29 Mar 2008

BRANSON WITHDREW SUPPORT FOR MCCANNS SEPTEMBER

Morning all, on reading posts this morning I think it was Niki from Greece who flagged up this really useful article in aiding a gap in our understanding. I have always thought but never been certain that after giving £100,000 to the McCanns for legal advice, Mr Branson then withdrew his support. This article confirms that is indeed what happened and that others including Justice McGuiness also immediately withdrew on being made aware of the very serious police case against the McCanns. I think we should be considerining this now in terms of the McCanns attempts over recent months to either sue someone or sign up to a lucrative film or television deal. IMO the reasons for this were simple, to fund the legal costs they need to fight the very serious criminal charges they know full well they are going to have to face. This is how they seek to "find Madeleine".

Viv x



Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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Two millionaire businessmen who gave money to help find Madeleine McCann refused today to contribute to the legal fight to clear her parents' name.
A mother's diary of love What the police want
Madeleine McCann: Police seize mother's diary
The couple's official spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, has also decided to step down, it emerged this afternoon. Exhaustion, and the McCanns' need for a PR adviser with more legal experience, are said to be behind her decision.

Madeleine McCann
Kate and Gerry McCann, 39, have hired top lawyers in Britain and Portugal after they were named official suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
Detectives believe Mrs McCann may have accidentally killed her daughter and relied on her husband to help cover up the crime. Although the couple insist the claims are baseless, the cost of trying to clear the "cloud of suspicion" is expected to run into tens of thousands of pounds.
Although the fighting fund set up to find Madeleine has raised more than £1 million, the trustees said the couple - who did not want to take the money anyway - would not be able to make use of the funds.
One entrepreneur, who refused to be named because of the delicate nature of the case, has given his backing in the past.
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But today he told the Evening Standard: "I am not going to contribute any more. It is a difficult issue and it is not something I propose to get engaged in.
"It is the most confusing scenario anybody has ever seen. I am not judge and jury and I hope what I am reading is wrong. I have not yet been approached [a second time] but I wouldn't put any money in.
"If they can turn the tide in some form maybe there will be loads of backers. But right now this does not look a good place to go."
A number of well known figures have publicly supported the McCanns including JK Rowling, Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson, Topshop owner Philip Green and EasyJet founder Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou.
A second wealthy businessman, who has given £100,000 to the fund, said: "We won't be pledging any more right now.
"I don't think that at the moment we would allow the money to be swapped to cover defence costs, but this is a difficult position and a very sensitive issue." The McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, returned to the UK on Sunday, 48 hours after being declared suspects by Portuguese police.
Ms McGuinness, the McCanns' spokeswoman, is expected to step down this weekend if a replacement can be found in time.
The Media Guardian website is reporting that the couple are looking for a "big hitter" to work as their full-time PR representative as the investigation into their daughter's disappearance enters a new phase.
Phil Hall, the former News of the World and Hello! editor, who has been acting as a consultant to the McCanns in recent months, is thought to be the leading contender.
Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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The world's leading expert in DNA cast doubt on a key facet of the alleged forensic evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann last night as he offered to act as an expert witness for the couple.
Sir Alec Jeffreys, who invented DNA fingerprinting, said a match did not necessarily demonstrate a person's guilt or innocence.
It follows claims that DNA samples matched to Madeleine had been found in her parents' hire car and holiday apartment. Sources said the traces were being treated by Portuguese detectives as strong evidence that Madeleine's body was placed in the car.
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However, Sir Alec told BBC's Newsnight programme: "There are no genetic characters in Madeleine that are not found in at least one other member of the family.
"So then you have an incomplete DNA profile that could raise a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of that family would have been in that car."
Sir Alec, 57, added: "DNA testing seeks to establish whether DNA sample A from a crime scene came or did not come from individual B.
"So if you get a match there's very strong evidence that it did come from B. It is then up to investigators, the courts and all the rest of it to work out whether that connection is relevant or not.
"So DNA doesn't have the words innocence or guilt in it - that is a legal concept. What it seeks to establish is connections and identifications."
Off-camera, Sir Alec said he was prepared to act as a witness for the McCanns.
His caution came as a leading genetics expert also called into question the value of DNA evidence in its own right. Dr Paul Debenham, a member of the advisory body the Human Genetics Commission, said there could be legitimate reasons as to how DNA from Madeleine found its way into the hire car.
Prosecutors would need to establish that it got there as part of a criminal process and not through chance contact, he said.
Dr Debenham said: "With the current highly sensitive DNA methodologies we can deposit DNA as a trace amount just from contact with a fabric. And that fabric can touch another surface where the DNA is passed on.
"So there is a situation where there is a legitimate or a possible explanation as to how the DNA got on the back seat despite the individual not being there, but through some legitimate transfer of garments, clothes or soft toy.
"It questions the value of that particular evidence in interpreting what happened."
The development came as it emerged that Portuguese prosecutors have applied for Gerry McCann's laptop and his wife's personal diary to be handed over to the authorities investigating their daughter's disappearance.
Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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Detectives in the Algarve are particularly keen to track emails sent by Mr McCann, a cardiologist, from the computer he used while in Portugal to keep an almost daily blog on the campaign to find Madeleine.
An urgent application for access to the personal artefacts was made by public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses to a judge in Portimao yesterday.
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
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She told The Sun: " I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
"That wee girl will be thinking, 'They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties - they don't love me because they can't find me'.
"I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.
"She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending."
Gerry's brother John McCann said last night that his brother believed the Portuguese police had "gone up a cul-de-sac".
He told BBC's The One Show: "Gerry keeps telling me that they have gone up a cul-de-sac and have lost track of what they should really be doing."
Asked whether the fact the case was being dealt with at such a high level in Portugal gave him confidence, he said: "It does and it doesn't. There is data out there, there's all these leaks.
"There is so much speculation going on as to what the actual information the Portuguese police have.
"If they have got something that suggests Madeleine really is dead then for goodness sake tell the family who have the strongest feeling for this."

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dolores said...

Hi Viv,
Ihope you are well.:)Ihave had a busy week,and just off up to London now for the BIG week-end read and talk when I get back.

xx D

viv said...

Dolores how lovely to hear from you, I always miss you when you are not around. I dont know what you will be doing in London but have a great time.

If you get chance to find any really interesting stuff as you usually do, please post!

Luv Viv xxxxxxx

Gina said...

Good Morning Viv, as you know I just posted to Swedish Mum on the other article having seen those unncessary comments made to her.

It seems to me that those who once called this site (unmentionable names) are now flying to your defence and turning their venon on those of us that used to post on Alsa's site. Apparently we are only using you. Well I think I can speak for most when I say, we are using no one, we are still having our say for Justice for Madeleine and does it matter where we say it as we are all united in the same cause. I will admit that I will probably return to Alsa's if she reopens it, but that is only because I am interested in the news from Portugal and Spain which they get and report on quicker than most other sites, as in the case of Mari Luz. As you read there and I read here I don't see it as a problem but I would ask you to please let us all know if you are not happy with what we are doing.

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

Back in for a bit (raining again)Gina love your idea about stubble but I dont want to get a rash when we kiss (having a lovely few days together although the girls are here as well now it is the weekend and so we are behaving) you know what young adults are like we only have to hug and they so "oh so gross" LOL

Just reading back on other thread but see a lot of anon and on and on zzzzzzzzzzzz Silly sods xxx

viv said...

Hi Gina

I think they have always been about creating division. What they really cannot stand is that Alsabella and I have always got on so well as anyone would have seen from the DE days.

We both want Justice for Madeleine and have both offered blogs to allow those who want the same to have their say. To speak in terms of either of us being used is just plain nonsense. It is typical of their mentality that they always have to suggest their is a war going on between two different factions. It was them that invented the Pro and Anti label. It is them that seek to set one race against the other. We do not stand for this and never will. I just do not think they can understand Alsabella and I because, thankfully we are so different to them, we believe in an inclusive world where everyone should be at peace and equalled. Where innocent people who suffer inequality and poor treatment like little Madeleine deserve our strong voice to support them. Whether on this blog or Alsabellas that is what we will continue to do, they do not like it.


Viv x

hope4truth said...

Hello Viv

I am so sorry for talking to nick earlier and explaining that this and Alsabellas site is not a competion and it makes no odds who posts where (after all none of us are getting paid to post)they did sem rather concerned that I had been so rude (although to be fair I stopped reading after a few lines)...

Oh stupid me why am I apologising to you we can say what we wish to here even disagree from time to time as we are not here for a pat on the head if we are nasty or to count how many posts we get in one day (lets face it if we were jumping up and down sayin ohhh we got 100 200 300 today we would be very sad)...

Nice to see you I am in and out all day today (the garden centre is no fun in the rain)and I still need to get some paint xxx

Gina said...

Viv, I just wanted your opinion, and as expected you have said just what I thought you would say and it is now here for all to read. It was your opinion that counted on this matter as this is your blog, so any further views they have on the subject I will ignore. I must admit though I did for a SECOND ONLY think they had a point and did feel a bit guilty - It didn't last long though because as I said, we must continue this fight for justice.

Regards your new article. I tend to look at things in simple terms in the first instant and I just feel that it is not necessarily a case of backing being withdrawn, more like 1. Maybe it is not prudent to back anyone while they remain suspects or 2. Should more money be poured into a fund for just one child when there are so many others missing. I think what could have been considered a generous gesture in the beginning could now cause bad publicity if more is given now.

viv said...

