SOME FLYING PENGUINS IN HONOUR OF ONE OF MY FAVOURITES CONTRIBUTORS LGC AND FOR ITS DEEP SYMBOLIC MEANING.Philomena's false claims, the next day confirmed to be false by Kate's lawyer who warned her you may be charged..Kate was asked did you kill her, did you sedate her? 22 difficult questions for Kate, the next day, as an Arguida...
I recall there being reports of a syringe being found..blood spray?
No wonder the family got Philomena to just shut up!
On one of The Telegraph links going back to September it says:
Salacious reports of blood spots, intercepted phone calls and child sedation so far have been dismissed as nothing more than libellous slurs by the McCann family.
Ummmm, libellous eh?? We will see about that...(!)
Susan Healey, Kate McCann's mother:
"Anybody who knows Kate and Gerry knows it is absolutely ludicrous; I just can't describe it any other way.
"Kate and Gerry are relying on the Portuguese police but there is an uncomfortable feeling that they are not necessarily looking outwards for Madeleine but towards them.
"There are some questions which the Portuguese police are not allowed to ask unless the suspect has been charged.
"Kate and Gerry will answer any questions, it is in their own interests.
THEN WHY DONT THEY MRS HEALY? That is what we would all really like to know
WE would also like to you ask you why it took you such an agonisingly long moment to explain what Kate sounded like on the telephone to you when you appeared on Panorama, what were you afraid to tell us, Mrs Healy? Then you just told us "well she was upset obviously" UPSET??
Why do you think she was asking you to get in touch with the Priest Mrs Healy, did that make your heart run cold? What were thinking when she asked for that Mrs Healy?
"But I don't know if either of them has asked to be made a suspect." continued Mrs Healy...
In the Daily Mail there was an article Madeleine: Parents should be charged with killing daugther says Police
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480915&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true
guess what happens when you click on the link for that story "article missing"....
I do not believe the Mail and the Express just made all these stories up, do you?
Freedom of the Press to tell it like it it? What happened to that?
Viv x
Kate McCann accused of killing MadeleineBy Caroline Gammell in Portimao and Gordon Rayner
Last Updated: 2:26am BST 12/09/2007
Kate McCann has been warned she could be charged with the "accidental" killing of her daughter Madeleine after Portuguese police directly asked her whether she was behind the toddler's disappearance.
The claims and the case for the defence
Shocked response from friends and family
Full coverage: The search for Madeleine McCann
In an extraordinary twist, Mrs McCann's family said detectives now believed she caused the four-year-old's death in their holiday apartment, then hid the body before returning a month later to dispose of it.
Video: Crowds gathered to support - and jeer - Kate McCann as she returned to the police station in Portimao today
It was claimed that police had offered Mrs McCann a "deal" of a two-year jail sentence if she confessed and told them where the body was.
The astonishing developments followed the discovery of blood in a car the McCanns hired four weeks after Madeleine's disappearance 128 days ago, which police believe proves Mrs McCann killed Madeleine.
The allegation was dismissed as "ludicrous" by Mrs McCann's husband Gerry, while her parents said the police investigation had become "a joke".
Mrs McCann was declared a formal suspect, or "arguida" by police, who spent a second day questioning her in the Algarve town of Portimao before releasing her without charge five hours later.
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Mr McCann was also questioned, but remains a witness rather than a suspect.
Mrs McCann has been warned by her lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu to be prepared for the fact she might now be arrested and charged.
A family spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, revealed that Mrs McCann had been asked outright if she had killed her daughter, and was "shocked and angry" at the allegation, which she emphatically denied.
Miss McGuinness said: "They believe they have evidence to show that in some way she's involved in the death of her daughter, which of course is completely ludicrous.
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Timeline of Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Video: Kate McCann re-interviewed
"They have suggested that blood has been found in a hire car that they hired 25 days after Madeleine was taken. How on earth could you hide a body for that long? We are in a hot climate.
"When this was put to Kate she was very taken aback. It was the first time she had heard the allegation and she actually swore at police."
Mr McCann's sister, Philomena, later revealed the plea bargain offered by detectives.
Interactive graphic: The disappearance of Madeleine
She said: "They tried to get Kate to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer, which was 'if you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and then disposed of the body, then we can grant you a two-year jail sentence or even less. You may get off because people feel sorry for you'."
According to one report, the police asked Mrs McCann, a doctor, whether she had sedated her daughter, leading to speculation that detectives think she may have accidentally given Madeleine an overdose.
Mr McCann, 39, expressed his own frustrationin his blog on the Madeleine campaign website, saying: "We will fight this all the way."
Police had told Mrs McCann before she went for questioning that they had 22 "difficult" questions to put to her further to the information she had given them during 11 hours of questioning on Thursday.
Whistles and jeers mingled with shouts of support as she arrived at the police station today carrying Madeleine's favourite toy, cuddle cat.
799 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 799 Newer› Newest»Hey docmac
Nice to see you too! :-)
Docmac,
I know you are a doctor , but why bother ?
One Child neglecter fan less !
Doc, sleep tight, daaarrrllliiinnnggg! Luv ya. mwah mwah mwah.
Boa Noite,Docmac.
Docmac,
Heathrow, eh? Well British Airways have thoughtfully designed a whole new terminal for those who don't like flying. It has one simple premise - no planes take off or land at it!
And if they do, passengers don't have to worry about any of that luggage-lugging malarky, 'cos all the cases have been sent to Italy! (By road. Hmm).
See how your flying nightmares are diminished piece by piece?
In all seriousness, Rescue Remedy is good, and even better when mixed with a large G&T! Did I tell you already that I went out with a pilot once (just the once, mind!) who told me that nothing much worried him about flying - it's the safest form of travel there is. A few days later I flew to California without so much as a sip of Rescue Remedy OR any alcohol. Amazing to those who know me.
I also have a friend who works as long-haul cabin crew, and I always think he - and thousands of others - wouldn't do the job, let alone adore doing it, if it was dangerous.
Don't know if this will help, but hope it does...
:)
Goodnight from me as well,Claudia,Ana
Alsabella, so good to see you are fine
Docmac,
Forgot - should you resuscitate? Hmm.
I'm not a doctor, but is it not the case that you need a heart to have a cardiac arrest? Problem solved!
Shannon Stepdad Faces Charges
Updated:00:03, Thursday April 03, 2008
Craig Meehan, the stepfather of Shannon Matthews, has been charged with 10 offences of possessing indecent images of children.
The 22-year-old was arrested at Shannon's home in Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire.
Filthy animal,that he is.
Charged: Craig MeehanMore follows...
Sherbet LGC, I thought you had gone. You still there? I have a penguin story for you.
southerncross,
Boa noite.
Dolores, it seems that that filthy creature (I can't compare him to animals) doesn't have many friends...
Thanks Southerncross.
Docmac,
Still here...
LGC (sensitive viewers skip to the next post)
A vacationing penguin is driving through Arizona when he
notices that the oil-pressure light is on. He gets out to
look and sees oil dripping out of the motor. He drives to
the nearest town and stops at the first gas station. After
dropping the car off, the penguin goes for a walk around
town.
He sees an ice-cream shop and, being a penguin in
Arizona, decides that something cold would really hit the
spot. He gets a big bowl of vanilla ice cream and sits down
to eat. Having no hands, he makes real mess trying to eat
with his little flippers.
After finishing his ice cream, he
goes back to the gas station and asks the mechanic if he's
found the problem. The mechanic looks up and says, "It
looks like you´ve blown a seal."
"No, no," the penguin replies, "it's just ice cream."
:-)))
Southerncross, I had one for you too. Remind me next time.
Well, doc, now you have put me in a difficult position (so to speak). Should I delete that? ;-)
Luved it! :-)
Docmac,
I didn't see that one coming! (as it were)
It's very good!
Don't know if Opus would understand it - might save it until he's a little older...
Very funny though. Off to tell The Husband now...
Sleep well,
:))
Claudia, you just keep your difficult positions between you and Paulo C. I'm not into yoga :-)
Pull the trigger if you want.
