12 Apr 2008

WHAT DO THE VIDEOS OF THE BRUSSELS TRIP TELL US?

Don't you worry about Kate, Gerry, Clarence is keeping a concerned eye..
I wonder why Tanner and O'Brien have matching, pronounced frown lines right above their noses, unusual in young couples?

can you believe this guy would go anywhere without his watch and his mobile!!!


Nice bundleman outfit, Gerry! but you could be seen in the dark..



Hiya all, I have been listening to a couple of interviews with the McCanns available here on the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7339940.stm

I just noted down some of the comments below from Kate and Gerry. This seems to me to be a couple who are just in complete denial of the reality of their situation. What was the point of leaving the twins also for a recent trip to Washington, how can Kate still protest Madeleine is "still out there". How on earth can she say there is "absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine has come to any harm". We are talking about a mother here, who admits, she left her and her even younger siblings on their own to cry. We are talking about a mother who is prime suspect for killing Madeleine, on the basis of forensic evidence clearly demonstrating the death of Madeleine in her and her husband's care. But we are also talking about a mother who sat there and gave this interview, not knowing that on the same day shocking details of her own witness statement would be released. Why does Kate always get so nervous when being asked to actually talk about Madeleine, would this not be the most natural thing in the world for a mom to do? Why does she always have to emphasise Madeleine was a "very loved little girl"?

How on earth can she state, with admittedly faltering and noticeably poor language skills creeping back in here "we havn't actually been accused of anything".

Is this the most perverse piece of failing to accept responsibility or comlete and utter denial we have yet seen from Kate McCann?

In relation to Gerry, he tells us that for months he has been working on this Amber Alert Project, but why, how would this get Madeleine back? As ever he is actually telling us he has been working for months on how he can try to defend them.

Again, he tells us where all the spin actually comes from, galvanising the public into responding and providing information…of false sightings and bizarre feelings about other people in PDL etc, anything to muddy the waters..We are optimistic…a further video I listened to he spoke of arguido status generally being lifted after 8 months so then they should be in the clear but as he pointed out a three months extension can be granted. Everyone can be absolutely clear the focus should be back on finding Madeleine, well now we have heard that a few times! It seems to me that Gerry in particular wants to brainwash the "ignorant public" (Kate's amazing words). Sorry Gerry but we have minds of our own. Looking at the pic above of how you just march onto the train without so much as a backward glance for your wife, we have a clear picture of you, too. I notice the concerned look at Kate, coming from Clarence Mitchell. I have often wondered just what are his feelings towards her, does he see her as a sad child killer who he is trying to protect because she appeals to his manly instincts?


Kate: Recent trip to Washington and there is still a good chance that Madeleine is still out there
We have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine has come to any harm.

I actually think the public are ignorant!

(Pause, hand starts bouncing up and down) Madeleine was an incredibly happy, confident and very loved little girl

Difficult to come here still suspect? You know, we havn't actually been accused of anything you know and um

Gerry: Culmination of a lot of work that has gone on in the background over the months, particularly over the last four months (since the Portuguese Judge said the case must continue in January?)

We want key information to be disseminated to the public to galvanise their response and help lead to the successful recovery of the child.

We are pretty optimistic that our arguido status will be lifted soon and everyone can be absolutely clear that the focus should be on trying to find Madeleine

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ICantThinkOfAName said...

nancy

The dustbin is there in case you want to delete your own posting.We all have one but cannot see other poster's bins.

nancy said...

Swedish Mum -

About Brown's strange comments:

I remember someone left a post on here some time back suggesting that all bloggers are being tested for reactions and those who are of high IQ being separated from those at the other end of the scale - something like that anyway.

So perhaps whoever it was who sent that post is a scab in government and he or she was trying to let us know what is going on.

I believe it was on Alsabella's forum.

Does anyone else remember?

Big Brother watching us again and all this being a government backed scam!!! Perhaps we have all been watching too many movies!!

nancy said...

ICTOAN -

Thankyou for that info - you are a gem!

Nancy x

LittleGreyCell said...

Di,

Bless you!!

But somehow, I don't think this will be the reason...

:)

LittleGreyCell said...

Thank you Nancy!

Enjoy your walk...

:)

SwedishMum said...

Nancy/Di,

I'm so glad that you too think it would be wonderful if Brian's post turned out to be something more than just a hoax. My thoughts weren't as well accepted on the other site - I meant that this would be the best possible outcome, but my post was obviously interpreted more as an attack on the McCanns.

Rori Hegarty said...

sweedishmum, if you are here that comment was in no way meant to be taken as a hint that madeleine was still alive, it was reported by many people when they read it, myself included. Read it again and you will get the perverted sense of it. It is disgusting.

SwedishMum said...

Isis,

am here and will do.

SwedishMum said...

Isis,

what does "contain" mean?

dolores said...

LGC.
It was D.Payne who "We know they didn't do it. One of our party saw Madeleine being abducted. We were waiting for something to happen but didn't in our worst nightmare think it would be this."
A nd I remember reading, G.Brown saying ''We have to prepare the public for this.....


XX D

Di said...

Swedishmum

As I said, I don't go there, but your comments do not surprise me at all.

I would love Madeleine to be found safe and well tomorrow, I would hold my hands up and say I was wrong, but I am not sure that will happen.

Saying all that, I have always gone along with the fact, that if Madeleine died it was a tragic accident, imo.

SwedishMum said...

Di,

that's my opinion too. IF the McCanns are involved it most probably was an accident.

LittleGreyCell said...

Thanks, Dolores.

Only trouble is now, one of their party DIDN'T see Madeleine being abducted! (Or did she?)

This is getting to be like the 145th series of Lost...enough already! Just tell me what happens in the end!!!

SwedishMum said...

Off now,

Have a nice evening!

Cláudia said...

Hello, everybody.
What's new?

Di said...

Swedishmum

Have a good evening, off now myself.

Enjoy your evening everyone, catch up tomorrow...

LittleGreyCell said...

Bye SM and Di!

Enjoy your evenings...

:)

Rori Hegarty said...
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Wizard said...

Good Evening All,

I’ve just been reading back and there are some very interesting posts today and Viv’s article is very good as usual. Loved the photo of Gerry in fancy dress as bundleman. Di’s post about Jane Tanner now saying she did not see bundleman, if true, is very significant. Could this be the breaking down of the T9 pact?

The arguido status could be lifted in 2 days, but wasn’t the pj saying a few days back the arguido status would not be lifted until charges were brought so unless the pj charges someone in the next couple of days surely they will ask for an extension of this status rather than drop it.

The proposed reconstruction – the T9 imo are all lying for one reason or another. A reconstruction would just illustrate this graphically, no doubt the pj would be filming events as they unfurled. Kate and Gerry will not go back for this reconstruction because this is simply evidence for the prosecution and not for the defence’s argument of an abduction. The McCann know to go back to Portugal they would be walking into a possible arrest, which leads onto their earlier actions of engaging extradition lawyers – why do this unless they intended to use them.

Cláudia said...