Hiya Hope darling

Of course you do not need to apologise. I was not there and you said it for me!

I think they certainly do have an obsession with post number, rather than post quality as a quick view of their site will confirm. Between about 5 of them often clocking up 400 posts which in fact are just one line bits of inane rubbish, nothing at all to do with the McCann case. Very sad and combative behaviour.

I adore the Garden Centre and you can get lost in a world of wonderful gardening schemes no matter the weather. Funny, I also love the DIY shop, but like you have sometimes had to pay someone to come and re-do my own efforts! Bathroom certainly looks a lot better now I am not responsible for the tiling!

Luv Vivx

marga said...

hope4truth said...
Hi Marga

There is a new thread that everyone has moved to (if you havent found it already) above this one on the main page x

Saturday, 29 March 2008 13:08:00 o'clock GMT

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Thanks Hope!
thiught I didn't catch the train!

marga said...

thought

hope4truth said...

Hello All

Just read back I wonder who Ex DX is (hello whoever you are) I see Anon is playing the jealousy card again about Ex being a policeman not a great detective LOL...

These Anons must be very jealous people allways looking to be as good as profesional people....

Jealousy comes out all the time when they are stuck for something nasty to say LOL

hope4truth said...

Hello Marga

After you said you had found us at last it seemed a shame for you to be on the wrong page...

are you in Portugal???

Wizard said...

Afternoon Viv,

The disrupters on this site I don’t usually bother commenting about because their tactics are transparent. But last night when I was posting here I had a brief look at their blog. Online at that time was those who sign in under the names of Mandz and Sass, nobody else was about. They were talking to one another this got boring, or so they said, and they both said they would have a break and a cup of tea.

I think it was Docmac who said a cup of tea was a signal for something else.
Cut to Justiceformaddi blog and low and behold Peter and Super Troll turn up. I didn’t know you could get a cup of tea here, you’ve kept it very quite. Do you serve biscuits?

Gina said...

Hope you know you get jealous too!!! Weather springs to mind..While you were out I did my washing, pegged it out and it is now dry!!!! downside now have a piling of ironing. Have to go and get on with it. Best wishes to you all

PS don't know who ex dx was but he got it right about what Joncar said as I remember giving his at least 6 answers myself.

hope4truth said...

Hi Viv

It is a ploy to try and get us at each others throats which has really made me laugh I stopped worrying about being popular when I was about 6 LOL

Garden centres are great but we were outside looking at all the pots and it was so wet and cold so we will try another one later.

I cant DIY make such a mess so I just do the clean up behind xxx

Penelope1 said...

Hi Viv,

I know this is not relevant to the article posted today, but last night I spent a lot of time on U tube, looking at interviews with the McCanns. This is the first time I've done this - I only recently got broadband at home.

Two thing really struck me, both of them unexpected:

1. My heart went out to both Kate and Gerry, it is clear the torment and anguish they have both gone through, particularly Kate.

2. Kate looks very guilty indeed. She tries not to look at the camera, her eyes look down and side to side most of the time. She constantly fidgets with her hands.
There is also a "deadness" to her. She says in words "please help find Maddie" but her face and body language clearly shows that she knows this is a pointless exercise - she shrugs, she bites her lip, she raises her eyebrows, she sighs. She doesn't seem keen to find Maddie, there is no energy there. She is going thro' the motions.

Gerry seems far more upbeat and seems to have convinced himself that she is still alive, however, his choice of words are well thought out. One example is "we are not connected in any way with the disappearance of our daughter" .

As a Catholic myself, I know well that Catholics do have ways of telling lies but of reassuring themselves that they are not ACTUALLY telling a lie. Its the "Jesuitical" way. Gerry's conscious is clear wrt Maddie's disappearance, as its seems Dr O'Brien is the one who "disappeared/disposed of" Maddie, not Gerry or Kate, so he feels fine.

Another example was when he said (scratching his ear which is supposed to be a sign of lying) "there is no SUGGESTION we drugged Maddie - our children".

However, accidental death and a cover up are understandable, but scamming all the "Fund" money from well-intentioned people?

If it all comes out in the wash, I think they will both be on suicide watch. I really wouldn't like to be them right now.

Having seen them as human being on the videos, I feel for them, but then again, if they were responsible for her death and this huge world-wide charade, its actually stomach-turning.

Something else bothers me - if it was an accidental death, as pointed out last night, surely they would have done the responsible thing and admited it and called the police?

Maybe Kate was violent towards Maddie (this spray of her blood in the appartment) and there was no way they could talk around manslaughter, so thus concoted the abduction theory.

Oh what a troubled web we weave when firt we practice to deceive...

viv said...

Hiya Gina

I think above all Mr Branson likes to be viewed as a fair and reasonable man, rather than a hard nosed business man. He does a pretty good job of combining the two.

When the McCanns were facing terrible charges in a foreign country that they killed their daughter it was an expansive and benevolent gesture to say well here is £100,000 get yourselves some decent legal advice.

However, I think he has considered the rights and wrongs of this situation. Is it fair and reasonable that a couple who have so much to answer for should receive unlimited funds from such a wealthy man to defend themselves? What of other criminal suspects? Is it fair and reasonable that they have to rely on legal aid whilst in the McCanns case, they can go to the very best? Most importantly, what of the missing child herself and her rights to justice? Very expensive lawyers can even produce the wrong result, the antithesis of justice. Could it be morally right to bankroll her parents to such an extent that little Madeleine is denied Justice? I think he will have asked himself all these questions and decided that little Madeleine has just the same right to justice as every other little child and he should not be paying her parents to avoid that.

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Gina

Please do not out my jealousy here...

How could you think I was jealous of you sitting in the sunshine while I have been sent scurrying home after getting wet at the garden centre LOL

My washing is still in the tumble dryer so at least I have nothing to iron...

Is it really nice there today????

marga said...

Hi Viv, Hope Gina and all.

I had posted on the other thread before you jumped to this one.

Viv, thanks again for giving us the opportunity to continue debating on the case!

yes , Hope I am in PT.
In the north.

viv said...

Hi Penelope

Thanks for a really fascinating post. I think, like me, you are really interested in the study of human behaviour and what it can tell us.

I certainly agree Kate looks tormented and anguished and for that I have always felt empathy for her and what she must be going through. She does repeatedly look down and to the side, seeking to avoid facing the reality, searching in her mind for an answer, a way out of the situation which her whole demeanour does suggest is hopeless. She is clearly seeking to hide a terrible burden upon her, that has a serious impact on her health. She has never displayed any ardent enthusiasm for truly "finding Madeleine". She knows that is utterly hopeless. She was reading a passage from the bible that said after the death of her child she must rise up and mourn no more, but this is clearly tormenting her, with visions in the night of Madeleine coming to her. This seems to suggest she feels in some way she is responsible and wishes she could have saved Madeleine or could in some way, resurrect her. Wracked with anguish and guilt.

Gerry is another matter entirely. He, pragmatically, in his view, busily pursues endless schemes to get them out of trouble and improve their lives, in spite, the loss of Madeleine. This is find the most horrifying.

Wizard said...

In the wheel well of the car it has been suggested that bodily fluids from a corpse were found. The DNA from this fluid was further suggested to be an 80% match to Madeleine’s and some suggested 100% match.

Do you think we can assume no decomposing human bodily fluid was found. This was just speculative or exaggerated journalism. For the life of me I cannot understand if this was true why the Mcs have not been charged.

The only problem with this type of evidence is which parent killed her, which parent/person concealed her, which parent/person drove the car and who if anybody aided the parents.

marga said...

But the only news on the case is that one of the Pj arriving on the 7th until teh 11th.

hope4truth said...

Marga

If you are in Portugal all I can say is I am jealous is the weather nice today???

Did you post on Alsabellas before??? Hope she is ok xxx

viv said...

Hello Marga from North Portugal!

Great to have you on board.

Viv x

marga said...

There is another one on Mari Luz.
According to Jn the man and sister were ready to fly to Brazil.

marga said...

hope4truth said...
Marga

If you are in Portugal all I can say is I am jealous is the weather nice today???

Did you post on Alsabellas before??? Hope she is ok xxx

Saturday, 29 March 2008 13:42:00 o'clock GMT
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No need to be jealous. It's windy and cloudy. At least here.:-(

Yes, I did. She's a great lady. She is OK.

viv said...
Hello Marga from North Portugal!

Great to have you on board.

Viv x

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Tx Viv.
My pleasure!
Did you read my first post here?

marga said...

Now, family's waiting for lunch.

I'll catch you later after reading Viv's new article.

Cheers!

hope4truth said...

Marga

Oh thats a shame bet it is not as horrible as here...

Glad to know Alsabella is ok I enjoyed talking to her sure I will again x

viv said...

Wuzard sorry just catching up.

Both Doc and I observed that a cup of tea meant they needed to go on MSN forum and have a chat about their next "line of attack" and lo and behold they would suddenly all re-appear at the same time.

It has certainly not escaped my attention that they get very bored with their inane little chats to each other, clearly nothing to say about the so called innocence of the McCanns and then come on here for a bit of what they would call "sport". We would call it "personality disorder".

Viv x

Cláudia said...

