See where you are coming from Gerry with the aggressive er strategy..If I was doing a risk assessment on him, yes I would say high! in fact very high but there again we must keep an open mind and listen to Clarence..Bloody hell I would not like to bump into him when he has got a few drinks down him! I bet he does not even like me x He likes himself though..Hi All
I found this timeline really helpful in reminding me of all the aggressive demands, all the extraordinary claims, all the renewed vigour whenever moves were being made against them. To see it all in one place, really does place the McCann "campaign" into perspective. Truly, Gerry, no stone has been left unturned... I wonder why you dropped that mantra? Seems to get dropped with all your blog posts when the new webpage came along, somethings are best quietly dropped I guess, not Metodo 3 though, strange that. Oh well at least they got a big paycut, I hear they are now getting just £8,000, minus the other £50,000, I wonder if that annoyed them..
If anyone wants to read some real Gerrymandering check out the Daily Mail, they seem to think Mr Ribeiro was here not Mr Rebelo and that he rushed home in a rage, ho humx
Madeleine McCann timeline: The case so far
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MAY 3 2007 Madeleine disappeared from the family apartment in Praia da Luz. Kate McCann raised the alarm at 10pm.
MAY 4 Sniffer dogs were brought in, the Spanish and border police and airports notified and volunteer teams combed the village, resort and beach for clues. The McCanns spoke publicly for the first time, directly appealing to their daughter's abductors and speaking of their "anguish and despair".
MAY 5 Detectives said they believed Madeleine was abducted and said they had a sketch of a potential suspect.
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MAY 10 Police admitted the ground search for Madeleine was being wound down. Around 350 potential leads - including sketches of potential suspects - had been followed up and produced no breakthrough.
MAY 12 Madeleine's fourth birthday. Mr and Mrs McCann attended a special birthday mass in the village where they said they were convinced Madeleine was alive. Celebrities including JK Rowling and Sir Phillip Green donated towards a £2.5 million reward being offered for Madeleine's safe return. Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, expressed his sympathy for the parents and later talks to them offering to do "anything he can to help".
MAY 14 In the first major development, police launched a search at the home of Anglo-Portuguese man Robert Murat, just 100 yards from where Madeleine disappeared. Mr Murat was taken in for questioning and made an "arguido" or formal suspect, the next day. He said he was being made a "scapegoat" in the investigation.
MAY 16 Detectives swooped on home of Russian computer expert Sergey Malinka, who designed a website for Mr Murat, and interviewed him as a witness.
MAY 17 An official website and fund was launched. The website had more than 125 million hits within a week and the fund has now raised £1 million.
MAY 25 In their first interview, the McCanns told of how the "guilt" of not being with Madeleine when she was abducted would never leave them. Police finally released the description a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine's abduction near their apartment at the time she disappeared. It had been known since the night itself but was only issued after pressure from the McCanns, their legal team and the British Government.
MAY 30 Mr and Mrs McCann launched the start of a campaign to raise awareness of Madeleine's plight by attending an audience with the Pope at the Vatican. They went on to give press conferences and meet officials in Germany, Morocco, the Netherlands, Spain and the United States.
MAY 31 In a sign of increasing desperation, police said they were trawling through two dossiers of emails and messages from clairvoyants who said they knew where Madeleine was. They said they were trying to find out if any of the messages could be from her kidnapper.
JUNE 6 On a trip to Berlin, the parents were shocked when asked for the first time in public if they had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. They denied any involvement.
JUNE 13 An anonymous tip-off suggested that Madeleine's body was buried in deserted scrubland nine miles from where she was went missing. Police found nothing and the parents were "very upset" at the claims she was dead.
JUNE 17 Portuguese police forensic results revealed nothing of significance. Detectives said Madeleine's friends and family may have unwittingly destroyed vital evidence in the first few hours after her abduction, during their search for her. Spokesman Olegario Sousa says their well-meaning actions could prove "fatal" for the investigation.
JUNE 21 The first of a series of reported sightings of a girl resembling Madeleine are reported in Malta. Other alleged sightings were reported in Morocco, Spain, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and even as far away as Argentina and Guatemala.
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MAY 3 2007 Madeleine disappeared from the family apartment in Praia da Luz. Kate McCann raised the alarm at 10pm.
MAY 4 Sniffer dogs were brought in, the Spanish and border police and airports notified and volunteer teams combed the village, resort and beach for clues. The McCanns spoke publicly for the first time, directly appealing to their daughter's abductors and speaking of their "anguish and despair".
MAY 5 Detectives said they believed Madeleine was abducted and said they had a sketch of a potential suspect.
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MAY 10 Police admitted the ground search for Madeleine was being wound down. Around 350 potential leads - including sketches of potential suspects - had been followed up and produced no breakthrough.
MAY 12 Madeleine's fourth birthday. Mr and Mrs McCann attended a special birthday mass in the village where they said they were convinced Madeleine was alive. Celebrities including JK Rowling and Sir Phillip Green donated towards a £2.5 million reward being offered for Madeleine's safe return. Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, expressed his sympathy for the parents and later talks to them offering to do "anything he can to help".
MAY 14 In the first major development, police launched a search at the home of Anglo-Portuguese man Robert Murat, just 100 yards from where Madeleine disappeared. Mr Murat was taken in for questioning and made an "arguido" or formal suspect, the next day. He said he was being made a "scapegoat" in the investigation.
MAY 16 Detectives swooped on home of Russian computer expert Sergey Malinka, who designed a website for Mr Murat, and interviewed him as a witness.
MAY 17 An official website and fund was launched. The website had more than 125 million hits within a week and the fund has now raised £1 million.
MAY 25 In their first interview, the McCanns told of how the "guilt" of not being with Madeleine when she was abducted would never leave them. Police finally released the description a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine's abduction near their apartment at the time she disappeared. It had been known since the night itself but was only issued after pressure from the McCanns, their legal team and the British Government.
MAY 30 Mr and Mrs McCann launched the start of a campaign to raise awareness of Madeleine's plight by attending an audience with the Pope at the Vatican. They went on to give press conferences and meet officials in Germany, Morocco, the Netherlands, Spain and the United States.
MAY 31 In a sign of increasing desperation, police said they were trawling through two dossiers of emails and messages from clairvoyants who said they knew where Madeleine was. They said they were trying to find out if any of the messages could be from her kidnapper.
JUNE 6 On a trip to Berlin, the parents were shocked when asked for the first time in public if they had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. They denied any involvement.
JUNE 13 An anonymous tip-off suggested that Madeleine's body was buried in deserted scrubland nine miles from where she was went missing. Police found nothing and the parents were "very upset" at the claims she was dead.
JUNE 17 Portuguese police forensic results revealed nothing of significance. Detectives said Madeleine's friends and family may have unwittingly destroyed vital evidence in the first few hours after her abduction, during their search for her. Spokesman Olegario Sousa says their well-meaning actions could prove "fatal" for the investigation.
JUNE 21 The first of a series of reported sightings of a girl resembling Madeleine are reported in Malta. Other alleged sightings were reported in Morocco, Spain, France, Switzerland, Belgium, and even as far away as Argentina and Guatemala.
