigation. Sir Alec Jeffreys, the father of DNA fingerprinting from the University of Leicester is prepared to testify in court that his discovery is not worth a jot. In which case everyone who has been acquitted or convicted on DNA evidence should have their cases reopened.
If evidence was planted by the perpetrator, as Kate implies, then we must assume he/she was still lurking around Praia da Luz when their car was hired, but Philomena said on May 12th, "We don't believe that she is in Portugal anymore and need to get her picture and the story across Europe as quickly as possible." They believed Madeleine could be as far away as Argentina! Once again, which is it? If police planted cadaver secretions, then they must have had access to the body, but toxicology tests on hair or fluids would determine if the child was drugged, which could be the most damning evidence of all.
When asked during an
interview if they medicated their daughter, they both smiled. Gerry laughed nervously, averted his gaze, looking downwards and rubbed his ear. This is text book body language of a liar. Kate blinks excessively; often closing her eyes completely and keeps an object between herself and the questioner, the ever present pink ‘Cuddle-Cat.’ When asked awkward questions in a Spanish interview, Gerry stormed out! It doesn’t get more evasive than that.
Caring for three toddlers, all less than three years of age is incredibly stressful. Before she became a suspect Kate admitted that after the twins were born Madeleine “would run up and down screaming in the background, shouting for my attention.” I could almost sympathise with Kate (an anaesthetist) if she sedated them, but what is unforgivable is if they disposed of the body (to avoid an autopsy) without a Christian burial while professing to be devout Catholics. Maybe that’s why they got Ratzinger to personally bless Maddy’s picture.
Gerry has suggested the child was snatched to order by a paedophile ring, yet Kate said, "Madeleine is such a sociable child, so funny and engaging. She has a lot of personality. I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth.” Of the many crass statements this couple have made, this is the most shocking and needs no further comment from me. Their recent outburst, “Find the body and prove we killed her” sounds like a taunt! I believe they concocted the abduction scenario because there was too much at stake, namely their careers, which would have brought an end to their affluent lifestyle. This has not been proven, but if the McCann’s are guilty the implications are monumental.
If they killed their child by accident or otherwise, they covered up a serious crime and unlawfully disposed of the body. They deliberately tried to frame an innocent man, Robert Murat who said, “This has ruined my life and made life very difficult for my family here and in Britain.” Murat insisted, “I've been made a scapegoat for something I did not do.” He is now broke! A Russian who was also wronged, Sergey Malinka said, “I've invested seven years of my life in this country trying to succeed, and suddenly in one hour it's all fallen apart.”
The McCann’s extorted vast sums of money which they knew would never be used to find Madeleine, but was intended for their own expenses. They roped young children into raising cash and collecting donations. Football, rugby and cricket teams assisted in their fraudulent publicity campaign. They knowingly duped millions of concerned people. This deceitful couple betrayed their extended family and their daughter’s twin siblings. Their actions are cowardly and contemptible.
They insulted the integrity of Portuguese authorities and wasted valuable police time and resources. They allowed a bewildered Berber family to be harassed by the press because their daughter resembled Madeleine, and smeared Moroccan Muslims. They tried to engender sympathy for themselves, when it was their own daughter who was the victim. They used and abused her name to evade the law and escape justice. They and their friends have shamed their profession. Who will trust doctors again? Still, Madeleine may yet turn up in the home of some crazy kidnapper, I doubt it, but here’s hoping...























None of these pics identify either of my kids who were there, for obvious reasons, I just put them on for a certain doubting Thomas who was telling me there was no snow in Wales this weekend!






Viv x






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Anonymous said...

Wizard,

Yes I accept he could say he was following orders. However the Press conference to reveal Toothman, to me that was interfering in an on going live investigation with no back up from PJ and British Police. CM held the conference he would be accountable, IMHO.

irina said...

I think there is a humiliation is in store for CM.
Imagine the questions:
You publicly declared that you've been briefed by UK police. Is it the case or lye?
You publicly declared that there will be no changes in witness statements. What is it base on?
You publicly announced innocent person as a suspect... Are you willing to compensate?
And so on...

He will have to put his tail between the legs and blame all on the others.
I would love to be there: the police can ask questions that would be deleted from any public forum by the magic wand of Clarence.

Even if we are not there, I am so satisfied that all of them will face those questions and would not be able to hide under the table.

PJ speak for us!!!!

Joe said...

The McCanns out of the country when their pals are being quizzed is no co-incidence. Why not cancel the Brussels trip as something more pressing has just come up,like the PJ trying to find their missing daughter???

Cláudia said...

They always have trips when the heat goes up: made arguidos, home they go. PJ arrives, Brussels here we come. Coincidences...

Gina said...

Di, I know the pros think we are all evil because we cannot defend this lot but if Madeleine was abducted and someone had the guts to make a documentary in the lead up to the abduction then maybe they would see things a little differently.

e.g McCanns at Chaplins wining and dining, pan back to apartment 5A, Madeleine distressed and crying

Night of the abduction, Whole group wining and dining, pan to all the childrens rooms, some restless, one being sick, and the other possibly being drugged and pass out of a window, pan back to the happy diners. Get the picture, we all did months ago. Maybe this should be the style of anniversary documentary

Wizard said...

Zodiac I see your point - I wonder.

Irini, what a wonderful picture you paint - I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that interview.

mandarinn said...

Good evening

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Hi again!

Regarding child benefits in England I would like to know how much do parents receive monthly.

Can anyone answer this question?

Thanks.

mandarinn said...

hi claudia and all.
I read the post from 2345 about a lecture on Secundaria de Estarreja... it is said we never will know the end of this case bcs it will produce a diplomatic incident!!!!Isn't it already produced by UK authorities and news papers??!!!
Or is Socrates or Cavaco the authers of whatever happened to little poor Madeleine?! :(
Disgusting .. :( :(

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Zodiac,
"Their excuses are like their backsides they all have one and they all stink".
-----------------

LOL

One thing that worries me is the way the Portuguese government and other authorities are so mute by now. After all Durão Barroso is a Portuguese and a father too. I would be very interested to know his point of view concerning two arguidos being there in the EP.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Zodiac,
"Their excuses are like their backsides they all have one and they all stink".
-----------------

LOL

One thing that worries me is the way the Portuguese government and other authorities are so mute by now. After all Durão Barroso is a Portuguese and a father too. I would be very interested to know his point of view concerning two arguidos being there in the EP.

Wizard said...

Gina,

In the proposed documentary prior to Madeleine’s disappearance people viewing this would have child neglect screaming out at them. This lack of child care would to me ring bells as being symptomatic of the possibility of even more serious neglect or abuse which we were not privy to in the documentary. This of course could well be true in this case we just don’t know.

I don't think the McCanns would be so well received if people saw this type of documentary.

dolores said...

Irina,
The PJ need only ask one question concerning the watches and mobile phones,and that is....
Mr Mc Cann how did you know it was 9.05 when you checked on Madeleine?

xx D

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Cláudia,

do you know if there is a way to email him?

Gina said...

Wizard to be honest I could not care less how the McCanns are received in that type of documentary, but if it jolted a few people into realising that they have done the same at sometime and it could have happened to them it would be more useful. Moreover it would be about Madeleine, and what really happened to her, and that is all I actually care about. She was an innocent kid with no choices, her parents had choices and made the wrong ones.

