Cheers for a great thread LGC, these are just a few pics Luke and I took today on a rainy day and when it was pitch black tonight which I thought turned out rather arty Viv x
Viv has asked me (LGC) to start a new thread about a cheeky Dutch connection...
...many people who have espied Madeleine on her travels all over Europe and North Africa have turned out to be from Holland. Are the Dutch particularly well-travelled? Haven't they got homes to go to? Or could there perhaps be the teensiest link with the McCanns who used to live there and who (presumably) made many Dutch friends?
I posted extracts from this the other day. It's from the 3As, written by PolandGuy. It's longish, but worth following through to the end.
http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10497&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=dutch+connection
Poland Guy writes:-
I always find it useful to take a peek at the “Properties” of Word or other documents. It never ceases to amaze me how careless some people are. In the new HTFM website, http://helpingtofindmadeleine.org you will find downloadable Word documents in the news section.
The document “Statement Morocco” reveals its properties to be that of:
Author: Isabelle, Company: St Johns Chambers. A quick google search reveals St Johns Chambers to be a Bristol-based legal company, http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/:
Welcome to St John's Chambers. From Commercial & Chancery to Family, and from Public & Administrative Law to Personal Injury, St John’s Chambers provides one of the most comprehensive sources of legal expertise and advice in the South West. We have over 60 respected Barristers, with six Silks, including many nationally renowned specialists, often working on high profile cases that are of national importance.
Our client base includes many major regional and national law firms, representing prominent businesses and private individuals requiring representation and advice. In all cases we seek to make our services accessible, flexible and focused on the people that matter most – our clients.
And a key employee is indeed Isabelle Mills, http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/client_service/
Isabelle MillsIsabelle Mills, Office Manager is responsible for the Administration of Chambers as well as providing assistance to Mr. Richard Stead, Head of Chambers and Mr. Vincent Denham, Chief Executive. In addition, Isabelle is also currently responsible for chambers marketing activities, public relations, co-ordinating the website, seminars and roadshows for our practice groups. Isabelle also manages our client satisfaction feedback programme.
It is possible that Isabelle Mills is a lone loony, using her office computer to generate material for the HTFM website. However, the fact that St Johns Chambers specialize in the areas of:
Child Abduction http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/child_care/
and Clinical Negligence http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/clinical_negligence/
and Holiday Litigation http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/holiday_litigation/
suggests the possibility of a broader commercial relationship between themselves and the Tapas group, or members thereof. If this were true, then Mills' role may be to generate public support for the McCanns via her HTFM activities, thereby making possible litigation against the PJ and/or Mark Warner more likely to succeed and/or successful prosecution by the PJ more difficult. It would certainly fit in with her role in the company of being "responsible for chambers marketing activities, public relations, co-ordinating the website...
"It is also worth noting that one of Isabelle Mills' functions is "providing assistance to Mr. Richard Stead, Head of Chambers". The website informs us as follows:
New Head of Chambers at St Johns. We are delighted to announce that Richard Stead is the new Head of Chambers with Susan Jacklin QC and Leslie Blohm QC as his Deputy Heads.
It is a remarkable coincidence that there is also a Richard Stead who owns a villa in Praia da Luz:http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P4567.htm (see bottom of page)http://www.villa-praia-luz.com/ Richard Stead of St John's Chambers has since contacted the3arguidos.net, denying that he is the owner of the Algarve villa.
Finally, the other Word document on the HTFM site, on "Spain, Ceuta, Melilla Islands", is by "Godelieve”, but no company is given. However, a quick glance at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/prot ... tures.html, which is an online petition signed by Isabelle Mills, suggests that “Godelieve” is surely Godelieve Koelma. Godelieve Koelma seems to be a web designer and all-round funky person, as her website http://www.lieveke.com/Default.htm reveals.
She also has a myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/lieveke_dot_com
A Dutch connection!
Note: during the course of the afternoon of April 24th, after this thread had been running for several hours, the Word documents at the original addresses above were pulled from the HTFM site, and replaced by identical .pdf documents, with the properties listed above removed.However, the original Word documents with their original properties were saved, and can be viewed here together with their .pdf equivalents:1. Dec Doc: http://www.tapas9.info/content/htfm_statement_morocco.doc2. Feb Doc: http://www.tapas9.info/content/febstatement.doc3. Dec PDF: http://www.tapas9.info/content/htfm_statement_morocco.doc4. Feb PDF: http://www.tapas9.info/content/feb14_2008_statement.pdf
LGC continues...
Dolores posted this on another thread:-
Truth and Lies April 29, 2008
The police denied the information published by Sky News. The PJ said to be unaware of an attempted abduction of a minor Dutch in the Algarve as publishes Sky News. The case involve a suspect whose description is similar to that given in the disappearance of Madeleine. An official of the Judicial Department of Portimao reported to the Portuguese press that the PJ was unaware of any situation of this kind and there was no ongoing investigation on this matter.
According to Sky News, the young Dutch 15 years returned home, to 18.00 on 11 March, after going into a supermarket nearby. It was followed by a man in black jeep, tinted windows that would open the door of his car to prevent the teenager to continue his path. It would have then tried to force the girl to climb on board. The Dutch will be discussed and reportedly managed to escape the clutches of her attacker. The young man described about 40 years, long hair, gold ring fingers.
According to Sky News, the description coincides with that of the man that Kate and Gerry McCann believe they have abducted their daughter. For the record, the man was wearing robot prepared in case McCann was identified in his time and absolved of all suspicion in this case. The father of the young Dutch wished to remain anonymous. Elements disturbing.