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JULY 10 Mr Murat returned to the police station in Portimao for further questioning. He went back the next day for a "confrontation" with three friends of the McCanns - Russell O Brien, Rachael Oldfield and Fiona Payne - who claimed they saw him at the scene helping with searches on the night Madeleine disappeared. Around this time police picked up a new lead and shifted the investigation towards the belief that Madeleine was dead. They focused again on the apartment, which had been rented out again to holidaying couples, and called in specialist British sniffer dogs which could detect tiny traces of blood and human remains.
AUGUST 3 The sniffer dogs started new searches at the apartment, at Mr Murat's house and of surrounding areas. They also searched nine cars, some belonging to Mr Murat, and the hire car of the McCanns. Later it was reported that small traces of blood were amongst dozens of samples being sent to Britain for examination.
AUGUST 8 The Portuguese press started accusing the McCanns and their friends. A family spokesperson said they were disgusted at an apparent smear campaign against them. The couple were frustrated that police had started to take a more formal tone with them, and feared the investigation had gone back to "square one".
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AUGUST 11 The 100th day since Madeleine disappeared. The McCanns attended a poignant service of prayers for Madeleine at a church in Praia da Luz. Without telling the parents, Portuguese police acknowledged publicly for the first time that Madeleine could be dead. Mr Sousa said the parents were not being considered as suspects. His comments were echoed later by Portugal's top detective, Alipio Ribeiro.
AUGUST 21 Detectives leading the investigation admitted off the record their main theory was now that Madeleine died by accident. They said the apartment had "all the answers" to the case and that all leads on it being a possible kidnap had been exhausted.
AUGUST 24 In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Mr McCann attacked a series of police leaks which have fuelled "preposterous" speculation about what happened to his daughter. He said the couple were considering returning home and he was thinking about returning to work. He reacted with amazement and fury to a newspaper report claiming "the parents killed Madeleine" and the couple later launched a libel action.
AUGUST 29 Mr McCann made the first direct appeal to the abductors since the first week, urging them to end the nightmare.
SEPT 1 Portuguese police received "significant" results of forensics tests carried out in Britain. Sources said a key piece of DNA had been found in an "area where it should not have been." Mr McCann was called two days later and told he and his wife would be required for further questioning. SEPT 6 Mrs McCann was questioned for more than 11 hours by Portuguese police.
SEPT 7 Mrs McCann returned and was given "arguida" status as she was asked 22 key questions by police. Mr McCann arrived at 2pm to be questioned separately. He was officially made "arguido" status about 12 hours after his wife.
SEPT 9 The McCanns fly back to England with their two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.
SEPT 11 Portuguese police hand the papers in the case to the public prosecutor, Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, for him to decide whether to bring charges against anyone. OCT 2 Goncalo Amaral, the detective in charge of the inquiry, is removed from the case after criticising the British police in a Portuguese newspaper interview.
OCT 9 The case is taken over by Paulo Rebelo, a senior detective with Portugal's investigative Policia Judiciaria who is normally based in Lisbon.
OCT 25 The McCanns release a new artist's impression drawn by an FBI-trained expert showing the man described by Jane Tanner.
NOV 1 Gerry McCann returns to work as a consultant cardiologist at Leicester's Glenfield Hospital.
NOV 19 A BBC Panorama documentary screens a video of Gerry McCann speaking of his belief that a "predator" was watching his family in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. In the same programme Mr Murat's mother, Jenny Murat, accuses three of the McCanns' friends of lying about seeing her son on the night of May 3.
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JULY 10 Mr Murat returned to the police station in Portimao for further questioning. He went back the next day for a "confrontation" with three friends of the McCanns - Russell O Brien, Rachael Oldfield and Fiona Payne - who claimed they saw him at the scene helping with searches on the night Madeleine disappeared. Around this time police picked up a new lead and shifted the investigation towards the belief that Madeleine was dead. They focused again on the apartment, which had been rented out again to holidaying couples, and called in specialist British sniffer dogs which could detect tiny traces of blood and human remains.
AUGUST 3 The sniffer dogs started new searches at the apartment, at Mr Murat's house and of surrounding areas. They also searched nine cars, some belonging to Mr Murat, and the hire car of the McCanns. Later it was reported that small traces of blood were amongst dozens of samples being sent to Britain for examination.
AUGUST 8 The Portuguese press started accusing the McCanns and their friends. A family spokesperson said they were disgusted at an apparent smear campaign against them. The couple were frustrated that police had started to take a more formal tone with them, and feared the investigation had gone back to "square one".
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AUGUST 11 The 100th day since Madeleine disappeared. The McCanns attended a poignant service of prayers for Madeleine at a church in Praia da Luz. Without telling the parents, Portuguese police acknowledged publicly for the first time that Madeleine could be dead. Mr Sousa said the parents were not being considered as suspects. His comments were echoed later by Portugal's top detective, Alipio Ribeiro.
AUGUST 21 Detectives leading the investigation admitted off the record their main theory was now that Madeleine died by accident. They said the apartment had "all the answers" to the case and that all leads on it being a possible kidnap had been exhausted.
AUGUST 24 In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Mr McCann attacked a series of police leaks which have fuelled "preposterous" speculation about what happened to his daughter. He said the couple were considering returning home and he was thinking about returning to work. He reacted with amazement and fury to a newspaper report claiming "the parents killed Madeleine" and the couple later launched a libel action.
AUGUST 29 Mr McCann made the first direct appeal to the abductors since the first week, urging them to end the nightmare.
SEPT 1 Portuguese police received "significant" results of forensics tests carried out in Britain. Sources said a key piece of DNA had been found in an "area where it should not have been." Mr McCann was called two days later and told he and his wife would be required for further questioning. SEPT 6 Mrs McCann was questioned for more than 11 hours by Portuguese police.
SEPT 7 Mrs McCann returned and was given "arguida" status as she was asked 22 key questions by police. Mr McCann arrived at 2pm to be questioned separately. He was officially made "arguido" status about 12 hours after his wife.
SEPT 9 The McCanns fly back to England with their two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.
SEPT 11 Portuguese police hand the papers in the case to the public prosecutor, Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, for him to decide whether to bring charges against anyone. OCT 2 Goncalo Amaral, the detective in charge of the inquiry, is removed from the case after criticising the British police in a Portuguese newspaper interview.
OCT 9 The case is taken over by Paulo Rebelo, a senior detective with Portugal's investigative Policia Judiciaria who is normally based in Lisbon.
OCT 25 The McCanns release a new artist's impression drawn by an FBI-trained expert showing the man described by Jane Tanner.
NOV 1 Gerry McCann returns to work as a consultant cardiologist at Leicester's Glenfield Hospital.
NOV 19 A BBC Panorama documentary screens a video of Gerry McCann speaking of his belief that a "predator" was watching his family in the days before Madeleine's disappearance. In the same programme Mr Murat's mother, Jenny Murat, accuses three of the McCanns' friends of lying about seeing her son on the night of May 3.
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NOV 22 Portugal's attorney general, Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, says the huge publicity surrounding Madeleine's disappearance could have resulted in her kidnapper killing her.
NOV 29 Forensic experts from the UK and Portugal meet at Leicestershire Police headquarters to discuss DNA samples collected during the inquiry.
