CAMPAIGNING GLOBETROTTERS ..THE THING IS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THEIR CAMPAIGN, EXACTLY, INNOCENCE, FAME, FORTUNE?I find it really strange how Kate and Gerry had the future of their campaign all mapped out in June 2007..with the help of Clarence Mitchell of course. Kate was going to become an International Mother Teresa, perhaps having the wit to figure out her career as a GP was over and Gerry was dreaming about a 12 months anniversary event and how the cash tills would still be ringing twelve months on. Now we see all their happy plans come together and we are convinced they are innocent. I need the sick bucket again...See also how a French newspaper perceive their current little publicity campaign and how the cameras will apparently, even be following them to Washington..The same paper reports that given the number of parental abductions that take place the television would be interrupted several times a day with amber alerts. They also query whether these alerts should be limited to genuine stranger abductions which are quite rare, from a child's bed of course just about unheard of..unless of course it was the parent or someone known to the child.
Viv x
From The Sunday Times
June 17, 2007
Kate McCann may quit as GP to fight child trafficking
Steven Swinford and Mark Macaskill
THE MOTHER of Madeleine McCann may give up her job as a doctor to campaign against child trafficking and raise awareness about missing children.
Kate and Gerry McCann, whose four-year-old daughter vanished in Portugal 45 days ago, are alarmed that child trafficking is not taken seriously enough.
Kate, 38, is now considering leaving her job as a GP to campaign full-time.
A family friend said: “They have come to realise that this is a major issue. If they can act as figureheads then that’s all well and good.
McCanns forced to consider documentary bids and interviews
Madeleine McCann: the global reaction
The forgotten victim in the McCann case
Pictures: searching for Madeleine-->
Video: McCann family start holiday
Kate said last week, ‘This is my job now. I can see this becoming my full-time career, with this whole issue of child welfare and opposing paedophiles’.”
Her plans come after meeting child welfare groups and politicians on trips to European capitals.
The McCanns hope to lobby politicians to create an international system that would alert police, media and the public within hours of a child going missing. In Madeleine’s case, border posts were not told until 12 hours after her abduction.
John McCann, Madeleine’s uncle, said: “We are at the stage where we’re feeling comfortable about broadening the issue. Criminal abductions of children are happening fairly regularly across the world. It’s horrible. It’s a political issue that’s low on the agenda but should be higher.”
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A documentary on ITV March 28, 2008 Kate and Gerry McCann participate in a documentary on ITV. As we announced, in short, yesterday, the parents of Madeleine took part in a television documentary to mark the commemoration of the first anniversary of the disappearance of their daughter. The cameras followed the couple since January. In the documentary, the couple spoke at length about Madeleine, in the evening where she disappeared, their status "arguidos" in Portugal and their decision to return to Britain. Parents have received no compensation for their participation in this one-hour programme on ITV. The chain, instead of paying parents to pay £ 10,000 to the Fund To Find Madeleine. They also filmed a campaign to introduce a warning system in Europe, when a child disappears, in the style of Amber system in the USA. This system would allow the authorities to demand airtime for television and radio each time a child disappears ... (Editor's note: we imagine that would only involve alerting proven cases of abduction by a stranger ... otherwise, nothing in Belgium, excluding all fugues of a minor, there were 451 record parental abductions last year ... If the European Amber system is not limited to only one or kidnappings by strangers, it would, Belgium, a little more than one alert per day! As France is 80 times larger than Belgium, the calculation is done quickly ... if we implement everything at the European level ... we will be faced with several daily alerts). Kate and Gerry were filmed in their home in Leicestershire Rothley and the cameras should accompany them to Washington in the United States, where the couple plans to continue their campaign. ITV cameras will also be present in Brussels when the parents of Madeleine will defend the project. The producer Mentorn media, Steve Anderson, said: "In the midst of the controversy, it must not be forgotten is that small is still missing and that his family has done its best to find . They are determined to do all they can to ensure that what happened to Madeleine does not happen to another child. "
271 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 271 of 271Hi, Lux.