Boa noite all, again!
How dare you, you lucky bastard who lives in paradise?
I'm not into yoga, either! :p
Trigger pulled!
Boa noite. Dorme bem. No beijinhos tonight!
LGc, very best of luck with that scope tomorrow, remember ask for plenty of midazolam!!! Its a bit of an amnesiac so we wil be most tolerant with you when you return!
Hiya again guys just dropped in for a quick look.
Claudia I hope you enjoyed zapping Supertroll every bit as much as I do. Superb work darling.
Luv Viv x
Out to bed now :)
Boa noite a todos.
Bjinhos
Hi Viv
How are you?
Boa Noite Ana
Ana, Claudia and anyone still around
Boa Noite
(Good Night)
Dorme bem
(Sleep well)
com amor
(with love)
vivxxxxxxx
Truly International on here!
Hurry up lovely PJs!!
Alsabella, lovely to hear from you again, i hope you and your family are keeping well.
Hiya Alsabella
I am good thanks and hope you are too.
Just a bit snowed under with some legal work.
com amor and great to hear from you as ever darling
Viv xxxxxxxx
Viv, slán agus codlath sámh libh go léir, beidh mé ag léamh arís amarach. Truly international now !!!
Hey, querida amiga Viv!
Almost falling asleep here! :-)
Coming across ST is like stepping on a bit of that smelly stuff. Annoying but after it happens, you have to get rid of it. Fast! ;-)
Luv your international side! :-)
xxxx
Hello Isis, hope all is well with you. :-)
Querida amigas
What a laugh Justice for the McCann family is open to invited readers only. So, finally, they give up!
So much for publicising the innocence of Kate and Gerry McCann!
This blog remains open for all to read, we have nothing at all to hide xxxxxx
Viv
I for one am thrilled they closed it. That way they won't be influencing anyone other than their already distorted group with their codswallop!
The stepfather of Shannon Matthews, the schoolgirl who went missing for 24 days, has been charged with 10 offences of possessing indecent images of children.
Craig Meehan, 22, was arrested at Shannon's home in Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire, and will appear before Dewsbury Magistrates' Court tomorrow morning.
Charged: Craig MeehanA West Yorkshire Police spokesman said: "A 22-year-old man has been charged with 10 specimen offences of possession of indecent images of children.
"In relation to the welfare of the family's children, it is being dealt with by social services.
"Police policy is we are not commenting on the welfare of the children."
Shannon was found hidden in the base of a bed in a flat just one mile from her home after a dramatic 24-day search by police.
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She has been in the care of social services since she was discovered at the flat in Lidgate Gardens, Batley Carr, on March 14.
Meehan's uncle, Michael Donovan, 39, who lived at the flat in Batley Carr, was charged with her kidnap and imprisonment.
His trial has been provisionally set for November 11 at Leeds Crown Court.
Fishmonger Meehan has lived with Shannon's mother Karen Matthews, 32, in Moorside Road for around five years.
They share the house with three of Mrs Matthews' children, including Shannon, and the couple's own two-year-old daughter.
Thanks alsabella, im good. Wonder why the other blog is exclusive now. Surely if they were only accepting comments from google accounts they could trace or delete anything that didnt suit them ?
Viv, Alsabella and Isis, like I said, my prayers have been answered. But like I also said, not for long!
Hiya Alsabella
Yes distorted thinking processes spouting codswallop. Nicely put:-)
Must get back to work!
Nite all
Viv xxxxxxx
Isis
Who knows. I don't think even they know. They are trying to act mysterious. Let them be. They need something to entertain themselves with, after all...
And while they are by invitation only, they are not spreading their ridiculous chatter to the rest of the net.
Hi Viv, Claudia, Alsabella, Isis and all else who might still be on, hope you're all fine!
I'm only here to say hello since we're off for breakfast soon. I'm glad to see that "nutters" like the one from today doesn't stop people from posting (even though they obviously stop other blogs from sharing their views with "the public").
xxx
Swedishmum
Hopefully, now they will stay in their corner and stop bothering the other blogs!
I have to go now...See you all soon, I hope.
swedishmum, lovely to see you again, catch up soon. Im gone now, post night duty dementia setting in :))))))
Hello, Swedih Mum. Always a great pleasure seeing you! :-)
Now they are just like they were always supposed to be: isolated and sharing their child neglecter adoration between themselves. :-)
Hope I'll read you soon.
Alsabella,
I seriously doubt that some of them can resist going here -:)
Good to see you, btw.
See you, Alsabella!
xxxx
Sleep well Isis!
Claudia,
yes I can see that you like that they are "all alone" now. I'll be back in Sweden next week and then I'll (hopefully) have more possibilities to post - preferably while the rest of you are on.
That is great news, SM. Not that your vacation is almost over. But that you will post more often! :-)
xxxx
Back again, but not for long ,Just to let you all know, how sick some "people" can be. This was posted in Paulo Reis`s blog
Anonymous said...
Paulo, why are you so two faced ?..........
It was you who pointed the finger at Murat and Malikna was it not.........on the 4th May 2007...
You also said the McCanns had nothing to do with Maddies abduction you said you knew that.....
I don't think you have been off ill Paulo,............. I think you had another blog going till last week and closed it...........
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CÂMBIO, DESLIGO.
Nite
Ana, lolololololol
Nite!
Nite Claudia!
(Off for breakfast now)
xxx
Morning ALL
LGC reading back an although my 147 page form is not completed or aproved yet wanted to say....
If it is today you go for your tests good luck (I am hopeless with dates but thought I read it was)...
If not have a nice day have some fish xxxx
LGC,
Hope everything goes well today. Read you after the sedative wears off.
Jackie,
What does your contribution to this blog have to do with Madeleine McCann. Where is the evidence to support abduction. Her parents neglect of all there children was the catalyst for supposed abduction, there is evidence of neglect IMO. However where is the evidence for abduction.
Good morning all
Hi Zodiac, how are you today. Just been reading back and it appears that the other site has gone exclusive. They may feel it is the best way to stop trolls but IMO the trolls have won and closed them down. I thought the idea was to get the message across to a wider audience not preach to the converted. However, who cares, hopefully we will have some answers soon
OPUS
Please pass my best wishes to LGC for today.
Have you seen the front page of the Independent the related article is:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/walking-on-thin-ice-pppick-out-the-penguin-804081.html
By the way are you related to ERIC that penguin who is almost as famous as you?
Some old reminders from:
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/mccann+parents+speak+of+guilt/531672
They spoke about their feelings of guilt that they were having a meal at a tapas bar when their daughter was abducted from their holiday apartment. But they compared this to having dinner in the garden at home with their children asleep upstairs.
Speaking about the decision to leave the children as they did Mr McCann added: "We've tried to rationalise things in our head but ultimately what's done is done, we have tried to look forward.
"If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one"
"It's true to say the first two days we didn't eat much or sleep much but that was a few days and since then things have picked up and we have been able to be stronger.
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I would not jepordice my childrens life in a 100 billion to one!
and for sure I would not feel stronger after a few days!
Niki
Zodiac
I agree that the McCanns started off the whole thing by leaving their children - no question of doubt. You should never leave children on their own - noone (neither pro nor anti) has ever said any different.
The only so-called evidence we know of was leaked by the PJ. They are happily telling of what the McCanns supposedly did to their daughter. The McCanns aren't allowed to speak so we are getting just the one side of the story. However, I do not believe that leaks to the press constitute "evidence".
Have a nice day Zodiac.
Good morning ICantThinkOfAName
Just want to thank you for your never ending search for justice!
Some months ago, I read through old DE-articles, to see when people started to doubt the McCanns, and I found your name under one of the earliest articles, asking WHY did they leave those babies alone!
In Norwegian and Greek press, noone asked this question until Gerry was grilled in the USA.
Thanks again, you have been an eye-opener!