Off now to pick up my car from the garage, hope I do not have a high bill for the service :-(

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

The people defending the wonder couple have continuously said the pj WOULDN'T ARRIVE in England.

They must be very disappointed by now.
Dear Lord, please protect the PJ and give them wisdom to defeat the evil.

mandarinn said...

I heard in TV (SIC) that PJ go to interview witnesses and ALSO have to clarify some aspects of forensic ppproofs from Birmingham Laboratory........hummmmmm
wathever it means.
I feel completly disgusted with our Govrn behaviour

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Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

manderinn,

not only Sócrates and Cavaco but also the PJ:-)

mandarinn said...

Marga
AMEN

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Sorry(typo)

Mandarinn,

i didn't watch sic but if they say that... well tehre is still hope if it is true...

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Sorry(typo)

Mandarinn,

i didn't watch sic but if they say that... well tehre is still hope if it is true...

Di said...

Gina

Your 17.42 post, how true..

Busy at the moment preparing the perfect meal, hope to catch you all later.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Guess 2345 will be glad to know that. Sorry clicked again twice.

mandarinn said...

Claudia and Marga did you see Chinese doll like an angel (avatar)...!!!!!!!!!!!!

mandarinn said...

Marga ... I'm very pessimistic also about the Labouratory...so long delay. It would be better to sent the analises to a neutral laboratory... Birm... is not only the one very good
AND... look as british are hard when poor people is envolved (see Shanon case)

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

No one answered my question on child benefit in England.

Well, here in Portugal it is so low that parents couldn't afford to live on that as it is the case of the english mother in Goa that could take all her children on holidays in a foreign country for so long.

25 euros is the amount for 2 children a month :-(

mandarinn said...

Marga Scarlet's mother also has a farm because it said they sold animals to complete the income

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Not very found of pasting other's posts but what do you make of this? My English is too poor for it. Thanks for reading.

Sass said...
Hiya Jane

Your daughter will be fine and if she needs anything she'll be on the blower to you double-quick!!!

I'll have to ask Rosie how to do something dead clever with links. She's somewhat difficult to get hold of this week what with her interview in Leics.

xxx
07 April 2008 18:10

Ana said...

Hello all,

Unfortunately, and I hate to say; justice won’t be done, at least for now ,they know the questions and they know the answers ,answers that their lawyers told them to give , they were very well informed of everything since the very begining!!!
I wish some one could just explain to me, what has this couple in special, a proved child neglecter couple, to have this kind of protection?

mandarinn said...

Lux what do you mean?

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Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Mandarinn,

no I didn'n see her/his avatar.But it might be the same as before.

But the bible tells us the angels are powerful creatures (not childish dolls) that protect people from evil forces and danger.
Their main mission is to protect one's spiruality. They are all male and very strong despite belonging to different categories.

The Lab was delaying the results so that everything could be arranged for them to easyjet.

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

mandarin

Why would Rose have interview in Leisc? What do they mean by interview? Is it the place where pj is? Sorry, I'm a bit lost.

Gina said...

Marga I guess nobody answered your question re benefits in the UK because they are a bit complex. You can get a base rate then there are add on depending on your circumstances and many people know exactly how to milk the system (if you understand what I mean by that)
If you want to understand it better look at this

www.direct.gov.uk

Phoned to see if my car was ready and it was not so that is why I am back here for a little while

nancy said...

Irina -

Well said, and surely some of those questions you write should be asked of CM bearing in mind he has been the McCann's mouthpiece since Madeleine disappeared! I also think he should be charged with perverting the course of justice for his statement about the Tapas 7 not having watches or mobile phones with them that night which no-one in their right mind would believe. If the Tapas 7 all go along with that and there is no way to prove they are lying it could very well send this case into the melting pot!! He should be challenged on a lot of his quotes and misleading remarks.

mandarinn said...

Marga
I wish you are right

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Lux(Luz),

do you think she/he is someone that is going to be very busy this week?

Wizard said...

John Geraghty lost a £200,000,000+ contract with the hospital that Gerry works at. Geraghty was reportedly very, very mad about it – is this the same kindly millionaire John Geraghty who lives in PDL. Imo when telephone number money get lost or made very heavy players are involved.

Gina said...

Lux firstly the word blower is slang for telephone. Regard Rosie it means nothing. It is only because many people have said she is linked to the case that they make their own jokes about it. But you are right the PJ are in Leicester

hope4truth said...

Marga

I get £124 a month I think for 2 children and would get this even if I was a millionaire I should also get £40 a month Tax credits but filled in the forms and nothing happend and although I should do it again dont have the time...

If however my husband left me I would get lots of money a freind who's husband left her with one child of 4 although he still pays good maintanence and half the mortgage as they both work now gets £600 a month tax credits (she has not spent any of it as she is sure it is wrong and she will have to pay it back) although she has been writing and calling for a year they say it is correct...

In England it seems the more children you have and the lack of work and or a partner you get even more which is bloody annoying when we pay such high taxes...

People should not live in poverty but there was a case recently when a young girl of 17 lost both her parent and had a part time job earning £70 ish a week tried to get benefit as she was struggeling at collge and was more or less told if she got pregnant she could claim loads and have her rent paid...

Thanfully she is an inteligent girl and said she was not ready for a baby and wanted to concentrate on her education and someone stepped forward to help her.

Very wrong system in UK IMHO x

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Mandarinn,

I am right.

don't forget that they had been already in England when the other results Finnnaaallyyy came!

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

marga
I was asking if Leisc is the place where pj is and if this post could mean he/she (rose) was to be interviewed? But may be I missunderstood the post

mandarinn said...

LUX
interview is asking questions to clarify the inconsistencies on their previous declarations.
Can i ask you which is your mother tong?
I saw you here writing a pretty good english

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Thanks Gina and Hope,

that's what I was thinking.

People do explore the system to make a living. No wonder so many examples of multimarriages and a big number ofg children.

Gina said...

Marga maybe that is why they get so many immigrants. Here in Spain the welcome us ex pats but if we cannot support ourselves that is tough, there are no handout from the Spanish government.

mandarinn said...

I understand now one of the reasons UK has the biger avrage of teenage4r mothers

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

mandarin

My doubts are about the possibility of rose being interviewed but I guess it was a joke.Thanks for answering me anyway.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Lux,

who knows?

If she/he is also going to be interviewed i wish her/him bad luck.

She/he is always an astute fox leading a nasty propaganda against everything in PT.

Hope the PJ are more clever ...

Gina said...

Lux I explained it to you also 18.35. She may be in Rothley looking after the twins while the McCanns away if she is related to them however (only joking)

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hope4truth said...

Marga

It is crazy here in the UK the more children you have and dont bother to work they are looked after well.

It is not actually worth working in some familys by the time you pay for childcare you would be better off on benefits..

But we are all entitled to Child Benefit which again is crazy when you are earning well...

x

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Gina, thanks! I missed your post. it is certainly a joke.

Marga, the problem is pj is not going to ask questions s not allowed to, and if all the questions where already known nothing is happenning. Pj never had a chance as politics always come first in my opinion. Why do politics come first in this case? the big question.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

To our visitor:
Thanks for the compliment.

It's nice to know someone considers you sweet...