Yes. Fraud, e.g money laundering or organised crime of some sort.
Perverting the course of justice by way of intimidating witnesses or bribing witnesses, perhaps?
Hey Atardi
How are you??
No Joke I have been on a De Tox for 5 days (The Lemon Diet)...
Off of it today and have eaten soup and vegatables (no chips yet) feel great just got to try and stay away from chocolate for a few days....
How are you are you having a nice weekend??? xxx
Hi Lux
Thanks for your explanation, understood.
It is natural that many people cannot quite make up their mind about the McCanns, just the same as it is natural that their behaviour provokes in all of us a serious unease.
Viv x
Viv,
But next thursday will be very hard for her. Because the whole world will be watching/hearing her in a different way than last year.
Lux,
I understand how you feel, but perhaps this is a moment in time when honest inquiry must look at facts, inconvenient truths, uncomfortable things.
Lux: honest inquiry will always be difficult. That's no reason for honest people to abandon their hearts, and minds, in my opinion.
Eyes wide open. No one owns you or me.
IMO, honest inquirers will disagree sometimes over the minutae of something. We will always agree to disagree if we disagree; we will always pursue the truth, without fear or favour, however long it takes.
Respect, Lux. It's a rough old world, but maybe sometimes, we can respect each others' desire to know the truth, even when we disagree over the minutae.
Just a though. One opinion.
Best wishes,
Leigh
Hiya Atardi
Last year she presented as very meek, compliant and quite often afraid. It will be interesting to see if she has honed her skills, I do recall when she walked out of Portmao police station she actually showed far greater strength than Gerry, sheer defiance, whereas, he looked close to tears..for the first time ever, very telling I thought!
Hiya Leigh
I find it fascinating to see the varying opinions on the minutiae because that is what we do not know, the police do, we are naturally curious and develop our own thoughts in accordance with our own values and life experiences. Reading this blog does give an insight into cosmopolitan human nature, even though, in the main, we are all on the same side, the side of the little angel, Madeleine McCann and finding out what really did happen to her.
Night all I am off to bed see you soon xxx
Viv you have mail take care xxx
Good Evening All,
Just been catching up on some back posts. I see it’s mentioned that the Brussels meeting will be next Thursday. Clarence says its just a co-incidence that the Mcs intend to leave the country when the pj arrive. I think it’s just the Mcs sticking two fingers up at the pj. Was watching earlier a film called “Phonebooth” the lead actor says “It’s the victims that get forgotten only the killers that become famous”. Well ain’t that the truth.
Lux,
Thank you for persevering. I apologise for misunderstanding your first post. My fault, entirely.
Your mind is your own, and personally, I'm better off for reading what you said, particularly regarding S.O.C.A. Very generous of you to persevere, imo.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Perhaps sometimes we will agree or disagree. Facts inform opinion, regardless of opinion, I think.
Ta.
Leigh
Wizard:
'...ain't that the truth...', and yet there's always room for surprise in this weary old world, I think :-)
Time, and perseverance - an ace copy combination!
Nice to see you, as ever.
leigh
3A’s are saying Sky News has just said the Daily Express are saying that 60 people are to be interviewed.
Hi Viv,
I agree: it's fascinating. UK Editors decided that their publications must go online in order to retain circulation.
Personally, I think that this is the first time that they have seen the public for what the public truly are: intelligent, thoughtful, disparate...all of them are natural journalists by nature: inquiring minds, willing to pursue the truth, wherever it leads, however long it takes.
Phew! That's something publishers didn't expect :-) That's something the world is better off for seeing, in my not so humble opinion. Hey. Some things never change. I don't :-), eh chica? Neither will you.
For better or worse.
Lux.
All respect to you, Lux, for persevering with us when English is your second language. Most of us in the West only have our native language.
Perhaps the internet will change us all for the better. We do so wish to communicate with each other, I think. Our shared values are more important than our mere politicians, yes?