DEC 13 Francisco Marco, the director general of Metodo 3, a private detective agency being paid by the McCanns, claims he knows who took Madeleine and that he could have her back with her family before Christmas.
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DEC 22 Mr and Mrs McCann send a public message to their daughter, telling her: "Our only Christmas wish is for you to be back with us again."
JAN 9 2008 Mr McCann plays down speculation they may approve a movie about Madeleine's disappearance after their spokesman meets the IMG agency, the firm behind the award-winning drama-documentary Touching The Void.
JAN 20 The McCanns release police artist sketches, based on a statement given by a British holidaymaker, of a man they believe may have abducted Madeleine.
FEB 4 Portugal's top detective, Alipio Ribeiro, says in a radio interview that police were "hasty" in making Madeleine's parents suspects in her disappearance.
FEB 13 Portuguese justice minister Alberto Costa says the police investigation into the young girl's disappearance is nearing its end.
MARCH 19 Mr and Mrs McCann accept £550,000 libel damages and front-page apologies from Express Newspapers over allegations they were responsible for Madeleine's death.
MARCH 26 Kate and Gerry McCann urge Portuguese police to investigate the movements of a suspected Spanish paedophile on the day their daughter vanished. The 52-year-old man was arrested on on suspicion of killing another five-year-old girl.
APRIL 7 Portuguese police arrive in Britain to observe as the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann are interviewed about the night Madeleine went missing.
APRIL 8 Gerry and Kate McCann are asked to return to Portugal to take part in a large-scale re-enactment of the hours surrounding Madeleine's disappearance. They say they will consider the proposal
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NOV 22 Portugal's attorney general, Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, says the huge publicity surrounding Madeleine's disappearance could have resulted in her kidnapper killing her.
NOV 29 Forensic experts from the UK and Portugal meet at Leicestershire Police headquarters to discuss DNA samples collected during the inquiry.
DEC 13 Francisco Marco, the director general of Metodo 3, a private detective agency being paid by the McCanns, claims he knows who took Madeleine and that he could have her back with her family before Christmas.
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DEC 22 Mr and Mrs McCann send a public message to their daughter, telling her: "Our only Christmas wish is for you to be back with us again."
JAN 9 2008 Mr McCann plays down speculation they may approve a movie about Madeleine's disappearance after their spokesman meets the IMG agency, the firm behind the award-winning drama-documentary Touching The Void.
JAN 20 The McCanns release police artist sketches, based on a statement given by a British holidaymaker, of a man they believe may have abducted Madeleine.
FEB 4 Portugal's top detective, Alipio Ribeiro, says in a radio interview that police were "hasty" in making Madeleine's parents suspects in her disappearance.
FEB 13 Portuguese justice minister Alberto Costa says the police investigation into the young girl's disappearance is nearing its end.
MARCH 19 Mr and Mrs McCann accept £550,000 libel damages and front-page apologies from Express Newspapers over allegations they were responsible for Madeleine's death.
MARCH 26 Kate and Gerry McCann urge Portuguese police to investigate the movements of a suspected Spanish paedophile on the day their daughter vanished. The 52-year-old man was arrested on on suspicion of killing another five-year-old girl.
APRIL 7 Portuguese police arrive in Britain to observe as the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann are interviewed about the night Madeleine went missing.
APRIL 8 Gerry and Kate McCann are asked to return to Portugal to take part in a large-scale re-enactment of the hours surrounding Madeleine's disappearance. They say they will consider the proposal
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 368 of 368Bianca is a plant. She is a triple blogger and her third blog of order, is definitely not her new blog.
Shall I give them a clue Bianca?
Blue is the colour, but red is not for you, see it there yellow, but quick it's changing hue.
Chameleon Bianca, naughty, naughty!
Now you understand don't you? I wonder if 2345 will.
Sunday, 13 April 2008 18:40:00 o'clock BST - [quoting Viv_is_Mad]
Yes, give them a "clue", because then we'll ALL know!!
Honestly, this is silly.
I can understand people getting suspicious of others over the internet - I do all the time. But at the end of the day, I am just Bianca. Sorry if that is mundane or boring, I know a "multiple identity" can seem intriguing, but honestly - I'm only me!
Maybe some of my views have matured or altered slightly since I first started posting on this subject - who knows - but it doesn't mean I'm a "turn-coat" or not who I previously said I was, just that I am thinking through the issues in a variety of different ways. I mean, this case has been in the media for almost a year now! How are you supposed to never question anything, or just spit out the same views over and over again??
Anyway for what it's worth, you write quite nice prose: "Blue is the colour, but red is not for you, see it there yellow, but quick it's changing hue." I don't suppose you could tell us what on earth it means though??
P.S. But want to state FIRMLY that I will NEVER change my stance on the child neglect issue, or child neglect issues in general. EVER!
Bianca,
I think Gordon Brown and other high profile figures just saw what they thought was a popular bandwagon they could jump on to get votes and free publicity.
Now it has dawned on them that perhaps things are not all they seem I think they want to delay the case as much as possible so people forget what cynical idiots they were to be taken in so easily.
Doppleganger,
People in general hate to be ignored,and I suggest that's what should be done.I would not give them any satisfaction.It is obviously trying to disrupt debate,and offers nothing towards it.
xx D
Ultraviolet,
She could put her name, address and telephone number here if she wanted because we are all sane, reasonable people and none of us is in the slightest bit interested in her or anything she has to say either.
If she wants to neglect her own kids that is her business, when she is old they will repay her in kind.
Karma.
bianca, here is a case that you might find interesting.
traffic police spotted a car driven along one of our main highways, but it appeared to have no driver - there was no-one at the wheel. they stopped the car, and found the driver to be a 12 year old boy.
bad enough. but his father was in the pasenger seat beside him, his mother and two small sisters in back.
the father had lost his licence two years ago, for major traffic violations, and the family wanted to go to a restaurant for lunch.
what do you think happened to the father?
Assassin.
Draw a line, and don't overstep it. Innocents on one side. Cynics on the other.
'There are players, and gentlemen.'
Both are treated, accordingly. Abusing people who dare to disagree with you puts you in the Goebbels camp.
I bat for the other side, by the way. The 'lower brain cells' you speak of belong in the cynics' camp. Tapas6? Mind how you go.
Viv,
It amuses me greatly that some people see Viv not being here 24 hrs a day as some sort of weakness or character defect.
The fact is Viv, like the rest of the regular posters here actually have a life and do not live off benefits so have to go out occasionally to earn an honest living or spend time with their families.
I think Gordon Brown and other high profile figures just saw what they thought was a popular bandwagon they could jump on to get votes and free publicity.
Now it has dawned on them that perhaps things are not all they seem I think they want to delay the case as much as possible so people forget what cynical idiots they were to be taken in so easily.
Sunday, 13 April 2008 19:11:00 o'clock BST [Doppelganger]
Actually, this sounds more plausible to me than some deeply embedded conspiracy theory! Yes - makes sense.
assassin, i do not want to know, which of these posters is lorraine keen, or anyone else. i do not encourage you to commit a criminal offense. think of your children, if not yourself.
Good evening all!
I see the disruptors are still here fighting their "noble" fight. Btw Mad, I actually find you rather amusing. But then it fits my profile, which you so aptly managed to establish. "Ill mannered snob", I believe it was.