Hello, Isis. I was away all day working and having fun. Have I missed something?

Rori Hegarty said...

Hi claudia, no not really just discussing a most perverted comment that was left on the sky news comments section a while back. It is printed a few posts back. Read it and you will see what i mean. It took literaly hundreds of complaints for sky to remove the comment.

LittleGreyCell said...

Isis,

This case is teaching me what a quiet life I lead...thanks for the explanation of that strange post.

When the big storm came a few weeks ago, Sky news published viewers' pics. Well, there were a good number which included photo-shopped (or whatever) visions of Madeleine udner trees, standing behind cars and so forth.

Aren't people weird?

LittleGreyCell said...

Off to have some supper.

See you all later.

Rori Hegarty said...

LGC, there was an awful lot of complaints in relation to that comment as you can see the reason why. It did take quite a while for sky to take it down but eventually they did, thank God.

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Isis.

Rori Hegarty said...

Cludia, just deleted my post as it has explained the meaning behind the comment and has no function here now.

Cláudia said...

Ok, Isis.
Thank you!

SwedishMum said...

Thanks Isis, (just back for a second to see if you reponded)

I managed to catch your post before you deleted it. I now see what you mean - weird doesn't even start to cover it.

Hi and bye Claudia,

hope you're fine!

Cláudia said...

Hey, SM!
Alwayd great to 'see' you!
I'm very well, thank you. Hope you're also fine! :-)
xxxx

SwedishMum said...

I am Claudia,

Just wrote a "farewell" post on the other site and now I bid you farewell as well (but only for now):-).

Have a nice evening! xxx

Rori Hegarty said...

Swedishmum, ok. Truly sickening.

Cláudia said...

Now you scared me! :-)
I'm glad it's only for now!
xxxx

eurekamano said...

Hi 2345, re your much earlier post. Only from what I've read the position is this. The Portuguese prosecutor has applied for a three month extension for the investigation. Arguido status will definitely remain until charges brought. The parents' Portuguese lawyers have agreed in principle to them returning to PT on May 15-16 and advised them to do so. The senior PJ investigator said the Tapas questioning confirmed some had lied and that the parents should not trust them. (Also he has been embarrassed by the 'crying' leak and intends to find out who leaked it). This is in line with the report that JT has now retracted and said she didn't see bundlemen.

I believed that under arguido they could be required to return but perhaps not without an EAW. There seems to be disagreement between lawyers and PR strategy.

This is my understanding.

atardi said...

Good evening Viv, and all posters who want Justice for Madeleine,

Viv,

Like Marga,Doppelganger,Ecolab and a new poster said thank you for this blog. And not only the blog but also the good articles you write and your explanation about the law.

Ecolab,

Nice to see you here again.Thanks again for the explanation about twins behaviour.

Cláudia,

Your post:
Cláudia said...

Well, guess Mrs Fenn was right after all, uh? These pros are really thick and blind. I would never dream that it was Madeleine who would confirm what Mrs Fenn knew all along.


Friday, 11 April 2008 01:52:00 o'clock BST

It made me shiver and I wasn't able to react untill now.

Mrs Fenn is a very important witness in this case.

Dolores,

Thank you for reminding us about Mrs Fenn asking Kate if she had to phone the police and that Kate said that they had already done that!

Nancy,

I have read that also. About Brown and Payne. But Dolores confirmed it already.

LGC,
You are amazing.Keep posting.

Cláudia said...

Hello, Atardi. Good evening! :-)

Wizard said...

Hi Eurekamano,
I think your 19:49 post to 2345 sums up the situation as we know it today very well.

It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few weeks.

Doppelganger said...

Evening everyone,

Just popping in for a minute.

If the story about Jane Tanner retracting her previous statements is true then this case is probably about to be blown wide open IMO.

If I was the PJ I would forget about Kate and Gerry for the time being and concentrate on Tanner.

It would be very interesting to see if Jane is prepared to sit in a Portuguese prison and watch all her friends get off 'Scot free'.

Cláudia said...

Hello, Doppel!
If that thing about JT slightly (cough, cough) changing her story was true, I think that a few hours in any prison cell would do wonders to her memory...

atardi said...

Hi Cláudia,

Any news from Portugal?

Cláudia said...

Hello, Atardi. I was away all day so I haven't heard anything. Except that piece of news on 24 Horas, I think, about JT changing her story a bit.

Doppelganger said...

Claudia,

If Jane Tanner now says she never left the table and she saw 'bundleman' earlier in the evening and cannot even be sure if he was carrying a child then in my opinion she should be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.

In Britain, this is a very serious offense and some people have got longer in jail for this than others have got for manslaughter.

Before this story came out, someone said it had been reported that Jane went into the interview looking calm and confident and came out looking like a broken woman.

I now think this case could blow wide open at any time - all it needs is for someone to crack.

I think the PJ will take their time, apply for an extension, possibly make others Arguidos and leave certain people to decide if they are prepared to rot in jail while their 'friends' tour the World attempting to become rich celebrities.

Doppelganger said...

Going to watch Dr Who with my kids now.

Oh and by the way, call me paranoid, but I get a little suspicious of new posters attempting to implicate Robert Murat in this case - again.

IMHO Robert Murat is an entirely innocent man and is very lucky to have escaped being framed by certain parties involved in this sad affair.

This is something else which will have to be investigated at some stage and if it is found people have tried to frame an innocent man they should be jailed for this also.

Got to go now, see you all another time.

:-)

Chrissie Nyssen said...

does anyone have a link to where these thinks are reported? thanks.

Cláudia said...

Doppel, I would like to share your optimism. However, I have to say that lately some things happened which I wasn't expecting and which made me wonder...
I agree with you. If she changed it, she should be charged. This is a case of protection, Doppel. Look at Shannon's mother. Arrested and charged for neglect. And although what she apparently did was very serious, people know where Shannon is. She is alive and apparently in good healt. What about Madeleine? Wasn't she neglected? Is she alive and well? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Cláudia said...

See you later, Doppel.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

sorry, things. i have hummous on my fingers!

Cláudia said...

Ultraviolet, reposting something Dolores posted earlier.



From 24 Horas 12/04/08



The Portuguese police still believe that Gerry and Kate are connected to the disappearance of the daughter. This conviction was strengthened with the visit to England. A couple's friend also helped

The thesis of the eventual abduction of Madeleine McCann was compromised by the interrogatories made this week in Leicester, England. The key witness that claimed that Maddie was taken wrapped in a blanket by a man on the 3rd of May of 2007 from a flat in Praia da Luz, Algarve, was heavily shaken when she admitted to the authorities that she only left the Tapas Bar, where she dinned with the McCanns and more six friends, after the alarm given by Kate. Jane Tanner admits that she saw a person before she went to dine but she did not see with precision what that person was carrying and it could be a simple tenant of the Ocean Club. "It was a precious deposition because it permits to concentrate the investigation in only one line, meaning that Maddie's parents are involved in the disappearance of the child direct or indirectly", said to 24 Horas a high judicial responsible connected to the process. According to the same source, "the thesis of an eventual abduction is more and more weak". "It would be good that the McCanns and friends accepted to come to Portugal to do a reconstruction on the 15th and 16th of May, of all the events that occurred between the 18 and 23 hours of that day". And the same responsible launches an appeal:" This is not a cat and mouse game. This is not a game. It is the life of a child we are talking about. If they want to help fine but if they demand things that the authorities cannot accomplish... No one cam make miracles if there is no cooperation from them".