Niki
HI DOC MAC (If you are looking in)
I am going to blow your cover and let people know how they can recognise you when you visited the UK. The TITS convention (Toilet Industries Teaching Session) is taking place on 9th at Heathrow and we will see you outside the gents in Heathrow giving a lecture on how to cut through the cr@p :-)
Jackie,
What leaks to the press by the PJ are you talking about do not consitute evidence?
Have a nice day also, Jackie.
Gina 9.16am,
LOL!
Hi Zodiac, I was about to ask Jackie the same thing. It seems depending what side of the fence a person is on, they choose to believe some newspapers and not others if the story suits. Better to believe none of them IMO. Considering the McCanns are not allowed to speak they seem to have managed to do enough interviews and say plenty as far as I can see.
Hi Zodiac and Gina!
Maybe we should make a list for Jackie of all the statments the McCanns have given!
Lol
Niki
niki
Thank you for your kind words but I think I am only one of many who have had doubts from an early stage. In recent months I have had to restrict my participation (both as reader and contributor) as I found that the DX Forum was taking over my life. Just after Christmas I had to spend some weeks going "cold turkey" . I don't think I ever posted to the DX again.
Hi Niki, the only leak if there is one that concerns me is that the contents of the questions have been given to the Tapas group. Although only a rumour at this stage, it has been said that one of the Leicestershire police officers leaked them and has been removed from the case. Probably nothing more than rumour but if true it shows the British Police up in a bad light too. There are bad cops in all police forces which I think people tend to forget when it suits.
Niki/Gina,
Niki thanks for the old reminders, it is amazing what you forget, what is even more amazing is the statements that the parents and family of a supposedly abducted child make. Marga posted a link to an article yesterday, at the side there were little video clips, I clicked on the JMcC link as to why the children were left alone, that family IMO are unbeleivable and I refuse to swallow their spoonfed propaganda. Gina I read some of the newspapers although any opinion I have is by what I have heard and seen of them and what their family and friends say also. I have not subrscibed to the abduction viewpoint since first hearing about the situation on 4/5/07, based purely on the parents behaviour and their interpretation of events in the press/media and how glaringly obvious the press/media interviews were staged. Why did no journalist ask them from the very start, why were your children left alone?
ICTOAN,
Might have been many other "doubters" (like Viv) from the early stage, that got banned before I started reading!?
Anyway, I always admiered your posts, and hope you will continiue to contribute here every now and then!
Hopefully this sad story will see a conclusion soon, then we will all go "cold turkey"!
Have a nice day:)
Niki
Zodiac, I have always tried to keep an opened mind on this case, but I do not have tunnel vision and believe anything is possible and nothing would surprise me.
Although there is no set pattern of behaviour for parents of a missing child I do find the McCanns behaviour odd to say the least. (Tennis, jogging, etc etc. within hours of the "abduction") totally bizarre. However it is equally bizarre that they could do this if they had accidently killed Madeleine and disposed of her body.
Why they were not out searching and asking questions themselves is totally beyond my comprehension. They had plenty of friends there to take care of the twins (infact where were the twins when they went jogging early in the mornings)
I'm off now catch you later maybe
Another reminder: from
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/mccann+abduction+theory+slammed/867647
McCann abduction theory slammed
Print this page
Last Modified: 01 Oct 2007
Source: PA News
A senior Portuguese police officer has criticised Gerry McCann over fears his daughter's abductor was hidden in their apartment, it is reported.
Madeleine's father believes someone was hiding in her room when he went back to check on his children in the couple's holiday apartment in Praia Da Luz on the night of May 3.
But the head of Portugal's police federation, Carlos Anjos, said the claim was a "ridiculous episode" and accused Mr McCann of being "negligent".
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I'm off
Have a nice day everyone:)
Niki
Hello Rosiepops, Have I missed something, what is it you mean that the judge has ruled there is insufficient evidence. I have never heard that. If it is true then what is the point of the requestioning - confused
Felicity/LGC -
Magic ... flying penguins. Saw it on TV and could hardly believe my eyes. I hope Opus doesn't decide to take flight !!!
Freedom of the Press to tell it like it it? What happened to that? - [quoting Viv]
Viv, I completely agree. I was actually quite shocked when the DE pulled all stories regarding the McCann case. Do the McCanns control the world's media now, do they? And then you get all the Pro's saying how great it is that the articles have been pulled because of the "disgraceful things" journalists had been saying about the McCanns. Well firstly, "disgraceful" is in the eye of the beholder, and secondly, it is NEWS, even if sometimes it is embellished by individual reporters (which happens both in favour of AND against the McCanns). We in the public are entitled to the news, even if there is a small minority of nut-cases that think the media should be muzzled. I don't always like everything that is "reported" in the media either. I often wonder how much of what I'm getting is fact, and how much is just pure journalistic fantasy. However, I'd rather read each and every story and take them with all with a grain of salt, then only be able to access those stories that some other person out there (and in this case, the suspects in a criminal investigation!) have told me I'm allowed to see!
Finally, I wonder what sort of precedent the DE and McCann incident sets for the Free Press? I wonder how many other people now, with money and the right connections, will start putting their foot down about what the rest of us are allowed to see?
gina,
It's a wind up - there's no record in Chambers of any such judgment being made on basis of 'no evidence' - PR spin/media manipulation.
Rosiepops 10.07am,
How would you a mere granny of joe public who believes in innocent until proven guilty know any of the information in your post as fact? I have asked you time and time again, what is it evidence of an abduction? Yet you never answer that question. The only evidence facts we have are that 3 little children aged 3 and under were left in a holiday flat all on their own. Why are you posting on here, when you have an invitation only blog. Double standards, we will play on your court (as in tennis) however you cannot play on ours. Do you post here because you are fed up posting to yourself? It is ironic you try and try to close other blogs down and the only one you can close down is your own.
Rosiepops,
Thought they were not being requestioned (this visit) as they would only waste time by not answering. Where was it stated that a PT's Judge ruled there was insufficent evidence? LINK PLEASE!!!!
2345 I was just confused by Rosipops statement I wasn't sure if she was saying you said the judge said there was no evidence or she was saying the judge said that. I just stick to bog basics, and to my reckoning if the judge feels there is no evidence he would not have authorised further questioning. Whether there is enough evidence to actually convict remains to be seen - or whether, as the McCanns claim, there are innocent explanations also remains to be seen. All I can say is that IF there are explanations they should be ashamed of themselves for not volunteering them sooner in order to prevent so much speculation and unnecessary comments against themselves and their friends and family - Poor little Madeleine hardly gets a mention anymore
Shannon - Police Investigation:
Child pornography has been found on stepfather's computer, seized by police for examination as standard procedure in the case.
PJ are still awaiting seizure of Gerry's computer which they requested seven months ago for examination and requestioning.
Shannon's stepfather will be answerable to Court for Police findings.
Police procedures in Shannon's case are not being applied in the McCanns.
Gina,
I think a certain poster has had the same dream as you and the marshmallow pillow cut off oxygen to the brain for a few seconds. The case is going on the shelf.
However reading between the lines, have certain questions got out hence certain delays. IMHO.
gina,
As you well know, I've been through hell and high water for continualling repeating hard evidence released by our Police.
Eddie & Keela confirmed death - FSS results uphold it.
In defence of PJ Mr Paula Cristovao publicised British Government's interference in this case. This is the cause of all problems - the Police solved the 'mystery' last July.
Rosiepops, thank you for your reply and I take your point. Perhaps you would also like to take the point that none of us know exactly what the PJ did or did not do either.
If you want my honest opinion, I do not think we will ever know the truth and the McCanns will remain guilty in some peoples mind and innocent in others. Sad but true and nothing any of us say or do is going to change that. I just hope there is not a bent UK copper working on this case too because the Portuguese will jump on that after all the insults they have taken.
All this, blogger against blogger, rudeness and prejudice against nations, etc etc etc all because two people did not have the thought to pay a baby sitter - unbelievable.
Rosiepops,
Hope your uni cycle is in tip top condition for you and your many pseudonyms when you mob the PJ and welcome Docmac @ LHR. Enjoy your two days out next week.