I'm interested about the truth and someone who is continuously brainwashing other people seems to me to is hiding sth. That's why I don't wish the Tapas good luck.
They have tried to confuse the Pj and public opinion as so did the parents and the PR. I don't have any consideration for them. I do care about justice and the truth.
If they are lying they would dig their own hole. That's it.

nancy said...

I don't think it is any coincidence at all that the McCanns are going to be in Belgium for the period of time the PJ's are here - another shrewd move by whoever pulls their strings in my opinion. David Milliband worked it out down to the very last detail to save them and the government embarrassment - how fortunate that two child neglectors can have all the right people on their side all the time! They must have been born with a silver spoon in their mouths! I bet Gerry's mobile and watch will be working overtime - that's if he remembers to wear them!

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Have to leave now.

Read you later.

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hope4truth said...

Marga

If CM is resorting to saying no one wore a watch then it is another lie to add to all the otheres...

If they are lying I wish them no luck either and hope they trip over the untruths they have told.

One of the really strange things about that night is they insist they saw Murrat yet no one who knew him or lived there saw him and you are more likely to recognise someone you know than someone you have not seen before also JTs direction changed towards Muttats house did she think the press and PJ would not report the change in direction?

Poor Madeleine If she is still alive they have wasted so much time spinning what happend it is no wonder they were not believed.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

I know what they haven't done:

protect their children, stay by them and and cooperate with the police.

According to the Portuguese law they are neglecters. And they should not invent excuses and fool other people by saying they haven't done anything wrong.

Bye

hope4truth said...

Daisy

When two parents neglect their children and lie the first time in front of the cameras and make excuses then they are not doing their snatched child any favours as from that point on Madeleine was put out of the picture and they were the victims.

Lie the distance to the Tapas bar and excuses like dinner in garden...

And now none of them had a watch or a mobile with them this is about a 3 year old child not two selfish parents who went on a family holiday but left 3 memebers of the family in an unlocked room to their fate while they went to the bar with their neglectful friends.

That is the truth no spin no lies the truth what happend to Madeleine is debatable but hardly a word about her on his blog nothing just the fund this the fund that and we jogged again...

Poor Madeleine did not stand a chance

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Hope,
exactly.

And if they know about the questions they are despicable people.

Cheers!

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Just another thing:

I'll send Durão Barroso an email protesting about the Brussels issue.

Ana said...

Hiya Marga,

totally agree with you !!
If she(rosiepops)is supposed to be interviewed, and I don’t believe in it, then she is one of the liars and people that tell us and the to the rest of the world lies don’t deserves any luck !

hope4truth said...

Marga

If any one of them tells a single lie when asked the questions then may they feel the guilt each and every day for the rest of their pathetic lives.

When their children grow up and start questioning what happend on that holiday when they get older I hope they can look their child in the eye and tell tehm they realy did everything they could to help find Madeleine.

Not well we had to lie as we could have lost our jobs...

Also I hope that they dont realise one day if they had stuck the facts something they did see may have actually found her but as they had to lie to cover ????? up she was missed...

I dont know anymore surley a 3 year old child is worth the truth?

Di said...

Back for a while...

Wish I had not bothered with the perfect meal, did a thai curry and I am still trying to find my tongue. The pain whilst eating was unbelievable, won'y be doing that one again....

2345

Commented on 3 As this morning that Gordon Brown's brother was in PDL when Maddie went missing and immediately left.

Why was he there???

Gerry's comments on airport bus,
not much of a holiday for him, or words to that effect.

I do think there could be a connection with the NHS link that 2345 talks about. IMO.

Ana said...

If what Clarence Mitchell said,is true and I must say I don’t believe a word he says, the McCann’s and their friends are much worst, if that can be possible, of what I ever ever imagined they were!
How could they just go out and dinner, leaving all the kids alone, one of those was alleged sick at the time, without a watch and mainly without a phone? How had O’Brien contacted JT and told her that her daughter was sick and vomiting? Are we supposed to believe in that?
Who they think we are, some kind of cult that believes in everything they told us to believe?
IMO this couple and their friends are the worst concerning child cares that I ever suppose they were, much much worst !

lorraine said...

Not once during any interview did anyone say "I didn't wear a watch that evening so I can't be exactly sure of the time". It would be a natural answer to give if one had not been wearing a watch. The questions have been approved by the HO so presumably a question about the watches is a no go. Clarence has left this statement until just the right time. This will explain each and every discrepancy in the time lines and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

ta ra said...

Evening All,

Personally, I think 'Big Brother's' fingerprints were smeared all over this case, right from the outset, and this explains why a tragic, but common criminal case has been mired in intrigue.

Viv's article above, first posted by Dolores here last night, expresses the common sense skepticism which many people have about this bizarre case, imo.

Interestingly, the author points out a well known, but little publicised fact: the McCann Machine or media manipulators, as I call them, have been ably assisted by Clarence Mitchell's extensive UK Government and media contacts, against the wishes of UK diplomats,and police.

The UK Government sent their head of the media monitoring unit, Clarence Mitchell, to give preferential treatment/cover for the McCanns in Portugal; he now works for them privately, paid for by a Labour Government sympathiser businessman.

Mitchell benefits from his association with Julia Hobsbawm, a colleague of British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's wife, Sarah Macaulay - who made her career in...yup!...P.R.

Tapas 9 is a very odd number in more ways than one, imo.

Follow the money - that way the truth will be found, imo. Investigative journalists will do that, just as they have done so often in the past.

The numbers just don't add up in this bizarre case, yet. They will, in due course, imo.

Best wishes to all.
leigh

Joe said...

Why do'nt the Tapas have the guts and just tell the truth, instead of all the BS that Mr.Pink spouts day in and out. It cannot be that difficult can it? Its not rocket science just the plain truth.

Cláudia said...

Hello, everybody!
What's new? :-)

Di said...

Leigh

I follow your meaning, let's hope!!!!

ta ra said...

Hi Joe,

It may be that the 'plain truth' reveals complex lies which go beyond the fate of one little missing English girl.

Common sense tells most people that there are 'inconsistences' and 'contradictions' in the version of events offered by the so-called Tapas9, and their supporters.

It's interesting how often wrong doers can rationalise their behaviour, and convince themselves that lies are justified, particularly if they believe that they are protecting others.

ta ra said...

Di,

Ta. Follow the money...an ignore flimsy showmanship :-). Agreed?
leigh

Di said...

If only we could all be interviewing the tapas, oh what fun we would have...

Was the door locked or unlocked...

who checked and when...

Were the shutters jemmied..

Ohhhh I could go on and on...

I have not once heard Clarence say anything that would make me believe there is not a cover up with this case, if, I am wrong then prove it...

Cláudia said...

Di, if we had the chance to interview that bunch, in the end of the questionings you would have a dozen more descriptions of the 'abductor'...

Joe said...

Hi Leigh3,

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence cannot but get a little irate at the idiotic excuse proffered daily by the Pink one, no watches, phones and I suppose no marbles either. Perhaps he can hold the Tapas hands as they are interviewed. We the public are all simple and a patronizing clown like Mr. Pink insults us all. Is he the Tapas shepherd and they all sing to his tune and are incapable of speaking for themselves.?

lorraine said...

Former detective Mark Williams-Thomas, who has followed the case closely, has told Sky News Online the Portuguese detectives are likely to want a challenge to the group's evidence.