The team of three persons that the PJ sent to England, returned yesterday to Portugal. Next Monday they will meet with the director of the PJ Guilhermino da Encarnação as well as with the public prosecutors Luis Verão and Magalhães e Menezes.The objective is to evaluate all the interrogatories made in England and decide the next steps.

Saturday, 12 April 2008 13:43:00 o'clock BST

Chrissie Nyssen said...

is 24-horas a reliable newspaper? alsabella told me once, but i do not remember.

Cláudia said...

Ultraviolet, 24 Horas is a tabloid. But it does get some things right. It was one of the first ones to publish that the wonder couple were suspects.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

yes, i remember now. gerry said he would take them to court! but what they printed was the truth, so he did not.

atardi said...

Cláudia and all readers,

I have some questions that are really bothering me.

1. Why is CM stating that Rachel Oldfield was in the next apartment?

Is it because of the Pampa Grass thing? Or is it to contradict Mrs Fenn?

2. I don't understand why the parents of Madeleine are furious about the so called leaks and don't want to go to Portugal for this reason.

If my child was missing I wouldn't give a damn about leaks and friends. I would be the first one to be there to find the truth about my child.

Everyone who followed this case knows that Madeleine has been crying on the 2nd of may. So it's no news.

What's new is that a 3 years old child asked her mother why she wasn't there when we were crying. It's the we thing that bothers me.

So Sean was crying also. Ecolab told us about twins behaviour!

mandarinn said...

good evening all.
24 hours is a kind of tabloid, but it doesn't means their news arn't truth.
Our respected newspapers don't publish sensasionalist news about this case anymore, such as PUBLICO; DIARIO DE NOTICIAS;EXPRESSO:...

Cláudia said...

Ultraviolet, although they also threatned to sue 24 Horas, I think that you mean Tal&Qual, the first newspaper in Portugal to report that the police thought K&G were somehow involved.

mandarinn said...

Atardi.
I think they don't want come back to Portugal. end stop. this is pretest

Cláudia said...

Hello, Mandarinn! :-)

Atardi, if they haven't cooperated before, why would they start doing it now?

Joe said...

I think we have to treat the report in 24 Horas as speculation at the minute. There does not appear to have been any denial as far as I am aware from the Pink One today, but after doing his hair and picking a ludicrous pink shirt he may use the Sunday papers eg NOTW and other comic s to spin a rebuttal. After all the pink gloves are off or so he said.

Chrissie Nyssen said...

you are right, claudia. it is all very confusing.

mandarinn said...

hi Claudia.. i'm well tks. How about you? Any news from Alsabella?

Tumshee said...

Viv,
I've just spent a while looking through some of todays posts. I have nothing new to add to the comments already made about team McC's spinning wheel; but I felt I should thank you for providing this platform for debate, comment and questioning of a very intriguing case. Thank you.

Cláudia said...

Ooops, been sent an e-mail (and went to check) and the child neglecters adorers miss Alsabella. I can understand them. I miss her too. But it's easier on me. I just heard from her today! :-)

Cláudia said...

I'm great, Mandarinn.
Yes, I've heard from Alsabella today. She was away for a few days. And people from the House of Filth miss her too! ;-)

Unknown said...

Evening all

Just had a great read, what a great blog again today

I have just been reading liveleak.com and picked up the following which I thought was really helpful especially the bit about a second witness seeing bundleman with dark hair and dressed in above gerry outfit dashing with a child near the church heading towards beach. Again it also confirms what I have read many times the night Mrs Fenn heard Maddie crying a lot was TWO nights before, not the night before. Now what can we deduct from that? Am I imagining it or did I read months back witnesses heard Madeleine crying on more than one night? Liked the last bit when McCanns were getting frantic about PJ suddenly getting very cool with them..it is not the McCanns who decide when we meet!

---------------


Miss Tanner reported seeing the man rushing away from the apartment with a child wrapped in a blanket under his arm.

A second witness spotted the man minutes later rushing past the church in the resort and heading to the sea front.

The dark-haired man was wearing white trousers and a dark jacket.

Mrs Fenn also told police that two nights before Madeleine disappeared she heard a child crying in the McCanns’ apartment.

Her screams carried on from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm until family members returned from a night out.


"Mrs Fenn says that two nights before Madeleine disappeared one of the children in the apartment was constantly screaming from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm.

"She was crying out for her dad and nobody answered until somebody returned.

"She remembers the times because she was talking to a friend back home on the phone and she was watching the news at 10.30pm.

"On the night Madeleine disappeared the first she knew of it was when there was a commotion downstairs.

"She looked over the balcony and saw the child’s mother. She was in a state of panic. She was repeatedly saying ’We’ve let her down. We’ve let her down.’

"All the people in their group were running in and out of the apartment. She asked someone if she should call the police and was told it had already been done."

Last night Mrs Fenn refused to reveal details of her evidence.

Under Portugal’s strict secrecy laws witnesses are banned from speaking publicly about details of an on-going investigation.

But when she answered the door at her apartment yesterday she said: "I will speak to the police on Monday."

Last night a Portuguese police source claimed officers had already been given statements by Mrs Fenn and her neice.

A police source said: "We have already spoken to them but they will be re-interviewed because of the new evidence we have.

"They are among a number of witnesses who we will talk to next week. They include employees from the Ocean Club."

Police in Portugal are still awaiting the results of forensic tests carried out on two samples of blood found in the McCanns’ holiday apartment.

The source said friends of Madeleine’s parents who were on holiday with them when their daughter disappeared could also be questioned.

The source said: "It is possible the McCanns friends will be brought in again but not will not happen before we have received the results of the forensic tests.

"The results of the blood tests are important but the investigation does not hinge solely on them.

"The blood is just another clue that could help us in the investigation. If there are four or five major clues that is stronger than just two or three."

Asked why the police had not carried out their weekly update meeting with the McCanns.

The couple reportedly asked for urgent showdown talks after reports were leaked to newspapers that police now believe Madeleine is dead.

Senior police chiefs later confirmed they are now working on that theory.

The source said: "It is not the McCanns who decide when we meet.

"We do that only when there is relevant information to tell them."

dolores said...

Atardi,

I hope you are well...:)

This statement by Kate has always concerned me for the safety of the twins,and why they were not removed from K & G.I know this is a huge step for SS to do, but it is not the first time and won't be the last that a child has been in the care of dangerous adults.IMO this sounds suicidal.

"Sometimes I press a button" resulting in them being "all gone, and it's all finished"?

eurekamano said...

The "Maddy crying" leak seems to be a desperate attempt to bury the real news, which is.....