PR spin/media manipulation........ Exactly right from both the PJ & McCanns'
The only Fact is Madeleine is missing because she was left alone while her parents were eating with friends.
Everything else is rumour, hearsay & missinterpretation of leaks & PR. And of course the overactive imaginations of nasty individuals who have come up with really sick theories.
I'll be at the airport with a placard reading:
"Boring, sexually frustrated, and SUPER DROLL"
Hmmm, I wonder who I'm expecting?
Rosiepops,
Yes that is right I did use Zephyr on the DE. Only because you and your multi ID's got Zodiac banned. I did not multi post on the DE and especially did not send Zephyr any messages. If I annoy you so much by not accepting the, lets move on, lets forget, get over the fact that 3 little children were neglected and as result one vanished, why do you not get me banned from this blog. As for you only having one ID, I believe it if you believe it. Now what was your answer to. What evidence is there to support an abduction?
Actually Rosiepops it IS meant to be funny .. AND scathing!
Super Droll needs urgent psychiatric help. She needs a nurse on hand to change her diaper regularly and administer the pills she so desperately requires.
If you can not see this I'm sorry! And no - LGC had nothing to do with it. I'm proud to say it's all original work!
Zodiac/Jojam
I have just read what everybody has said and I have totally lost the plot and am not giving myself a headache over this anymore. Rosie thinks the PJ are never coming, well they have to do something even they know that. 2345 is convinced there is enough evidence, maybe so, so bloody well charge them and get it over with.
At the end of the day none of this is doing Madeleine's memory any good whatsoever. I know there have been a lot of prayers for her safe return but nobody seems to be listening. At the very least I had hoped by now she would be found and laid to rest but regrettably not even that. My views will never change no matter what the outcome. The McCanns made themselves celebrities and only have themselves to blame if they are getting the backlash from that.
I hope we never see another case like this ever again. Going down the garden centre for some therapy
Bianca 10.44am,
If they are riding a uni cycle, it will be blatantly obvious. IMO.
Rosiepops 10.41am,
If everything is as rosie in the garden as you like to think. Why are you posting on here?
BBFN.
Bianca 10.53 am,
LOL!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Gina,
Have a lovely time at the garden centre. Off out myself. Read you later.
2345 10.36am,
Just read your post, I am off out in a minute. Yes you were put through hell and high water and like me you got banned from the DE for having an opinion. I have a lot of respect for you 2345, as you say 'united we stand'.
Look at the hypocrisy applied today, the other blog invitation only and they cannot stay away from here. Now where are all the Anons, oh looks like they are still posting. They could re-name their blog, A Blog Called Hypocrisy.
Rosiepops
Go put on your wrinkle cream and drop your mouse in your muesli.
If you were so convinced of the claptrap you keep posting, you wouldn't feel the need to constantly come to this blog to defend your point of view. Deep down you are worried shitless that your idols will get what they deserve.
Innocent McCanns? Yes, there are a few innocent McCanns - Shawn, Amelie, and most of all, Madeleine.
The others, I don't trust. Why should I? If their own children cannot trust them to protect them, and not leave them alone to go to dinner with their holiday friends, why would I ever do so?
Rosiepops,
Just like the DE I cannot be bothered with you. I did not Multi-post. You and your pseudonyms did not like what Zodiac had to say and got Zodiac banned. I rejoined as Zephyr. I never posted as Zephyr and Zodiac at the same time, it would have been impossible as Zodiac was banned. Got it. Or will I have to explain it again using baby building blocks with letters on. Why are you not on your own blog, is there nobody there? If you are uptight about next week you should go back to your safe haven where every word you dribble is believed. IMHO.
Thanks Zodiac ;-)
Rosiepops, you always use the term "argument". It is good to have opposing views and "debate" them with sound points of view. You have jumped on Zodiac and Bianca's responses (not commenting on that they are capable of expressing their own opinions) but totally ignored what I said to you
" Rosiepops, thank you for your reply and I take your point. Perhaps you would also like to take the point that none of us know exactly what the PJ did or did not do either."
So do you take this point or not
I prefer debating the issues. No need to answer, I have really gone now
Is R/pops calling Supertroll a Pre-Menstrual Looney in her 10.30am post. What does PMSL mean. Is that what they are putting on their placard whilst they cycle around the airport on the uni cycle on the 7th and 9th of this month. What a shame. IMHO.
Just like the DE I cannot be bothered with you. I did not Multi-post. You and your pseudonyms did not like what Zodiac had to say and got Zodiac banned. I rejoined as Zephyr. I never posted as Zephyr and Zodiac at the same time, it would have been impossible as Zodiac was banned. Got it. Or will I have to explain it again using baby building blocks with letters on. Why are you not on your own blog, is there nobody there? If you are uptight about next week you should go back to your safe haven where every word you dribble is believed. IMHO. - [quoting Zodiac]
Zodiac, this is exactly what happened to me, and I came back into DE as "Belinda". I made it obvious I was really Bianca and even had the same avatar. I knew it was only a matter of time before Belinda got banned (and she/I did) because I knew that the Pro's knew I was really Bianca and would simply report me to the mods again (for my "venomous, anti-McCann views" and "off-topic talk"). But I didn't care. There were just a few more things I wanted to say to them and that was all. I knew "Belinda" would be almost instantly banned, and she was! If people hassle me about having another name, I don't care in the slightest! I made it obvious why I was doing it and was only "Belinda" for about 4 posts!
Bianca,
They think they are really clever although it is really obvious they are the opposite. I came back as Zephyr as I was not going to allow people such as those to try and shut me up. The way they are behaving shows as another poster stated are sh***ing themselves.
Zodiac,
That's exactly like me again. I didn't want them having the pleasure of simply silencing me without my having any recourse. I wanted to have at least one more go at them for their rubbish - and I did, even if it only lasted for 4 posts.
Yes, I too detect panic in the ranks!
No, Jackie dear, guess again!
Jackie again,
And if I WERE expecting Claudia, I would be expecting someone intelligent, sophisticated, politically astute, and only about 29 years old (I think this is Claudia's age. I know for a fact she is younger than me and I am 33).
So no boring, super droll or sexually frustrated THERE .. sorry to disappoint you Jackie.
Jackie,
Oh so sorry do forgive me, it is invitation only. So glad you are all well.
Bianca,
I will never compromise my morals regarding child neglect. The 3 children were quite simply neglected, no sugar coating platitudes can change that, child neglect is a crime in the UK and Protugal and is most certainly not the British Culture, IMHO. It has to be adressed not ignored. How any Charity can allow anyone who has neglected their children to attach themselves to it is bizarre. The Amber alert, are the Police, Social Services etc responsible for the system if and when it is implemented, how can anyone take it seriously if the very parents that neglected their children and as result one vanished are associated to it. It is claimed an Amber alert would have saved this child. How would it have saved her? Providing proper childcare would have prevented her going missing. Those children were in danger of many other tradegies occurring, let alone abdduction. IMHO.
Isis, Hope, Zodiac, ICTOAN, any any others I may have missed,
Many thanks for your kind wishes! I'm feeling calm (ish) and am very pleased to be getting it over with.
As for the effects of the sedative, I think you probably won't notice much difference from normal!
That picture in the Indie - WOW! How sad is that? Still, Opus is consoling himself with the thought that there had to be another penguin there holding the camera... :>
Regarding the post-procedural amnesia, do you think I should make a list of my children in case I go out with my friends and forget about them? Easily done, I know.
XXX
LGC,
Good luck and good wishes. Hope to read you soon.
LGC, rest well,feet up and order in food later!! And remember no driving or operating heavy machinery or chainsaws !!
Rosiepop (I'm presuming it's just the one of you this time),
I know you're fixated with multiple-blogging names, but YOU have added a new dimension to blogging - there are definitely more pops to one Rosie than you like to let on.
Else, why do you write like an outraged grandmother one minute, and the next sound like the love-child of Arthur Daley and Ali G? (Do you drive a Ford Cortina, btw?)