I suppose it's just sheer coincidence that the British academics I know all talk this IMO fabulous English. (You know the one of Michael Gambon, Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry to mention a few)
However, I of course take your word for the obvious fact that that's not the way it is in Britain nowadays. I've just been lucky enough to meet people who are easy to understand.
Oh, and Calcite is cheering for you on the other site. So by all means: don't give up!
Ultraviolet,
You got me - what happened??
Assassin.
Might be wise to follow 'mad cow' now, and exit gracefully. I know you can.
'The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.' Why? Because mothers rise above their own ego rewards.
See you next time. No hard feelings. This is what it is.
Dolores,
Its very difficult to ignore people with this illness because the more you ignore them the more angry they get.
It really is a dilema,
feed their illness or watch them eat themselves from inside?
The Samaritans actually used to have special telephone lines that people like this could ring so that they could release their anger and frustration without breaking the law by harassing members of the public.
Now we have the internet.
he is in jail, awaiting trial. in the meantime, he has to take a course on how to be a good citizen. he can expect jail time of 2 - 5 years, if found guilty.
Okay. That "totally" isn't the real Wizard!
LGC - Wizard
It sounds feasible that the children were all together that night - Kate said "We know what happened and it didn't happen because Madeleine was alone"!
Why have the tapas 7 kept a very low profile since Madeleine disappeared? Could it be because the children were all left in the same room and they are all equally culpable.
Ultraviolet,
She probably has no idea where her kids are or what they are doing
All she knows is the cheques keep dropping through the letter box every week
And she is a free spirit.
What the heck is going on? I thought I was imagining it but no way is that person wizard.
has anyone contacted Viv or Claudia?
Assassin,
If you weren't here nobody would be attacking anybody, we would be discussing the case.
You are here for your own peverse reasons, you are just too far gone to realise it, but everyone else here does.
There is some rather nasty spiritual pollution here tonight. Needs to be vanquished.
Should we spray them with bug spray? Or just flush them down the toilet?
Wizard,
All you need to do is create the same name but with a space at the beginning or the end for example.
It's not rocket science or they wouldn't be able to do it.
If one of us suddenly changes character then it's obvious something is up.
Things must be getting really desrerate for the McCann's, the monkeys are pulling out all the stops now.
I think this is actually a really encouraging sign.
We just need to stay focused and determined.
VIM,
Pushing your luck now.
I thought you said the McCann's Arguido status was going to be lifted next week, so why are you here now exactly?
BREAKING NEWS
The missing Swedish girl Engla, 10, has been found dead. The truck driver who was arrested in connection with her disappearance broke today and showed the police where to find her body. He has also admitted to a previously unsolved murder from 2000, on then31-year-old Pernilla.
I hope Engla's family and friends somehow will find the strength to get through this.
It's a sad sad day and some people here and on the other blog are behaving like complete idiots.
this is not nancy. i do not know what this person expects to achieve by cloning other posters, but it is neither clever nor amusing behavior. it is a childish and a stupid action.
Doppleganger,
This is only feeding their ego by all the attention its getting, and achieving it's goal of disrupting honest debate,the same thing happened on DE if you remember, and we all know who was responsible for that.
And you rightly said they are to cowardly and ashamed to admit who they are.Therefore they are fooling themselves.
I don't see any feelings for justice for Maddie coming from them, as I personally feel they have none.And they do not come over as sincere when leaving their messages for her either.
xx D
Nancy,
See I WAS right about you.
Another cover blown.
How many more of you are there?
Oh I forgot, you're all the same person.
oh no, poor engla! this is not the result we wanted to hear.
may g~d give her family strength and courage to cope with the days ahead. and to make His face shine upon her.
Swedish Mum,
This is pure horror! My prayers go out to her poor family! And as for her murderer, I hope he is given the bloody electric chair!
Alas,
It is time for me to confess. I'm actually married to Assassin.
I know Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent but I thought I'd get up her nose for kicking me out of the family home.
Time out...
The Daily Mirror and Daily Express forums were plagued by obscene words and images when the McCann Machine of media manipulators felt most threatened by honest inquiry, assisted by the honest public.
It's happening again. Hang on to your seats, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
I despise liars, like you madcow/rosiepops, madame of the house of ill repute, leading a girl gang to serve your master, whatever his wants/needs.
Count your pennies. You'll need them.
a child has just been found murdered. please try and show some respect!
Dolores,
Have you heard something about the digging at the church?
Nancy,
Err excuse me but the other day Assassin was boasting about using her 5 year old son to post repetitive harassing posts on here for hours on end.
She said it was ok because he can't read!!!!!
Well if you think that's ok then I think you are as deluded as she is.
And the reason I keep going on about it is because I seem far more concerned about her kids than she does and they arn't even my bloody kids.
All I would like her to do is stop coming here harassing people for hour after hour and spend some time with her 7 children.
If that makes me a vicious bastard then I am gulity as charged.
Dear Swedishmum.
Condolences for the girl's family. May I suggest that you leave now as this forum is about to be invaded by sick pornography.
See you again when sanity returns.
xo
leigh
Why should there be such high concern? We have never bothered about missing children before any of us have we? We only got interested when a pair of Dr's and a cute little blonde girl went missing.
No point of breaking a habit of a lifetime and caring about other children now is there?
Dolores, dear.
Murat will have an excellent defence. Avert your eyes now to what will happen next on this forum.
It's the same old story: McCann Machine of media manipulators will plague this place with obscenity.
Or are you going to take that as a warning that you're busted, Keith?
Leigh,
There's nothing that frustrates a shit-stirrer more than simply ignoring them.
I have to go soon, but I suggest you guys just go about your conversation oblivious to them until Viv or Claudia get back and the vermin are bug-sprayed.
Oh very clever Assassin,
That's supposed to wind me up is it, well all I can say to you is Ha, boody ha.
A small child has just been found dead and you are just dancing on their grave.
I can now post what I like and if anyone takes me to task I will say it was you.
Well done.
yes doppelganger, this may be true, and none of us bothered before. all the more reason that we should care now. all missing and abused children are of equal importance, whither they be swedish, spanish or british.
Dolores.
And they'll use the cynical trick of posting sick words, using other people's names.
See you next time.
leigh
Keith,
You are so perceptive, what can I say
You got me bang to rights
;-)
UV/Bianca/Leigh,
I'm actually quite upset even though I don't know the poor girl and her family. And it's getting even more upsetting when people behave like this, here and on the other blog.
Therefore I'll take your advice Leigh and leave for the moment.
And the ones on the other site are welcome to continue having a laugh at my expense.
I honestly don't care ...
Ultraviolet.
The McCann Machine of media manipulators are going to post obscene words and images using the trusted names you like and trust.
Come back when this is sorted out.
Please see my previous posts about what happened to the Daily Mirror and Daily Express forums.
xo
leigh
Just a tip for everyone
My Doppelganger starts with a CAPITAL D
the fake Doppelganger starts with a lower case d.
These people are complete and utter morons.
Guys, I am leaving too. Take care :-)
yes, i too am getting upset, and angry. these people have no morals or integrity at all. i will perhaps come back later.
Keith,
How do you feel talking to me then?
Swedish Mum,
This is so sad to hear about Enga,another innocent, taken by a festered mind.