That JT has admitted that she didn't see bundleman carryibng anything recognisable. It's reported she could have seen a MW tenant and anyway it was before dinner.

This is devastating for the Mcs but the leak has buried it.

atardi said...

Mandarinn and Cláudia,

We share the same thoughts! There is one thing they don't want to do and that is going back to Portugal.

CM's is spinning because he wants to know the public opinion about the McCanns refusing to co-operate with the PJ.

dolores said...

Eurekamana,
I totally agree with you.100%

Cláudia said...

Well, I think you know what the opinion here in Portugal is, Atardi.

Unknown said...

Hiya I think Jane was persuaded to make that false claim because someone saw Gerry carrying Madeleine off and he knew it. The second witness referred to in the post I just made.

The dogs followed a scent trail along that route down to the beach, I am sure I have read that and the South African investigator thought the same. I also recall that at first Kate and Gerry were cordial with him, but when he said that dropped him like hot coals..

To me initial burial at the beach would be obvious in desperation to quickly dispose of the body. I also think this explains Gerry and O'B exchanging 14 texts, OB was digging, got his trousers dirty and had to change, it is leaked there was death scent on his trousers, when Gerry got the signal all as prepared by a text he rushed off with Madeleine. Then he went back to the meal and called the instructor over at 9.30 to give himself an alibi. Think about it, what time did Tanner say she saw Bundleman .. 9.15. But what time does Gerry ultimately say Madeleine was abducted 9.40 when he was alibied back at the dining table.

Ecolab said...

A tabloid newspaper is 99,99% correct. It is to expensive in lawsuit to print lies.

I`m thinking at 24 Horas and their last story about JT!

Unknown said...

Hiya Ecolab


But what of 24 Horas saying the abduction theory is now very weak..it is not weak it is non-existent.

What of them also saying McCanns were involved directly or indirectly. How could they indirectly be involved?

My impression of 24 Horas is they have many sources, but one of them is most definitely Clarence Mitchell. Their stories are always a blend of anti and pro McCann.

Unknown said...

Sorry meant to add by stating McCanns may have been "indirectly" involved this does bring back the abduction theory obviously so beloved of them. They indirectly caused it because they left her alone!

Clarence!

Cláudia said...

Well, Ecolab, I have to say that when Team McCann threatened to sue 24 Horas, one of its more senior journalists was in one of our TV channels (and that is very rare because these journalists don't usually show their faces on TV) and when confronted with the threat said the Portuguese equivalent to "bring it on". :-)

atardi said...

Hi Dolores,

Nice to see you again,

Remember when this case is over we will start with our recipes;).

Sometimes I wish I have never heard about his case. But I will never forget when I heard of Madeleine for the first time here. My children got involved and became member of a site.

It was when they wanted to make money over to the fund that I decide to tell them that people were doubting about the abduction. Thank God we had DE at that time.

I was a fence sitter for a long time. Like most people here I think that if the parents are involved it was an accident and that the date was the 2nd of may. There is too much emphasis on the 3th by CM.

I wish I had a button to press all this tragic also.

But I have Viv's blog all day online.

lizzy said...

HI vIV/ALL
I have just read a very interesting post on the 3 Arguidos, the poster pointed out that it wasn't only Jane Tanner lying in saying she saw bundleman carrying madeleine away, toothman, as she has not retracted that as she didn't leave the table, the Tapas 9 were lying including Kate and Gerry as she was sitting with them and they knew she didn't leave and therefore had no opportunity to see anyone, by CM having his fake press conference in which he told the nation to look our for the toothy suspect that Jane Tanner had witnessed carrying a child believed to be Madeleine, he knew then he was lying they were all lying so hasn't he committed an offense in doing that? Lizzy

Doppelganger said...

Just been looking as ST's site as someone said I got an award.

Creep of the week - yea, go me!

Unfortunately given that the last time anyone posted on the site was 30th March and before that the 21st March I don't think my fame will be widespread unfortunately.

This Blog has more posts in 1 hour than ST's Blog had all March - my God I almost feel sorry for the poor wretch.

And I'm the one supposed to be Billy no mates LOLLLLLL.

Oh and for the benefit of the knitting cicle, who I know read this site avidly, my imaginary family are currently watching Britain's got talent and it does my head in.

:-)

lizzy said...

Oops meant she has retracted that, as she never left the table ...

Cláudia said...

Doppel, :-)

Ana said...

Hope everything is ok with all of you: )
As I told 2 days ago,i think, the spin is here and was there(the crying story) too

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Just liked to add that,Mr. Alípio Ribeiro wasn't even in the UK.
Clarence?

Cláudia said...

Hello, Ana.
Hope you're ok! :-)
Couldn't access your link. Can you sum it up?

Ana said...

Hello,Cláudia:)

here the article:

"Police chief tells of anger over 'crying Maddie' leak
By DANIEL BOFFEY - More by this author »

Last updated at 20:46pm on 12th April 2008

Portugal's top policeman has told friends of Kate and Gerry McCann of his regret that witness statements by the couple were leaked to the media.

One excerpt suggested that on the morning of her disappearance, Madeleine said: "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"

The couple were furious and have accused the Portuguese police of attempting to slur them as they approach the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance on May 3.

Heartbroken: The McCanns are outraged by the latest leaks from the Portuguese police, which were timed to derail their trip to the European Parliament in Brussels this week

The leak to a Spanish television station overshadowed the McCanns' visit on Thursday to Brussels where they called for a European rapid alert system for abducted children.

But it was revealed yesterday that Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, had interrupted interviews in Leicestershire with the "Tapas Seven" to tell the McCanns' friends of his own anger at the leak.

Mr Ribeiro returned a day early to Portugal on Friday after several days interrogating the friends who were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz last year.

A source said: "The matter came up in the interviews with Kate and Gerry's friends and Ribeiro was embarrassed by it.

"The leaks came as he was out of the country and he was angry about it. He also referred to it when speaking with Leicestershire police."

One of the McCanns' friends, Jane Tanner, who claimed to have seen a man carrying Madeleine away on the night of the child's disappearance, endured ten hours of questioning by Leicestershire police.

Yesterday she spoke out against claims in Portuguese newspapers that she and her friends had demanded a private plane to take them back to Praia da Luz for a reconstruction requested by the Portuguese authorities.

"If it wasn't such a serious matter, some of the things that are being said about us would be laughable," she said.

"The authorities should be out there looking for Madeleine rather than being distracted by any of these ridiculous and made-up stories about us."

Meanwhile, The Mail on Sunday has learned that Robert Murat will remain a formal suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for at least a further three months.

The 34-year-old had hoped that the decision by the Portuguese police to allow him to travel to visit his daughter in Britain two weeks ago was a sign that the "arguido" status was soon to be lifted.

However, Mr Murat has been informed that his suspect status will be extended until August when the McCanns' similar arguido status will also be considered.

It also appears that the McCanns are not planning to return to Portugal for the reconstruction.

They do not believe there would be any purpose to it unless filmed as part of a Crimewatch-style programme but that has been ruled out by the authorities."

Ana said...