I have examples of your split-blogging personalities should you like to see them, which I can furnish you with tomorrow. (Off for a hospital appointment soon so haven't the time to do this today).
The thing is, RosieP, you can protest all you like, you can accuse people of everything under the sun, but it doesn't bring Madeleine back or put off the PJ or tidy up all the loose ends about what happened on that holiday.
Incidentally, the original Rosiepop was at least articulate. Some of the others - including Old Hippypops - give themselves away with their idiosyncratic syntax and spelling.
CUE THE NAME-CALLING........
Zodiac,
Many thanks!
Isis,
No chainsaws? How am I to spend this evening?? (I'm a lumberjack and I'm not OK, but the hospital should be able to sort that one out - along with my taste in shirts and suspenders, hopefully!)
My word verification is iissx!!!
Bianca, thanks! :-) But my feelings are a bit hurt. I'll be 28 for a few more months! ;-)
LGC, its an omen i tell you , the word verification !!!! A portent of good :))
To Zodiac,
I too feel strongly about the child neglect issue, and in a way, feel that it has become even bigger than simply the McCann case now. I see all the time at the Pro blog that the "slack parent brigade" have really come out of the woodwork. These people are apologists not only for the McCanns, but often for their own slack parenting, with some even seemingly bragging about how slack they are, and how many "near misses" they have had when almost losing their children. Now, I find this vile, and for as long as there is a platform for me to speak openly, I am going to have my say about it!
The McCanns drew attention to the devastating effects of child neglect, and also to the fact that "neglect" does not always mean a runny-nosed child with parents on benefits, left to play outside in the dark! Neglect can happen in all stratum of society, even among the privileged. Madeleine, imo, was treated more like an expensive handbag than a child. She was loved, I'm sure, but only to a point. When mum and dad wanted to socialise, Madeleine and her brothers and sisters simply got in the way, and were relegated back to the hotel room, along with the suitcases and the sunblock. It may be at first considered "a bit slack", but as we can see from the devastating results (i.e., Maddy's disappearance), it was full-on neglect. This is a position also held by a top American social worker (ask Docmac for the link if you haven't seen it yet) who states with certainty that the McCanns are "culpable for their daughter's disappearance". I will always maintain that the McCanns and anyone who supports their behaviour are completely and utterly supportive of child neglect!
As far as Amber Alerts, I'm sure they are a great idea, but ultimately, isn't prevention better than cure, especially when dealing with something of such vital importance as the lives of children? Certainly, in the case of the McCanns, such an "alert" would never, ever have been necessary, if they'd only so much as stayed in with their children and gotten room service that night! To suggest that Madeleine's disappearance is somehow the police or the government's fault and not the direct fault of her parents is complete bunkum and arrogant in the extreme. Furthermore, I agree completely with you that had madeleine not gone missing, there were plenty of other things that could have befallen her. Like I have asked the "pro's" many times before - would the McCanns neglect perhaps have been more obvious to them if Madeleine had swallowed medicine or toilet cleaner, or been found floating face up in the swimming pool? Because these are all fates that could easily have befallen her, given the appalling, unsupervised state her parents left her and her siblings in (not just that night but several others!).
To Claudia,
Oops, sorry hun! Didn't mean to age you! Twenty Eight it is, LOL!
:-)
Bianca, ;-)
I'll try getting over this. ;-)
"Regarding the post-procedural amnesia, do you think I should make a list of my children in case I go out with my friends and forget about them? Easily done, I know."
XXX - LITTLE GREY CELL
Hi LittleGreyCell. I don't actually know which operation you're having but wish you all the best. I'm sure you'll be fine :-)
As for forgetting your kids, don't worry - it's an everyday occurrence according to the pro's. And if you DO forget them or even lose one of them, you'll have plenty of sympathy and plenty of people to "joke" with over at the Pro blog!!
;)
Bianca,
Many thanks! It's only an endoscopy as a day patient, but you know what it's like...
Just wondering how long it'll take for the sedative to wear off so that I can start the fund?
Speak to you later (maybe tomorrow).
:)
X
Yes, I know it's tough Claudia, but when you're under 30 you can get through anything!
LOL!!
Please, don't mention 30, Bianca. I'm not ready to think about that yet! lolol
Hi LGC,
An endoscopy - yes, I have known people that have had them. From all accounts, I think they are more uncomfortable than anything else. I'm sure you'll get through with flying colours :-)
Well LGC, just tell me the name of your bank so I can start sending in "donations" for your mortgage straight away!
;-)
Yes Claudia, just stay on 28 as long as you can!
Actually, all jokes aside, it's not that bad. People scare you about 30 because it's a round number, but plenty of 30-year-olds look and live pretty much like 25-year-olds. Now, if you want to know the REAL secret to staying young .. stay away from men! (But who can?? I know I can't! LOL).
Bianca,
I won't know how uncomfortable it is (I hope!) 'cos I'll be out of it!
As for the donations, don't trouble yourself about bank account numbers, just shove some cash into the usual brown envelopes...
:)
I'll be 28 a few more months. Than P'll have to deal with 29. I'll leave at that.
Bianca, as for that advice: easier said than done! lololol
I'd rather get old! :-)
zodiak,
Thank you and since when, I ask myself, has it been a criminal/libellous offence to recite critically important information released by the Police ?? !!!
My cousin's worked in Government for years; she told me months ago that it's common knowledge amongst staff that the McCanns are being protected as Brown does not want the McCanns to be found guilty.
Police found the reason for Madeleine's disappearance last July. All I've ever done is repeat the facts they released.
The truth is FSS information broadcast last September did not suit those responsible and those protecting them. The fight Gerry referred to in the article is fighting the Police and damning findings !!
Brown will ensure PJ's dossier of evidence is not presented to prime suspects for requestioning. McCann protectors will ensure they evade facing unanswered questions/new ones based on new evidence since. Standard tactic is media spin and lies .....
LGC - Yes of course, you'll be under. That's good :-)
Oh, and I've got my brown envelopes ready. Now all you've got to do is come up with same excuses and then we'll be ready to get an "online shop" ;-)
Hi Claudia,
LOL, same here! If I have to choose between the two, it'll be gray hair at 35 I'm afraid! LOLOL
DocMac's joke -
Oh dear oh dear oh dear!
Oh dear! LOL!!
Bianca, lololol, for both of your last posts! :-)
Back to the McCanns -
As far as (accidentally) killing Madeleine is concerned, there are just a few things I can not get past and have never been able to from when this case became public. Again, if anyone has good, plausible theories as answers to my questions, I'd love to hear them:
* If they killed her, why did they draw so much attention to themselves? They made a huge hullabaloo, turned the world's media on themselves, and used big name people - everyone from Richard Branson to the Pope - to help them do it. Would you really do this if you had killed your daughter and were hiding her body?
* Where on earth did they hide the body for 25 days (in the hot climate of Portugal) before supposedly, taking it to another location in the hire car?
* If they DID drive the body away in their hire car, where did they drive it to, and why has the body never been found?
* If they had killed her (even accidentally) and knew this, could they really be so relaxed as to play tennis and go for runs in the days afterward? (I can believe they were cold enough to do this while knowing Maddy was missing, but could they REALLY be so relaxed if they, in fact, knew she was dead and they had killed her? Wouldn't they be too nervous, knowing any second that the the cops could spring them?)
* If Madeleine had died and her body hidden, how was it all done so quickly (without a single soul knowing other than Kate and Gerry?). If members of the Tapas 7 DID know all about it, why are they all keeping so quiet? It's one thing to want to protect your career, but surely one of them would have cracked by now?
I am more prepared to believe that Madeleine was abducted, and that the reason the "checking" stories all conflict, and Jane Tanner's "bundleman" at first, was faceless, and then, had a face, is because they were all worried about getting done for child neglect so quickly tried to cover themselves by saying they'd regularly been checking the kids (but in their haste, the stories didn't match up). Jane T panicked and said she'd seen a man in order to make it look like it was "all a predators fault", he'd been "staking them out" etc, so attention would go on the so-called "predator" and not on the Tapas Group for regularly leaving their small children unattended.