It is noteworthy that the Netherlands are frequently since the beginning of the disappearance of Madeleine. In fact, Gerry has worked in the Netherlands and many relations. The woman who saw Madeleine in a gas station in Morocco lives or has lived in the....The woman who claims to have seen Madeleine in Belgium is ...Dutch. The girl who reported seeing Madeleine dancing in a restaurant in France is ...Dutch. The girl's article Sky News is ... Dutch.
Simple coïncidence? In all cases, these elements are disturbing. Some people, convinced of the first hour, "against winds and tides" of the innocence of parents have come to wonder: "If the parents are innocent, why the machine communications Clarence Mitchell seeks, sometimes quite awkward , To doubt the public? "
And, as Dolores points out, weren't the twins born in Holland? (Do they have many Dutch Uncles??)
Is there a Dutch connection connection?
...many people who have espied Madeleine on her travels all over Europe and North Africa have turned out to be from Holland. Are the Dutch particularly well-travelled? Haven't they got homes to go to? Or could there perhaps be the teensiest link with the McCanns who used to live there and who (presumably) made many Dutch friends?
I posted extracts from this the other day. It's from the 3As, written by PolandGuy. It's longish, but worth following through to the end.
http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10497&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=dutch+connection
Poland Guy writes:-
I always find it useful to take a peek at the “Properties” of Word or other documents. It never ceases to amaze me how careless some people are. In the new HTFM website, http://helpingtofindmadeleine.org you will find downloadable Word documents in the news section.
The document “Statement Morocco” reveals its properties to be that of:
Author: Isabelle, Company: St Johns Chambers. A quick google search reveals St Johns Chambers to be a Bristol-based legal company, http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/:
Welcome to St John's Chambers. From Commercial & Chancery to Family, and from Public & Administrative Law to Personal Injury, St John’s Chambers provides one of the most comprehensive sources of legal expertise and advice in the South West. We have over 60 respected Barristers, with six Silks, including many nationally renowned specialists, often working on high profile cases that are of national importance.
Our client base includes many major regional and national law firms, representing prominent businesses and private individuals requiring representation and advice. In all cases we seek to make our services accessible, flexible and focused on the people that matter most – our clients.
And a key employee is indeed Isabelle Mills, http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/client_service/
Isabelle MillsIsabelle Mills, Office Manager is responsible for the Administration of Chambers as well as providing assistance to Mr. Richard Stead, Head of Chambers and Mr. Vincent Denham, Chief Executive. In addition, Isabelle is also currently responsible for chambers marketing activities, public relations, co-ordinating the website, seminars and roadshows for our practice groups. Isabelle also manages our client satisfaction feedback programme.
It is possible that Isabelle Mills is a lone loony, using her office computer to generate material for the HTFM website. However, the fact that St Johns Chambers specialize in the areas of:
Child Abduction http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/child_care/
and Clinical Negligence http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/clinical_negligence/
and Holiday Litigation http://www.stjohnschambers.co.uk/holiday_litigation/
suggests the possibility of a broader commercial relationship between themselves and the Tapas group, or members thereof. If this were true, then Mills' role may be to generate public support for the McCanns via her HTFM activities, thereby making possible litigation against the PJ and/or Mark Warner more likely to succeed and/or successful prosecution by the PJ more difficult. It would certainly fit in with her role in the company of being "responsible for chambers marketing activities, public relations, co-ordinating the website...
"It is also worth noting that one of Isabelle Mills' functions is "providing assistance to Mr. Richard Stead, Head of Chambers". The website informs us as follows:
New Head of Chambers at St Johns. We are delighted to announce that Richard Stead is the new Head of Chambers with Susan Jacklin QC and Leslie Blohm QC as his Deputy Heads.
It is a remarkable coincidence that there is also a Richard Stead who owns a villa in Praia da Luz:http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/portugal/P4567.htm (see bottom of page)http://www.villa-praia-luz.com/ Richard Stead of St John's Chambers has since contacted the3arguidos.net, denying that he is the owner of the Algarve villa.
Finally, the other Word document on the HTFM site, on "Spain, Ceuta, Melilla Islands", is by "Godelieve”, but no company is given. However, a quick glance at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/prot ... tures.html, which is an online petition signed by Isabelle Mills, suggests that “Godelieve” is surely Godelieve Koelma. Godelieve Koelma seems to be a web designer and all-round funky person, as her website http://www.lieveke.com/Default.htm reveals.
She also has a myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/lieveke_dot_com
A Dutch connection!
Note: during the course of the afternoon of April 24th, after this thread had been running for several hours, the Word documents at the original addresses above were pulled from the HTFM site, and replaced by identical .pdf documents, with the properties listed above removed.However, the original Word documents with their original properties were saved, and can be viewed here together with their .pdf equivalents:1. Dec Doc: http://www.tapas9.info/content/htfm_statement_morocco.doc2. Feb Doc: http://www.tapas9.info/content/febstatement.doc3. Dec PDF: http://www.tapas9.info/content/htfm_statement_morocco.doc4. Feb PDF: http://www.tapas9.info/content/feb14_2008_statement.pdf
LGC continues...
Dolores posted this on another thread:-
Truth and Lies April 29, 2008
The police denied the information published by Sky News. The PJ said to be unaware of an attempted abduction of a minor Dutch in the Algarve as publishes Sky News. The case involve a suspect whose description is similar to that given in the disappearance of Madeleine. An official of the Judicial Department of Portimao reported to the Portuguese press that the PJ was unaware of any situation of this kind and there was no ongoing investigation on this matter.