Here the link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559297&in_page_id=1770

Cláudia said...

Thanks, Ana! lolol The man wasn't even there! Unless he was hiding in one of the officers' suitcases. But he is kind of big to pull that one off. This is hilarious, Ana. I bet it is just like the 'abductor' Jane saw... ;-)

Wizard said...

Maxine Carr (Soham murders) made a false statement to the police to protect and cover for Huntley she was subsequently convicted of perverting the course of justice. She in fact retracted her original statement and told the truth but was still tried and convicted. The court accepted, however, she only lied to the police to protect Huntley because she believed his claims of innocence.

Haven't I heard something similar to this recently - or is is just deja vu.

Ana said...

Agree, Clarence was not very well informed,was he?LoloLol!!
Abductor,
who?LOLOL

Doppelganger said...

Atardi,

Since the 'leak' my opinions about what happened have changed.

Given that Kate could claim Madeleine said absolutely anything, why would she attribute such a damaging statement to her on the morning of May 3rd.

The ONLY logical reason I can come up with is that it is an attempt to fix in people's minds the idea that Madeleine was alive and well on the morning of May 3rd.

After all, people will no doubt say if Kate was lying, why would she make up such a damaging statement, so that fact that it is damaging makes it more credible.

The thing is, sooner or later, the fact that Madeleine had been left crying was going to come into the public domain, so it is not really much of an admission to make if it succeeded in moving the investigation away from events on the night of the May 2nd.

I'm not really sure what I think actually happened at the moment, but I'm absolutely certain that there was no bundleman and that Madeleine was not abducted.

Unknown said...

Hiya Lizzie

Obviously if the McCanns or the TAPAS give a false version of events to police and it can be proved that they did then they are committing the offence of perverting the course of justice. More seriously still if it can be proved they are conspired together to pervert the course of justice they could also be charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. If they actually repeated those lies in any court proceedings then it also becomes perjury.

In this sort of offence the more serious the substantive offence, the more serious the perverting the course of justice/conspiracy will be. So here where the police are investigating the disappearance of a little girl that involved either homicide or abduction nothing could get more serious and they could be looking at 3 years minimum and probably a lot more in UK justice. When it comes to actually assisting an offender e.g. if OB did help dispose of the body, this is also an incredibly serious offence,coupled with perverting course of justice he could be looking 8-10 years IMO. Sentence always gets mitigated if suspects fully co-operate with the police and admit what they did. I think it is likely true Tanner has made the admissions attributed to her. With all of them there is the very serious issue of again attempting to pervert the course of justice by framing Murat. Without knowing precise details of what evidence exactly the police have got it is not possible to really give too accurate an opinion and it would be foolish to try. Sometimes when you have a lot involved the police may decide it is not in the interests of justice to prosecute the less serious offenders of a group because they may be very helpful prosecutio witnesses if the suddenly get an honesty transplant. What Payne seems to have done is very serious, i.e. saying he saw Maddie alive at 6.30 but it may be very difficult for the police to prove he lied about that. Again Oldfield says he checked the McCann children around 9.30, it is more likely this could be proved to be a lie but he is very vague in what he says, so in less trouble IMO. I have always thought he is likely to be the one rumoured to have been very helpful to the police and in the 24 Horas article above it says one of the friends "helped" increase PJs certainty McCanns involvement.

Cláudia said...

Ana, CM has to start thinking twice before his briefings. I'm quite surprise he did not say that José Sócrates and Cavaco Silva went to Rothley, knocked on their doors, kneeled down and begged for forgiveness. :-)

Anonymous said...

Hallo Claudia,Ana and everyone still here


What happened to the poster "speak"?
I think we are all up for a rollercoaster ride,sometimes being optimistic that the truth will prevail,just to be brought down by the tremendous spin surrounding this case. Somewhere, a little soul has disappeared from the face of the earth, whilst her parents are playing mindgames and powerstruggles with the PJ.

Cláudia said...

Hello, querida Viv! :-)
Totally agree re Oldfield!

dolores said...

Atardi,
I have not forgotten the recipes :)This case has given us all new friends,at least something good has come out of it.And we are caring decent human beings.
The next good thing will be justice for Madeleine and I am sure it will come.

There is a rumour tonight that there is some digging going on under the cobblestones near the church.( I will try and find out more)Could this be the reason the PJ returned sooner,maybe one of the Tapas has revealed all.

XX D

Unknown said...

Hiya Southerncross

Speak turned out to be a certain harassing poster with mental health problems and was shown the doorx

Viv x

Ana said...

Cláudia,
Well, but I am sure that Mr. Alípio Ribeiro has offered them all, a dozen of sardines...

Ana said...

Hi,southerncross,

I would realy liked to know that too ...:)

Cláudia said...

Hello, Southerncross.
Whatever happens, I will never stop being proud of the PJ for spending one year of their lives trying hard to find out what happened to little Madeleine and fighting the uncooperative ways of those who should be willing to do absolutely everything to help authorities but who have always chosen to put themselves in the first place.

Ana said...

Hya Dolores,

I realy hope so,but could be only a rumour...

Cláudia said...

Ana, you mean our Prime Minister and our President did not fly to Rothley to apologise to the arguidos on the case of Madeleine's disappearance? ;-)

Ana said...

Cláudia,

well, I had a vision and in that vision,NO they did not fly to Rothley,only Mr. Ribeiro, sorry ....

Cláudia said...

Ana, that article wasn't surely written by a journslist, was it?

Anonymous said...

Hi Claudia,
Speaking of dignity and keeping the moral high ground, for that,I salute Portugal and the PJ.

Ana, there will soon come a day when the truth can no longer be hidden.

Viv, I desperately tried to get your email addy the other day re an(shall we call it a mental health)issue which I would like to discuss with either you or Claudia.Pardon the poor English,pease!

Ana said...

In my vision, I see..please waite...yes you are right.That article was written by someone with a pink shirt,but can´t see more, sorry...

Ana said...

I meant wait, not wate! LOLOL

Ecolab said...

"Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"
”Mummy, we were crying, where were you?

This is NOT natural talk for a 4 year old child to use prases like that..
Children are living in the present and as soon as the ”pain/problem” is solved, the mind is cleared.
It means, that Maddie if she was crying the night before, would have ”forgotten” the crying the next day, when mummy was back and the crises was dealt with. Kate has forgotten, how a 4 year old child is speeking and coping with sorrows. Theese words are comming from an intellectual mouth, not from a childs mouth.

I still remember Kate saying : quoting Amalia ” I want Maddie to come home to our nice house and I share my wonderful toys with her” ….comming from a two year old baby!!!

Well, Madeleine was crying, but that was two days before this event.

Anonymous said...

Lol Ana,
And I meant "please" not "pease".
Is there not an edit button for me, a foreigner,Viv?

Cláudia said...

Ana, you mean someone pink with an ugly face? ;-)

Ana said...

Southerncross,


I am sure that will happen but I think, we will have to wait a long time before that ...