Particularly, he said, they are likely to be interested in the evidence of Jane Tanner, who saw a man carrying a little girl walking away from the vicinity of the McCanns' apartment.

"She (Tanner) was very specific in her evidence - like what the man looked like, what the child looked like," Mr Williams-Thomas said.

He said evidence given by another person present on the night may be considered more "independent" than that given by Ms Tanner.

Mr Williams-Thomas also said he believed that the focus of the investigation had changed and that the line of questioning was now interested in the McCanns.

Joe said...

This Mark Williams Thomas guy is sharp, 11 months on he is only just working it out.... top notch expert.

He changes his mind by the minute I do believe. A resident expert for Sky or the tabs I think, I have another word for him, which I will the spare the posters from reading.

Cláudia said...

One of these days CM is going to say that they have never been in Portugal and that all of this has been a dream. Or a nightmare, in this case...

ta ra said...

Hi Joe,

Yup, I agree, however, it is often the case that honest inquiry, and common sense, defeats sophisticated lies, in time.

Also, it may be that the public are so incensed at the patronising attitude of child neglect excusers that the public become more determined to pursue honest inquiry, rather than abandon it.

'Never pull a tiger by the tail'...or the tale :-)

hope4truth said...

Blimey

I have been stuck on the previous page for an hour wondering where you had all gone :o(

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Sorry to insist on this but I think it's amusing how the first post I paste here for you has been changed one minute after by removing the reference to rose. Here are the two posts.

1st version I posted here:

07 April 2008 18:07
Sass said...
Hiya Jane

Your daughter will be fine and if she needs anything she'll be on the blower to you double-quick!!!

I'll have to ask Rosie how to do something dead clever with links. She's somewhat difficult to get hold of this week what with her interview in Leics.

xxx
07 April 2008 18:10
_____________________________
2nd version 1 minute after:

07 April 2008 18:07
Sass said...
Hiya Jane

Your daughter will be fine and if she needs anything she'll be on the blower to you double-quick!!!

I'll have to ask Rosie how to do something dead clever with links.

xxx
07 April 2008 18:11


__________
IS it a joke or not?

ta ra said...

Hi Lorraine,

Interesting that the media-savvy Williams is now admitting what any common sense person has recognised for many months!

I agree with Joe: Williams courts publicity rather than honest inquiry. Just another media tart, like others I can think of.

Williams is a 'useful fool', imo. Even so, it's interesting to see him now state the blindingly obvious.

Rats deserting the sinking ship?

Di said...

Claudia

LOL......

lorraine said...

Hi hope
I have done that loads of times. Hope you are well.

Lux
Very strange.

ta ra said...

Bonjour Lux,

Very astute of you to notice the telling details, in my opinion.

'Little things mean a lot, and there's nothing bigger than the little things.' That's an old saying. It applies in this bizarre, ongoing investigation.

Lots of big noise is being made, but perhaps the truth exists in the quiet, little moments, and places.

We'll see...

Cláudia said...

Di,

;-)

hope4truth said...

Lux

It is a joke if RP was anyone important in this case it would be an idiot to post half the rubbish it has but loves the attention it gets when denying it is anything to do with this very sad case...

hope4truth said...

Hi Lorraine

LOL I have sat through Coronation Street Eastenders and back on Corrie now...

As soon as it is over I am going to do something useful for an hour!!!!!!!!!

x

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Lorraine
Very strange. May be some one is playing games to fool outside readers or some one made a very very silly mistake online, in my opinion. If it's just for others to "fish", they must have now lots of fun. If it is something else, then may be rose (he or she) is being questioned by the pj these days, in my opinion again.

Joe said...

Leigh3,

The dull little man will blow with the wind. He is an expert when it suits.

If this Rosiepops person is getting interviewed someone should tell her its London not Leicester. If its true it shows her constant rants all fit then or perhaps she is a Tapas groupie or wannabe

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Hi Leigh!
I am certainly being played around but it is strange all the same.

ta ra said...

Hi Hopefortruth.
Nice to see you again.
RE: Lux' post. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate how much cynical manipulation Rosiepopses (and I do mean plural) have put into a determined attempt to manipulate public opinion, and divert attention from serious inquiry.

Google 'Editorial Intelligence' or check out www.mccannfiles.co.uk for a glance at the complex media manipulation being used in this bizarre case. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's wife is a colleague of Julia Hobsbawm, founder of Editorial Intelligence, and associate of... Clarence Mitchell, for head of the UK Government's Media Monitoring Unit.

Just my opinion...

hope4truth said...

Joe

Sad wanabe who would want to be part of this sad sad situation? I feel sorry for the family if any of them have any doubts they will have to stay quiet and probebly feel guilty for doubting them.

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Leigh I agree.
What I find strange is it has been changed very quickly: just one minute without any other post getting in the middle as in both versions, the previous post was the same at 18:07
Just a small detail but it had to be noticed very quickly (or not noticed).

ta ra said...

Hi Lux and Joe,

A lot of cynical media manipulators, politicians and vested business interests are 'playing' about with this bizarre case, imo.

Personally, I believe that honest inquiry will continue, regardless of the threats and lies used by manipulators.

Patience and time are all we need, I think.

hope4truth said...

Leigh

If people are really being paid to post to sway opinion it is a very dangerous game to play if someone could need some money so badly to defend people who are suspects in a 3 year old childs disapearence there is nothing to stop them accepting a lucrative offer from the press to tell all...

They may have signed contracts to keep silent but that has never stopped ther press before...

Maybe the DX should investigate futher could be a good money spinner for them if there is any truth in it ????

xxx

Chrissie Nyssen said...

the trolls are laying out bait and hoping that we all bite for it.

the interviews are being held in london and the mccann themselves are in brussels so why should anyone wish to go to leicester.

it is all a "wind up" imo and not a very good one at that.

ta ra said...

Hi Lux,

I think people get sloppy when they think no one of significance to their game plan is looking; it's a kind of dumb arrogance, I think.

Just like the kind of dumb arrogance that allows 'inconsistences' and 'contradictions' to be repeated in glossy magazines or allows dim witted relatives to make public statements, contrary to statements made by the accused.

Oh, well. 'Useful idiots' is how Lenin described such people. He was talking about the public serving political will. Much like in this case, I think, although some idiots have become a liability!!!

hope4truth said...
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hope4truth said...

LOL nah not really xxx

Or would it???? LOL

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

ultraviolet

portuguese media all said the same thing that interviews are in Leisc and pj was flying to north of England. Who confirmed it was in London?

dylan said...

Hello Viv & all.

Firstly, apologies to viv for the email. Was somewhat down this weekend with the weather, my situation & with exams looming this week. I have picked myself up and am trying to turn over a new leaf this week.

I liked the photos. It is a shame that the irony was lost on some people! Somebody's kids???? In their twenties???! I do hope that yours had just as much fun though and I thought you looked fab for your age, viv ;)

I haven't had time to read the multitude of posts again. For whichever reasons people post (and the trolls and pros obviously can't stay away) your site is very popular!

I bought two newspapers today to see if i could decipher any docmac between the lines. Does anybody or can anybody give me a hint? Or is it tomorrow we should keep our eyes peeled?

Good wishes to the usual, decent posters.

Dylan xx

:-( said...

UV

If it's a bad wind-up then how come people are debating it?