God bless her and her parents,on this tragic news.
XX D
*IGNORE*
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE IGNORE
I just want it known that the posts made by Keith have nothing to do with the other blog and that noone thinks they are funny or appropriate in any way.
Doppel - we also don't know who Viv is Mad is, so don't start accusing Rosie. It only starts off nutters like Leigh3 for no reason.
Doppelganger.
The McCann Machine of media manipulators steal names; post obscene words, and images when they feel most threatened by honest inquiry.
KEITH is their whore. Like that one, Keith? Thought you would.
Leave now, doppelganger. The tarts, pimps and whores will do here what they did on the Daily Express and Daily Mirror.
For now. Only for now. 'He who laughs last, laughs best.'
Swedish Mum,
Things must be getting really desperate in the McCann camp, they are really pulling out all the stops now.
Please don't let them harass you into leaving for good. Millions of good people nave died fighting for freedom , the least we can do is take a bit of abuse.
Atardi,
I am still trying to find out more,maybe there is a blackout on the news for that.
XX D
IGNORE THEM GUYS. THIS IS THE INTERNET - MERE WORDS ON A SCREEN. IGNORE THEIR WORDS, AND THEY HAVE NO POWER.
La la la la la .. Ignore!
Doppelganger -
This is the real me - you will probably be able to tell by the use of words without four letter words;
I'm going off this site now - it's been invaded by Aids bugs by the look of it!
See all you sane ones tomorrow and I hope that Viv gets back soon and scrapes this filth from the forum!
I've never heard such foul language in my life frankly - you have to feel sorry for the poor lost souls!!
My prayers for the little girl's family - another family's life ruined!
God Bless everyone and Justice for Madeleine!
Doppelganger.
I agree 100%, but SM is in mourning tonight for a daughter of Sweden. No reason for her to witness the filth on here from manipulators who will abuse the decent sentiment for missing or murdered children.
Best wishes to you and yours. See you next time :-)
leigh
Wish everyone a great day .. afternoon .. evening .. whatever! LOL
Until next time guys,
Enjoy, smile, and fight the good fight.
P.S. My sincere condolences once again to the family of Engla, RIP.
Sassy,
I respect you for coming here and saying that. I always thought you were a reasonable person although other people accused me of trying to 'divide and conquer'
If you say that you have nothing to do with VIM then that is good enough for me.
As I said to you the other day, you are lucky that all the nutters are on your side of the argument, if we were actually as bad as you make us out to be, your blog wouldn't last 5 minutes.
One day when this is all over, you will think about a lot of what has happened and see things more clearly I think.
Your Word is good enough for me.
:-)
Swedishmum,
That's very sad about Engla.
Another innocent child, only 10 years old, killed by a monster.
It's a sad world we are living in.
Dear Leigh,
I am crying for the way they are behaving towards decent people who want justice for Maddie and all abused children,I am so sad for them that they have no heart or soul and that their minds are so depraved.
Father forgive them they know not what they do.
XX D
Doppel
The nutters certainly aren't on our side - but that's something we'll never agree on.
Keith doesn't appear to be on any side, for example.
We have also had abusive comments but one of us has been around all the time to get rid of them pdq.
Bye
Sassy,
My 'clone' starts with a small 'd'
I start with a capital 'D'
And as for having my own Blog, I care not one iota because 'I' do not actually even exist.
'I' am just a figment of people's own imaginations, if I am a monster then that is just a reflection of their own disturbed personalities, normal people just see me as, well - normal.
I think you actually see me as 'normal' by the way, but of course you cannot admit that.
:-)
Sass.
Nice try. Doesn't work. When your type use words like 'nutters' and your followers use similar words ... like Keith and others...you are seen for what you are: second rate media manipulators.
The public doesn't believe you. Check the stats. Boo hoo, Sass, cutesy, dim.
But hey: that' the view of a 'nutter', right cutest name?
Bluffing is for amateurs like you. Get Keith and madcow to change their names, and try again. Who knows: you might win next time.
I doubt it, though.
Doppleganger
Nancy was cloned,if you click on the 'nancy who had a mouth of filth there was no profile.The real Nancy has one .
This is when you will know who has been cloned.They want you to attack the innocent.
XX D
Sassy,
Assassin used to post on your blog for weeks and she IS on your side of the argument or you WOULD be in big trouble.
Nancy,
Perhaps you should ask yourself why one child is 'worth' so much more than all the others?
Thousands of children die every day but what do we care?
How can we feel responsible for all the suffering in the World, it is mot humanly possible.
Nature is beautiful, but it is a savage beauty, all we can do is be true to ourselves and just get through one day at a time until we turn to dust.
IMHO
Dolores,
It's just lower case letters and upper case letters.
Looks like Assassin has got all her kids posting tonight, wonder which ones the five year old?
Dear Dolores.
This is no place for your kind heart tonight. Avert your eyes for now. It will be sorted.
Luv,L
xo
Assassin,
Yes I did talk to you for one afternoon, that was how long it took me to realise you are insane.
If you weren't here now, nobody would even be posting because it has been a lovely sunny day and like Viv people have been out with their families.
Why do you see Viv not being here 24/7 as some kind of weakness or personality defect?
Other people do have lives you know.
7 kids might bring you plenty of free cash but it doesn't bring freedom does it, or you wouldn't be chained to your computer 24hrs a day would you?
Assassin,
You were going to do that anyway.
Alsabellas was constantly hounded on her blog and I never posted there.
And Viv was constantly being attacked and abused before I ever came here.
And it was you who dragged your kids into this, boasting about using them as keyboard monkeys.
We are all intelligent adults here and you are certainly not offending me with your bad language and filth.
You are just showing yourself up for what you really are.
If you have E-mails from me, put my E-mail address up then moron.
I could do with a laugh.
If Viv was here she would just delete your posts and I would delete my own.
Oh and I am actually flattered that you set up a blog in my name, I bet it gets more hits than your other website.
Where's my email address then?
Where's my E-mail address then?
Hi Viv,
Its been madness since you were away. The blog has been attacked by the low life Pros - they are getting desparate.
A very intersting comment on an article written in an Irish newspaper. The comment purports to be from Jeremy Wilkins, the alleged "Tapas 1"
Article:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/madeleine--one-year-on-will-the-truth-ever-come-out-1345667.html
Comment:
I don't think Gemma O'Doherty [the writer of the article] has quite appreciated the extent of the investigation. There is also a full blown inquiry headed by DI Stuart Prior in Leicester who specialises in serious crimes and fraud. Scotland Yard are also involved. The respected Portuguese head of the inquiry Paolo Rebellin has returned to Portugual to discuss charges with the prosecutor. The leak "scandal" is bizarre because no one has denied the truth of what said: namely that the McCanns are giving a new version of events, one that shows them in a much less flattering light than the media has told us. Forensic results are now ready from the FSS in Birmingham, including definitive evidence that shows Madeleine was dead. The Portuguese also believe they know where the body is. This case is not going to be shelved. And this article, reliant on the McCanns spokesman and little else, is going to look very dated in a few week's time.
Posted by Jeremy Wilkins | 12.04.08, 13:06 GMT
----------------------------------
"The wider agenda" is being pursued by the British Police.