Chrissie Nyssen said...

this is written by a journalist named amanda platell. everyone may not have read this before. but i have read many articles by this journalist already, she was previously, very supportive of the mccann and clarence mitchell.

i think she is making a u-turn here. you have to read +/- halfway down the page to see the part about the mccann.

hyperlink

Ana said...

Ugly at least,Cláudia!

atardi said...

Doppelganger,

Since the 'leak' my opinions about what happened have changed.

Given that Kate could claim Madeleine said absolutely anything, why would she attribute such a damaging statement to her on the morning of May 3rd.


I really think they are not aware of what they are doing.And that includes CM.
Kate thought we were ignorant.And that she was the most lovely mummy in the world.But guess what. We were not the ones to decide that she should quit as a GP. She did it all by herself.

The ONLY logical reason I can come up with is that it is an attempt to fix in people's minds the idea that Madeleine was alive and well on the morning of May 3rd.

After all, people will no doubt say if Kate was lying, why would she make up such a damaging statement, so that fact that it is damaging makes it more credible.


Knowing the Mc Canns saying the public is ignorant. It was Kate''s last escape to try and make the public believe that nothing happened during the 2nd of may.


About Madeliene crying,

I think there is no one who didn't knew this.

Sorry for the late reply.

Cláudia said...

Yes, Ana, that is the least of his flaws...

Doppelganger said...

Claudia,

As they are all talking about us on their blog at the moment, here is just one post from there which I thought you might find amusing.

I was just going to give them the news about the McCann's Arguido status apparently being extended until August but Chinadoll had already posted the article - this is what she got for her trouble.

Chinadoll said.

Sassyp said to Chinadoll:-

It's all very well regretting the leaks, what is going to happen to those that were doing the media leaks?

..................................

I was merely updating the blog on a recent news article. How the hell do I know what is going to happen to those that were doing the media leaks? I assume the question was aimed at me, because it was addressed to me.

Why don't you discuss the content of the post instead of going on to bitch about other people.

Whatever

Can't see them all lasting out till August, can you?

Now they will say I am stirring, but if they were not avid readers of this blog how would they know?

Personally, I don't know how they'd live without you.

:-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Claudia

Yes I think Mat Oldfield is the clever one but there again he perhaps has the most to lose... a £1M pad in one of the richest areas in UK! Money talks to these people. Also his private patients in that area clearly have the money to pay!

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Well, Doppel, they need to relax in some way. Rough times. I see a lot of blood pressures rising. I think anger management classes would be a good idea! :-)

Cláudia said...

Viv, spot on!

Unknown said...

Hiya Dopel

Sometimes they seem to have more detailed knowledge of what has been said on this blog than I do myself:-)

However, I can understand them getting a little bored with each other and find us rather fascinating..I mean this is just like a proper blog instead of a bitch fest for cackling little old ladies and child neglectors..

Anonymous said...

Good night all,have a lovely Sunday!

Ecolab said...

Clàudia

Anger management! LOOL... Well some sort of massive kognitive therapi is higly recomended

Chrissie Nyssen said...

there was an unconfirmed report, that one of the doctors, has not been back to work in six months. i remember that as being mat oldfield. does anyone else remember this?

Cláudia said...

Man, I can't stop laughing! Honestly, I can't! Those child neglecters adorers are so thick that in order to believe the PJ apologised to the Tapas they are now saying that the journalist got the name wrong which is natural because they both start with an R. Rebele, ribeiro, what's the difference? You know, just one small, insignificant mistake like leaving three under four year old children alone in an unlocked hotel room while eating, drinking and having fun. Perfectly natural!

Cláudia said...

Ecolab, as soon as possible. :-)

dolores said...

Ultraviolet
I heard it was R o'B

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Thanks for all your info re them possibly being found guilty of perverting the cause of justice,even if Tanner does take the rap, they are all showing themselves to be liars as they would have been well aware when publishing the photofit of the toothy man that she didn't leave the table that night and was therefore lying, so they are all lying by supporting this. Will be very interesting to see what comes of this. Lizzy

Cláudia said...

Hello, Dolores! :-)

Chrissie Nyssen said...

yes dolores, it may have been russell o'brien instead. was this report ever confirmed, do you know?

dolores said...

Claudia,

Hi :)

Cláudia said...

Ok, now it wasn't Ribeiro who apologised. It was Rebelo. Obviously the poor journalist got the two names confused because this case is very recent and there is little information about it. There is only one problem: team McCann stated they were very offended because the PJ team was in the UK and didn't even bothered to say hi to the whole bunch. Give them enough rope and...
Nor very bright these pros, are they? My, my, my...

Doppelganger said...

Claudia,

Some of them keep saying the police must discover the source of the leak.

Given that it is being used by the McCann's to paint themselves as victims and use it as an excuse not to go back to Portugal for the reconstruction, I think the last thing the McCann's would want is for anyone to find out where the leak came from.

I'm not surprised the PJ are furious.

They are dealing with expert media manipulators, probably the best in the World.

By the way that is not meant as a compliment, as far as I'm concerned its like saying someone is the best liar in the World.

dolores said...

Claudia,
Maybe team mc cann thought they were coming over, for tapas and wine,and a friendly little get together. :)

Cláudia said...

Doppel, from what I've been reading in these last few monts, the McCanns are very unlucky people. Look at their defenders. Let's call it very limited intellectual capacity.
Rebelo apologised because he was so scared of team Mccann./ Nasty Rebelo, was in the UK and didn't even say hi.
pmsl!

P.S: waves!

Cláudia said...

Dolores, you know damn well that the PJ don't like tapas. Only 7 hour lunches! ;-)

Unknown said...

Hey guys I have just been cackling like a little old lady reading
PscychoSuperRosiewithragingpurpleLavender on her other voice blog having one of her oh so rare I have never lost it like this before raveups:

Gosh I never realised she hated people:-)))))))) "sick minded pervert" POT KETTLE BLACK

--------------
ROSIEPROSEY SAID:

You are a sick minded pervert, how dare you say that I said Madeleine lied. You obvioulsy do not know children at all. I hate narrow minded nasty bigots like you.

Next time you want to make a comment to me try coming on my blog and doing it and giving me the right to reply. If you have no idea and cannot understand my "paranoid rubbish" why are you passing comment on it? Or is it the norm for people like you to comment on things you obviously lack the grey cells to understand?
And apart from that, what are you talking about and who is lavendula you thick head?

Chrissie Nyssen said...

the mccann have had very bad luck. losing a child - a sports holdall - a stroller - a wallet - breaking the freezer - what will be next?

Cláudia said...

Viv, a bit jumpy, uh? I wonder why... Do you think she's leaking? lololol

Unknown said...

Claudia

I have really got a late night silly one on now..


Nasty Rebelo was in UK and never even said Hi


PMSL TWICE

Unknown said...

Hey Claudia

Lock that flipping patio door quick:-)))))))

A raging bull is about to come charging through it, put the shutters down as well..

dolores said...

Viv,
She sounds like she needs a doctor.:)

XX D

Ecolab said...