How come you are calling them trolls? They didn't come here - you copied the post from their blog! __________________________________

the trolls are laying out bait and hoping that we all bite for it.

...

it is all a "wind up" imo and not a very good one at that.

dylan said...

Irina,

Just noticed your avatar.
If that is a picture of you, I have to say you have a very kind and pleasant face. x

Chrissie Nyssen said...

daisy, kindly show me the part i "copied"

i never visit that blog anymore. i do not wish to debate who has the prettiest avatar and read all about saint gerry the supernaturally gifted heart surgeon. these things do not interest me.

Cláudia said...

Dylan, tomorrow! :-)

ta ra said...

Hi Hope,

It took 14 months for damning forensic evidence to be finalised against Ian Huntley, the killer of school girls Holly and Jessica in Soham.

Sometimes, it is best to give wrong doers a lot of time and space, especially if they are aided and abetted by others.

'Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.'

Ian Huntley presented himself as a very helpful member of the public when Holly and Jessica went missing. He joined the search; gave interviews etc.

Child killers often mask their wrongdoing by offering to assist inquiries whilst actually preparing their own defence.

By the way, do google 'Editorial Intelligence' - it's the 'insiders' PR machine, founded by Julia Hobsbawm, colleague of British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's wife, and associate of Clarence Mitchell. Fact is stranger than fiction, sometimes.

Just a thought...

dylan said...

Marga,

I get around £160 a month in child benefit between three children. One of them is now 16 but still in full time education so I still get benefit for him.

It is not calculated simlpy, unfortunately. A parent receives more for his/her first child and decreasing amounts for the second and third etc. It also depends on whether the child has any handicaps for which the parent may need to spend some time as a carer for or may have increased costs in association, such as special glasses for children with vision defects etc.

I hope that is clearer than mud! :)

Dyl x

:-( said...

UV

There are no "pretty avatar" debates as far as Ive seen.
As for copying I was talking about the collective you.How come copied posts always end up here?

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

daisy
I noticed it and pasted it, Don't blame others IT WAS ME. Wind up or not, do not disturb yourselve to come and comment on it then

:-( said...
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dylan said...

Claudia - thanks )))

Cláudia said...

You're welcome, Dylan.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

daisy, i think you are quite mad.

it said on the bbc world service at about 4:30 today (british time) that the interviews were to be held in london, although the portuguese police flew in from faro to the east midlands airport.

hope4truth said...

Daisy

8 children were neglected night after night now one is missing Fact....

hope4truth said...

Leigh I am off to have a google x

dylan said...

Daisy has obviously been picking too many of them and used the spares from the chains in her evening meals and breakfasts!

Have to go again. May be back later, all being well.

BFN

x

hope4truth said...

See you Dyl xxx

Unknown said...

Hiya all

I have been busy today and just had a brief scan of posts.

I am very sad if Shannon's mom is all part of the plot. I really hoped she had just been misguided and had this dream that little Shannon was loved by her mom and would be reunited with her at some stage. If that is not the case it is truly very sad for this littel girl.

I have struggled to try and read all your posts and so took to scanning in the end and just picked up on this one of Irina's ..so simple, so sad and so accurate, neglect, murder, whatever, if only little Maddie had been with any of the caring parents she lists, yes little Maddie would still be alive and well. Says it all really, I think and it really does make me very sad that she was not..


"Why was not I born to Viv or 2345 or Hope or Doc or Dolores, Alsabella or anyone who cares but not these people?"

nancy said...

Off now blogmates - see you tomorrow when let's hope something concrete is reached and it doesn't all go pearshaped!

I expect that the Tapas lot are all synchronising their stories, along with their watches and mobiles to take with them tomorrow - be it Leicester or London!

Whatever happens, my opinion of these child neglectors won't change! They may think they were doing what many other British parents do, but I've got news for them - they are definitely in the despicable minority!

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Thanks Dylan.

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

I expect that the Tapas lot are all synchronising their stories, along with their watches and mobiles to take with them tomorrow - be it Leicester or London!
_______

:-)

You're right. What matters is that it's happening!

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Viv,

is it possible they have planned to be outside the UK because they were fearing being arrested ?

It may sound crazy but after all their tactics there must be sth odd with this timing.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

this is perhaps a new olympic sport. synchronized texting.

lizzy said...

Hi All,
I think I have grown more cynical since following this case, but would have felt happier if there had been photographic evidence of the PJ arriving rather than just a statement on the news.
They were filmed last time s we do know they were actually here, with the spin from CM we have had so far, I would have liked to see them...Lizzy

ta ra said...

For inquiring minds who ask: why have the McCanns received preferential treatment in Portugal, and the UK?

One answer: the British Prime Minister's wife is a close colleague of Julia Hobsbawm, founder of 'Editorial Intelligence', a PR company, and she is an associate of Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' mouthpiece.

www.mccannfiles.co.uk reveals what this cosy relationship hope to achieve; briefly: they want to tell YOU what to think.

Just a summary from mccannfiles:-
It describes Hobsbawm as 'like some discreet and engaging 18th Century Madam', a matchmaker between her clients and media outlets. Her 'house of dolls' masquerade as 'impartial consumers' on forums which are more trusted by the public than standard mainstreamm media.

The goal: '...disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as a spontaneious and independent public reaction to any number of political issues, commercial products, services or events'...like the McCanns in Portugal+their political/commercial network.

'On the face of it at least, Madam Hobs has something to satisfy even the most unconvential kinks and needs,' states the mccannfiles.co.uk

Journalists are courted, and schmoozed, given priority access to interviews/information on major stories involving Madam's clients. Some journalists capitulate. Some resist.

That's a problem for media manipulators like Editorial Intelligence who tell clients they will bring 'you the world of comment and opinion.'

Biggest problem so far: the McCann story has exposed a fissure between mainstream media, and alternative 'new media', like forums and blogs.

The forums and blogs are more trusted, and they are proving to be much more difficult to control.

They are easy to infiltrate, of course. We all saw it on the DE, and elsewhere, including here.

George Orwell would recognise this behaviour; he predicted it in his classic '1984'. The date was wrong; the premise was true, imo.

How's it going Rosiepopses, and Clarry? Not so easy as you thought, eh?

The Commentariat are cleverer than you imagined :-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Reading back a bit more and looking at Joe's comment I can confirm I have a similarly unprintable opinion of Mark Williams Thomas.

I wonder if he should enter Mastermind, I could suggest a few specialist subjects he could answer questions on:

1. My ability to state the blatantly bleeding obvious, here is an example of my skills here:

My comment on Sky News on 7/4/08 the same day the PJ arrived to witness the grilling of Kate and Gerry's child neglecting drinking buddies:

Mr Williams-Thomas also said he believed that the focus of the investigation had changed and that the line of questioning was now interested in the McCanns

2. My ability to get paid to state on national news whatever they want me to state and get paid for it in spite of being a jumped up and utterly hopeless underachiever who had to retire from the police because I found the role of police constable to mentally exhausting given my very limited abilities.

3. This is a complete and utter blank..maybe it got to the general knowledge section

Chrissie Nyssen said...

1984 with john hurt is a good movie. i would advise everyone to see it. and you will start to think, whether or not the hero, winston smith, is truly a character from fiction or does he really exist.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

there is another good movie that everyone should watch, with dustin hoffman in it. it is called "wag the dog" and it is about a spin doctor who invents a fake war.

i will not spoil it but the spin doctor gets his come uppance in the end. i wonder whether clarence mitchell has seen it yet.

ta ra said...