By the way: I'm sorry for misunderstanding your first post. Truly, I am.
See you soon! Thank you for the information.
When I consider the McCann supporters I think of them being blinkered and not wanting to see the truth. Why I mention this is recently Viv was replying to one of my posts regarding why Madeleine’s body would need to be hidden if it had been an accident. I was reading her reply and agreeing with it until I came to one of the possibilities being to hide previous signs of neglect, abuse. This is a very feasibly theory but I pushed it away and didn’t consider it further. I had thought sometime ago this was a possibility but had push it away.
Is this just a case of not wanting to believe this, in a very similar way to the McCanns supporters.
Hi Wizard,
UK Press reported last year that more than the Tapas7 would be interviewed again, ie UK Government staff in Portugal at the relevant time, McCann family and friends, and latterly, their paid servants.
This ongoing investigation is certainly unique; very 21st Century.
Some people would tell us that 'perception is reality'. I say: file the writ or...off!
Hi Leigh,
The pj were reported as coming to England and staying as long as 2 months if necessary. It was reported more recenty they were only staying for 3 days and interviewing 14 people. Now the Express is reporting 60 people. Surely that would take weeks rather than days.
22.51 Wizard.
Child neglect and abuse is the silent crime; not something any kind soul would want to contemplate.
Children can't vote; they can't earn an income; they are politically and economically irrelevant.
No wonder politicians defend the voting, economically productive sections of society.
No wonder the McCanns have preferential treatment among their 'friends' in the UK Government, and their 'friends of friends' in the media.
No wonder. Tis only a wonder that children have anyone defending their interests, I think.
Bon soir Lux.
I think President Sarkozy will court his people's will. Egalite, liberte, fraternite. The French taught the world that :-) May it ever be so, I hope.
It will only be so if the people persist, and insist.
So we will, across continents if necessary. Our values matter more than mere political convenience, I think.
Very true Leigh. Earlier Icanthinkofaname was quoting Joseph Goebbels of all people when he said. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. I sincerely hope this will not be the case here.
Hello, guys!
What's new?
Olá, querida Viv! :-)
Viv,
I know your very busy but if you have time to read and answer my mail to you I would appreciate it very much.
Hope,
I made 2 large posts to you. Both got lost. Will speak to you tomorrow.
Sleep tight.
I didn't think the Express would touch the McCann case for a while - but its back on the front page of the Sunday Express "Maddy 60 Face Quiz by Police." It will be interesting to see how pro McCann this article is - or is not. Could be an indicator of how the wind is blowing.
Lux:
Our dream, and our reality, one day :-) even if it means it is the legacy bestowed upon future generations.
Liberte, egalite, fraternite.
Voltaire wished it so, so who am I to disagree?!!!
x
Leigh
60 people did I read the post right to be interviewed? Everybody and the kitchen sink and his brother bar the 2 prime suspects, makes it all rather pointless IMO and perfunctory, I dont believe it. If true its done to confuse the PJ probably with witnesses for the McCanns I'll bet?. I do think that SOCA will be needed either. Its just the papers and Sky trying to get a big spin.
Hi Wizard,
The McCanns took £600K from the Daily Express in an out of court settlement of their alleged libel.
I know you know that. Just flagging it up out of mischief.
£600K is a cheap price for increased circulation. It's a very unwise settlement for the claimants. They will pay that back in triplicate, imo.
Libel law is a nasty place for nasty people. Only take on the UK Press if you are telling the truth.
The McCanns failed to answer every question put to them by the Portuguese Police; they hired expensive PR mechanics, and lawyers in libel and extradition.
Now why would parents do that?
By the way: don't you think 9 is an odd number? I do.
Hi again Lux,
Candide: '...in the best of all possible worlds...'
Candide represented the naiive, but Voltaire was wise, in my opinion.
The best of all possible worlds can only come about if tender hearted, TOUGH minded people pursue truth, wherever it leads, without fear or favour.