Hey, Viv! How are you, darling?
Getting ready to go out again.
Just wanted to tell you that their tecnique to divide and conquer is pathetic! :-) What they cannot understand (because they defend child neglecters) is that this is not a blog competition and that it doesn't matter where people do it. What matters is that people keep digging for the truth about what happened to Madeleine.
Oh, and you've got mail! :-)
Beijinhos, minha querida amiga!
xxxx

viv said...

Hi Marga

If your first post was among the 500 on the other thread sorry quite possibly did miss it! Perhaps you can repeat it for me:-)

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Hello Claudia

Have a nice day nice to see you xxx

viv said...

Hiya Claudia minha querida amiga!

True, no division, just one collective voice!

They do not trouble to explain the link to Alsabella's blog I have always provided, right at the top of this one, do they!

Will check my mail:-)

Luv ya darling
Viv xxx

Zodiac said...

Hi Viv,

Good articles, I have never read them before. The change in the Fund recently set alarm bells ringing for me and the new appointed members. The Fund that previously refused to cover legal costs now due to the changes I will not be surprised if there is the inclusion that all legal costs will be covered. Searching for M, IMO no. I do hope the PJ and British Police find justice for this little girl. BBFN.

marga said...

Hi cláudia!

viv said...

Hiya Wizard

I happen to think that the report of bodily fluids found in the wheel well together with a large chunk of her hair is quite probably true.

When a corpse starts to decompose it exudes "bloody purge" a mixture of blood and other decomposing body tissue. This would continue to decay and by the time they discovered it would reduce the quality of the sample down to 88 per cent match. As Doc has pointed out this is still a very good match. I have read American forensic experts who say just the same. Again, with the large chunk of hair, the scalp would start to disentegrate and large chunks of hair then fall out.

But this find in itself, would not be satisfactory evidence to charge the McCanns with murder or manslaughter. It still does not prove who killed her. It is evidence that supports the second charge they are to face, disposing of her body. It was certainly more than enough to gain them arguido status, however, as immediately happened when they got the lab results back. In Portuguese law this is an essential first step prior to actually charging someone.

Sorry about the graphic nature of this post, but I think it was necessary in order to explain the way I see it.

Viv x

marga said...

Ok Viv,
here it is:
marga said...
Hi!

I've found you at last.
Morning Viv :-)
Thanks for being our host here.

Although I had been reading the Dx, it was only in January I began to comment there on this case. Then on Alsa's blog.

I am a Portuguese on behalf of the truth so it is for me sometimes difficult to understand some posters points of view on this case except of course when it is too obvious that they are not for real in some blogs and not in search of the truth no matter what it will be.

From my point of view the parents and friends commitetd the crime of neglect and should have paid for that. As far as the child died on that night, we have to trust the PJ and if they have evidence of that ,let them do their work.

Most Portuguese think that there is sth unclear in all this otherwise they would have stayed in Pt and cooperated with the police in the searchs and by answering all the questions they refused to answer.

The support they had at the beginning was a sign of teh Portuguese character toward genuine feelings and dispair but as time went by people felt they were in some way being fooled with the all circus and now the support is dedicated 100% to Madeleine and to the truth.

I personally think the PJ must have evidence otherwise it would be useless their departure to the UK.

Cheers!

Saturday, 29 March 2008 12:57:00 o'clock GMT

viv said...

Hiya Zodiac

When the McCanns extracted the half a million from the DE there was a slip in the language used with the term "fighting fund" again being referred to.

Half a million plus other monies they are amassing clearly would buy them quite a lot of legal support and I have no doubt that supporting the McCanns in this way is how this money will actually be spent. They are under no illusions they will be charged. ?They even have the solicitor Edward Smethurst now acting as one of the directors of the fund. The links with this fund and their defence campaign just could not be any plainer.

Viv x

marga said...

Hope,
now that you've mentioned the weather I'm a little bit puzzled. Are you not from Spain?

hope4truth said...

Penelope

I am with you on the sympathy when I see Kate (especialy the day she was made an arguido) I feel very sorry for her she does look haunted and confused.

I dont know what happend to Madeleine and would still be pleased if she was found (the day Shannon was found it really restored my faith) but if she is found and has been hurt it will be awful but years of therapy will help her and at least she will be out of the evil persons clutches who took her.

Kate has said she forgives herself as she is a good Mum and she must know deep inside she let her children down in a the worst possible way.

The Neglected their children there is no spin that can be put on this at all when you see the distance from the Tapas Bar to the apartment it is to far away (as would be next door) and no amount of checks would be enough to keep the children safe (as has been proved if they are telling the truth and she was taken)...

When I think of what may lie ahead for every person that was on that holiday if they are not telling the truth it upsets me to think they are going to spend the rest of their lives waiting for a knock at the door to say we have proof you lied...

Then again maybe they are all telling the truth but what has happend since is not normal it has looked odd maybe they are just odd people certainly I know no one like them...

Poor Madeleine xxx

viv said...

Hiya Marga

Thanks for reproducing your post for me.

It is understandable that Portuguese people have a strong interest in this case and your views have always been very helpful to us in the UK in aiding our understanding.

The PJ clearly have reasonable evidence that Madeleine, sadly, did indeed die that night. No reasonable person would seek to suggest the police in any country would make such a claim unless it was true.

So far as the negligence is concerned, my understanding of Portuguese law is that charges cannot be brought for just one aspect of unlawful behaviour. The whole case must be investigated and only at the end of that process will charges be brought.

I believe both the PJ and British Police always had reasonable suspicion the McCanns were guilty of far worse crime than child neglect. Their friends could not be charged with this as it would have hampered them being used as witnesses into a far more serious criminal case where they themselves may also face charges of a far more serious nature.

Thanks for the views of the Portuguese public which is really interesting to hear. Like the British we just cannot understand the McCanns conduct in failing to assist the police if they really wanted to find their daughter and draw our own conclusions from that.

The Portuguese initially demonstrated their lovely character in the support and trust they placed in the McCanns. Unfortunately, as the McCann circus was played out in front of them, just like The Pope, they realised that trust was not deserved.

This site is also 100 per cent devoted to Madeleine and Justice for her and so we are truly united with the Portuguese people on this and in firm support of your hard working police officers to whom we are extremely grateful.

Viv x

marga said...

Viv,

you words are wise, sensible and genuine.
I sense them from the bottom of your heart.

X

Penelope1 said...

Viv & Hope4truth,

Thanks for your comments on my post.

It must be a bizzare place to be, chez McCann. But yes, Hope4truth, how awful to potentially be waiting all their lives for the knock on teh door.

It would proably be relief for all concerned if the T9 just told the truth, as to be sure the truth is not being told. We don't know what the truth really is but the story so far does not add up.

One interesting thing was that in the interview for Spanish TV (launching the hotline) Kate said "we know what the truth is".

hope4truth said...

Marga

No I am from rain soaked England
:O(

There was another poster on the DX called hope4you I dont know where she was from so you may have mixed me up with her...

Gina is from Spain (just very jealous)LOL

I went to Portugal for the first time last year and loved it was trying to come back this year but my Husband made other plans so we will try again next year...

It s now pouring down I dont think I will ever get out xxx

Angie said...
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marga said...

Hope,

you're right. It is Hope4you that lives in Spain. Now I remember reading sth about two posters with identical names.
Well, must go now again as I haven't read the above article yet.

Até logo!

nancy said...

Hi Viv and Claudia -

Is it possible for either of you to
give a message to Alsabella - that we miss her and hope she will soon be able to join us all, either here or back on her own site - it doesn't matter! Her input is always so interesting. Just to let her know that we all care and that if we messed things up we are sorry!

hope4truth said...

Penelope

I dont know what went on but leaving those children was wrong and the fact none of them has come out and said just how stupid they were is strange.

I still keep one hope alive that she has been taken by a lady who thinks she will do a better job it is imposible I know but every other option is just so very very sad.

eurekamano said...

What extraordinary nonsense the quote from Sir Alec Jeffreys is. If it were true that any DNA sample contains no unique characteristics not shared with other members of a person's family then DNA could not be used successfully as it has been to track down criminals. Who does he think he's kidding? What is this, the brotherhood again?

nancy said...

Regarding Kate - I'm sorry but I can't in all honesty feel much for Kate or Gerry (or the tapas lot)right now - they are the parents and they should both have been there for Madeleine and the twins -not swanning around with their mates at the tapas bar. Maybe if they had shown the slightest bit of remorse I would feel differently but they seem to defend the indefensible in setting out on this whole world wide publicity stunt from the moment Madeleine disappeared! If they were or are grieving parents, they have a very strange way of showing it IMO! Cool as cucumbers, both of them!

It is Madeleine who I feel so much for - a little girl of 3 left in charge of two younger siblings alone in a strange apartment - what could be more scary than that? Well what could be more scary is that she was not only left alone night after night, she also disappeared into the bargain - so sorry, but they have brought this on themselves and they have to live with it - I won't lose any sleep over their lack of sleep!!

I do agree though that although Kate comes over as a tough cookie IMO Gerry is the mouthpiece there - I really don't know why he needed Clarence for his puppet because he could have managed the media etc very well all on his own - perhaps he thought he may say something to really put the cat amongst the pigeons and give the whole game away, although if, as they say, they are completely innocent of what happened to Madeleine, then nothing they say could in any way convict them of anything, other than the neglect issue!

Justice for Madeleine!

atardi said...

Niki said...

leigh3 said...