According to Sky News, the young Dutch 15 years returned home, to 18.00 on 11 March, after going into a supermarket nearby. It was followed by a man in black jeep, tinted windows that would open the door of his car to prevent the teenager to continue his path. It would have then tried to force the girl to climb on board. The Dutch will be discussed and reportedly managed to escape the clutches of her attacker. The young man described about 40 years, long hair, gold ring fingers.
According to Sky News, the description coincides with that of the man that Kate and Gerry McCann believe they have abducted their daughter. For the record, the man was wearing robot prepared in case McCann was identified in his time and absolved of all suspicion in this case. The father of the young Dutch wished to remain anonymous. Elements disturbing.
It is noteworthy that the Netherlands are frequently since the beginning of the disappearance of Madeleine. In fact, Gerry has worked in the Netherlands and many relations. The woman who saw Madeleine in a gas station in Morocco lives or has lived in the....The woman who claims to have seen Madeleine in Belgium is ...Dutch. The girl who reported seeing Madeleine dancing in a restaurant in France is ...Dutch. The girl's article Sky News is ... Dutch.
Simple coïncidence? In all cases, these elements are disturbing. Some people, convinced of the first hour, "against winds and tides" of the innocence of parents have come to wonder: "If the parents are innocent, why the machine communications Clarence Mitchell seeks, sometimes quite awkward , To doubt the public? "
And, as Dolores points out, weren't the twins born in Holland? (Do they have many Dutch Uncles??)
Is there a Dutch connection connection?
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The Cherry on the cake bit, was an expression that for me that was the best bit, i.e., usually the cherry.
Gina
A lioness who had to "catch" dinner, I like that one. Doesn't the lion then stay behind until she gets back with the food? There are many different kinds of animals in this world who make better parents then the McCann's.
Does anyone know if Gerry has given up work? With all the trips abroad and TV appearances, how does he fit it all in?
Hi all
I see there are a lot of points addressed to me after I popped off to the docs.he now tells me I have an underactive thyroid gland and have drugs for that also now! ~So at least I have a good excuse for putting on so much weight ! I am hoping I will now go immediately back to my former sylph like self
I will try and answer some of the points now:
Joe: I think your comment is right, there is an incredible strain on their marriage, there will be bitter recriminations, each blaming the other for the neglect and whatever else ensued. The only thing that is holding them together at present is fear of the police which I think they both persuade themselves can only be combated by them putting on a united front to the general public, regardless of how strained the atmosphere is at home.
Setting their living room up to look like a play room/washateria is not going to fool anyone. Their living room never looked like that before on previous inside looks we have been given. It looked like the children had toys in the room, not the toys completely took over.
For the second time, just like, Panorama, someone hit on the bizarre idea that showing Kate hanging clothes on a clothes horse would make her look like a normal mom but setting a clothes horse up in the main living area of a couple who have money, a large home and all mod cons just makes this look even more staged and ridiculous. It told us loud and clear we were not seeing the McCanns as they really are, but how they want us to see them, complete with an almost empty "nasty" box!
LGC I hope your son did OK in his aural French. I have to say that given it is donkey's years since I did that at school, I could not have been much help!
In the last few years when I was a probation officer, you will be amazed that we were given this computerised gadget to produce a pre-sentence report called EOAsys. Suddenly having to fill in all the boxes and answers stupid questions that did not apply it started to take an awful lot longer to assess an offender and produce a report coherently that a busy judge would appreciate, little graphs and tables started to appear… Having to look individually at all the little bits that contribute to an offender's problems leading to offending can tend to lose sight of the bigger picture e.g. one for accommodation, one for drugs, one for alcohol, one for attitudes, one for thinking and behaviour, one for mental health et al ad nauseum. How helpful of them..someone needs a good templating around the earole IMO x
I did notice the lack of eye contact between them, they were concentrating hard sticking to the script. Whenever the script got difficult, the hands went up on the chin or near the ear etc. Kate continued that terrible habit of looking down left, a clear indicator that someone is accessing the area of the brain that helps them to create a believable story rather than retrieving known facts. Most definitely, it was not just what they were saying that made them look terribly dodgy but their presentation too. Luke agreed with me that when Kate comes out of the church and starts to screw her face up proclaiming please pray for her, she is lovely, was about the worse piece of cynical acting anyone could put on. She wanted to emphasise who pretty and lovely Madeleine is, that would not have been the priority here, would it unless you wanted the cash to continue to roll and the wave of public sympathy of course…she may have had it then off many, I don’t think she does now!
Ola Claudia
If you can stomach it the documentary is available off the ITV webpage, or at least one hour of the sickening stuff anyway..happy viewing..(!)
Di - if a TV company attempted to reconstruct all the different McCann generated scenarios I fear the costs would far outweigh what they could hope to earn from it! ITV have clearly been motivated by sheer commercialism but many people are saying "what a bore". Did they allow themselves to be convinced the public find the McCann repeated lies worth listening to yet again? I think the McCanns should accept we are not interested in their apparent suffering, we are only interested in the real victim, little Madeleine. Quite naturally offenders who are near to being charged do suffer, but it was self-inflicted and the more they keep telling lies the deeper they did that hole or the tighter they pull the rope they were offered by the police to incriminate themselves still further, which they undoubtedly have. Inconsistent lies convict people.
I think Sky comment that McCanns will remain arguidos until someone is actually charged is absolutely correct, just for a change, I know! This is why Murat is still an arguido, he will be cleared at the end of the process and the McCanns will be charged.