Just a thought. Vive la Republic :-)
Hi Joe,
What you or I believe will not alter the facts of this case.
This is an ongoing investigation. Tabloid talk of Tapas9 is woefully inept.
There's much more to this than that.
Leigh, I think 9 could have been10. If there were 10 perhaps one of the 9 had somebody else’s husband with them? The erring husband would have left pretty sharp when he knew what was going down to avoid his wife finding out.
Lux,
'Let's hope lots of Candides produce lots of baby Candies!:-)'
I agree with your statement, but of course, it can only happen if we protect every child; if every adult thinks of every child as a gift for now, and the future.
Egalite por les enfants. A dream worth fighting for, Lux :-)
Yes, Wizard. I agree.
'What a wicked web we weave when first we practise to deceive.'
Tis a pitiful shame when an entire country is drawn into intrigue for the sake of errant 'friends of friends', lying over the body of one dead girl, aged 3.
Better the truth is told slowly and accurately than quickly, in my opinion, however long it takes.
Hiya all
Just popped out for a bit and have now read the interesting posts I missed
Ola querida Claudia:-)
I find Wizard's comments below very interesting. I think there has been an awful lot of evidence on both sides, including on this blog tonight, where people just not wish to face the awful reality of what we may be looking right at in the McCanns case. Does it destroy our comfortable notions of how middle class doctors would really behave? Do we have some idealised view that somehow such people just could not behave in this way. I would say that damage through upbringing can happen in all walks of life and Kate and Gerry do not seem to have come from comfortable middle class backgrounds anyway. We have examples of other medical professionals behaving in a seriously controlling and criminal way, e.g. Dr Shipman and Nurse Alitt who killed many patients. Is it all just too unfomfortable to try and accept that child abuse is not simply a disease of the poor, many children are seriously suffering in the UK.
I have just been reading our most Senior Family Judge in the UK he says this which I think has direct links to the sort of treatment Kate and Gerry were meting out to their children whilst supposedly on holiday, a complete fragmentation of what we understand to be normal family life for children, and what hope for their own future when they get such an upbringing, was dumping them day and night doing anything to make them feel safe, happy, loved and protected. What are parents who treat their children in this way really thinking about, and what has happened to them to make them this way themselves?
The Judge: (a government spokesman denies there is any substance in his remarks, demonstrating a continuing unwillness on the part of government to address serious social problems affecting the welfare of children in the UK) During a conference speech in Brighton, Family Division judge Mr Justice Coleridge warned the breakdown of the family would, within 20 years, "be as marked and as destructive as global warming".
The judge, 58, said that in urban areas family life was "in meltdown or completely unrecognisable".
He said children born into broken homes were increasingly turning to drink, drugs and crime, and the results were affecting the mental health of parents and children across the country.
Venting his personal views, which he maintained many in the family law profession supported, he added: "In some of the more heavily-populated urban areas of the country family life is, quite frankly, in meltdown or completely unrecognisable."
"In some areas of the country, even including the more urban parts of the sleepy west in which I operate, family life in the old sense no longer exists.
"So I suggest the general collapse of ordinary family life, because of the breakdown of families, in this country is on a scale, depth and breadth which few of us could have imagined even a decade ago."
He said he was not criticising single parents and praised some of them. He said: "I am not saying every broken family produces dysfunctional children but I am saying that almost every dysfunctional child is the product of a broken family."
Wizard said:
Viv was replying to one of my posts regarding why Madeleine’s body would need to be hidden if it had been an accident. I was reading her reply and agreeing with it until I came to one of the possibilities being to hide previous signs of neglect, abuse. This is a very feasibly theory but I pushed it away and didn’t consider it further. I had thought sometime ago this was a possibility but had push it away.
Is this just a case of not wanting to believe this, in a very similar way to the McCanns supporters.
Lux,
You are right again. The media now routinely talk of 'missing', 'disappeared', 'vanished'. They rarely talk of abduction.
Slowly, slowly, the truth comes out. There's more than one way to reveal the truth, however long it takes.