Justice is complex; morality is simple: do unto others as you would have them do unto you; that is the essence of every great religion, every great philosopy, if we can believe what we read, and what our hearts know to be true, I think. I could be wrong, but I prefer to be guided by great thinkers and doers rather than petty politics, and personal disputes.

--
Amen!

I'm not a very religious person, but the Bibel can teach everyone humanity and decensy...
-
Like Atardi said (with mine words) You good people, continiue to speak out for all of us who don't have english as our native language, and can't express ourselfs like you can!

Atardi, you went to work yesterday morning, and are still not back!?!?
Thats some hours you work in Holland:)

Niki

Saturday, 29 March 2008 09:26:00 o'clock GMT

______________________________

Hi Niki,

I hope you will read this tomorrow morning.

What a coincidence! Last night (early in the morning) I made a post to Viv mentioning you and Leigh3.

I didn't sent it because I was quite shocked after the last posts.
So I saved it.

Here is the post:

Viv and all,

We have been celebrating husband's birthday last night. When the last guests left I took the time to read the comments after 17.00. Too much to read. But some good posts. But there were also some troublemakers. Why?

Before I went to work this morning I posted also and asked to keep it nice on here.
We are posting about Madeleine’s case and sometimes we just post to each other like human beings do. Just the daily life with or without kids.

Please let's keep it like the last weeks. We don't have to agree with each other. But post your disagreement in a polite way. It’s the best way we can talk/understand and respect each other.

One thing we all have in common is that everyone posting on Viv’s blog want to hear and see that Madeleine, only 3 years old will get Justice.


Keep in mind what Niki and Leigh3 both said:

"Unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other,"
---

Niki


'Every Saint has a past; every sinner has a future.'

Leigh3

___________________________

So you see Niki,

I was back at home from my longest working day ;).

Please keep representing my voice!



ps. Great article. I wonder if JK Rowling is still supporting Madeleine's parents.

Penelope1 said...

Angie,

I am not Kate so I don't know what she meant when she said " we know what the truth is".

ut it is reasonable ot say she meant exactly that - she and Gery know what really happened, and no-one else does (outside Tapas 4/5) . Presumably they justified their actions to themselves, comnfessed whatever needed to be confessed to the priest and feel that its no-one else's business bu their own.

What the McCanns are forgetting is that they did not own Maddie - Maddie had/has the protection of the state, and the state needs to find out what happened to that poor little mite, who is most probably well dead by now.

leigh3 said...

Good Afternoon Friends of Children.

Viv and Niki: excellent headline article, and a useful reminder of facts, not the fiction which master manipulators try to make the public (like us) focus on. Eyes wide open.

Hopefortruth: always a delight to see you focus on the child neglect issue, and thank you for wishing my daughter well at Terminal 5. There she sits now - hours after her flight should have left! Hey ho. Kids like an adventure, anything spontaneous. She's having fun with her pals.

REGARDING KATE: Yes, Penelope, it is a sorry sight to see a mother going through the motions; very sad.

REGARDING GERRY MCCANN: he's got his hired hand Clarence Mitchell to spin whatever whenever - at a price - for both of them. Pets united, they are, imo.

One child is every child, and that is something that bewilders, perplexes, and infuriates the McCann Machine of media manipulators.

Kind hearts never surrender, and they will not surrender to cynics, no matter how long this takes.

xo Darlings. Great to see you all in this quiet, reflective phase of an ongoing investigation. No surrender.

atardi said...

Dolores,

Congratulations with your mother's 90th birthday.

Hope she will enjoy Ritz tommorow.

Have a nice weekend in London.

leigh3 said...

Yikes! Dolores of the pink rose. Nearly forgot to say: ta for the info. Fab as always. Fascinating.
xo
Leigh

hope4truth said...

Nancy

I have allways wondered why they needed a spokesman Gerry seems very good at speaking for himself and although an Arguido he has said plenty in interviews etc...

If they are lying one day it will all come out no one can keep a secret forever guilt eats away at you...

Wizard said...

Viv,
Thanks for the explanation about “going for a cup of tea”.

Decomposing bodily fluids. The Scenic cars previous hirers were check out by the pj and they were satisfied they were not involved in anyway. The McCanns hired the car but who else was able to drive it. Gerry and Kate most certainly but also family members, McGuiness I believe I saw driving it along with no doubt an assortment of friends also able to use it. However the people driving this car could probably be whittled down. So if the fluids from a human corpse are true evidence for concealing the body and disposing of it falls to someone within the friends and family circle.

marga said...

Atardi,

gruss Gott!

nanda(Marga)

2345 said...

A timely reminder - SKY News:

'Police Match Madeleine DNA To Hire Car'
Updated:20:26, Monday September 10, 2007

Portuguese police say they have found firm DNA evidence that the body of Madeleine McCann was in the boot of the family's hire car five weeks after she went missing, sources have told Sky News.

Kate McCann leaves PortimaoSky crime correspondent Martin Brunt, speaking from Portimao, said police were "adamant" they had found the most "damning" evidence yet implicating either one or both of the McCanns in their daughter's death.

The evidence came in blood samples returned from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham.

"Police say it is the most damning evidence that has been returned by the tests," Brunt said.

"It shows, as far as they are concerned, the presence of Madeleine's body in the car five weeks after she disappeared."

He continued: "The evidence suggests very strongly that it was not that her DNA had been transferred from clothing or from a cuddly toy.

"The allegation is that the DNA shows a full match of 99%. According to police, it shows the presence of Madeleine's body in the boot of the family's hire car five weeks after she disappeared."


A policeman delivers flowers to the McCannsHe said the sample of blood sent to the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham carried three matches of Madeleine's DNA.

Two were partial matches that came from the car and the windowsill of the family's holiday apartment.

The third was the full match from the boot of the car.

Meanwhile, papers outlining any evidence against Gerry and Kate McCann will be passed to the Public Prosecutor in Portugal, probably on Tuesday.

With the couple back in their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, the prosecutor will consider whether to lay any charges.

He will be considering the circumstances surrounding Madeleine's disappearance on May 3, Portuguese police spokesman Olegario Sousa added.

Brunt said the prosecutor had a number of options and may call for more evidence or advise on the investigation.


McCanns deny harming their childFamily spokesman Brian Kennedy, who is Madeleine's great uncle, said of the family: "They are holding up extremely well."

The Portimao-based prosecutor, Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, will look at the DNA evidence as well as the statements given by the McCanns to see if there is a case against the couple.

Chief Inspector Sousa said Portuguese police decided to pass the file on to the prosecutor despite not having all the results from forensic tests being carried out in Birmingham.

The samples were taken from the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car.

The McCanns have been told they could be called back to Portugal "at any time".

Under Portuguese law the couple could keep their arguido - suspect - status for up to eight months, although the prosecutor could decide to extend that to a year.

Portuguese detectives appear to be working on the theory that Mrs McCann killed her daughter by accident and covered up the death by claiming she was abducted.

According to reports in Portugal, police are to make new searches as part of the investigation.

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leigh3 said...

Penelope1,

Just b4 I must go, I have deep sympathy for your compassion for Catholics, and their mind set.

Speaking as the daughter of militant Protestants back to the Reformation, it is your deep instinct to understand Catholic thinking which impresses me. Kate truly believes, I think, whatever her mortal weakness.

'...to err is human... to forgive is divine.'

Compassion is a timeless quality; an aspiration, however much we mere mortals fail.

See you next time, I hope.
Leigh

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Oh No... My parents were talking about it earlier and I thought of you...

If she is with friends as frustrating as it is she will have something to talk about for years and when you are young and dont have small children with you airports can be fun...

Let us know when she finaly takes off poor thing xxx

leigh3 said...

2345,

I must dash, but can't help comment on your timely reminder.

Tis sad but true that the human heart yearns for the ideal, but the human beings must focus on facts, and the physical/material world is where humans betray their hearts, their soul, the very biggest, kindest things they could ever be, for themselves, and their descendants, imho.

Facts, not fantasy. Facts, not ideals. This is our world, for better or worse. Quite right, 2345. Facts. This is paramount, for now. Wishing you and yours a happy weekend. Thank you. Gotta go.
Leigh

leigh3 said...

Hopefortruth.

Gotta dash, but thank you so much for that. Yes!!! I say it is an adventure for them. It will be on the news, but they are part of the news that will be discussed for many years to come.

Err. Oops. Only her headmistress and me appear to think that way at the moment :-)

Anyhooo, you, her and me are right, of course! :-)

See you next time, Hope. Thank you. Have a fab weekend with your dear family.
x

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Hello Goodbye I just saw your post hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend the weather here is really horrid and does not look like it will get any better so have to go back to the Garden Centre with an Umberella...

xxx

leigh3 said...

Dear Artardi,

Maybe you are our voice too; an echo across time and space.

We, the people, must speak to each other, for all our sakes.

xo to you and yours. Thank you, our Viking friend (and my father's forbears, as it happens!). I must GO, and Vikings never tarry so this is really going!!! Ta ra Atardi.
Leigh

nancy said...

Hi Leigh, Niki and Atardi -

You are three very compassionate and Christian people - I can tell that- but your post is a bit contradictary i.e.

"He who smites your cheek, offer him the other"

and

"Do unto others as they would do unto you"

Sorry, but I'll go for the latter and if someone smacks me round the face then I'll smack him back and no messing - if you let a bully win he/she will go on bullying - that's why I tell my children that if someone bullies you, don't run away, give them as good as they give you!