Thanks Claudia hun :-)
Interesting article...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3674900.ece
Bianca 12.23pm,
Well said. I agree.
Claudia,
My eldest is 24 this year, oh boy do I feel old.
This is an interesting article JoJam. I didn't actually realise that the McCanns would be allowed to request that certain people are interviewed. If they have nothing to do with Madeleine's abduction, I hope it all comes out soon and that their names are cleared. However, I think they should pay back the fund money that got put into their mortgage - either send it back to the individuals who donated, or put it back into Madeleine's or another missing child/ren's fund. I also think that they should be formally charged with neglect (even though apparently, the time for this has officially passed) and that they should either be heavily fined, made to do community service, or possibly even jailed for whatever the usual term is.
I know that the PJ have bigger things in mind than neglect and are putting together a complete case, but if they don't have enough evidence to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, I still think it's only fair (if possible) that the McCanns are somehow punished for their neglect. Otherwise, they come out of this whole thing Scott-free and that just doesn't seem right to me.
Bianca
I would not consider living with the guilt of leaving Madeliene & the conequence of doing so, getting of scott free!
Jojam,
It is getting off Scott-free when you consider what Madeleine must have gone through.
If people accept that Madeleine was abducted, then they must accept that she most likely endured (and quite possibly, is still enduring) terrible things. Rape, torture, and probably murder, come to mind. Now, how does this suffering compare with "living with the guilt"??
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't!
Do you think that if Kate and Gerry had been in the hotel room that night that Madeleine would have been taken? Of course not! She was taken because her mum and dad WERE NOT THERE when they bloody well SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE! Those kids were infants - babies. I would not leave a 15-year-old on their own in a foreign hotel room, let alone three children under the age of 4! And it makes no difference if they were left for two minutes or half an hour. A child that small can put a marble in their mouth and choke to death in a matter of seconds, so going back regularly to supposedly "check the kids" means nothing .. absolutely nothing!
If Kate and Gerry walk away from this without so much as a slap on the wrist, not only is it a crime against Madeleine, but a despicable precedent to set for all future neglect cases!
"Living with the guilt" indeed!!
Bianca,
I totally agree with you. They should be charged with neglect, I know there has been suggestion that charges should made within six months however do we not know when they were made Arguido/a in Sept. 07 this provision was not made in the likelihood that they would not be charged for the speculated offences. The neglect should not be ignored and they should not be allowed to be involved with missing children organiziations, especially whilst still Arguido/a, IMHO. Whether it is a suspended sentence or the suggestion you make it is only morally right IMHO. Otherwise it sends the message neglecting children is acceptable.
Jojam,
Everyone is accountable for their own actions. Legally and morally.
I know Zodiac, it does seem weird that they are allowed to travel the world and go to conferences held by other missing children organisations, and yet they are still suspects in the case of their OWN missing child ..??
I'm not sure how that works, but it does seem bizarre! (not to mention unethical).
Yes, I know it's only meant to be within six months that you can charge for neglect in Portugal, but according to Viv, "neglect" may be one of the charges included in the PJ's "manslaughter" case against the McCanns, so in theory (well, MY theory .. am not sure!) if the case goes to trial and they don't actually get charged with killing Madeleine, the "neglect" part of the case may stick and they will at least get charged with that.
Not sure if it can work that way but it seems plausible.
You are correct. Ultimately, I see it as highly immoral if the McCanns are not at least in some way punished for their neglect - not just as it pertains to them but for the precedent it sets.
Bianca,
I can understand your view but To live with that Guilt is not getting off scott free.........You may well think they should be charged with neglect but that will not bring Madeleine back will it?
Zodiac,
Yes I agree everyone is responsible for their own actions, including what they write, morally & legally.......Pity some on here do not realise they can be held accountable for what the have written
Jojam,
No, it won't bring Madeleine back. But if the McCanns ARE formally punished for their neglect, it may just scare off other parents who have previously been slack and selfish with their child care, and make them think twice before leaving small children on their own at night time, or letting them wander off on their own to parks, etc.
The less 3-year-olds left behind in hotel rooms in foreign countries while their parents go out drinking, the better.
Ooooh dear Jojam, are the big bad McCanns going to come along and sue us all, are they?
We've all got to be frightened because mummy and daddy McCann might not like what one of us are saying??
Well let me tell you something darlin', these two child-neglecting cretins do not own the world. Furthermore, we are only discussing things here that have already been released by the world's media, so in that, are not saying anything "libelous". Who the HELL do you people think these McCanns are anyway?? You and them can f**ck right off!
Hello ALL
Just reading back. I understand Shannon got to see her Mum yesterday I pray she had nothing to do with this and had no idea what a sicko her idiot boyfriend was and she gets some education on how you put your children first.
Dont know enough about Shannons Dad but I read she had wanted to live with him if he is a decent Man I hope she gets to choose where she wants to go...
If parents dont put children first they really should not have them.
In normal cases, those in which Government does not involve itself,
the Police decide who will or will not be questioned in their investigations. Suspects do not dictate to Police.
Last statement from PJ was that they were preparing for a minimum two month stay in Britain to primarily re-interview McCanns.
They required answers to original questions and new questions arising from further evidence. PJ's list includes McCann associates, CM, police witnesses, i.e. waiters and Tapas group.
PJ's visit has been reportedly reduced to 3 days; Tapas group only - questions subjected to lengthy delays and Home Office 'consent'. CM ex Home Office excluded.
Police appear not to be at liberty to interview 'spontaneously', as is normal. It's also 'reported'
PJ want the case 'wound up' by 11th April. Prosecutor's perspective, based on PJ's dossier of evidence is Court and Court judgement. Reason case was not closed months ago.
To this end, Court, and Prosecutor's ruling on evidence, PJ were preparing for a lengthy two month stay, arrival due early March.
Why has their visit been reportedly cut from 2 months to 3 days ?
CM, by association with Metado 3's highly illegal involvement and corrupt behaviour was hardly going to face police questioning any more than the McCanns. CM ensured ALL M 3's labours - false witness accounts were given press coverage.
It seems steps have been taken to ensure ex civil servant CM and McCanns evade Police interviews and lengthy questioning - standard police procedures PJ intended commencing in early March.
Prosecutor's examination of PJ's dossier confirms there IS a case to answer. If NOT, he would have closed the case months ago.
It's detrimental to Prosecutor and PJ NOT to re-interview and re-question prime suspects and CM - his PR antics have jeopardized and undermined two police forces for months.
What is the point in Police speaking only to Tapas group ?
None .... in line with Prosecutor's ruling PJ have waited SEVEN months to requestion McCanns and the same length of time for critical evidence, computer, diary and cuddle cat.
The exiry date for 'arguidos' is
14th April.
The Police and public have been led a very merry dance .....
"If parents dont put children first they really should not have them" - [quoting Hope4Truth]
Amen to that, Hope.
2345, read your thread yesterday on the 3as.. interesting. Are you following the one by ttw4 , the stand alone evidence ?
Marga,
My cousin's worke in Government for over 20 years .. it's well known amongst staff that the McCanns are being protection ... Gordon Brown does not want them found guilty.
Brown has the power to be kept fully informed. Ex Home Office civil servant CM was appointed as McCanns defence by media manager.
He left the HO for this purpose.
By the way, does anybody know why Rat On The Beam has it in for me?
Or is it just a Pro pretending to be Rat on the Beam?
Anyone??
Bianca
Hello...
Are you sure it is rat??? xxx
Daily Mail website story:
"McCanns poised to make dramatic return to Portugal for anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance"
If it's all ready been mentioned here, Sorry!
ICTOAN
Hello
Read earlier about your cold turkey (know what you mean) and well done xxx
I had not read that before but am still catching up... Thanks x
Jackie
are you not anon or Nick???
Hi Hope,
Well that's the thing, I'm not sure!