Another quote you might like: Voltaire said: 'Kill the infamous thing.'
He was talking about politics. His words echo down the centuries :-)
M'Lud Coleridge is right, in my humble opinion.
Politicians will ignore or demean his views because he speaks for the truth rather than serving petty, sectional interest.
His views were prioritised in The Times of London today. His views had little attention elsewhere.
I cannot see anything in the Express about 60 people being interviewed.
My most recent understanding is the Portuguese Police's main interest is in the TAPAS 7, not surprisingly because proving their lies is what their whole case hinges on. All the other witnesses to be interviewed have been entrusted to the work of British Police and the Portuguese police are not so ocncerned about wanting to witness this.
What they Portuguese police want to do is watch the reactions of the TAPAS 7 when those awkward questions are put to them, then they can judge how they would perform in court and whether they are likely to be considered truthful witnesses or blatant liars. This is extremely important to the Prosecution case and whether or not it will succeed.
Oui, Lux.
Some want too much in too short a time.
Voltaire, Sartre, et Baudelaire etcetera... c'est vrais.
Time tells all, in time :-) Only fools rush.
I would rather the truth be told about 'missing' Madeleine Beth McCann, however long it takes, wherever it leads.
Hiya Lux
I followed the link and guess what "article missing". I think the Daily Express like to play little games!
The Express after discussing the proposed T7 interviews by the pj say
“Then officers will switch their attention to three separate bands of witnesses who have been singled out by Gerry and Kate McCann as vital.”
I would love to know how G & K can say they are vital – clutching at straws imo.
I was wondering earlier if this article was to be pro – or anti McCann – well I think it is certainly anti Tanner as it picks out the flaws in her statement and highlights the fact, yet again, her partner was missing when Madeleine disappeared.
Viv, Sunday Express article copied below in full.
Maddy: Missing since May 3 last year
Sunday April 6,2008
By Matt Drake
Have your say(2)
Up to 60 witnesses will be questioned by police in Britain over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
A series of intensive interviews will start this week after a three-man team of senior Portuguese detectives fly into Leicestershire tomorrow.
The trio, led by Paulo Rebelo, the chief investigator in the case, will begin by supervising the quizzing of key witness Jane Tanner.
Ms Tanner, 36, claimed she saw a man carrying a girl from the McCanns’ holiday apartment in the Algarve at about 9.15pm.
Yet another witness says he was outside the flat in Praia da Luz at the same time but did not see her or the mystery man.
After Ms Tanner’s interview, British police, supervised by the Portuguese, will spend three days speaking to remaining members of the Tapas Seven who were dining with Madeleine’s parents when she vanished.
No lawyers will be present and friends of the group stressed they are meeting the police voluntarily. They have been warned to expect lengthy bouts of questioning.
The group were all dining with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night their daughter vanished on May 3 last year in Praia da Luz.
Ms Tanner’s partner Dr Russell O’Brien, 36, from Exeter, was away from the group tending to his sick daughter in the period when Madeleine was snatched.
Dr Matthew Oldfield, 37, a hospital consultant from London, and his wife Rachel, 36, a recruitment consultant, were also at the tapas restaurant.
David Payne, 41, a cardiovascular researcher from Leicester, was the final person, apart from the McCann family, to see Madeleine. His wife, Fiona, 34, and her mother, Diane Webster, will also be questioned by police in Leicester.
Then officers will switch their attention to three separate bands of witnesses who have been singled out by Gerry and Kate McCann as vital.
As arguidos, or official suspects, the couple have the right to demand that certain individuals be seen by police if they are believed to hold relevant information. Despite plans for the Portuguese investigators to return home on Friday, British police will mount a full-scale operation in which more than 50 more witnesses will be interviewed. These will include other guests who were staying at the resort, Ocean Club apartments staff and holidaymakers staying nearby.
Relatives of the McCanns who visited the Algarve in the weeks after she went missing are understood to be on the list, as are their current spokesman Clarence Mitchell and his predecessor Justine McGuiness.