Hitler was a bully, Idi Amin was a bully, Magabe of Zimbabwe is a bully - their type just love people who turn the other cheek, so they can carry on with their despicable ways!

Sorry if I come over as a non-believer, but I would never pass a beggar in the street and never, ever hurt a child or an animal!

viv said...

Hiya Nancy

I do agree bullies like the infamous ones you name thrive on power and control. They like to subjugate people and derive great satisfaction from this it inflates their poor self-esteem.

There are bullies who attempt to control us and in spite of claiming to literally hate this site and everything we stand for just cannot stay away. That is because they seek to bully and threaten us into not discussing the McCann case. I am the sort of person who will stand very firm against such people and send a very clear message their bullying behaviour does not get them results or the satisfaction they crave. They can crawl back under their stone.

Viv x

Di said...

Good afternoon all

Just got time for a quick look.

2345

Reading the article you posted, the one thing that stood out for me was the comment from Brian Kennedy saying, "the family are holding up very well"............
I find that statement unbelievable would anyone, who thinks their precious daughter has been abducted by paedophiles be holding up well. I wouldn't and nor would my husband or parents etc., we would all be totally crushed and probably be unable to sleep let alone function on a daily basis. I also know we would never get over the guilt of leaving the children alone.

viv said...

Hello Di

That was a very good observation. It is fighting talk, isn't it, "the family are holding up very well", not at all what you would expect from a family who are utterly distraught at the loss of this beautiful little girl.

As you say, a family who were facing the issue of this little girl being held and abused by paedophiles would actually be utterly devastated and their comments would express that concern for little Madeleine and all that she may be suffering surely, not arrogantly proclaiming THEY are holding up very well. They just would not be..The agony and despair were this genuinely the situation is simply unimaginable and yet Kate and Gerry continued playing sport, applying make up and jewellery, going to the hairdressers, going on a publicity tour leaving their remaining two children. Frankly bizarre.

Di said...

Viv

Reading the article you have posted.

Regarding the diary, Philomena states she told Kate to keep a diary for when Maddie is found.

I remember the PJ stating they had read Kates diary and were particularly interested in her state of mind prior to Maddies disappearance. I also believe they have asked for the diary to be returned to them as evidence.

I am confused do we now have two diaries or is it more spin from Phil?? imo

lizzy said...

Di,
I'm sure there is one diary, Phil seems to be the type of woman who speaks before she thinks. For example when she referred to the dogs, Eddie and Keela as Lassie, the diary may not now be in existance if it has not been seized, as the Mccanns were aware the Police wanted it since last September, cannot understand why it was not seized then, there seemed to be no delay in seizing Murat's possessions.Lizzy

viv said...

Hello Di

I believe Philomena has always been aware the truth may well be uncovered and her overwhelming concern has been protection of her little brother. Others posters have pointed out he is the baby of 5 siblings used to getting his own way and spoilt by the older ones.

I think she told Kate to write the diary knowing that it may well be read and used against her, cynically assessing Kate's state of mind. Philomena's comments about her sister in law have been frankly extraordinary. Including emphasising how she was screaming out of control after being interviewed by the police. I saw on TV Philomena describing how she was on the other end of a telephone and could hear Kate loudly screaming in fury, using the most graphic language.

In August when the McCanns went to Huelva the police were in their newly rented villa, searching it. They found the diary and other books and evidence and seised them. They took photocopies of Kate's diary and then returned it to her. The photocopies would not be satisfactory to use in court as evidence against her. They need the original back. As the requests by the PJ were accepted by our HOme Office some weeks back I think it is likely Leicester Police have already visited the McCanns and seised all the evidence that is required for the intended court case against them including Gerry's laptop, cuddlecat and other documents. Even if Gerry has sought to wipe the hard drive, emails etc can easily be recovered.

Viv x

Di said...

Hi Lizzy

Yes you are probably right.

I believe the pj also want Gerry's laptop, I am sure he will have had it totally wiped, and I mean by professionals.

Have just looked in on 3As if the post is believed it looks like the DX are getting their own back. The link if you are interested.






http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7451

lizzy said...

H Di,
Thanks for that will take a look in minute.Did you see the thread on the 3 Arguidos that the Police are evidently arriving on the 7th Aprl and returning to Portugal on the 11th April, interestingly the date R/pops stated on the DE that the Mccanns would be returning to Portugal to get their Arguido status removed. It will be interesting to see what actually does happen follwing the reinterviewing. Lizzy

Di said...

Viv

I remember reading somewhere that Gerry had more than one laptop and also used an internet cafe. I wonder if all the information the PJ need will be found.

I feel people in high places can hide anything, that's my opinion of course.

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
A very good point there you made re Philomena she may not be as stupid as she appears. You are probably correct in the assumption she is protecting her baby brother, by alluding to Kate having anger problems etc.
After all he is the one she will want to protect, particularly if Gerry was not involved, except in covering up what actually happened. Lizzy

atardi said...

hope4truth,

I'm trying to get the picture clear, going to a Garden Centre with an umbrella?

That's so depressing!But I'm sure you will enjoy it.

The weather was very nice here. The sun is still shining a bit.

viv said...

Hi Di

Unfortunately for Gerry McCann forensic computing experts can tell exactly what has been happening with a hard drive and will know precisely when he sought to wipe the hard drive, pretty damning in itself!

Emails go on to many other servers and can never be lost and the PJ have always had these.

People have suggested the DE was on the McCanns side, I do not agree. The apology was cynical and they will get their own back, with interest!

Viv x

Di said...

Lizzy

No I did not know the McCanns were returning to Portugal on the 11th.

I have also seen it stated on 3As from an apparently reliable source, that some PJs are already here and have interviewed several minor witnesses. One major tapas 7 witness has also apparently refused to co-operate with a timnescale for being re-interviewed, very odd.

viv said...

Hiya Di

I have read a lot about forensic analysis of crime through the use of computing expertise and it is quite staggering what they can do. Whatever is traceable through the use of computers will be traced. Likewise mobile phone evidence is used to combat major criminals including terrorists, drug dealers etc. What they can uncover is simply staggering.

I think we will see an awful lot of high tech and sophisticated evidence brought against the McCanns. He loves his computer, emails, blogging, texting on mobile and this is what will get him.

Viv x

leigh3 said...

Hi Ladies,
Am still awaiting my daughter's flight from Terminal 5. Meanwhile...

Di and Lizzy: yup, the DE will get it all back, with interest, imo. Hurrah :-)

Dear Nancy,
In these agnostic times, there may be some confusion about what it is to be a Christian. Christians are not wimps! A Christian apology means:
I regret what I did.
I won't do it again.
I will make amends for what I did.
I beg your forgiveness, but it is for you to forgive, and I accept that you may not forgive me.

That is a Christian apology. However, Christians do expect the same in return.

As I say, Christians are not wimps. I must make amends for my wrongdoings, but I expect others to do the same. If they do not?

'The pen is mightier than the sword.'

The sword (might is right sometimes) will be used, although Christians prefer: right is might.

So do Jews, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, agnostics, and philosophers. Sadly, what we prefer may not be what is; we must act on what is, in my humble opinion.

Nancy: you sound like a militant believer of truth to me, whatever label may be applied to you or me.

atardi said...

Hey Leigh3,

Have I missed something? Your daughter waiting for a plane to leave?

Is she going on vacation?
____________________

O, I hope my echo,our Viking friend's echo, united with all voices will help to get Justice for Madeleine.

Hope you can enjoy your weekend.

leigh3 said...

Ahhhh, Viv. Chuffed you said that: '...DE get their own back, with interest...'

I just saw that after writing to Di, Lizzy and dear Nancy.

Am sure the cynical game of libel irritates and upsets people, sadly, but it is for the best, in the long term, when dealing with deceit, I think. It's not nice. It's horrible. The world is horrible sometimes. Nice people should be protected from that. Libel incinerates bad people, and protects nice people, in the long run, I think.

Di said...

Viv

I know what you mean about e-mails, I have lost the use of my new laptop, and also everything on it. I contacted my e-mail provider, after having problems getting my mail on my old laptop, and was surprised when he said we keep copies of all mail even deleted ones so don't worry.

Just shows big brother is watching us!!!

Di said...

Have to go now, will try and look in later.

leigh3 said...

Our Viking friend Atardi:

Yes, my daughter awaits her flight from London Heathrow, Terminal 5 - the £4billion pound new, 'state of the art' vanity project of the UK, and it's all gone crazy wrong; flights cancelled, delayed; staff literally fighting with each other, poor things, abandoned by cynical management who saved money for shareholders, didn't train staff in new technology, employed expensive PRs to cover their errors...and made the public into flying guinea pigs!

Tsk. My girl and her friends are laughing it off; they are young, bless them.

URGENT MESSAGE TO FELLOW VIKINGS: send long boats!!! :-)

hope4truth said...

Di

Just looked at your link and the phrase unless the queen dies it is staying there made me worry about her health for the first time in my life...

Now I guess we will all be up until midnight to see if it is true I cant see the express going out on a limb though.

If any good were to come out of this tragic case it would be that papers do not rip peoples lives apart with half truths just to sell papers but that cant just be for one family it would have to be for any family that has done wrong and wait for the result of a court case before digging up their past....

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Yes my life is that sad... I went to a garden centre earlier and had to come home as it poured down and it was cold...