No wonder the Pros are in such bad humour!
Carl Jung eh?
I'm impressed, it's amazing what they're printing on the back of cereal packets these days.
She can't 'give it to me'
because she hasn't got it
because she is a liar.
Come on Assassin
'Give it to me'
'Don't let me make you look like a liar'
Why don't you just make one up for goodness sake then say it's mine.
I'm trying to help you out here
Assassin,
It took you a long time to think that one up - now you look really pathetic don't you.
The mighty Assassin is not going to give me my own E-mail address when I ask for it because that would be illegal.
Well I hereby give you my permission to legally publish my E-mail address.
Come on then,
just make one up.
EVENING EVERYONE
THIS IS THE REAL VIV HERE, JUST CHECKED IN AND SEE ASS IS SO UPSET SHE DECIDED TO CLONE ME.
I AM SURE EVERYONE CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HER ABUSIVE RUBBISH AND ME!
Viv xxxxxx
Assassin,
I never E-mailed you and you do not have my E-mail address.
How's that.
Fake Viv,
Well if you say so
Look if you really want her that bad, she's all yours, I'm happily married mate.
Perhaps you could be father number 8
Penelope.
So true. Excellent post. Erin go braugh; Irish forever.
Off 'stage'...the Irish media have followed this case closely, and accurately.
Just in case anyone's interested :-)
Assassin
You know you can say what you like on your 'website' because no one ever goes there do they, that's why you keep posting the URL here.
And when Viv comes back she will just delete all the posts and I will leave.
And if she asks me not to post here again, I won't becuase it's her blog and I will respect her wishes.
Nancy
you may be sending someone an E-mail, but it certainly isn't me.
You are just getting scammed by someone phising for E-mail addresses.
You have been warned.
Penelope.
Unfortunately, this forum is being invaded tonight by the sort of pornographic words and images which descended on the Daily Mirror and Daily Express when the media manipulators were most fearful of honest public inquiry.
Same tactics. Same people. Tsk.
Hey ho. The Press presses on, and so does honest inquiry in all its forms :-)
Justice for Madeleine Beth McCann, and every child. Time and perseverance will make it so.
Doppel
There is only one person who is currently leaving and it is not you darling.
The real Viv xxxx
PS I am sure you know from the posts now being deleted, I am here!
I am sorry my regular posters have had to put up with this sick idiot.
Leigh,
They must be really, really rattled now.
I think JT must be about to spill the beans.
Doppelganger.
Please believe me: that 'nancy' is not the Nancy/Wooram who is much liked and respected on the DE, and elsewhere.
The porn queens are stealing her name in defence of their client.
The real Nancy will be most upset, but she will rise above it, and have her say, just as dadto3 did on the DE ;-), and elsewhere.
Viv,
If you ever think I have overstepped the mark or you want me to take a break from posting here just say the word.
I can keep these monkeys doing somersaults all day, but I know it's not what you are trying to achieve here.
I know you know that if I wasn't here they'd just be abusing and harassing your other posters until they left anyway.
Things must be getting really bad for 'Team McCann'
Penelope,
Very interesting.
So this is why Viv's blog is being attacked?
Dear Doppelganger,
IMO, you are right again. 'They are rattled.' Good.
Even so, everyone needs a Knight of the Truth sometimes.
It's a rough old world, although truth is always the new idea :-)
Just as littlegreycell always reminds us in her funny/serious way, and you remind us with your methodical ways.
I'm a Luddite,by the way. It's the world weird web. Luddites meet cyber champions, in every sense.
Tsk. You have to laugh, don't you? I do. It's a funny old world; a team game, perhaps. All the better for it, imo.
Imo? I hate those phrases, but it's appropriate on the world weird web, apparently.
Hiya Leigh
This woman is nothing at all to do with the McCanns, she is a woman who has severe mental health problems and her children taken into care.
She assumed that I was something to do with Mr Bennett, even though I have often posted I completely disagreed with his own ridiculous conduct.
She is very ill and should just be ignored, not giving her a status she simply does not merit.
The real Viv x
Doppleganger,
You have the heart of a lion.:)
They are all like something out of 'The Exorcist'completely depraved.I don't know how they can live with themselves.
XX D
Dear Viv,
Just read your post to Doppelganger. I can see why you are displeased. I did try to intervene, but sometimes everyone gets a bit heated by personal attacks, and s/he responds.
Am very unhappy about what has happened, particularly when a daughter of Sweden is being mourned tonight.
However, perhaps sometimes, people do defend their own/their integrity, and miss the moment when others suffer greater wrongs.
Am just rambling now. I know you are right to be unhappy with tit for tats, but it is the world weird web, and I think 'others' would like to see doppelganger disappear. It serves their purpose.
Just a thought. I understand how you feel, but who benefits when crazies invade this site targetting much liked and respected posters?
xo
leigh
P.S. And that's coming from Ms Nuke the Swines! My patience is more limited than yours.
Viv,
I am so glad you are here to zap these depraved beings.What a nightmare!!
XX D
Hiya all
looks like Doppel and Nancy also cloned by this maniac, if apologies are due from me please accept them, I am just trying to delete inappropriate posts ..if I delete real posters or confuse with Ass's fakes no offence intended.
The real Viv x
Hiya Dolores
I am doing my best to at least delete some of them.
It is a pity I cannot have a pleasant Sunday with my grandchildren without this depraved nutcase jumping in. She makes it very obvious she no longer has her children!
Sometimes Social Services do an excellant job!
the real Viv x
SwedishMum, if you're reading, just wanted to let you know how much I'm sorry for Engla, her parents and extended family and for all the good and chil friendly people of Sweden who must certainly be hurting. Let us hope men's Justice takes care of the monster who deprived that child of her life. And let us all hope that if it doesn't, that the Universe takes care of it.
As for the insane, filthy posters who made it crystal clear today, nothing is better to show the world what kind of supporters the McCanns have. I bet they're proud (not).
P.S: Viv, the deleting is done.
Hiya Leigh
If there is one that sick harassers thrive on it is actually being able to engage with their subject.
The best way to really upset her and make her realise she is wasting her time is to completely ignore her.
People need to understand she is very sick and there is no point responding to the ridiculous rubbish she writes it just makes her worse. She is paranoid and very ill.
the real Viv xxx
Phew! I agree, Dolores. Delighted to see you back, Viv.
Maybe tomorrow's headline needs to address this issue of your forum being invaded by obscene words and images like the Daily Mirror and Daily Express forums were when the McCann manipulators felt most threatened.
Former regular Daily Mirror posters refer to it as the 'porn weekend'. Apparently, their site was deluged with obscenity one weekend.
Tsk. Criminals hate honest inquiry, and they'll steal anything - including other people's names - to further their cause.
Did you see the dishonest post by 'Sass' claiming that tonight's events had nothing to do with 'their' site.
Yeah, right, sister. Same old tactics; same old PR whores, imo. Selling any old line for any old client.
Claudia hello my lovely
I am desperately sorry to hear about poor Engla and I too would like to pass on my sympathy to the family via Swedishmum. Sadly sick child abusers obviously do exist all over the world.
Thank goodness they have caught this man and her parents have her little body at least, so they can claim her back and start to grieve for her. It is most terribly sad.