But an "anon" came in here last night calling me a "slug", and basically saying things that inferred that I am two faced or have been playing some kind of double game. I thought it must be someone from the Pro blog, and I explained that anything I say over there, I am well aware will be seen over here, and vice versa. However, "anon" then shot back that they were "NOT a pro-McCann". I said well, who ARE you then? And they said "I am in Turkey. Think Three Arguido's .. Yes .. It is me!" I then asked if it was Rat (as she is in Turkey at the moment) or just someone pretending to be her, but whoever it was never answered back.
So now I am a bit confused (??)
ICTOAN, read thet earlier, interesting the way it depends on the outcome of next weeks interviews. I think they should heed their legal advisors.
Hi Jackie love,
"JoJam" came in here threatening libel charges. Is that "charming"??
People in this blog are just as entitled to discuss the news on the McCann case as anyone else. We are informed by the world's media, and are only discussing information that is already in the public domain. So Toe Jam "et al" can go stick it!
And no, I have absolutely no idea what she is "going through at the moment"!
Bianca
Hello... I think people are aware that she is away and is trying to stir it for when she gets back... I am sure Rat would tell you to your face (or to your blog name) if she had a problem...
They are a strange bunch I dont actually know what their point is when they come here I notice RP could not keep away now and as it cant post anon and cant argue with the chosen few on the other site it needs to argue here???
Very sad very odd and very pathetic... So there are lots of theorys about what happend but then again none of us know what happend..
If the McCanns are on their way back to PDL good for them after all if they did nothing wrong (well apart from being neglectful parents) they have nothing to fear you cant frame someone with DNA from a child that is missing as you have no access to the DNA...
I had my Paranoia button pushed at Christmas and what a great tool it has proved to be. Dont worry about anon rat you can ask her when she returns but why hide behind anon and use your name???
xxx
Hi Bianca and all
I do not think it is rat, just a sh.t stirrer.
See you went into combat over the penalty the McCanns should get. Not sure what I feel about that one, but one thing I am sure about is the should not be allowed to get rich on the back of this case
Gina
I have a great diet tip for you...
Eat Dust LOL xxx
Bianca,
Your post to me at 15:07 is reasoned debate and you make a very valid point However your post following at 15:14 does you no credit it is childish and just makes you look irrational........I acctually said nothing about being sued. however there have been some very explicit theories on here for which there is no evidence of fact.
Jackie,
no they do not know. I am particular who I share my personal circumstances with
Hi Bianca, for what its worth i dont think that is rats style. She is very open and straight.
Off for a bit now see you all later xxx
Hi Bianca
Should you not be in bed? No way would Rat pull a trick like that.
Hi Hope4
Jackie is Sassy (someone will now deny it).
Hi ICTOAN
Thanks for the link. More confirmation that G&K know for sure that Maddie will not be found before May 3. or at any time in the future. By found, I mean alive of course. Be that as it may, I seem to recall them saying they had no problem taking a polygraph. Their lawyers instructed them not to do this. I expect much the same will happen here. Just the two of them trying to milk the sympathy vote again IMO.
Hello Claudia, I see you're about with finger poised!
Hope4Truth - I think you are right. Rat is a pretty upfront, pretty articulate person, and I can't imagine her playing those sorts of games (even though it's only the internet and reality, you can never be sure). She seems intelligent, friendly, and far too mature to hide behind an "anonymous" tag in order to get at someone. I guess I'll just have to ask her about it when she gets back (unless she pops in before then). You're right though - pushing the "paranoia" button can be quite an effective tool. I guess the trick is just to stay calm, think logically, and try to remember that at the end of the day, it's the internet, so there's no point getting paranoid because in reality, you didn't really know who anyone was to begin with anyway!
Gina - I'm pretty sure it's just a sh*t stirrer too. I sure hope so anyway, because I really like Rat.
:-)
Hi Doc, don't know if you noticed but I outed you at 9.16 this morning :-)
See you later HOPE. Enjoy your evening xx
Hi DOCMAC - Yeah, as I say, I don't think it's really her, but it was really off-putting at first when I read the message. Yes, I should be in bed, but often take advantage of the later (well, earlier) hours to do things I don't get a chance to during the day - like talking on this blog! LOL
JOJAM - Well what do you expect when you come in here and say things like "people in here obviously don't realise they can be held accountable for what they say"!! What about all the horrible, defamatory stuff you lot say about the Portuguese police?? How DARE you threaten libel!
Jojam
Welcome, I read you on the Pro blog trying to talk some sense into them before they made it private. Providing you are not abusive to other posters you are welcome here.
Claudia - thanks!
Hello all!
Rosie has been telling us for several weeks the McCanns would return to Portugal to "wreck their tourist industry just as the season commences".
Now we have this announcement by Clarence Mitchell, confirming they would like to send out a clear message of their innocence by doing so, but this all depends on the outcome of the police interviews..so if it goes bad for them they will not go back, and if it they perceive it went well for them they will. Does not sound to me like a genuine offer to go back!
More a question of how the spin takes us, on their own admission.
If they really felt the need to go back for this anniversary and they were innocent why would they bother to hedge their bets in this way? Criminals do of course, fear arrest!
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The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said today: 'Kate and Gerry are currently deciding whether to return to Portugal. It is being discussed.
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Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007
'Going to Portugal would send out the strongest possible message that Madeleine could still be alive and the search for her should continue. The family feel the focus should be on finding Madeleine.
'Next week's interviews will help in gauging the police attitude. In an ideal world they would not be arguidos and their lawyers have always warned them not to return while they have that status.
But they want to be in Praia da Luz for the first anniversary,' he said.
Bianca,said.
JoJam" came in here threatening libel charges. Is that "charming"??
I did not..........this was your interpretation.........could it be that you have written some things that you now regret? 'If the cap fits wear it'
I am in no position to threaten anyone I was just agreeing with zodiac...................
I wrote...
Zodiac,
Yes I agree everyone is responsible for their own actions, including what they write, morally & legally.......Pity some on here do not realise they can be held accountable for what they have written.
Jojam
"to be held accountable" clearly implies a threat against my posters. They are here exercising their right to freedom of speech on articles that I post, clearly in the public domain.
If you threaten people on here, you are not welcome.
Jojam,
Rather weak reply. What is there to be held accountable for by not agreeing in verbal or written form that child neglect is wrong, immoral and illegal. Madeleine McCann is missing because she was left alone with her brother and sister in a holiday flat whilst her parents were elsewhere. Please tell me what is morally or legally wrong by objecting to that and not accepting it as responsible parenting and the British Culture, because the McC's and CM say so?
I am entitled to my opinion.
Jojam,
You really must get this idea out of your head that I regret anything I say. If I was going to regret it, I would never say it. As far as I am concerned, a little girl is missing and it is ALL her parents fault. They admitted to leaving the kids on their own, so if I then complain about it (i.e., their admission), what is the problem??
Well what does "held accountable for what they have written" mean, if not libel charges? How ELSE can you hold someone "accountable for what they have written" if not by taking them to court and charging them with defamation? Are you suggesting you can hold them accountable by smacking them on the bum, or taking away their lollipop, perhaps?
Jojam,
I regret nothing, as I have stated from Oct. 07 at the DE until now.
Child neglect is immoral, illegal and most definitely unacceptable no matter who commits it. The 3 children in question IMHO were neglected, they were left alone to fend for themselves aged 3,2 & 2 open to all kinds of danger let alone abduction. Do not try to threaten me, freedom of speech allows me to have an opinion.
Bianca,
I have never said any thing horrible about the PJ or the McCanns' so I would appreciate it if you would treat me as an individual not one of a 'lot' I also ask you please if you must quote me do it accurately.
I suggest you think before you type.........read & edit before you post
Have a nice evening
Well Jojam, sorry if I've lumped you in with the proles unfairly, but you must admit, you DID make a threatening comment in here about libel, which is a very "pro-blog" thing to do!
Anyway, I wish you a good evening also.
Good afternoon everyone
Saw this posted on 3As yesterday by Elibean, does anyone know if there is any truth in it?