I thought the weather would improve but it diddnt so I returend with a Brolly and they did not have any pots that I liked so it was a waste of time...

Oh I can see how the world is jealous of my exciting life LOL x

leigh3 said...

Hi Di,

Big Brother fears us more than we fear 'it'. That is why 'it' plagues cyberspace including places like this, however, they're a big quiet at the moment - regrouping perhaps? Yup. They fear cyberspace, although they thought they could dominate it, I think.

Hi Clarry. Not so easy, is it?

No surrender. Madeleine Beth McCann is every child, every child that needs strangers to speak for her when she is 'lost'.

Kate: remember you, and your deepest heart. Not easy, but it's right.

viv said...

Hiya Leigh

As I previously posted libel comes back to bite the unpleasant people who seek to use it to defend non-existent reputations.

Lord Archer...sued the Daily Express for pointing out he went with a prostitute and got half a million in damages. 14 years later, he had to pay the Daily Express ONE and a half million and got a four year prison sentence for his wicked lies. Yes, indeed the Daily Express know what they are doing and WILL get it back WITH INTEREST.

I think they plan to do a super series on the McCanns when they get convicted. They were grasping and desperate fools to get the Daily Express to pay for their defence fighting fund..that will have made them very angry indeed!

Do not mess with the Press!! They are in business to make money, lots of money, and they are not very nice people to take on..

Viv x

lizzy said...

Hi Di,
Have just read your link on the 3 arguidos, do you think it might be a windup, I just find it hard to think they would print anything re the Mccanns so soon after the libel case. Lizzy

viv said...

Lizzy

How could this poster know what the DE are going to print tomorrow, pure speculation, like a lot of the stuff on that site..

Viv x

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leigh3 said...

Yes, Viv: '...not nice people to take on...', but sometimes the really nice people in this world need the tough people to protect their interests, and be very nasty.

It's a tough, rough old game. The UK Press play this game 24/7. Take money from them, and pay it back in triplicate. This is how it works. Twas ever thus.

That is what scares liars, manipulators and politicos who are accustomed to cheating the public.

Always and ever, the Press will side with the public, their future, however long it takes.

Kerrching! :-) Pennies in the short term vs pounds in the long term.

I despise liars. I have compassion and mercy for the meek, the mild, those who admit their human weakness. We're only human, after all.

Perseverance, Viv, however long this takes, kind soul.

leigh3 said...

Anonymous,

Eh? A lot of words, but no relevance to the fate of missing Madeleine Beth McCann, her brother, her sister, and her family, as far as I can see. I hope no one shows the 3Arguidos to Madeleine's mother if what you have posted is typical of that place.

Just curious.

Wizard said...

The articles used in the Sunday Express would be in proof stage now so if you worked for them in some way you would know. Whether this is the case with the poster on 3A who knows.

Wouldn’t it be mouth watering retribution for the Express if this was the case. Bring it on!! Proof of T9’s engaged in swingers party. Murats speaks out as arguido status lifted. Dirt from the T9’s past. Kate tells the truth – Express exclusive.

Probably a wind up though - shame.

leigh3 said...

Yup, Wizard. It's the same old same old, isn't it?

Short term 'plays' and headlines vs the real winning game: the truth, however long it takes.

Kerrching. Pennies vs pounds.

That reminds me: when Clarence Mitchell limps off the field of play, I really must recommend another 'big hitter' for Gerry McCann, just out of fair play. Hmmm. Now let me think: 'Lord Archer' perhaps?

Wizard said...

Hi Leigh3,
Lord Archer is a great ducker and diver and tells quite a good story. I don't think he would associate with the McCann because he wouldn't want his image tarnished. lol.

viv said...

Yawn Anon - do you really think we want to know!

leigh3 said...

Wizard.

:-) Ab fab. Brilliant, ya cheeky minx.

Mega smiles.

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viv said...

Wizard

Titters, going with a prostitute and then saying oh no I never and sueing the DE for having the cheek to tell the truth all kinda pales to the McCanns..and yes he (Archer)can write good fiction.. I read Gerry's blogs...(!)

viv said...

like I said Anon, yawn..can't you find the door...?

viv said...

Oh dear I think the Pros got upset I suggested they write hundred of inane one liners. There are 25 posts on there from 6 am this morning, no one liners, No Jane Gin and Tonic and no Rosie. Calcite is so bored she has suggested coming over here..wonder if she just did!

Expect Rosie is having lots of important meetings...(!)

leigh3 said...

Oi! Did someone say titters? Gordon Brown's media monitors are very well aware that broadsheets are laughing at his attempts to micro manage the internet.

OH, poor Gordy, poor Clarry, poor Gerry.

I don't give a f* for their impoverished souls; they sold their souls.

Madeleine Beth McCann: one child is every child.

All little lies amount to One Big Lie, eh Clarry and Gerrymandering?

Lies lose votes; lies lose the jury of public opinon. Check out Terminal 5, one more lie, one more chance to see the lies.

Roll on Justice in the 21st Century. One true person becomes every true person.

George Orwell '1984' got the date wrong. He got the theme right, imo.

See you in court, anonymice. Bet on it.

Cláudia said...

nancy said...
Hi Viv and Claudia -

Is it possible for either of you to
give a message to Alsabella - that we miss her and hope she will soon be able to join us all, either here or back on her own site - it doesn't matter! Her input is always so interesting. Just to let her know that we all care and that if we messed things up we are sorry!
----------------------------------

Hello, Nancy. I'll certainly give her your message (which she is already aware of), but Alsabella is fine. She has just some business to take care of and will be back soon. It has nothing to do with posters' opinions. But soon, I hope, she will say everything she has to say. :-)

viv said...

Hiya Leigh

If I am being gerrymandered, ludicrously threatened or heavily monitored by Gordy I never felt a thing!


George Orwell, just like Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd and Leonardo da Vinci, well ahead of his time!

Viv x

viv said...

Ola querida Claudia

Look forward to hearing from Alsabella, and love you Alsabella:-)

viv said...

Oh dear Supertroll

Is that your latest fantasy fixation..3 Arguidos..had to come and tell Aunty Viv about it did you, well guess what, I don't care

au revoir..

Cláudia said...

Hi, querida Viv. :-)
I just had a great conversation with someone regarding these threats all over the place from people who want to shut people up and think that people don't have the right to express their opinions freely. A real eye opener. :-)

leigh3 said...

Night night Viv and Friends of Children.

LHR Terminal 5 is a monument to the vanity of the UK Government and its cynical links with commercialism in all its forms, imo.

My girl and her friends are now in a London hotel, flight postponed; they fly tomorrow courtesy of a German airline.

McCann Machine of media manipulators excuse child neglectors, and they sought preferential treatment in Portugal from the UK Government, against the advice of UK diplomats, civil servants who serve the public, regardless of political parties.

Hi Clarry, you tired old hand, serving nothing but your bank balance, and your political/commercial paymasters. Diss journalists, and they will do you. Count your pennies.

Hi Gerry, you tired old hand, serving nothing but your bank balance.

See you in court.

viv said...

Hiya darling

There are some little Hitlers running around...like headless chickens!

Cláudia said...

Yes, there certainly are, darling. But you know what? There are also people interested in them. :-)

viv said...

Hiya darling

People like Hitler always stir up interest in certain quarters, least he did not have a computer and a mobile phone!

hope4truth said...

Leigh

Hope she has a good night and finaly flys tomorrow xxx

viv said...

Lol Leigh 3

Ludicrous and Gerrymanderpander..serving nothing but their bank balances.

Ex employee of the Daily Express, ex litigant of the Daily Express...ho hum:-)

Your daughter is young and will just enjoy the fun.

We are older and enjoy watching Justice taking place before our very eyes..

Laters darling x

hope4truth said...

Viv

Hitler would not have been clever enough to use a computer and mobile phone bullys are usually stupid...

leigh3 said...

Boa noite Viv, and Portugal,Claudia!

Jimi Hendrix line: 'Scuse me, while I kiss the sky.'

Look up, we must, imo. Cynics should be ignored.

;-)...as Big_L from the DE would sign off.

xo
Night night.

Cláudia said...

If you don't mind a piece of advice, do not delete forever the threats people post here. Keep them or make a copy of them. They will most likely be useful soon.

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, Leigh!

viv said...

Hiya Hope

I think they just about muster how to use them, but do not realise they play with fire. Most fire investigators will tell you arsonists leave a forensic trail..

viv said...

Leigh

Hendrix: Lately, things just dont seem the same...
Acting funny but we DO know why

Then we will be kissing the sky!

Viv x

leigh3 said...

Ta, Hope.

Our children will fly because we love them ;-)

see you next time. Gotta go again. Ya know how it is!
x
leigh

hope4truth said...

Viv

Just been thinking about all the threats we get about saying nasty things about certain people who should not be talked about unless it is all good...

I dont think they can be intrested in what we say they think their daughter was taken by a peadophile ring.

If this is the case then they must be putting all their energy in tracing these evil rings finding their sick websites and getting closer to the truth about what happend to their daughter.

If she was really taken then surley every bit of thier time on the internet would be trying to track down these monsters get them on side and find out the what happend to her?

Ok some of the things said about them are not nice I am not a fan in anyway but I am also not the sick twisted bastard that may have taken her.

My anger and energy if one of my daughters had been taken would be against the scum that dared to take her and after searching for her I would do everything in my power to get into their sick sites to try and get some information.