Good Evening ultraviolet.

Winston Smith was Orwell's representation of the common man or woman; the heart of humankind, honestly living, and yet such honest souls are a threat to manipulators of any kind, e.g. power brokers like unscrupulous politicians, commercial interests, emotional bullies etc.

When Orwell's 'Big Brother' State controlled every aspect of people's lives, and Winston Smith succumbed like everyone else, Smith was still a threat. Why? Because he loved, and love is the one uncontrollable, irrational trait of humankind.

IMO, we love Madeleine Beth McCann because one child is every child, and it is deeply offensive to see her fate manipulated by lying adults, celebrity names, commercial gains etc.

It is irrational that we love one missing English girl. Love is irrational. One child is every child in the hearts of some people.
xo
leigh

Unknown said...

`Hiya

I dont think they went to Brussels because they fear being arrested. They know that when the time comes there will be no escape from that, unless of course their top extradition lawyer decides to plead just how mentally unwell Kate is..

I think the reason they went is pure spin and arrogance. Psychologically then want to send out a clear message, we dont give give a stuff about the PJ being here to question our mates and what is more we are nice people campaigning for children, and we did remember our watches and mobiles but we are quite frightened to use our mobiles fearing those nasty PJs and British Police keep tracking where we are but tee hee we already told you, who we are calling and texting, just like they did before. How dare they interfere in our private lives in this way, it is because we resent that interference that we ordered Clarence to make an admittedly ridiculous announcement that Gerry was sending and receiving 14 texts on his mobile that night, that in fact he left for Madeleine to care for along with the twins. It must have been Madeleine on his mobile, that is all we can say, or maybe it was the predator trying to frame us. Yes we think it was..and you can ask Granny Cooper, Jane Tanner and the tennis playing mates of Gerry's just what he looks like and you will get the trruth, he is blond and 30, he is hideously Moroccan looking or even Portuguese with a distinct hint of Kate, he has no face at all, take you pick and stop calling us liars, how very dare you..

ta ra said...

Hi Viv,

That phrase 'how very dare you' always makes me chuckle. Don't know why. Just does. That's the magic of comedy, I guess.

Personally, I think that the inconvenient truths emanating from the honest inquiry of the public, including forums and blogs, will be a 21st Century solution to an age-old problem: how to unmask liars, and power brokers.

'Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.' The monkeys can play all they like. The wardens of truth will expose them to reality, in time, imo.

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Viv

I am sorry for posting this in another langage but I'm certain some one will translate it for all of you. My english is not good enough. These are words of grand beauty for the ones who look for the truth. Portuguese, pj, British,Irish, from all the planet. These are the words of a great great portuguese lady. Thank you so very much for giving the opportunity to debate and illuminate.




Porque

Porque os outros se mascaram mas tu não
Porque os outros usam a virtude
Para comprar o que não tem perdão
Porque os outros têm medo mas tu não.

Porque os outros são os túmulos caiados
Onde germina calada a podridão.
Porque os outros se calam mas tu não.

Porque os outros se compram e se vendem
E os seus gestos dão sempre dividendo.
Porque os outros são hábeis mas tu não.

Porque os outros vão à sombra dos abrigos
E tu vais de mãos dadas com os perigos.
Porque os outros calculam mas tu não

Sophia Mello Breyner Andresen,
in Mar Novo

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Have to leave now.

Thanks Viv.

If you google the name Durao Barroso there is a link to contact him by emai.

I've already done my part in this sad story. I have already emailed him.

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/president/index_en.htm

See you all 2morrow.

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Been googeling away very intresting. The McCann files have intresting information like the bit you just posted...

When a parent puts themselves before the truth or the saftey of a child something is seriously wrong...

I still cling to the hope that Karen was not involved in Shannons abduction but it is not looking good. What will all the children make of what has happend to their Mum and Sister. I hope what ever happends all the children can remain together siblings should not be seperated.

One of my Heros is Bob Geldof Live Aid was a big part of my teenage years we all talked about it and Ran the World bought the single watched the concert all day... When Paul Yates died and he took in Tigerlily to live with him an her Sisters after their Mother Died was the most loving thing he could have done for them all keeping them all together even though she had left him for the little girls father.

I dont often buy Hello or such like but a few years ago I bought it when they had gone on Safari the pictures were amazing and all the children looked so happy...

I dont know how these young ladies will grow in the future Peaches and Pixie certainly have their Mothers attitude (hope they dont follow her down the drug route) but all 4 girls have a fantastic Man that they can rely on and that is all a family is a group of people who love each other and will be selfless when the need arises...

Margarida Cruz e Silva said...

Viv,Lux

if this is a tribute to Viv it is a great one.

Bye bye!

ta ra said...

Thank you, Marga. I've done the same on this side of the Channel.

LUX,
My Portuguese is non-existent, sadly, apart from boa noite, taught to me by Claudia, Alsabella and Athena.

Hopefull, someone can transcribe your post. Am sure it will be lovely.

See you next time, compadre. No surrender!
xo
leigh

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

How very dare you? It is funny isn't it that feigned outrage in the face of the blatantly obvious.

I do wonder if Clarence Mitchell just sees this all as some sick joke, no matter how absurd his utterances, he has an eye on the increasing bank balance.

For a long time now with every new utterance from his the defence of Kate and Gerry in his hands seems to descend ever deeper into the most ridiculous farce I have ever seen, including fictional items, actually meant to be funny. For me the announcement re the phones and watches really was the last straw. Surely he has got to be joking?

On the other side of the fence we have the police seriously pursuing serious issues and with serious witnesses for the prosecution and serious questions for blatant liars. They do not stand a chance with their comedy of errors.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE X

ta ra said...

Hi Hope.

Sadly, very little money or benefits arrived in Africa following the Live Aid concert. However, it did make white people feel very good.

'Sir' Bob Geldof has done very well out of his enterprises. Pixie and Peaches have a lot to say for themselves, I'm happy to see. I hope they rise above their 'opulent neglect'.

Shannon's mother knew full well what she was doing, every step of the way. So did her family, and friends.

God bless Shannon, Pixie and Peaches. I hope they all rise above their parents' problems.

Pity Madeleine Beth McCann - who was made a registered trademark by her family - continues to profit adults, and I see no chance of her rising above their problems. She'll be useful to them, though. Pity.

ta ra said...

Hiya Viv,

Yup: a comedy of errors. Clarence the clown is a laughing stock among many people. His clients have no 'good name' to protect now, due to their own words and actions, aided and abetted by Clarence, and his dim witted power brokers in Government, and the media.

However, not everyone buys their story. We can see that by the public response, and the media response.

The 21st century world weird web is proving to be more difficult to control than 20th Century apparatchiks thought :-)

Excellent. I trust the public, and their true servants. No surrender, however long this takes.

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Opulant neglect I guess that sums things up they are certainly feisty but I do wonder how much of it is for the papers?

As for Band Aid it changed the way I viewed the world until that point I knew very little about Third World Countries and it did open my eyes to how selfish I was being when I complained about a bad hair day...

People are still starving though...

Children first x

hope4truth said...

Hello Viv

I hope you had a good day?