Ultraviolet:

They lost the bag, the buggy, the wallet, the child, the fridge, the blue fleece, the faith, the dignity, the spade and the Map.

They still have hope, charitymoney, a hotline, a new car, a new house and a lot of posters. ;-))

dolores said...

Claudia,
She needs that plumber. :)

Unknown said...

Dolores

Strange you should say that darling, I have been having that occasional thought since around last October, you know when she occasionally loses it and needs a right to reply..just defending herself of course.

Well so are we, cuz Claudia has locked the patio and pulled the shutters down now ..been as she is young enough to be my daughter she is just so much damn quicker, thank God! ++++++ GARLIC ++++++++

Doppelganger said...

Claudia,

They certainly are unlucky people.

All those weirdo's lurking about so they took the precaution of leaving Madeleine alone in an unlocked apartment and she was STILL abducted. (NOT)

I mean how unlucky can you get?

Still things have been looking up since then, World wide fame, mortgage paid, armies of devoted followers etc,etc.

So things have turned out pretty well in the end .... oops I mean apart from for Madeleine of course (bit if a Gerry moment there)

Unknown said...

Nah Doc Just doing what I like to do late at night when I feel like a good laugh rippin the Prorosieverbial

docmac said...

Sorry, Viv

I thought someone had a leak that needed cleaning up

Unknown said...

Hiya Doppel and the other great spinoff for them is Kate has learned to become a very eloquent and accomplished public speaker um well you know we never um

Cláudia said...

Oh my, I'm sorry, but I was in no shape to respond as I was busy pmsl. But you are all right!
Viv, did we have an intruder who were you just being safe? ;-9

Cláudia said...

Hey, doc! :-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc

Well PsychoRosieverbialwithahintof lavender

does make me leak...tears of laughter

I did not really piss meself so you can put your mop and bucket down and have a rest mate:-)))))))

Doppelganger said...

Viv,

Just been looking at the photos of your kids enjoying themselves in the snow.

I wish I had an imaginary camera, then I could take photos of my imaginary kids.

Still, if I am ill I could always visit Docmac, apparently he is an imaginary doctor.

LOL

:-)))

dolores said...

Viv,
I think we should rename it The House of Horrors.

Docmac,
its RP it needs a doctor and a plumber.

xx D

Doppelganger said...

Docmac,

What would you prescribe for imaginary knives in the back, because I've been suffering terribly recently.

Not sure what's causing it though.

:-)

Cláudia said...

Well, I'm still a bit young to 'leak' that way, but afetr reading certain things it's close! :-)

docmac said...

This can not be true! The word I have to type is atrap. lol!!

Well, I see JT was stuck between a rock and a hard place, a trap of sorts. Well done JW! Well done T1! You exposed that liar for what she is. Of course it is now obvious that everyone else at the Tapas bar was lying too. Oh dear.

Hey pros! That is the big news that I had for you a couple of months back. I won't say I told you so, but none of you were paying attention. Must be the drink. You all need to learn the art of patience. No need to apologise for calling me a deluded idiot for all this time. If you can still be pro G&K after the revelations regarding the 2 leaked statements then we all know who is truly deluded. Mind you, I've known that all along. Have another drink.

nancy said...

Doppelganger -

I agree with you about Jane Tanner perverting the course of justice and in my opinion she should be made an arguido now that she has admitted not only lying about the abductor she supposedly saw, but also about leaving the table when she didn't until Kate went back after she found Madeliene missing! We all knew after seeing her on Panorama that she was lying through her teeth and I remember her actually saying and I quote "I carried the child like this...." - I remember being surprised at the time that the presenter didn't pick her up on that, but then the BBC has always been biaised throughout this case. I bet the rest of them are quaking in their shoes after this revelation!

I wonder if the rest of the tapas questioned managed to do a bit better with their responses!

I think more stuff will be revealed about JT and O'Brien before too long!

Off to bed now - see you all tomorrow!

Doppelganger said...

Got to go now everyone, in my time zone it's nearly my bedtime.

Nite, nite

:-)

Unknown said...

Doc

It was a precautionary measure to get my younger faster partner, ClaudiaPJTopladycrimebuster to baton down the hatches PDQ because I am not giving her the right to reply, I just want to sit and cry!

Do you think she has to take the lavandula with her to the DE just in case she has one of those rare little psycho moments, I am sure some soothing lavender oil holds it all back for her, or is it im?

Cláudia said...

Hey doc, please tell me, is there any way to ressuscitate brain cells which have been dead since WWII? Because some posters from the House of Filth would really benefit from it. The only downside is that the wonder couple would lose a few supporters! ;-)

Doppelganger said...

Just on the newspaper reviews

Robert Murat is now going to sue the British media.

Good luck to the man I say, I hope he takes them all for millions.

Nite, nite again!

Unknown said...

Nite Nite Doppel

If you have a fall out with your wife because you are blogging I know someone really well who used to be a really good imaginary divorce lawyer:-)

xx

docmac said...

Hi Claudia, Doppel and Dolores.

Yes, an imaginary doctor and part-time imaginary cleaner and plumber in an imaginary city called Cape Town posting on an imaginary blog. I won't be able to call on my imaginary knowledge or use my imaginary equipment to help Rosieflops then. Wouldn't anyway, she herself is a figment of her own imagination.

docmac said...

Goodnight Doppel. Just go and lie down and bleed to an imaginary death in your imaginary bed. You should be right as rain in the morning. Or am I imagining things?


Claudia, can't think of anything. Is it a downside? Yes, I suppose you are right. We need these people to keep damaging the wonder couple's cause ;-)

Doppelganger said...

Nancy,

I NEVER said JT HAD perverted the course of justice

I SAID that if the reports that she has retracted her statements ARE true the PJ should think about prosecuting her.

Just thought I'd clarify that to save any confusion.

By the way, have we chatted before?

No need to answer that question.

I'm off to bed now

Nite, nite.

Cláudia said...

"ClaudiaPJTopladycrimebuster"

Viv, lololol

You forgot ClaudiaPJTopleakingladycrimebuster

Unknown said...

DOPPEL

What fantastic news

Go for it ROBERT MURAT and all wish you loads a money

Tee hee he will be ripping around in his flash new sports car honking the horn outside some decrepit Portuguese building with bars at the windows and going

"Hi Kate and Gerry how's ya doin"

Cláudia said...

Sleep well, Doppelgänger! :-)

Doc, exactly! ;-)

SwedishMum said...

Hi all!

So JT not leaving the table was the information you couldn't tell us about some months ago, Doc?
Weren't there information in some newspaper that a waiter had claimed that?

docmac said...

Viv

Beyond soothing that one, I'm afraid. Was that really a post copied from another site?

dolores said...

Doc,
Does this mean we now have to call you 'Harvey' (the imaginary rabbit)

xx D

Cláudia said...

Well, Murat hasn't been cleared yet but if the wonder couple got the money, than I wish Murat to get it to. Loads of it! :-)

SwedishMum said...

Sorry, didn't mean to sound so bitchy, Doc. The question was meant to be serious.

dolores said...