Peadophiles love to show how clever they are IMHO if she had been taken by a ring one of the scum bags would have tried to claim the reward by now because there is no doubt someone would talk.

And if they are still covering for the sick bastard that took her get them on side someone would talk..

Di said...

Back again but not for long.

Lizzy, yes, it could be a hoax on 3As who knows, but I don't see the point in winding everyone up do you, but we will see.

Hope4truth

Your post being worried about the queen....LOL

I am worried now believe me!!!

viv said...

Whoops sorry there Hope, just had to tread on something that crawled out from under a stone again..will have to get some cement:-)

Anyone who thinks Madeleine was taken by a paedophile ring must be a headless chicken in my humble opinion. Forensic evidence clearly says otherwise...I wonder if that is why there are just three posters left on the Pro site and ~Rosie done a runner...off up the M1, no doubt!

If it was my child and I thought she was in Morocco, guess where I would be! That is just pure racism and seeking to appeal to a darker side of human nature..

Viv x

viv said...

Hiya Di/Hope

I am sure it was just a metaphor i.e. it would take something like the Queen dying to get the McCanns off the front page of tomorrow's DE.

As Wiz said, it would be lovely if they truly did have some serious revelations to make about the McCanns tomorrow but they would fear being held in contempt of court for interfering in a criminal case at a vital stage far too much to do that!

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Di

I know LOL

hope4truth said...

Oh Anon

The point I was trying to make was if they think some sick scum bag has taken their daughter there are far more people in the world for them to worry about than me or peoples opinions of them but as you hate this site dont know why you read it?

viv said...

Oh my god, I just been reading Supertroll's site. She is having the most demented chat with herself you ever seen - straight off a psychi ward.

I have heard some people who are very unwell in the course of my work. Once I even had to deliver a client to hospital but there is something very bizarre about seeing those thoughts of someone suffering serious psyshosis all written down. This person (Supertroll/Christabel et al) really does need help.

Di said...

Viv

Your post to hope...


Splat....was that me.....

OK... I will crawl back from where I came... give me a break....LOL

nancy said...

Hi Viv -

I remember when I used to blog on the DX and the pros used to call you all sorts of nasty things and myself, being new to the site, was convinced you were some sort of mega monster! How wrong I was about that lot and how wrong I was about you!! Yes, they are bullies, and you only have to visit their site (which I have just the once which was enough) to know just what bullies they are!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if any sign of sedatives etc would show up on soiled nappies. Maybe that's why they were being kept close to the family.

nancy said...

Leigh -

thanks for replying to my blog and I hope I didn't offend you because I didn't mean to! I think the fact that I was sent to church 3 times a day when I was a kid really put me off and the fact that I knew there were many hypocrites there too!! I think that if we always try to do right by other people, put our family first always, especially the children, and help someone along the way and try to put a bit back of what you take in this life you can't go wrong. I just get mad sometimes when so many people who really don't deserve to seem to get the thin end of the wedge all their lives while others who make money their God, seem to get on in life - strange but very true!

Just want to say that you sound like a very kind person to me and if there were more like you in this world it would be a much better and fairer place!

Di said...

Anon

Good point, but I don't know the answer. Although, we have a programme in the UK, not on at the moment, with a certain person that maintains you can tell everything about a persons health from ones poo.....

Hope nobody is eating!!

Anonymous said...

I remember my neice as a baby having some tests done and one test was done on a soiled nappy to test her urine. so I just wondered if anything else would show up. Sorry forgot to give name before. lorraine

nancy said...

Hope for Truth -

I sincerely hope all went well and you had a successful visit in the end to the garden centre and you managed to control the umbrella!

As you probably know, I live here in sunny Alicante, but you know there are many times in the too hot summer when I would give anything for some nice English rain splashing on my face. We have the pool (a shared one), but it's not quite the same. For all it's problems for me, England will always be my real home!! You can never forget your roots at the end of the day - I'm sure Gina and Hope for Truth will agree!

Off for the night now and see you all tomorrow!

nancy said...

Sorry I really mucked up that last bit - reference to Hope for Truth in the final bit is a mistake - sorry.......... I mean't someone else whose name escapes me right now.

God bless everyone.

NANCY

Di said...

Nancy

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

This is going to sound awful, but I have got to say it.

I had a very good catholic friend who attended church religiously, confession and all that, I won't say what happened but, he was locked up but got out after one year, says it all!!!

He used to convince hubby and myself he was innocent, and we fell for it initially, but then suspicions took hold and people started to speak!! It took the police a while to crack the case but they got there...

I have great respect for justice in the end, but it may take a while!!!....................

atardi said...

OMG Hope,

I really like your sense of humour.

But keep in mind: Life can't always be exciting. Especially when you have kids.

Some people want a exciting life every day and neglect their children.

What do yo prefer?

( I know the answer already)

x Atardi

viv said...

Hey Lorraine, good job you did put your name on, I was just about to delete you when realising you were genuine!

You make a good point about the soiled nappies actually and maybe it does explain why, apparently, McCanns were putting them in the boot of their hire car and taking them straight to the tip. I think they can tell and awful lot from faeces and urinalysis.

If you put yourself in the mind of a really guilty person it can help you to understand them. They were paranoid about police investigations. As Gerry said "we wanted to stay and CONTROL the police investigation". So, as doctors it would plainly occur to them what lab tests could prove. It would also plainly occur that if they put soiled nappies in the bin outside their apartment they could be removed by PJ for analysis. I did read that at the time PJ wanted to do tests on the twins to see whether someone had drugged them and Kate and Gerry refused to give such consent. Very odd and guilty behaviour. naturally normally doctors who thought some predator had been in the room with their children, taking one would want the others tested to see what happened and why they just did not wake up!

I think the McCanns themselves, gave great credence to the claims about drugging the twins by their announcement several months later they had the twins checked and no drugs were found. Clearly having left sufficient time for any drugs to be completely out their system and cut out of their hair! One can certainly tell the forensic claims they took very seriously by the fact they needed to answer them. To suggest that blood and bodily fluids matching Madeleine's DNA could be accounted for by the twins dirty nappies was quite bizarre. Similarly, Kate stated the corpse smell on her clothing could be accounted for by her contact with dead bodies in her work as a two day a week locum GP! No matter that the jeans and blouse were bought new when she arrived in Portugal, or that unless she happened to be Dr Shipman the chances of her coming across dead bodies in her locum role was extremely remote. Again why did they announce they had tests done on Kate for anti depressants? What about anti-psychotics. It demonstrates they are very concerned about claims concerning Kate's mental health and again the tests were announced such a long time after the event she could clearly have cleared any self medication from her system. Generally in any event anti depressants/psychotics do not interact at all well in someone who is heavily abusing alcohol and alcohol does no good at all to someone who is suffering such mental ill health, it can quickly turn them into a hospital case..

~Viv x

2345 said...

Nancy,

I was online at the time Alsa's blog was 'frozen'; ignore what the monkeys are saying... this was not of her making. She's determined and resilient and she'll be back.

Anon proundly announced one minute later ... one down and two to go.

di - the focus of the police is the focus of truth .... they knew the reason for Madeleine's disappearance last July ... FSS results were unnecessarily delayed as were Rogatory Letter. Word is out on other Forums that one of the Tapas group is unavailable for interview date suggested.

Facts: (Sept. news articles - goole) PJ requested items for examination last September, computer, diary, cuddle cat. Why have British Police been prevented from seizing items for over SIX months for their counterparts in this case ?

McCanns have TOLD Prosecutor that they will NOT co-operate with Police re-questioning. PJ stated last September that they had over 40 questions McCanns failed to answer.

PJ had enough evidence to arrest McCanns on 7 September and intended doing so; political intervention prevented this.

It's clear that PJ & British Police are not running the case and normal processes have been constantly interrupted and delayed.

Since when have prime suspects in their child's death (according to information released by Leicester Police) and disappearance been allowed to dictate terms to the Police ?

McCanns' PR is irrelevant ... the Police have ALL relevant facts on file.

The overriding question is why are the Police being treated so abominably with never ending interference and delays ?

Every delay, every hindrance, all misinformation is designed to pervert the course of justice and manipulate public opinion.
Laborite tactics from day one -
political/media manipulation.

This case, the treatment meted to Alsabella, a hardworking honourable lady, coupled with threats to other Forums is an abomination of decency and democracy.



Questions are :

Why were items PJ requeste

hope4truth said...

Hi Nancy

I think it is hope4you that lives in spain.. I am envious of you all but very glad that you are enjoying the sunshine.

Some days I love the rain but on trips to the farden centre and the bit I want to visit is outside it is annoying..

see you again xxx

Di said...

Have to go now

Catch you all tomorrow

viv said...

Hiya Atardi

I used to find it exciting seeing my boys safe and peacefully sleeping and again in the morning seeing them getting on with the serious business of boisterously playing and learning.

Normal moms just adore everything about their children and never cease to be fascinated with them x

viv said...

Nite Di

Take Care Darling

Viv x

atardi said...

Leigh3,

I hope Niki can arrange a huge boat!

"Employed expensive PR's to cover their errors" hmmm That sounds very familiar.

Do you think these PR's "defending" terminal 5 receive more money than Clarence ?

Hope your daughter can travel safe tomorrow.

2345 said...