Stella
Well good for Fern for having the decency to actually ask a question the public want an answer to, although we already know, and of course Kate does turn to Gerry in horror when she gets hit with one like that. He does not make a very good job of smoothing the unsmoothable does he, and he will not in court either..whilst also seeking to rely on his favourite get out clause, which they have systematically ignored, he tells us they always did the same, yes we know Gerry left your kids on their own with not a care in the world other than you and Kate having some me time and saving the costs or trouble of proper care for your own little children. Kate even told us they just could not carry three children to Milleniums, half a mile away, is that why they just dumped their children every chance they got on this holiday? Do children aged two and nearly four actually need carrying everywhere? If parents know they are going a long walk with little ones to they make appropriate arrangements e.g. with my youngest two when I was a fit young mum who used to like to walk about 10 miles (more than half a mile), pop them in a pushchair! They actually make themselves sound hopelessly inadequate and that they cannot even provide appropriate equipment for their kids. There again, they conveniently lost the buggy didn't they?
Hi Gina
In fairness my recollection is the MEP's did applaud them, what else could they have done, they are very polite people and in a way such a performance is quite remarkable!
Dolores
I do not think Gerry actually smiles, this implies someone thinking fondly of some incident or person, he smirks, thinking how clever, conning and manipulative he believes that he is. To any normal parent, if you want to put them at their ease and make them feel happy, you just ask them about their children, that genuine smile immediately arrives, never a smirk. Even the intonation in his voice, when he says Madeleine is hostile and sinister, like someone who caused them trouble, not oh my lovely baby..genuine smile or look of genuine, distraught grief. We saw the agonising combination of these two in Rhys's mum in particular. Earlier that in the faces of Mr and Mrs Lawrence, devoted smiles when recollecting their beautiful son, genuine agony when thinking and discussing what actually happened to him and their fraught quest for justice which ultimately drove them apart and destroyed their relationship.
ROB
So you spotted and MEP doing the slow handclap and the look of sheer derision, well good for him for not seeking to hide what he really thought. Would we not have expected the vote by now or some clearer indication. The alert is a good idea in principle for genuinely abducted children, the story about how one little boy was rescued from a paedophile's garage in 12 hours was wonderful although we were not told whether or not he had already been molested.
Rather a long post guys, I think that is enough!
Luv Vivx
PLEASE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE PORTUGUESE AND BRITISH POLICE WILL BRING JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE BETH McCANN. NO MATTER WHAT THE McCANNS SAY OR DO OR HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GET PAID FOR THEIR APPEARANCES THEY CANNOT CHANGE THE DUE PROCESS OF LAW. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TURNED AGAINST THE PORTUGUESE POLICE - THE BRITISH POLICE WERE ALWAYS ALSO INVOLVEDX
Viv , of course we all will continue to believe. We can try to make something happen ( as shown by your 5 star blog) but we cannot force events to go the way we want.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE PORTUGUESE AND BRITISH POLICE WILL BRING JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE BETH McCANN. NO MATTER WHAT THE McCANNS SAY OR DO. (Here, Here)
(IMHO)The McCann's believe they have got away with it - I am sure of that. However, things have a funny way of rising to the surface.
Hi Viv
Sorry to hear about your thyroid trouble, my sister has the same thing and aparently it runs in families. She had trouble with the Doctors putting her on the right level of thyroxine?, I think that's how you spell it. My sister felt she needed a higher level, and he was reluctant to increase it for some reason. she got their in the end. I hope you get the level you will need.
Viv,
Did you notice when Fern asked if this had put a strain on the marriage Kate averted her gaze to Gerry and could not answer,and left it up to him.I was expecting an immediate response like,we are stronger than ever etc.,etc., which left me thinking that indeed their marriage is in dire straits.
XX D
Another question I would have liked the ITN presenter to ask them last night was what was the truth about the doors and windows scenario, first locked, window tampered with, then door unlocked etc. That would have really put them on the spot because they definitely changed that story, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the 40 questions the PJ's wanted Kate to answer!
About them not taking a buggy with them - I am surprised if none of the holiday complexes in Praia de Luz hired out buggies - I know they do here in Spain. But anyway why didn't they take one along with them - it's a necessity not a luxury with three children under 4 for God's sake!
Stella -
I thought you meant that Gerry had mentioned something about the cherry on the cake!
I'm sure he thinks all these personal appearances and all that lovely money going into the McCann coffers is a cherry on the cake!!
Nx
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7378010.stm
They do not like the forums look at this no wonder HoF removed their posts.
Hi Viv -
Sorry to hear you have an underactive thyroid problem, but with the medication they put you on,there is no reason why you shouldn't live to 100! It is a very common problem, but of course there are different levels of it.
My husband has a thyroid problem too - he started losing a lot of weight so he went off to the doctors (this was about 12 years ago) and there was a locum on who stupidly diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome and he put him on this medication for IBS. He continued losing weight and looking so ill he went back and saw our normal doctor who looked at him and immediately said he had a thyroid problem and if he'd continued on the IBS treatment he could have suffered a heart attack! He was given the right medication and he now has annual check ups. He did have some radioactive treatment after about three years and has never looked back.
So don't worry Viv - once on the medication you should start to feel much less tired and listless; not that you are showing any signs of that with all the stuff you do on Madeleine's behalf!
Just saw a one liner on BBC midlands that the McCanns are considering taking action against blogs and chatrooms. The say many are a cesspit of lies and speculation. The should talk to a few other celebrities who will tell them that not every is a fan
Hi, Viv!
The ITV doco will also be aired here on Sunday. But I'm not sure I can stomach it. I've watched excerpts and it is kind of disgusting.