Claudia,
Did someone not mention tonight, that R.M.was to keep his arguido status until August?

XX D

Unknown said...

Hiya Doc Yes it was an extract from a Rosie rant on Psychotrolls blog (one of Rosie's voices)

docmac said...

Hi Swedishmum, hope you are warm!

I did in fact post the information on numerous occasions that I had heard from an excellent source that nobody but O'B had been absent from the table. I don't think the other side read posts properly. There is of course the question of what exactly O'B was doing and I think Viv alluded to that earlier. Someone made a statement way back as to what transpired that evening.

Unknown said...

Hey Dolores since when did you need to lose your Arguido status to scam half a million of the DE?

Wonder if they will keep him quiet until August when they charge the McCanns that will be the end of the process and Murat will at the same time be discharged?

Have not heard one way or tuther

Cláudia said...

Dolores, I really can't answer that question. But it is possible. However the McCanns got money out of court and they were still arguidos, weren't they? :-)

docmac said...

Dolores

Harvey is my dad :-)))).

Unknown said...

Doc another genuine post and again PMSL:


I know you just cannot make this stuff up can you (Psychopops, 2007, 2008)

archer said...
Rosie

When you are on a sinking ship, you will grab onto anything...

that's what I think!

(inadequate is good too!)

docmac said...

SM

By 'someone' I did not mean a waiter, of course. I meant a paying customer. Nudge nudge....

Ecolab said...

VIV - please kick me to bed. My eyes are touching my knees! And I do not have the strenght my self. The blog is getting more and more interesting. ;-)

SwedishMum said...

Yes, Doc, now I remember what you said. Thanks.
Re. being warm, spring is slowly coming. It's actually rather hot during the days (maybe 15 degrees that is). But the mornings and nights, brrr.

Unknown said...

Hey Claudia darling you still there, Psychopops sent us a little message: Claw and Vile, Rosie dear, how juvenile, maybe we well and truly "rattled its little cage" tee hee

Rosiepops said...
by the way I haven't even been there todsod off you silly tarts claw and Vile

12 April 2008 23:16

docmac said...

Viv

Whose ship is sinking exactly, according to the other lot?

SwedishMum said...

Nudge, nudge know what you mean ...

Unknown said...

Hey Eco

It is comedy hour, but there are still some sensible posts as well:-)

You cannot beat a good laugh before bed

I would not kick you anywhere darling

Viv xxxxx

dolores said...

Viv /Claudia,
That was a separate query about R.M.remaining an arguido.

XX D

Cláudia said...

Oh Viv, what an honour! :-) I see it's a bit jumpy...

ta ra said...

Evening All,
Please excuse my single minded intent tonight; it's not meant to be rude.

Dolores of the pink rose: do you remember when JTs statement and bundleman story first appeared last year? I was incensed, and posted briefly on the DE: 'Jane Tanner is a bare faced liar.' There was a brief flurry of protest from 'the other side', but I reminded them of libel law: 3 defences = true in fact, fair comment or 'in the public interest'. They shut up after that.

Now perhaps we can see more clearly why that pact of silence existed among the Tapas pals; 'it's our business' etc, agree to be led by Gerry etc.

Educated doctors, aware of serious implications re: their habitual child neglect might be drawn into covering for each other (unaware of the full story), but in true medical secrecy style, they would want to limit their future exposure.

'No honour among thieves...'. No honour among bare faced liars.

How the UK Govt will rue the day it allowed friends of friends to get involved in this mess, imo. Hey ho. I'm sure they all have their 'innocent explanations' lined up.

One problem: they are human. I see a 'cut throat defence' lining up here, Viv.

Also: perhaps we should remember that DNA was found in unusual places. DNA is a useful tool; it is only one of the tools being used by the PJ, assisted by the British police, Interpol, and child protection agencies.

Of course the McCanns are angry with the police. That's only natural, given that they are official suspects. The accused usually do try to undermine honest inquiry. The McCanns are the same sort. Predictable.

So predictable, in fact, that their flimsy excuses are being exposed, bit by bit.

Hiya Doc: on the DE, I teased you when I asked: 'What's the m.o. of the MO?' I hope you can smile with me tonight at the slow, but sure progress of this ongoing investigation.

DOLORES: next question: who is JT protecting? We await the answer with great interest. No assumptions should be made about that, I think.

Cláudia said...

Dolores, I really don't know. But we have to remember that Murat hasn't got any friends in high places. Not even his Embassy gave him a little hand...

Unknown said...

Doc I really do not have a clue, I do a quick scan, nick something highly amusing and run out again slamming the door behind me x

I reckon they have been having dreams and visions, pscycho predictions, if you will, but they aint too keen on what they "see".

Oh well reality dawns even to thickos in the end

docmac said...

Leigh Hi!

I remember your post well!

Unknown said...

Hey Claudia

Max Clifford is a friend in high places, well sort of x He likes bringing them down anyway and he is real good at it!

docmac said...

Viv

Are there any 'fence sitters' left on there or are they all as hardline as their leader now?

ta ra said...

Hey Doc.

'Discretion is the better part of valour.' Due respect to you, and yours ;-)

Cláudia said...

You're right, Viv!

docmac said...

BTW Viv

Could you give SC your e-mail next time she asks, as she has asked on a few occasions. I think you missed it. She is a psychologist and seems to have some important info for you.

SwedishMum said...

Doc,

Re "fence sitters", Gina left a while ago,, I made my exit today, so I'd say that leaves Isis as the one fence sitter still there.
I may of course be wrong, since I have missed a lot of posts.

Unknown said...

Rosiepredictions says:

"What about all the other leaks under Gonc? And all those under him?"


I say:

Oh poor things!

Unknown said...

Doc

Could you forward it to me?

I am a bit nervy about giving my real email for obvious reasons!

Cheers x

ta ra said...

Ola Claudia,
Viv is right to mention Max Clifford, doyen of UK PR. He knows Clarence, of course. The UK is an island; practitioners cross each other's paths; useful networking.

However, Clifford will represent Murat when his arguido status is lifted.

The Pink One knows what to expect. Murat will be represented brilliantly, and anyone who lied about him will get what they so richly deserve.

Chica: Robert is not alone.

Unknown said...

Doc

I dont read it much, borin crap but I would say hard core would fit the bill better x

dolores said...

Leigh,
Hi, I trust you are well?
I have had my own thoughts about about who JT is protecting,and he was gone to long IMO. I maybe wrong but she seemed to be co-erced into this lie.I mentioned it on DE once.I am reluctent to come right out with it here. And I think it was the reason I got banned from DE.

luv xx D

Unknown said...

Hey Dolores Darling

PLEASE tell us you know I would never ban you x

Plus I need to try and be serious again I just had another quick peak and Mum 21 reckons their posts make them look insane, well I never! Like I said Doc hardcore!

Mum 21 said:

Made us look like a bunch of lunatics too.

That man needs locking up...he is evil to the core. I feel very sorry ..

SwedishMum said...

On a completely different note, Viv,

this may be news for you

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/41157/Clooney-wooed-for-Dr-Ross-return

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