Two sisters who were puzzled by a blond pair of men in their 30s acting strangely at the resort hours before Madeleine went missing are on the interview list.
Jayne Jensen, 54, and Annie Wiltshire, 58, said one of the men standing outside the patio doors started to walk down a flight of steps.
But when he was seen by divorced mum-of-two Annie, from Maidstone, he retraced his steps and began talking to his friend.
Yesterday the McCanns made an emotional plea to Portuguese detectives to clear them in time for the one year anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance.
Madeleine’s parents, both 39, hope the unprecedented move to question their friends in Britain will mark an end to their seven-month ordeal as suspects.
The couple are desperate to return to Praia da Luz to mark the tragic date with a renewed appeal for information which could unlock the mystery surrounding what happened.
Clarence Mitchell confirmed that Kate and Gerry want detectives to lift their arguido status and reveal any evidence they hold.
He said they will not return to the Algarve while they are still suspects.
He said: “Kate and Gerry want to return to Praia da Luz to reinvigorate our campaign to find Madeleine.”
Hi Wizard,
I think Viv will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you say about the DE article indicates that there may be a 'cut throat' defence coming up.
It's a well known ploy among guilty parties who seek to blame others in order to 'save their own necks', so to speak.
Criminal court or libel court. I am convinced that this sorry, sad case will wind up in court, eventually.
Ta for highlighting the latest issue, Wizard. On and on this goes...
Bon soir, Lux. Am happy to alight the stairs with your inspirational words in mind.
Justice. May it be so, however long it takes :-)
Leigh
it looks like a lot of witneses for the McCanns in that lot. No lawyers either,must not be expecting an revelations then if thats true as well. If the Tapas are crucial to the case why no lawyers especially if PJ believe they know something? Most odd
Thanks very much Wizard
So British Police must trawl through endless witnesses seemingly with nothing more to offer than I saw a 30 year old blong man walk down some steps and then walk back up again. What a wicked waste of time!
However, some of the witnesses clearly could be very useful indeed including family members, Clarence Mitchell, Justine McGuinness and the Psychologist. Will the family members explain how Gerry told them the window had been "jemmied" and the shutters damaged, or will they get a bit conflicting like the TAPAS.
Nanny Pennington will be an interesting one. She has said she has experienced parents who lost their child before, but never has she seen a parent completely losing it like Kate McCann, I am not sure that will be helpful to Kate.
Another sad and disastrous strategy, brought on by sheer desperation at their position by the looks of things. Presumably the Daily Express got their facts straight about "60" but I guess even if they did not the McCanns are hardly likely to sue them for saying that!
Hiya Joe
The reason no lawyers will be present is because as witnesses they are not entitled to have lawyers present. This is a human rights safeguard afforded to criminal suspects only in the same way that only suspects have the right to silence, witnesses do not, they could be charged with obstructing/perverting the course of justice, if they had tried to refuse to answer police questions concerning such a serious case of a missing child, on the evidence available, dead and unlawfully killed.
Hi Joe,
Quitely frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. :-)
The McCanns and some of their friends committed a crime in a fellow European country, and these teeny tiny provincial nobodies from Leics have offended the UK, and our European partners.
The German magazine Stern is very influential in Europe's biggest economy. The French are very influential in the European Parliament.
The UK apologists for the McCanns and their supporters are tiresome bores; the wunderkind of a very insignificant place in time.
The McCanns invited by UK politicians to speak at a staged interview AFTER next week's serious European Parliament discussion on an Amber Alert system will only belittle themselves, and the UK.
Cheers! Brits get the politics and the doctors they deserve, imo.
BTW: I'm very Anglo Saxon and Basque. So my disgust with the UK response to the McCann machine of media manipulators is philosophical, not provincial.
Tsk. Petty provincialism. Such a bore.