Hiya all and thanks so much for your concern about my health. My mom's sister had this but lived until 86! My GP has put me on 50 mg thyroxine which is quite a high starting dose and I am waiting to feel like I was about 30 again and be that slim too:-) I do understand now what has been causing a lot of the health effects, poor sleeping, energy, concentration, aching swelling joints etc Hopefully you will all get a new improved me!!
Going to see my lovely old mum x
Talk to you tomorrow and will read you all again later.
Zodiac, Gina: I can think of two internet blogs (that do not need naming!) that truly are cesspits to the extent one of them had to remove all their comments, the other does not even have the brain to do that and both describe themselves as supporting the McCanns. However, in my legal opinion the McCanns would have a valid cause of action against them..by associating them with such vitriolic filth they clearly further damage the McCanns reputation.
Luv Viv x
Viv, maybe they were warned about their comments against the PJ. Not a clever move at such a delicate time.
I take exception to Clarence making the statements that it is normal to get the children bathed and in bed early so that parents can have some time, it is our culture. By saying that he is endorsing what the McCanns did as being our culture. I am absolutely sick to death of people only relating to the safety of the kids as far as an abduction was concerned and not addressing that they were out of sight and earshot and many accidents could have befallen toddlers. Do they honestly think we do not have the right to criticise that when they have spoken to the world on our behalf with the wrong facts, ie it is not our culture
Viv, I bet that in a couple of weeks you'll be younger than I am! :-) Hope the medication solves the problem, my friend.
Gina, they can delete all the comments they like. Too late. :-)
Viv,
I also have HALF of an underactive thyroid gland( after the other half had been removed in a surgery) and must take thyroxin forever.
Nothing worrying or serious about it.
Cheers!
Hello, Marga!
Hi, Cláudia, I'm having a 3 day congress and now I'm watching Sic and reading the blog.
Hope everything is ok with everyone here. I'll only be available on sunday to say hello to everyone here.
Hugs!
And I don't know when I'll be available. My house is a mess! :-) Furniture changed, floor replaced, etc. I might not manage to be online in the next few days.
xxxx
The point about this blog is whilst our individual opinions are that we 'feel' something strange about these two and their friends (In other words our 'gut' tells us they are involved) All we are all saying is get these two into court in front of a judge and 'JUDGE' them based on facts.
A 3 yr old girl disappeared and we would like the parents to be investigated very very carefully as their seem to be a lot of inconsistencies backed up by dubious behaviour and further backed up by dodgy body language.
Thus that is more than enough to get them inot a courtroom to answer direct questions.
Now what is wrong with that in a 'democratic' society. Absolutely nothing. BUT they want to tarnish all thinking thoughtful people like ourselves who put Madeleine first as ignorant scum.
I don't need a script to write any of these blogs and I never needed a script when I took the government to court and won and changed a law in britain thabnks to my honesty, integrity and the skill of the barristers involved. Both of whom are very high up Judges now. So let them come and we will see if free speech and integrity rules this country in 2008. It is nothing more than Robert Mugabe / Robert Maxwell scare tactics.
PS Now we know why Clarence went very quiet. He was holed up running mock interviews with these two. Even with all that training there body language gives them away (IMO)
What a shame... the program in SIC has as commentor UST the LAWYER defendent of family mc...
Sorry for my bad spelling again, working with children knackers you out and by the evenings I am zonked.
Dear Viv,
'Due process of law', as you always say, due process of honest inquiry in all its forms including libel law, as I believe, right from the outset of this weird case.
However long it takes, whatever it takes, this will take public strength in pursuit of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - something the McCanns and their supporters have evaded in their self-serving, egotistical, expensive pursuit of self-preservation, imo.
Viv: no surrender. You know this is true.
Much love,
leigh
KATE and MRS HEALEY: 'To thine own self be true, then as night follows day, thou canst not be false to another.' (Shakespeare).
Think or your immortal souls, and your self on this mortal coil.
xo
leigh
The portuguese lawyer of mccans rogerio alves said in TV SIC, macnns are ready to participate in the reconstitution...is it thruth? .. he said the problem is with other people needed to the reconstituition
Hi, Mandarinn.
I have the feeling that anything is a good excuse. Rogério Alves was just doing his job, obviously, but I liked the part where he stated that he believes the McCanns to be innocent but that he may be wrong and anything is possible. That is what a call a cautious defence lawyer! :-)
You are right,but i don't think it is correct their layer being commmmmmmmmentor on their case
Mandarinn, I agree with what you're saying. But to be honest, that statement of his regarding their innocence made me smile! :-)
And did you like the poll by ortugal news, a newspaper made by and for ex pats in Portugal? 1- Do you think the PJ dealt with the case in an appropiate manner? Yes, 68%; No 32%. 2- Do you think the parents are somehow involved? Yes, 47%; No 53%. 3- Do you think the criticism of the PJ in the British media is fair? Yes, 23%; No 77%.
Loved when the British journalist said he was not at all surprised with the results of the poll because British people who live here are the ones informed about the case and the PJ. Most of others aren't and know nothing about what they say. I guess he must have read the House of Flth! :-)
Mandarinn:
Tapas 9? That's an odd number. That's why UK politics got involved in this sad, sorry case of two dimwit, vain 30-something doctors and their media sympathisers who are kiddults; parents who don't understand their adult responsibilities because they just want to have fun, continue their teenage years...it's a British thing; spoilt brat parents visiting their ways on countries like Portugal, just like British football thugs visit their aggression on the Continent.
No mystery in this. Just British barbarism, exported, as usual...until some British people show the world what this country gave the world: independent thought, without fear or favour.