I have been researching 'Editorial Intelligence' tonight there is a lot about it on the web...

When did anyone need to spin when a child is missing it is crazy...

Anyhow I am off to bed see you tomorrow xxx

hope4truth said...

Night Leigh x

ta ra said...

Night night Hope,

We agree: children first x.
leigh

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Maybe Children First can be the new logo for the country and really start some investment in children let parets and teachers keep control and teach some respect and the country will become a much nicer place x

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Throughout his literary career Shakespeare was always fascinated by insanity and human depravity. Whilst on the fact of it Comedy of Errors was intended to be entertainment as Wikipedia put it there are very serious issue including how people actually are and wish to be perceived (which may be completely divorced from the reality) dealt with in this play:
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Although the primary goal of The Comedy of Errors is entertainment, an astute reader or director can also find deeper themes within it; appearance versus reality, time, coincidence and love are some of the themes found within the literary work. The play is also concerned with questions of identity and how a person may become known by others through appearance, by name, or through individual actions and choices.
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We have come to know Kate and Gerry McCanns through their invididual actions and choices. Like it or not, they must live with that.

lux_et_veritas_floreant said...

Leigh

I think we have a few Portuguese-English tutors and one would translate it.
I must go now. Your posts are always intelligent and make me smile also. Thanks!

Good night to all.

Ana said...

Hello again,

One thing that i didn’t knew and don’t know if any of you had, but is relevant.

http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/
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PJ in the United Kingdom to confront witnesses with new indices

"Following the letters rogatory sent by the Portuguese authorities, Paulo Rebelo, in charge of the investigation, claiming clarify several gaps and inconsistencies revealed by the initial interrogation of the group, but also confront them with the new indices, with a particular interest in an exchange of clothes during the dinner at Tapas Bar, the restaurant within the Ocean Club."

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

There is no need to spin and creat a false perception of reality when a child is missing, that is a reality that no amount of alternative reality can change.

~Sadly for little Madeleine

Nite Nite
Viv xx

Unknown said...

Hiya Ana

That contains a vital piece of detail as to results of further investigations since September that will be put to them. We know that Dr Rebelo conducted a root and branch review looking for new areas to address.

It has been previously reported that Dr O'Brien had changed his clothing when he re-appeared at about 10.15. My own thoughts are that he removed Madeleine's body and initially it was buried in the beach area. The dogs picked up a scent trail and Gerry McCann was seen with another that night as the above article confirms with another in the area of the Church ..clearly another possibility but the dogs would have obviously got confused by cadaver scent in that area. In those circumstances it is not difficult to imagine he may have soiled his clothes and wanted to remove incriminating evidence by washing them etc. maybe they were hidden..

Also I still cannot get over the fact that Jane Tanner initially seemed to be giving a pretty good description of Gerry McCann. Originally she said short dark hair 5 :8 to 5 :10, late thirties. crucially also wearing a dark jacket and light beige trousers. We have seen Gerry McCann in that outfit sitting on a sofa giving an interview. Could it be that he removed the body and they realised someone had seen him, so Jane had to give a description of someone of similar appearance to him. In the later stages of course she had changed her mind, a number of times, and clearly terrified of the prison she would do by joining the conspiracy to frame Murat; when she appeared on Panorama was at pains to point out he did not look like him, quite different to what she said in the early stages when she even changed her story to say he walked in the direction of Murat's villa..The Police will undo this lady tomorrow, I can guarantee it! and the whole charade will be undone..

~Viv x

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Joe said...

I saw that about the change of clothes on 3A site also SOS Madeline.What's the possible significance if its OBrien as he claimed his child was sick?

Unknown said...

Hiya Joe

OB claimed the child was sick and the sheets had to be changed. Martin Warner, as ever pointing ou the truth from the lies, confirmed no change of sheets was requested.

In other words it was just another of their lies!

Viv x

ta ra said...

Merci, Lux, et vous. Bon soir.

Hope: 'Children First'. Fab idea. Here's hoping.

Ana: yes. As far as I know, the police inquiry is more interested in movements rather than timelines at this point of the investigation. Ta for the info.

VIV: A 'Comedy of Errors', it is then. I agree.

Lovely pix of your big kids, by the way. They have every reason to be proud of their dear Ma, and clearly, you are proud and delighted with them. Lovely.
xo
leigh

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Yes of course I am proud of my grown up children and how much fun they obviously had.

Nice to know also that whilst we consider the serious issue of what happened to little Madeleine, they spend countless hours playing armchair detectives in their analysis of me and anything remotely appertaining thereto, that they can use to threaten or criticise. I see she carts it back to the House of Paranoid Conspiracy Theories about ~Viv and ~Co. Quite flattering really that a little bunch of nutters finds me so interesting, Shakespeare would have probably found them fascinating too!

dylan said...

Oh dear! I seem to have missed all of the discussion, as usual.

Well, off to bed. Sorry to have missed you Hope & if i don't "see" you before you go, I hope you have a lovely holiday and that you gain all that you want from it. Just come back and tell us all about it. Best wishes to you, you are a lovely person who deserves a fantastic break.

Viv - very disappointed about Shannon's mum & the good part of me really hopes it isn't true as I don't like to have to face the reality that some people in this world could do such a thing. Especially using a child for gain.
The bad part of me hopes that this is the worst a another human being could be capable of & I tend towards thinking that even my bad side might have it half right!

Sleep well,

Dyl xx

Joe said...

Viv,

I remember that now he claimed thats why he was late for the meal.

Unknown said...

Hiya Dillie

Yes I am still hoping that little Shannon and her mom got surrounded by a group of people with no good intentions on their mind.

I think the jury is still out on that one. Perverting the course of justice can mean so many things..did she try to cover for perverted Craig?

Luv Viv x

Unknown said...

Hiya Joe

The weird thing is that Kate apparently raised the alarm around 10.05 and he did not return until 10.15 by which time everyone had gone from the table, so he missed the meal altogether and according to Jane she was hardly ever there either. Check at 9.15 she says and when Kate raised the alarm around 10 she was also in her apartment, so when did she get chance to sit and eat, bad dose of indigestion, or what!

ta ra said...

Night night, Viv, but this:-

The House of Ill Repute serves a very serious, cynical purpose, imo.

Yes, it draws in innocents seeking truth, but it exists to serve its master manipulators, and its mechanics will impose the 'party' line.

The flowery names are just a ruse.

Thank you for the site/sight, Viv. See you next time.
xo
leigh

Ana said...

Hiya Viv,

“It has been previously reported that Dr O'Brien had changed his clothing when he re-appeared at about 10.15. My own thoughts are that he removed Madeleine's body and initially it was buried in the beach área”

Maybe the police think just like you , and that´s why this detail, in particular, is so important to them. I think maybe this is the detail that can change all the events , not forgetting others witness ( the Smiths for instance), they claim to have seen someone near the church in that evening …could it be O´brien ?And then he changed the clothes?And why? Because of his sick daughter? Well,don´t think so and P.J.maybe, think the same ...

Unknown said...

Hiya Ana

Yes I think the Police do think just like me, unraveling the lies of the TAPAS crew unravels exactly what happened that night. No one should underestimate just how crucial this is.