I hope that the Police take a dim view of all the time wasters and possible false witnesses in that lot. Its done to confuse the whole issue and cause delay delay delay. As I said earlier the 2 stars themselves cannot make a personal appearance but get other people to talk for them.
Hiya Joe
It is a legitimate way to try and defend a criminal case when all else fails of trying to establish an element of doubt. The reason for this is simple. The prosecution have to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt and so if the McCanns can in some way create that element of doubt by suggesting an abduction was possible then they would be entitled to expect an acquittal.
But there is the rub, their witnesses are quite simply PATHETIC. Two tennis playing sisters who saw a couple of blond men, one walked down the stairs and then walked back up again. Granny Cooper, two weeks before the McCanns even arrived she saw a man walking on the beach in the rain and then he even knocked her door collecting for charity. Would any of this credibly suggest that Madeleine was abducted, what a load of old baloney. Where is the evidence of any abductor jemmying the windows and climbing through like Gerry McCann said, there is none! But there is very powerful evidence their friends tried to stitch up a perfectly innocent man who Gerry refused to confirm or deny he already knew.
It is quite sad and desperate and a shocking waste of police time but hey we must respect their rights under Portuguese law to waste police time!
Thanks Viv/Leigh3 for the info. That makes sense about the lack of lawyers
I read in the week that the PJ were only going to sit in on the Tapas interviews and leave the rest to the British Police.
What would any Policeman think of 2 people who could help but decline and they are supposed to take their witnesses seriously, I do not think so.
Hiya Joe
Who in their right mind would take Jane Tanner seriously. Originally he was going in one direction and she was not even sure he was carrying a child, the indetikit was a picture of eggman. Then he was going in the direction of Murat's villa. Then he looked nothing like Murat and he has massive teeth and it was definitely a child, wearing Maddie's PJs in fact it was Maddie!
No wonder they want to deal with her first, that should put the fear of God up the rest of them and their silly lies x I am sure she will be crying on the phone to them...
Night night Viv and Joe. Must go.
By the way, there is only one UK charity run by the British police. It is called 'Child Victims of Crime'.
When the McCanns ran back to this country, they walked straight into the lion's den, in my opinion.
This takes as long as it takes. It's not over yet.
xo
leigh
Spot on Viv, its all shallow when as I said they themselves say nothing. Any prosecutor would say that they want to create an alternative scenarion,i.e abduction but avoid the other scenario completely.
I am back re SOCA possible presence, I have just found a more simple explanation in case it would happen:the CEOP (Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre) is affiliated to SOCA. I guess such a presence would have nothing to do with fraud but with chil protection.
Now I am off.
Good night x
Good night to you all and thanks for your great contribution on here tonight
I just cleaned the kitchen, splendid!
Viv x
Well done, Lux, but SOCA focus on organised crime, and CEOP would only be drawn in under that remit.
There is no evidence of an abduction in the case of 'missing' Madeleine Beth McCann.
There is evidence of child neglect, and there is an ongoing investigation into other offences.
SOCA and CEOP only get involved if there is enough evidence to warrant scrutiny of suspected serious crime of an organised nature involving many people.
Goodnight Viv et bon soir Lux...til next time.
Hiya again Leigh
Just scanning some of their loopy comments where they are even stupid enough to brag about how they post on this site under their numerous silly names.. Now who's a clever little prat then "Calcite", did you get the usual big slap on the back? Mind you from what I just seen I could understand you getting a little bored..does anyone actually read what JaneGt writes?
calcite51 said...
The other blog probably have me on ignore. I think I got deleted the other day when Viv was complaining to Mark55 about his negative attitude and questions he was asking the blog. mark came back telling Viv she was very rude - and I of course being demure and oh, so quiet wrote that I agreed with Mark and that Viv was definitely being aggressive and rude.
and then we have the parenting style...(!) sit blogging, god knows what little boy is doing and then give him a big smack, almost..caring pet owner too..ummm I can see why these people can see no wrong in Kate and Gerry..
dianeh said...