Kate and Mrs Healey: live up to your ancestors; protect what you know.
Leigh3 i think all european countries has their kidults but with what pappened to those it was fair to expect they growed up and admit their fault.
Claudia, did you see the sad figure psychiatrist did?
He look as being afraid of... i don't know what
Dear Claudia,
It's late now, and we have a quiet moment, without distracting others.
I just want to say how much I have enjoyed your honest, sincere inquiry, even when your youth provokes you to be hot headed! Mea culpa too, although I don't have the excuse of youth :-)
Dear Claudia,
Justice is slow; it is often silent; it is often frustrating. It does need to serve the hot heart, and head though, otherwise, it serves cynicism, and cold mechanics. That's not a world we want in our Western world, is it? Justice is the reflection of ourselves. It is our will, our choice, a reflection of what we want our society to be, for better or worse.
Dear Claudia, boa noite to you and Portugal, our oldest ally; the pursuit of truth is worthwhile, whatever our flaws.
Justice for Madeleine, and her family. Truth will make it so, in time. Remember: the twins, those who loved Madeleine with all their hearts.
xo, nina.
It must really bug the McCanns that the blogs call it as it seems and do not fawn over them like the Press and TV channels. I would be cautious if I were them in threatening to sue the blog forums as the PJ may have something to say first and the Blogs on the whole will not roll over like the pathetic Express Group, which was probably a set up anyway.
The shrink was pathetic. I would rather hear him defend the McCanns than being afraid to have an opinion. I mean, of course I did not expect him to say they are innocent or guilty. But he was there to have an opinion. And the McCanns are a mine to his area of expertise. As you know, I despise cowards and admire brave people who have a backbone and stand by what they believe.
Grandma Leigh, I don't think I can blame my youth, as you call it, for being hot headed. It really is a flaw! :-) And let's face it, I'm not getting any younger! :-)
Boa noite, Leigh.
Mandarinn,
The UK is the home of kiddults. Nowhere has as many 'adults' living like children; nowhere in the Western world has as many children coping with adult emotional responsibilties because no adults guide and protect them.
If anyone doubts that, check out the United Nations research. Check out the OECD research. Check out the statistics on suicide, alcoholism, drugs and pregnancy among children and under-21s.
The UK sacrifices children for adult pleasure, and the rest of the world suffers for it; children suffer for it, but the UK excuses it.
Tsk. I hope the time will come when UK responsible citizens will see these facts, and act on it...not just whinge about the McCanns who are typical of middle class complacency in the UK, ie moaning about yobs, but doing the same themselves but protected because they live in detached houses and send their kids to private schools where their weird behaviour is excused as 'high jinks', and 'mistakes', as the McCanns say. Such high jinks and 'mistakes' would be arrested on a council estate in the UK, the U.S., and the Continent.
Portuguese posters or Portuguese speaking posters, tommorrow at 9 PM, after Telejornal on RTP1, Mr Paulo Pereira Cristóvão will be there. And I believe he has quite a few things to say! :-)
Evening everyone,
So, The McCann’s Portuguese lawyer says that his clients had agreed with the reconstruction and if the prosecutor wants the reconstruction it will be done but he says something about according the dates because, maybe, they can not come all at the same time.
On the other hand Gerry says that he wants to come but that doesn’t depend only with their agreement, they were not the only ones that had been asked to come.
In other words, they are saying that is not their fault if the reconstruction would not be done, their friends are responsible! One more time is never their fault!
They know that if they do not come will be a bad step, so there are blaming the friends, what a surprise(not)!
Hello, Ana. Shifting blame has been a constant. It was a matter of time until it was the other Tapas turn. Personally, I find it amusing! :-)
Cláudia,
Hi,how are you?
I will watch!
Mandarinn,
Maybe the stupid shrink was invited by Rogério Alves!lol
Hi Viv,
An article by Jon Guant from the Sun...May 2nd.
Come off TV, Kate and Gerry, your time is up
JON GAUNT - Sun Columnist
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Published: 02 May 2008
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IT must be just me, but the Maddie documentary left me feeling less sympathetic to Gerry and Kate than I was before.
It was a two-hour bore-fest with a centre softer than a marshmallow. And my God, did the background music get on your nerves too?
There was no real probe into why they chose to leave their three children home alone.
I accept that their proposal for an amber alert system is a great idea and should be implemented right across Europe.
However, I couldn’t believe their bleating over the fact that their campaign was bumped off the front pages by the revelation that Maddie had asked why Mummy hadn’t come to their room the night before when she was crying.
This was, at best, naive.
Of course a revelation like this will go straight to the top of the news agenda.
The question remains: Why didn’t Kate and Gerry talk to us about this earlier?
Booze
Again let me state, I don’t know whether they are involved in Maddie’s disappearance — only a court can discover the truth — but I believe they are guilty of neglect.
What was all that guff about not having a buggy as a reason for leaving the kids alone in the room?
What was that nonsense about thinking there was a listening service? After a few days they must have realised that no such service was available?
Missing ... Maddie
Missing ... Maddie
Even if they didn’t realise this, surely when Maddie talked about crying on the very day she was abducted they should never have chosen to go out on the booze again.
I interviewed Emma Loach, the director of this film, on my radio show on Wednesday and she clearly illustrated where her sympathies lay when she told me she too had left her three-year-old and five-year-old alone in a hotel room while she went off and had dinner.
Her pathetic excuse for this child neglect was that it was better to do this than have the kids be irritable the next day.
Gerry and Kate said on GMTV yesterday that there are different ways to parent.
They are WRONG.