The Smiths, if their evidence is accurate they were certainly not describing O'Brien, he is way over 6' tall, they must have been describing Gerry McCann IMO. I think it is important here that when he returned to the table at 9.30 he was anxious to provide an alibi for himself being present by calling that instructor over to the table. This is very important IMO, this man is calculating and thinks he is clever.

Joe said...

Viv,

If it was GM that the Smith's saw carrying a child where does O Brien come in to it then?

Unknown said...

HIya Joe

I would like to stress this is just a theory, but maybe it takes two..one to carry the body and one to be digging the hole and they were exchanging fourteen texts co-ordinating that effort.

There were some reports, including from the Paynes I think, McCanns did not even arrive until just before 9 and yet at 9.05 Gerry is supposedly checking the children, that does not make sense and how did he know it was 9.05 given what stupid Clarence has just said!

Joe said...

Viv, if its true it is one of the most callous and revolting things I have heard and if others in the party were involved it does not say much for human nature.

Ana said...

They think , that the police will believe that no one of them used watches? Oh Please !!!
The police have the text messages, i think that were 14 in total Viv,but not sure ...
And if that is true , why didn´t they had told that to the police in the very begining?
According to Clarence the witnesses will not change the history of the events , i believe it when i saw that ..

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ta ra said...

Perhaps the Payne's mother/mother-in-law Mrs Webster may yet explain the mystery of the odd number Tapas9?

PDL witnesses have spoken of a missing 'uncle'; someone who had angry words with the Tapas group, and left quickly on the night when the McCanns said Maddie was 'taken'.

Mrs Webster remained at the Tapas table when others busied themselves following Kate's claim: 'They've taken her.'

ta ra said...

Hi and bye, Chinadoll.

I think the questioning of Mrs Webster will be most interesting.

See you next time.
leigh

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Good point, darling, I do think Diane Webster is a thorn in the side for the TAPAS and if there really was another who reacted in fury and left that would explosive, but why would he keep quiet, or has he? I tend to verge on thinking there is no such man but would really love to be proved wrong!

Diane Webster remaining at the table, e.g. clearly knowing it was a scam is utterly damning. Middle aged lady, come on lady use your common sense..the thing is how much was she privy to? ~Enough! judging her her response, which in the situation of a child genuinely going missing in unreal.

Viv x

chinadoll said...

Hi and Bye Leigh,

I hope Viv does not delete my post saying hello and goodbye to you.

I don't think she likes me very much - don't know why lol

Take Care and if Athena posts here, please pass on my kindest regards.

ta ra said...

I agree, Viv re: Mrs Webster's response is very interesting, under the circumstances.

However, what were the circumstances? How is it that two insignificant doctors could rally the UK Government who used OUR diplomats in Portugal, and launch a global media campaign within weeks of Madeleine's 'disappearance'?

The answer is staring us in the face, but smoke and mirrors are obscuring people's vision, imo.

There's no mystery to this bizarre case. It's obvious, but power brokers do enjoy 'playing the game' of misinformation, imo, and proving to themselves that they can get away with anything.

ta ra said...

Goodnight Chinadoll.
If I see Athena, I will pass on your kindest regards.
Boa noite!
leigh

P.S. Please don't be upset by my opinion on this story. No offence intended. Only time will tell what's true, I guess. We'll see...

Unknown said...

Oh Hi Chinadoll

and nice to see you being polite for a change.

Have you heard that expression:

"ever been had"?

After all you know I love Docmac to bits, always have done, always will do and we both have a wicked sense of humour. Happy Blogging xxxxxxxx

chinadoll said...

Leigh,

Of course I am not offended by your view, any more than you are about mine. I treat as I find and treat those that give respect, with respect.

When I read posters pontificating about theories and all the gory details they invisage in their head, that is when I find myself on a different, not so nice level.

This is such an emotive subject.

Such a beautiful little girl - by that I do not mean less beautiful than the average little girl, I simply mean that she epitomises female vulnerability. We are all little girls really and none of us wish to be put at risk. No wonder there are such vitriolic views.

We must be patient at this point in time. For those that have faith and admiration for the pj, I would say - wait and see.

The truth will out - and very very soon.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

If the McCanns think they are getting away with anything, good luck to them, I say. I would not wish to exchange my life for theirs, would you?

What a life to look forward to eh!

Viv x

Granny smith said...

That has to be the best article I have ever read regarding the McCanns short comings, you have perfectly and easily put it in to words. I salute you.

Ana said...

Hiya Viv,

I heard now on TV (sic noticias) , 3 questions that are supposed to be made late to JT(according to Correio da Manhã paper) :

1-Are you sure you saw a man carrying Madeleine in the night off the 3rd
2-Do you maintain the robot picture of the supposed abductor?(which one, i ask...)
3-Where was your husband during the dinner?

The article isn’t online yet, but I will post the full article when it becomes available if I have the opportunity to do so.


What do you think will be the answers?

Need to sleep now.
Boa Noite Viv and all.

Beijinhos e abraços!


Ana xxxx

Unknown said...

Hiya Ana

Thanks very much for that and I hope you are able to post the full article.

I think they will focus very much on her second suggestion that he was walking in the direction of Murat's house and she will repeatedly be asked why did she change her mind and say that. Was she aware that at the same time Rachel, Fiona and her own partner were saying he was hanging around that night?

I think she will also be asked why did she take part in Panorama and can she explain why her partner refused to do so and was not mentioned at all during the whole programme. Why was she at such great pains in Panorama to insist actually he looked nothing like Murat?

Can she remember what Gerry was wearing that night, did he have light beige trousers on.

Did her partner change his clothes, why was that?

Does she have a special relationship with Kate and Gerry, can you explain..for how long..

So many, many questions, I believe..

Viv x

Unknown said...

Thanks Granny Smith

I agree they are very eloquent words, but not my own. I just post articles by others and then comment upon them, as do my posters which engenders a healhy and interesting debate I like to take care to post items already in the public domain!

Viv x

2345 said...

wizard,

CM's profession is the media and he's as aware of FSS information released by Leicester Police for public broadcast (BBC & Sky) as the rest of us.

His belief of McCanns innocence is either based on him failing to check the facts - highly unprofessional - or he's chosen to ignore them, making him party to perverting the course of justice via the media.

The Police did not choose to go knocking on McCanns door on 3 May -
they responded to a telephone call regarding a missing child.

Eddie & Keela confirmed the reason for Madeleine's disappearance last July; death was confirmed by FSS results release by our Police and wheel well results released by an increasingly frustrated PJ.

As many commentators have pointed out, had the damning forensics been linked to an abductor, no media fight to overthrow them would have ensued !!!

2345 said...

chinadoll,

The realities in this case are truly horrendous. FSS details released by Leicester Police and results of wheel well forensics from corpse material are abhorrent.

They nevertheless exist and they certainly didn't arrive by themselves.

PJ have been thwarted every step of the way, but for political intervention their intentions of arresting McCanns seven months ago would have been implemented. (google) articles confirm they had enough evidence to do so.

Prosecutor ruled continuance after PJ's visit in November and for two months of gruelling interviews in early March for Court purposes. This procedure was also halted.

PJ have been used, abused and ridiculted. Intervention in this case has been extremely damaging to the expertize and reputations of many others in Britain. It's an absolute disgrace - corruption at the highest level.

Anonymous said...

Of course they will go to Portugal.
Just wait and see.

Forti Nihil Difficilius
:)

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