Hi China
Im still here, just had to run off as little boy had escaped into the front yard (someone left gate open from front verandah) and I found him alternatively filling up the dogs food tub (dry food) with sand and eating said dog food.
And when I picked him up, I got the biggest hug. Probably just distracting me from giving him a big smack. Well it worked. Poor dogs have to put up with sand in their dry food now for a few weeks.
Viv, Viv, Viv
What a fool you are and constantly doing more and more to prove it. Commenting about my parenting style and my apparent lack of supervision of my children is just purely ridiculous. With nothing to go on but your own lame imagination, you have taken what is meant to be a little family tale and tried to turn it into something sinister.
I will let in on a few little secrets
My front yard is fully fenced with pool fencing because I live on a river and dont wish to loose my children to drowning.
Little boy was on his own for about 5 minutes in a fully fenced yard which he cannot get out of.
We keep him out of the front yard because he likes to play in the dog pooh, dog food and eat sand. He is after all a normal 2 you boy.
My partner, who is a very caring person did acknowledge that he had left the gate open but hey, it was an internal gate, into a fully fenced yard. So shoot him.
I believe in smacking, I find reasoning with a 2 yo to be a waste of time. But I luckily usually only have to give a tap on the nappy to get what I want. No pain involved. I dont believe in giving a child a hiding. But I also believe that a parent does their children no favours by not discplining the children and teaching them how to behave. Even when the child is only 2.
And unlike you, who keeps a parrot in a cage, which I personally believe to be an abhorrent thing to do to any bird, let alone a parrot, I have two beautiful dogs that are well looked after. A bit of dirt in their dry food wont hurt, after all Cassie tips her dry food on the ground before she eats it, so what is the difference.
You're pathetic little attempt at smears just embarass you, not me. I am confortable in the knowledge that I have two beautiful, smart, well adjusted, well behaved children who are well looked after and liked by everyone that meets them.
You, what do you have, nothing but a twisted vile outlook on life and an inability to tell fantasy from reality. You jump to conclusion all the time, stupid conclusions at that, as evidenced by your comments about me and my parenting skills. No evidence,nothing except a little story about my morning which you blow out of all proportion.
Truly pathetic.
I expect you will delete this, so am posting onto ST's blog as well.
I will leave your comments because they demonstrate what an abusive little bully you are who smacks a two year old and let his eat dog muck and food.
If you check the pic of my parrot you will see he is on a cage, not in it, in fact there are two joined together. I also pointed out to you on the other thread Gerry IS NOT A HEART SURGEON
You are an ignorant bully who does even trouble to get your facts straight. If I knew who you were and your address I would not hesitate to report you for child abuse.
Viv,
There are a lot of weirdos in the Australian outback or out in the bush. The reason is that they have values and/or lifestyles that would be considered unacceptable or oddball in more mainstream society, so like to "get away from it all" where they can indulge their nut-case ideals to their heart's content!
Case in point: There is nothing "cute" or anecdotal about a child eating dog poo. Sure, accidents happen, but the parent should be berating themselves and walking with their tail between their legs; not celebrating it like it is something joyous or "funny". There are insects and disease in dog faeces - nothing "cute" about that, and I have to wonder if this parent even took their kid to the GP??
As for smacking, I agree with it, but NEVER more than a quick thwack, and NEVER to a child under six (a two year old is still a baby, and simply does not the cognitive understanding to appreciate cause and effect. They don't understand "naughty" or good and bad. They are just themselves, exploring their world in still very embryonic stages. So if you smack them they simply will not understand why. They will be confused and alienated and possibly physically hurt. They don't understand that they've been "naughty" because they don't even know what "naughty" is! This is a concept for older children, not an infant.
Viv,
Just wanted to add "a tap on the nappy" [Quoting Diane H] says it all! She may not think she is doing anything wrong, but if a child is still at the nappy stage, then they are obviously still a baby, and therefore, far too tiny to smack! Not only will it confuse and scare them, but as they are so little, the message you are trying to give them (by smacking them) will not get through anyway!
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