There is only way and that is to always put your kids first.
People like Loach and the McCanns clearly don’t understand that when you have kids your priorities have to change, you are no longer a singleton or a couple and you cannot act as if you are.
Your first responsibility is the safety and comfort of your children.
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This programme left me with even more questions than answers and just confirmed to me that the spinning and propaganda on both sides has to stop.
I agree with the man who brought the Bulger killers to justice, Albert Kirby, who said on my show that the McCanns’ time would be better spent going back to Portugal and helping the police with the reconstruction rather than touring TV studios.
The McCanns must return and do the reconstruction. Then the Portuguese police need to charge them or release them from their suspect status.
But please, most of all, can all the main players in this sad saga remember it is not about you and your suffering but the plight of an innocent four-year-old
Ana, I'm fine, thank you. In spite of my house being a mess. I'll probably won't be able to be online as much or at all in the next few days.
I think that tomorrow's Especial Informação will be interesting! :-)
Ana, I think the shrink didn't do Rogério Alves any favours either! :-)
Next they will be saying that they cannot afford the flight and accommodation or its too expensive.
Lizzy:
Perhaps this is the way of nature: the tide turns.
Thanks for the reminder. We always knew this was coming, didn't we.
So it will continue. The McCanns have been ill advised, imo, but I guess Gerry thinks he knows best.
Lizzy, great article. What I've been saying all these months. Although there are questions they should answer and although I am suspicious of many of their behaviours and attitudes, the only thing I am positive is that child neglect is a crime and that they comitted that crime over and over again. And worse, they still haven't realised how serious what they did is. Even when their daughter went missing due to it.
Joe, I think that the Portuguese people would gladly pay for that! :-)
Cláudia,
I find that amusing too, but I am sure the friends are aware of it and had had agreed, just can not understand why and the British police think alike! Why are they defending these two?
The shrink wasn’t doing anything; I can not understand what for he was invited! Moita flores said that it was obvious that he was there alone( referring to the other 2 opinions)…
...just dropping into say goodnight to my fellow frequenters of this particular cesspit.
We all must understand that Kate wasn't in any kind of cesspit when she tried to put the finger on Murat. I know he's no more or less an arguido than her but some arguidos are more equal than others. When Kate says she thinks an arguido might be guilty she's just being the fragrant arguido she is, but when we say it we're just showing what cesspit-dwellers we are.
I guess if we were arguidos we would be fragrant too and not cesspit dwellers at all.
Oh what a lot of b****cks we have seen in the last couple of days.
Claudia, don't forget to tell us about Especial Informação tomorrow, we need to hear some sense.
Lizzy,
The more I read, the more I like this man, this article says it all!
P.S. Lizzy.
IMO, many in the UK Press and politics will have to beat a retreat; find a graceful way to escape their backing for the gruesome twosome (sorry Kate, but it was your choice).
Gaunt is the vanguard of The Sun's retreat; Newscorp's retreat.
Gerry McCann was a fool to play the media, imo. He and his apparatchiks haven't got the nerve or the skill.
Tonight, thousands of children suffer. Last nigh was the same. Yet the narcissistic McCanns who left their babies alone, night after night, in a foreign hotel room while they wined and dined with friends presume to tell the world about child care, an Amber Alert?
Such arrogance and stupidity is rare. It is dangerous for children.
Hello leigh!
Are you on or have you gone already?If so, good night dear leight, your words always inspire me,it is obsvious that you love kids a lot just like I do! :) Thank you!
Librarising,
Right you are again, if you don't mind me saying so while my pink gloves are off ;-)
Fragrant Kate is like fragrant ... what's her name...oh, yes, Mrs Archer - the other wife who defended her husband, and narrowly escaped his fate because she was so fragrant!
Leigh,
You are on,how are you?I don´t know why I keep puting a T in your name, sorry!:(
Hi, Librarising. If I am able to use my computer, I will tell you all about it. But if I can't, Mandarinn or Ana, certainly will. It should be interesting. Paulo Pereira Cristóvão always tells it like it is! :-)
Is it not outrageous though that Pink calls the Blogs cesspits and I presume the bloggers cesspit dwellers. This from the buffoon that has spun lies and more lies for the last 10 months or so,false sightings, had people harassed who looked like the bundleman, libeled the PJ, libeled Robert Murat, insulted humanity, offended all dress codes with his ludicrous pink shirts and his bouffant hair.
Dear Ana,
You inspire me too. One child. One world. This is our aspiration; our hope for civilisation. A hope worth striving for, imo, although I'm probably more pugilistic than you, dear heart.
xo
leigh
Hiya all,
Lizzie thanks for the article from the Sun, just for change what a refreshingly honest and interesting article. Are they being clever and starting to tell it like it is, knowing what lies around the corner..About time too!
Viv x
Ana, why they are defending those two is the one million dollar question! :-)
As for the shrink, he was there because he is a regular commentator on Thursdays regardless of the topic discussed. He just decided he did not have anything to comment! ;-)
Honest Joe,
They libel Mark Warner, a wealthy UK company, reliant on a family friendly reputation.
Truth will out, although it may not come in criminal court.
Let's see...
Leigh3 ,
I hope so. The hypocrite Mitchell makes my blood boil, he does not appear to have a conscience so why be a hypocrite and criticize the blogs that question the BS? Answer: because the pink clown cannot control them.
Cláudia,
"He just decided he did not have anything to comment!"
If he decided to not comment, it would be better he wouldn’t be there this time, he has made a silly figure imo!:)
Viv,
I see the HOF has opened their doors again.It's all tea and sympathy...