~Thanks so much for all your hard work and doing all that deleting.
luv Viv x
Viv,
So glad you are back.
This has happened before with Muldoon. This person is obsessed with one subject.
Don't think he/she is interested in the Mc Canns. It's only to promote her favourit topic.
Viv /Leigh
It makes me shudder to think something as vile as that,and her cronies, would ever be allowed to poison the minds of children with that type of filthy mentality.
What goes around comes around.
Thet will pay in a big way for their behaviour.
XX D
Hi, Viv.
In fact, it didn't take long. :-)
I was away all afternoon. I was sad to come back and find out what happened to little Engla. I hope that bastard gets what he deserves. Anyway it comes to him will be fine as long as justice is done.
xxxx
Hiya Leigh
Yes I did see Sass's comments, they brag on their site about how they attack this blog, herself included and have been only to happy to use this sick individual.
They are not a lot better and have no interest whatsoever in listening to the truth about what happened to little Madeleine even when it comes directly from the lips of her own parents.
I am not going to do a main post about blog wars, it is not the issue. They are just a handful of pathetic rejects and are not worth the space.
Viv x
Dear Viv,
Agreed. However, I fear for her soul even if she does not, and she knows that 'we' understand each other; her place as a mother is more important than her place anywhere else. 'We' are mothers, whatever our disagreements.
'Madcow' is a different issue. 'We' understand each other too, but it's not the same thing as Assassin and me being mothers, whatever our faults.
As for Sundays with kids: glad you had a nice day. Perhaps today's episode on your blog will reveal more of the truth to anyone who doubts that there are some very slick operators, abusing the world weird web...and some very smart operators who will sort them out, in due course, in your own time, Viv, when it suits you, not them.
Hiya Leigh
I know more about this individual than you do and I think you are just going to have to trust me on this one, she is sick, not slick.
Viv x
Viv,
Fair enough; fairer than they deserve.
Very wise.
xo
leigh
Viv.
I trust you. The 'new media' is a different place; the world weird web. Fortunately, experienced people of all sorts inhabit this place.
I accept what you say, unconditionally.
'nancy' pretender from the House of Ill Repute, led by Madame R, with her girl gang of flowery named tarts...
We all know the real Nancy/Wooram, and your sick posts do the McCanns no good whatesoever, although perhaps it satisfies their supporters thirst for 'revenge', just as an unnamed 'source' from Team McCann said in the newspapers recently.
I doubt whether the McCanns would want your perverse sense of defence.
Where's your 'keith' and 'sass' and 'rosiepops' at the moment? Hiding behind you?
Yup. Know one; know you all. So predictable.
Here's an idea: leave the McCanns alone. They don't need you.
Leigh3,
Goedenavond.
I know that Nancy (ex Wooram)and doppelganger and Wizard were cloned today.
Do you think 2345 and Bianca were cloned also?
Goedenavond Atardi!
I just looked in briefly, so only see that Nancy/Woorman, wizard, viv, and doppelganger were cloned in order for dishonest McCann supporters to disrupt this place.
In the words from a great film 'Gone With the Wind'...'frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.'
Atardi,
There are some very sick people on the world weird web, and there are some very cynical people who'll do anything for money. Some sell their bodies. Some sell their souls. Both are morally bankrupt, although the soul less do enjoy a fraudulent sense of moral superiority ... just like child neglectors, and their supporters, in my opinion.
Atardi: this sad story of 'missing' Madeleine Beth McCann attracts both corrupt types, I think. Sad, but true. We can see it in front of our own eyes.
Atardi.
P.S. We know from other places that honest posters cloned will rise above it, and speak their own minds, don't we?
We've seen it all before.
Justice for Maddie, and all missing or abused children. Honest people will pursue that, however long it takes, I think.
For that, maybe a moment of respect is due for a daughter of Sweden whose brief life is confirmed to be ended.
SWEDEN: condolences for your loss.
Leigh3,
Thanks for answering my question.
There was a moment during these sick postings that I even couldn't move.
How can people be so sick?
But than I read your post about the world wide/weird web and was able to look at these posts differently.
You know what, I really felt so sad for the poster. Because she must be a lonely person. She has no one to talk to.
Still, I can't understand that people want to receive money to make such comments or the Mc Canns look good.
Evening all. I see I must have missed some action here.
Firstly, condolences to all who love Engla.
Secondly, I have just read a news report about the third arguido, Mr Murat, who has finally commenced libel action through his attorney. I fervently hope he does the same with regards the Tapas lot. I have seen no reference on here that this has been noted. If it has been discussed already I apologise.
"Robert Murat, the British expatriate made a formal suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, has begun one of the largest libel claims in the history of British media.
The 34-year-old, who lived close to the Portugal apartment where the missing girl was last seen, has launched libel proceedings against 11 newspapers and one television network."
Murat sues British press
Hang on, I see now it was mentioned on the first page but was not discussed in depth. I guess there were other distractions.
Hello, Doc. Just passing by as I have visitors. My elderly neighbour (who dislocated her should several weeks ago, remember?) has locked herself out. She and her husband are waiting for their daughter to arrive here with the spare key. The only problem is that she lives more than 100 Km away! :-)
Go, Robert! :-)
Viv,
just read your post to me
They all actually 'appeared' and started attacking all the regular posters when I wasn't even 'here'
And I don't really think all those fake ID's were created for my benefit, do you??
I read your site for months before I ever posted here and you were constantly suffering the worst kinds of abuse.
I also rarely posted on Alsabella's site and they managed to get that shut down or she decided to shut it down herself for some reason.
I also think you will find that many of the posts supposedly made by me were not actually made by me.
This happened on the other blog also apparently - Sassy actually came here to warn me about it - they knew straight away.
ALthough you can spot the Doppelgangers with the small 'd' it is harder to spot cloned ID's with a space at the beginning or the end or umlauts over the 'o' or the 'a'.
Not sure what you can do about that really.
I couldn't spot the difference in the 'fake' Viv's ID but I obviously knew it wasn't you.
Perhaps I should have picked a shorter name, but then I never realised things would get this bad.
I think we have to pay a high price for freedom of speech because there will always be people determined to stop it at any cost.
Please note, 'Nancy' appeared well before things kicked off and I immediately smelt a rat, but I was very polite to her, I even apologised to her for saying I was suspicious, but actually I was just waiting for her to 'explode', which she did today of course, as planned.
Since the newspaper forums shut down the nutters are looking for new targets, that is why they are here I think.
However, if you don't wish me to post anymore of course I won't, but there will still be posts made by Doppelganger here, I will just have to hope you all realise it isn't me.
keep up the good work and remember, the loonies will only win if YOU let them.
Off to bed now, take care everyone.
:-)
Good evening Viv and all!
What a sad day it's been. Swedish newspaper sites and news on tv and radio are filled with news on the tragedy of little Engla's murder.
You have been very compassionate and I thank you all for that (even though I don't know the family). It's too sad that not everyone can put their animosities aside when something like this happens, but feel a need to make snide remarks.
I remember when Rosiepops had to put one of her dogs to sleep. I don't think anyone said anything mean to her. On the contrary most - pros, antis and those of us who are on the fence - expressed our sympathy and condolences. And that's how it should be.