Just posting something I have been sent......this does NOT come from my sister, and I have no real way of knowing whether or not it is for real....but the track record so far has been good
"yeah, i know that 2 are definitely here and the rest to follow on monday, although i've been told sunday.
the mccanns will arrive in portugal on friday 11th, judge will review case on monday 14th. murat will be released from arguido status. mccanns will have access to files from monday 14th possibly. the reason i say this is, i've have found out that charges may be made on the 14th possibly the 11th. when charges are made , suspects are allowed access to files.
lawyer for mccanns confirmed on portugal tv today that they may have access to files on the 14th. sky news has this on their interactive now.
as i said a long time ago, they were always going to portugal on the 11th or 14th. looks like my sources were correct, so i have no reason to doubt any pf the above.
its all coming together quite nicely."
"also 2 officers from SOCA and 2 from scitland yard serious crime office will also be present at some interviews next week"
He told me that, again, it's fine to pass these on.
Jojam/Bianca I think one of the problems is that we are all classed as either this lot or that lot which is unfair. We all are individuals with our own opinions and would probably beable to compromise some of our views if we were not labelled IMO
Di maybe some has access to the easyjet bookings for those dates and can check it out :-)
Viv
With freedom of speech comes responsibility & accountability.
Those who do not abuse the freedom and behave responsibly have nothing to fear if they can justify what they say and it is not libelous. so why should your posters feel threatened?
Gina,
I do not consider myself an anti McCann, I neither hate, love or feel sorry for them I am indifferent towards them. I do not love M, I do not know her, my love is solely for my family and friends. I do feel a tremendous amount of sympathy for M, she has been badly let down by the people that mean the world to her. If this poor little soul is still alive I feel so very sorry for her and do hope she is not being ill treated, still hoping that some poor misguided soul/s have her and treating her as their own and looking after her well. If I am Anti anything it is child neglect, if that offends some then tough, do not read my posts. I do not subscribe to the abduction viewpoint quite simply because not one 'pro' (their label not mine) can convince me that it happened. What happened to this little girl I do not know and do hope the PJ solve the case. I agree there should be no labels, however some people cannot manage without them.
Viv,
Once again many thanks for this blog, a place to get a perspective from like minded people. All your info is very much appreciated by me.
Gina - I used to think that too, but after going over to the Pro blog and trying to be diplomatic with them, and even having them be quite diplomatic with ME, I realised that ultimately, we are not similar people. Even if we can agree on certain minor points, the big, important things will never be in sync, as the two mindsets (pro verses anti) are just too different! And it goes beyond just the McCann case; it's a general attitude toward life . Some of the things they say over there, that they just take as "normal", are absolutely outrageous to me, and I know it's the same in reverse (i.e., they are disgusted by things I say!). I don't understand them, and I have spent enough frustrating, hair pulling sessions in their blog and at the DE to know that they don't understand me! I don't know what it is .. just different people?? I'm smart enough to to realise that there may be some people at the Pro blog who have a vested interest in not "understanding" me.
There's a reason that the original posters at the DE split into two, distinct groups. Maybe some "anti's" would disagree with my view, I don't know, but certainly, this is the conclusion I have come to after all these months!
Gina
I have read posts from Elibean before, and if I remember they have turned out to be correct. Although, I notice this information has come via a different source and not from her sister. I wish I could remember how her sister gets the info but can't. Maybe 2345 can!
Docmac,
Sorry I had to disappear yesterday.
I am sorry, but I do not trust people in exile and the headings like: White farmers are coming back, do not inspire me. And I do not believe, having knowledge of the region, that the mane population ever gained from prosperity of the country.
Opposition that pays with foreign money for a vote is not better then government that frightens population to vote.
Anyway we all know what it is about, like in Iraq.
Sorry to go off track, but the disinformation about Zimbabwe is of the same origin as UK disinformation about McCanns.
Jojam,
With parenting comes responsibilty and accountability.
Those who do not neglect their children for their own freedom and behave responsibly have nothing to fear. IMHO.
JoJam - nobody here "fears" libel. They know it is a bunch of crap and that they can not be charged with it.
What they don't like (abhor) is people threatening it, because it is so arrogant, stupid and rude.
We know we can't be charged with libel, but we know you THINK we can, so what angers us (well, me anyway), is your (and others) nerve to think you can come in here and "scare" us or stop us from saying what we want to say.
It's not the "libel" that upsets us (because it isn't real), it's you! (and others like you).
Pro or Anti
I have never liked the above labels.
If ever I am discussing the case with friends or family I always use the words, believer or none believer, and I am talking about the facts that we are aware of.
None of us know anything for sure, but we are still entitled to an opinion.
Zodiac, hats off to you for your total honesty. I guess I share many of your views too. In the beginning I had nothing but pity for the McCanns and what they must be suffering as I did not think it possible could be anything other than an abduction. However as time has gone on and I have seen for myself this totally unnecessary media circus that they have created, the online shop, the OTT funding that has been given to them it does anger me that they do not know when to stop ( I do not mean looking for their child IF she is missing). Madeleine as sweet as she is, is one of many and to give one child this much attention is wrong IMO. I have lost respect for the McCanns totally for many reasons and although like you I am indifferent towards them it still angers me that they still intend to make films and books about this and I do not think the money will go direct into a fund for ALL missing kids. I will wait and see on that one.
Gina 16.18
Yes, I saw that :-) Naughty you, but at least I'll have an audience of one while Rosiepops on his unicycle and Supertroll with his protest banner heckle in the background.
Sorry, got called away to help find a colleague's broom. Claims she went for a meal and when she returned to check it had vanished. There have apparently been a few unsubstantiated sightings of a swarthy fellow hanging around the broom cupboard which was left unlocked. Everyone is now chipping in to a fund to help find the broom and the broom thief.
Bianca, I know exactly what you mean, been there, don't it, got the tee shirt and gave up
Docmac, first it is bundleman, now broom man, what are his teeth like
I personally dislike the McCanns. I can not help that. I can not feel "indifferent" to people who obviously have such a low regard for their own children and children in general. However, I think the punishment should fit the crime, and to date, and with all the "evidence" that has been presented in the media, from what I can see their only crime is neglect. Now don't get me wrong - this is a huge crime, and this huge crime is the main reason I can not stand them. However, it is still not murder, or even manslaughter (although, it could possibly neglect leading to manslaughter). If they are innocent of direct involvement in Maddy's abduction, then I think they should be released from their arguido status and have their names cleared. It's only fair. However, what about the neglect? Should that go permanently unpunished? I don't think so. If neglect charges are part of the overall case that will be presented by the PJ if it ever gets to trial, then I hope the PJ at least win this charge, and the McCanns are jailed for at least a year or made to do community service as punishment.
Gina 17.14pm,
I believe honesty is always the best policy. I totally agree with you regarding that all missing children are of equal importance. I also agree about the books, films etc it is in such bad taste and so disrepectful. IMHO. I also agree that I do not think any of the money will go to a fund for ALL missing children. Read you later. BBFN.
Bianca,
The libel threats are really becoming boring and to me a huge indication of desperation, despair etc. I honestly do not think Rat would say anything to you as an Anon, as Gina says just another S stirrer. Read you another day, Bianca. BBFN.
Bianca, stop getting yourself in a fizz about it hun. Far short of a minor miracle, they are going to walk away from any charges, neglect and any others that may be appropriate. Remember the saying "it is not what you know it is who you know, and in this case what the who you knows can do"
Off now may catch you all later xx
Irina
It's not the white farmers who are returning. They have been given huge tracts of land in Mozambique and Zambia, amongst others. They also have access to government grants which they did not get back home. It is the native Zimbabweans wanting to return, those driven out by poverty, famine and Mugabe's henchmen. With inflation running at 100 000 percent the price of basic commodities doubles a few times daily. Do you know that the notes required to buy a loaf of bread (if available) weighs around 10 pounds?! Tsvangari has already stated that his first action will be to float the Z dollar, not just print more money. Perhaps being closer to the 'action' we get more news regarding Zim than the UK does. It takes up pages 1 to 4 in the Cape Argus this evening, plus most of the editorial page.
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