XX D
Ana, agree! It was quite funny!
I also loved when Rogério Alves stated that the Mccanns had never lost faith in the PJ! Finally, something we have in common! I also never lost faith in the PJ! lolololol
Honest Joe.
You wrote: 'because the pink clown cannot control them' (the blogs).
That is what some of my friends discussed tonight, as we have done before.
Sadly, the McCann story serves Clarence's C.V. and dream of riches/fame/credibility.
I pity the McCanns, mere tools serving PR ego.
I pray for Madeleine, happy that she is safe in the hands of God, her true Father, the one who would never leave her.
Meanwhile, in this cynical world: the McCanns will meet their maker, and it won't be God. It will be the material world, money, and 'public relations'. No God would spare them from their cynical choice, imo.
Cláudia,
I loved that part too!Lol
On the other hand, this lawyer is suffering some kind of amnesia thought, I remember Kate McCann, her husband and others connected with them, accusing Portuguese Police a lot of times and they accused again last night on the ITV program !!!!
I know he is only doing his job, but lying like that to all the Portuguese people is sth I can not understand!
What can I say, $$$$$$$$$, a lot of them!
Gosh Dolores so the HOF are back in action then, well that was a short respite for the McCanns. They really cannot help being such abusive and ugly personalities.
Cláudia,
OH, and I loved when he said that Clarrie, sometimes, says stupid things!
The Sun, I have to confess is not normally a newspaper on my reading list but as the above article was good I just went to take a look.
This is a newspaper that has been extremely Pro-McCann, bar the above, and yet reading the comments posted by readers, the spin just did not work. Just like The Daily Mail, also laughably Pro-McCann the comments of readers are highly critical of their conduct. Good for them!
Viv x
Hi Dolores,
So long as Madame R has wiped any reference to Mark Warner, s/he can begin her next campaign.
Perhaps the House of PR tarts should learn from their last exposure?
Perhaps the PR tarts (male and female) should retire gracefully before they are forced to pay for their 'mistakes' ?
Ana, Rogério Alves is an intelligent man. And he is Portuguese. He knows that confirming the smears, lies and attacks directed at the PJ will make Portuguese people dislike the McCanns even more (if that is possible). That is why he said they haven't lost faith in the PJ. And that is why he also said that they will come to the reconstruction if needed. because he knows well what their uncooperative ways means to us...
Yeah, I also loved when he had a pop at CM! :-)
Viv
You have mail..:)
xx D
Dear Viv,
With all due apologies, this is the long game...the game as Rosiepops - the Madame of Disrepute leading her girl gang - said on the DE last year, the game as her masters decided last year.
Good news: Print differentiates between 'gentlemen and players'. The McCanns chose to be players. They will be treated accordingly. It's the long game. Only Print 'wins' the long game, chosen by 'players', like Thorpe, Aitken, Archer, and the McCanns.
Tis true: anyone can make a mistake; we're all human. However, some are arrogant humans; some think they are above the law.
They will answer to criminal law or libel law. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. Truth will out, in time.
Kate: get a grip. Don't be a victim like Madeleine. Eyes wide open.
Friday’s front pages
Mirror exclusive:
Kate McCann: - “W´ll find Madeleine ourselves”
Daily mail:
- "Kate one year on: A portrait of torment"
Ana, I have to agree with the Mirror title. I also think that they are the best people to find Madeleine.
Ana, love your avatar! :-)
Oh, dear Ana.
There's an old English saying: 'When you are in a hole, stop digging.'
Unfortunately, the McCanns have a JCB...a mechanical digger! An industrial, money making machine that keeps on digging a deeper hole for them, long after they should stop digging.
Sad, but true, imo.
Night night UK y boa noite Portugal, our oldest ally. Please don't leave us. We need you.
xo
leigh
Cláudia,
You are completely right, I agree totally with you regarding the mirror title! lolol
Glad you love my avatar, I luv it too! lolol
Leigh,
They are digging their own grave, imo....
Boa noite Leigh, we will be here till the end!
Ana, Clarrie looks great! :-)
Nite guys, there is a very good article in Correio which gives some pretty startling information. I am going to post a new thread! Luke also wants me to post some nice new pics he took which I think people enjoy for a bit of a diversion! Some beautiful scenery and another shot of Nanday, the Great:-)
Viv x
Cláudia,
Is the only way I can see him: a Clown!lolol
Night All,
And just for the record, no UK newspaper put the McCanns on the front page today.
Boo hoo. Big bust up for Gerry and
Clarry soon, I guess. Tactical error to do the ITV extravaganza, perhaps.
Saturday and Sunday newspapers need to fill space.
Anyone for tennis or Tapas entertainment?
How sad that one English girl neglected by her parents has become a space filler.
How sad that her parents' middle class excuses accepted by the UK for child neglect have undone decades of work by UK charities warning parents never to leave babies alone.
Tsk. Such adult excuses, self indulgence, and money making.
And people say the Press are hard cynics. Maybe people should say UK parents are shameless.
Hi, querida Viv!
Ana, I agree! :-)
Good night, all.
Have a busy day tomorrow. If you don't hear from me it's because I am not able to use my computer! :-)
xxxx
Good night, all! :)
Hi !
Sorry, been off the air for a while but now back.
Just read on the 3As that Jane Tanner & Russell O'Brien did not turn up to the service in Rothly.
Some are interpreting this as a rift - maybe they told the police the truth? Maybe the McCanns are getting desparate (all those recent interviews). At least twice Kate used the words "last chance". I think they are terrified at what might happen next now the T7 have been interviewed by the PJ.
Any thoughts?
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