Now, I'm quite sure that some ill-willing person will interpret this as me "complaining". But that says more about that person than about me.
For anyone who's interested: a Swedish newspaper has a "Light a candle for Engla" on it's website. When I'm writing this 144353 persons have lit a candle.
The address is:
www.expressen.se
Doppelganger.
I will miss you, truly.
xo to you and your dear family.
leigh
Swedishmum.
I'm truly sorry a daughter of Sweden has died, particularly in such an awful way.
Condolences to her family, friends, and Sweden.
One child is every child.
xo
leigh
p.s. it's a well documented fact that some English people care more for animals than children. It's not right. It just is. They are perverse. Please ignore their minority whines.
Doppel,
weren't you the one who told me not to give up?
I'll miss you too. x
Leigh,
Aw shucks!
Just checked the other blog by the way and that is restricted to invited members only too. I wonder who wound up the people who shut them down?
Nite, nite, sleep tight.
Swedishmum, poor liitle child, my thoughts and prayers are with her family.
Night night, doppelganger.
See you next time. There's always a next time. That's the way of the world, sadly and happily. Hey ho. Twas ever thus.
Have a great life - just keep doing what you do!
xo
leigh
Isis,
It just isn't fair. The murderer has confessed to another murder 8 years ago and there may be more. It's too sad that he hasn't been caught earlier.
Swedish Mum,
Sorry to hear your sad news by the way.
And glad to see you posting here, I'm sure you will be made very welcome, despite the fact you do not necessarily share the same views as many do.
Oh and I never give up.
Nite,nite
:-)
Swedishmum.
I went to the link you mentioned, and tried to post my condolences, but it doesn't seem to work.
Shame on me. My Dad's forbears are ... Swedish! Before then, Russian. After then, Scots, then English.
Sorry.
Just a note for LGC,
The newspaper reviewer on Sky she wanted to know the name of is on again and it was Tim Walker from the Telegraph.
Nite Doppel!
Sleep well, Doppel.
Swedish Mum, that monster will pay for the crimes he comitted. One way or another.
SM, I also checked the link. But I couldn't find my way. My swedish is... non-existant!
Leigh,
so you have a little viking in you, so that's where your strength comes from :-)
To the real doppelganger,
What can posters do if they were cloned? Maybe Nancy can use some advice.
The obsessed poster reached her goal.
And that was to eliminate you.
I hope we will raed you soon.
Claudia,
And the one thing about the Madeleine case we should not forget is that she was their own daughter.
No matter what happens, even if the PJ cannot solve the crime and the McCann's become millionaires they will never be free.
You can escape justice but you cannot escape from your own conscience.
Nite, nite.
Oh, Doc.
Murat represented by Max Clifford was always going to be recompensed for his loss, as I said last year on the DE.
Tonight, Sweden grieves for a daughter gone to her grave, a child.
That's a loss without compensation.
One child is every child.
A moment for her and Sweden now would be right, I think.
leigh
Claudia,
You have to scroll down a little and then you see the words:
TÄND ETT LJUS FÖR ENGLA
and a candle next to it. Thereunder you find two boxes:
Namn (that's name)
Ort (that's city/village)
Atardi,
The person themselves can't do anything, it is up to the rest of us to realise when we are being tricked I'm afraid and that is not always easy.
But in the end they will only win if you all let them.
I have to go to bed now, really just came on to tell you that I appreciate your sympathy.
Goodnight all!
Atardi,
sorry, forgot to say goodnight.
Just on the paper review, apparently Britain is the centre of a massive baby trade which people buy in order to claim benefits in the UK.
What a bloody mess we have gotten ourselves into here.
Nite, nite.
Thanks, Swedish Mum. I'll do it right away!
Swedishmum.
We are linked by genetics. Your loss is my family's loss. It's a tribal thing, perhaps. As you say: we don't know the girl personally, but we mourn the loss of her...in true Viking way.
Valhalla. May it be her resting place.
Good night, Swedish Mum. Sleep well.
Doppel, you're right. The universe has a funny way...
Doppelganger.
No surrender. Remember Swedishmum on the DE, and elsewhere? Even in her mourning for a daughter of Sweden gone to the grave far too soon, Swedishmum is sympathetic, but moved to action. Action, not just words.
That is the Viking way. That is the UKs ancestry ... just like you, and others who resist lies, and defend the weak.
That is our way, and the way of Portugal, our oldest ally.
Just thought I'd vent a little...
Sweden mourns tonight. I care nothing for the weasel words of child neglectors. Nothing.
Swedishmum, went to the site and lit a candle.. i think, i just left my name and message in the 2 boxes and clicked the 3rd box. We had a child vanish in ireland over 30 years ago, a little girl , the convicted child killer , robert black was in the area at the time but nothing hhas come of that. This liitle girl rests with the angels now.
Doppelganger,
Goodnight.
I hope I can read you again tomorrow.
It wasn't a pleasant day today.
But remember Leigh3's words. "......Catchy monkeys".
We are here for one thing.
And that's for Justice for Madeleine.
See you all tomorrow.
Supertroll/Rosiepopses/girl gang of flowery names.
'Birds of a feather flock together'. You defend the McCanns, and the McCanns' name will be blackened by association with you.
Sweden mourns tonight for a daughter killed by a monster. Yup. A monster.
You come on here and abuse Swedishmum? You monsters. McCann monsters...is that what you want the world to think?
Keep writing, and that is what the world will think.
Sweden mourns, and you abuse their heartfelt grief.
Vikings never forget. Tell your McCann pal neglectors that.
Doppel
I did apologise above for mistaking your clone for you and will do so again. This thing aims to cause upset, we must not her her win. I hope you will continue to post as we all wish you to do.
I know we are all saying silent prayers for little Engla as we do for all departed abused little children, Madeleine included. Also for innocent family members who suffer from such terrible tragedies.
Nite all
Viv xxx
Dear Viv,
Thank you for deleting the ST post. Sweden mourns tonight. Confirmation of Engla's death is heartbreaking for a big country with a relatively small population, but their descendants are spread all over the world. It's heartbreaking that beautiful, remote Sweden should lose a daughter to international vice/commerce.
xo
leigh
Hiya Leigh
The post demonstrated just how utterrly sick and deranged this person was. I cannot be here all the time, I have many other things to do, but please rest assured when I am, that kind of post will always be immediately removed.
Claudia and I both do our very best to make this board a safe and respectful place for all posters.
Again, I would like to apologise to everyone who has had to put up with the sickening abuse today when neither of us were around.
It is a terrible indictment on this woman and I hope she can speak to herself and try and think how repugnant her behaviour is, no matter how bitter she feels at a system that felt it necessary to remove her children to a safer place.
Children, first and foremost have to be our concern. That is the focus of my new post I am just putting on.
Viv x
Dear Viv and Claudia.
Your generosity is never in doubt. Never.
I admire your patience. I lack that, as you can see from some of my comments. Patience is good. I just can't do that sometimes.
xo
leigh
Viv,
I see what you mean about 'removed' children. Point taken.
Child neglectors always dislike/hate/undermine authority which puts children before adult fecklessness.
Night, Viv. Tomorrow is another day.
Valhalla for Engla, although I hope the spirit of Thor will right the wrong done to her.
xo
leigh
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