Felicity/lorraine,

I agree ... Gerry's behaviour was exactly the same as Huntley's.
Paranora - guilt and fear had him constantly peering over their shoulder, asking questions - masked as helpfulness.

Maxine was far more disturbed by the truth of events .... she was a most uncomfortable liar. Kate's behaviour is exactly the same by comparison with Gerry. He appears to be devoid of feeling and/or conscience. His need to know and need to control is fear based ... innocent people butt out and let the Police do their job.

Di said...

2345

Just caught your post focus is truth........

I am going along with you on this one

THE TRUTH...WILL OUT IN THE END....


Have to go now sorry, catch up tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Hi viv,

I can't stay long as going out and taxi due but will just say that i know that sometimes doctors prescribe a drug called Melatonin (sic) to help children with sleeping difficulties. This is a prescription only drug. I havent done any research on this drug yet so can't offer any more at the moment. Sorry Viv taxi here so must go. Will speak tomorrow lorrainexxx

hope4truth said...

Atardi

LOL I am so rock and roll I can see why people are jealous of my exciting life...

Not one single pot that I liked either very annoying...

We are off on holiday in a couple of weeks and we have had the most amazing holidays in the past this year my Husband asked the girls where they wanted to go (I wanted to go back to Portugal or Spain but thought they would say Florida) but no between the 3 of them they have found a place on the coast that does rock climbing and absailing and other active things and he booked it???

I was not intrested at all but over the last couple of months the girls have been so excited about what they are going to do I have become hooked on the idea and am actually looking forward to it.

So instead of sitting on a beach in the Sun I will be walking on a beach in the rain while walking and rock climbing....

Who needs Mickey Mouse when you can spend a week in England?

May need a break in the Sun in October will see how we go...

Cláudia said...

Hi, Viv.
Sorry, got a phone call. What I was saying was that you should save a copy of all the posts containing threats. They will most likely be useful. You can ignore the ones with insults and insane opinions. Only threats (identity disclosure, suing, etc). If you don't do it yet, can you start doing it for me?
Thanks, darling.
Hope you're ok! :-)

viv said...

Di if you are still around, no I did not mean you~!

It would not be apparent but the troll was posting. I completely remove her posts as a rule - just so she is clear how welcome she is and how superfluous to requirements in a discussion among normal people.

You may not know but she has a blog about me and stalks me!!

Viv x

viv said...

Lorraine

Thanks for that about the prescription only sleeping drug...melatonin (sic) Doctors can get prescription only drugs..(!)

Have fun:-)

Viv x

viv said...

Claudia darling I am a lawyer!

I have an email programme that contains every single post that was ever put on this blog, including the ones with the most perverted sex, rape murder talk that was posted on here.

They are safe for evidence purposes. Do not worry.

hope4truth said...

Viv

I hope this super programe you have corrects all my spelling mistakes and typing errors as it saves my posts?

When we are all in court I dont want people asking me stupid questions like what is a farden centre....

Do you think I will be able to wear my dressing gown in court or will I have to wear a suit???

viv said...

Hiya Hope

I know it is embarrassing darling, I write complete nonsense at times when my fingers cannot keep up. I liked your farden centre post:-)

Cláudia said...

I know, darling.
Just wanted to make sure. We never know when I'll need to borrow them... ;-)

hope4truth said...

Hello Claudia

Hope you are ok xxx

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I have just read an interesting thoery on the 3 arguidos, a poster suggested that the day the Mccanns went to Heulva for the day was also the day the PJ were coming to search the villa, the thought was maybe when they became aware of this , they decided to remove any incriminating items eg; clothes or cloths which might have evidence on and dispose of them there, they did go missing allegedly for 2 hours during that trip. I thought this was an interesting and it is a possibility. I do remember people were puzzled as to why they went on that day as it was a Bank Holiday in Spain and all the shops etc where they would have been distributing the posters were shut...Lizzy..

hope4truth said...

Viv

I am getting worse the more I type LOL...

Farden Centres are Garden Centres that ar Far away :o)

viv said...

Claudia

I wonder why JaneGT, Christabel/Supertroll and Rosie are not posting on the Pros blog:-)

Viv x

Joe said...

Talking about sedation, I recall on one of the forums reading that GM did not feel the need on May 3rd after the alarm had been raised, to wake up the twins to make sure they were ok, get them to a hospital to verify that they were ok (not been drugged or harmed). Yet we had all this talk after of the maybe the twins were drugged as to the reason why they did not wake up when Madeline was allegedly taken. Odd?

viv said...

Hope darling

One gets bored with one's local Garden Centre, so, quite obviously, one has to pop off to a more distant Farden Centre:-)

Claudia

They will take some flipping emailing to you:-)

hope4truth said...

Hi Joe

If I thought that one of my childen had been taken by a Peadophile I would want my other child checked out. If they did not wake during all the noise I would be very concerned that they had been hurt in some way...

hope4truth said...

Viv

Exactly x

Zodiac said...

H4T,

20.33pm LOL!

Joe said...

Hope4truth,

There is no way would one not wake up the children to convince oneself that they were conscious, especially if one believed an abductor with evil intent had been in the room. It does not fit.

viv said...

Hiya Lizzie

I recall reading the McCanns did not go to Huelva the day they planned but the next day because Gerry, apparently, got a tummy bug. So did they go the day the shops were shut and did they know the PJ were coming? I guess they did otherwise how did PJ get in to do the search. Could well have been to dispose of further evidence but I would have thought by August, they already did?

There was a lot of speculation at the time by the police as to why they went on that trip and a lot of concern that the mileage on the car was far higher than the police thought it should have been. By information received from Gerry's mobile phone provider they can work out from signals sent to local masts to make sure his phone would work abroad, almost exactly where he was at any given point in time..triangulation ..working out the signals bounced off different masts. Very accurate as there are a lot in the PDL area. I remember reading he gave an inaccurate account of his whereabouts. They knew he was lying due to triangulation done. He said he was about 25 km away from where he actually was. Now why would he lie about that. I believe the PJ know pretty accurately where the body is, but it must be in deep water and they cannot therefore locate it.


Viv x

2345 said...

Felicity,

You've got mail.

hope4truth said...

Zodiac

If they are all going to be used in evidence I had better try and type better...

Viv never answered my question about my dressing gown it is covered in chocolate and I need to know if I need to wash it (If I cant wear it in court I wont have to bother washing it)....

LOL x

hope4truth said...

Joe

If only to be selfish I would want to pick them up and hold them close and never let them go if my other child was missing... Then I would want them tested...

Joe said...

There is another possibility for the Huelva trip IMO, as a decoy as the PJ would be watching the McCann family and going miles and miles away from PDL.

viv said...

Joe and everyone

Not wanting to wake the twins or take them to hospital and check they were OK is yet another bizarre example of care and concern for one's kids, McCann style and very incriminating IMO.

Last thing they wanted was the twins checked...guilty as hell!

Only query I have is, did they drug the kids every night so they could leave them home alone, or did they drug the twins that night, due to what had happened and what needed to happen to "clean up". Either way..dreadful!

Viv x

2345 said...

Felicity,

John McCann's comment - PJ have gone up a cul-de-sac - hilarious.

Eddie & Keela confirmed it was a dead end indeed - not quite the cul-de-sac McCanns envisaged whilst scrubbing damning evidence.

A poster on 3 A's asked - would the McCanns have fled PJ and forensic evidence had it matched an abductor, not Madeleine ??? !!!

viv said...

Hope darling

I can tell you that strict formality and dress code in court are much more relaxed than they used to be. If you really must turn up in your choccy encrusted dressing gown the Judge will do little more than raise an eyebrow at you and chuckle to himself, god, I get all sorts in here:-)

viv said...

Guys

I have not had chance to read all your posts and just need to pop out for a short while but will when I get back real soon.

So dont even bloody think about it Troll!

Only about half an hour or so

Claudia, I think you can delete if you are around:-) Dont worry they all go to the email programme!

Viv xxxx

hope4truth said...

Viv

Well thank god for that... Of course I will wash it before we go I am sure you dont want me airing my dirty laundry in public...

My Easter Egg Mountain is nearly flat (thank god) xxx

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

To me the most precious moments for
parents is to see your children sleeping safe and peacefully. (I must confess that I don't like it when they sleep safe and peace.. in my bed,because they take all the space)

And in the morning watching/hearing them coming down the stairs with a happy face. And saying: "Goedemorgen mam". That's so nice.

Viv,

Can you explain something to me?

In the above article one of the millioniare bussinesman said;

"I have not yet been approached [a second time] but I wouldn't put any money in."


What does he mean by being approached? Who approached him the first time?
Is that a PR job or did the Mc Cann's approached him?

Joe said...

Not allowing or wanting the twins to be checked,is suggestive perhaps of sedation but not fact. Now in hindsight I do not think that sedation can be proved, but is merely speculative. It adds to the whole list of abnormal responses that we have read about.

2345 said...

Felicity,

I think McCanns' behaviour appears far more bizzare than it actually was because they have told so many lies in the cover up. To get out of one lie they tell another and another ......

The whole defence by media campaign is designed on the basis of public reaction, hence the daily heavy monitoring of Forums.
@Stories' are adjusted accordingly.

Back in the early 70's a relative worked as A & E sister in a local hospital. An Irish doctor with 4 children under five openly admitted giving them Phenegan to ensure a good night's sleep for himself and his wife. He was totally open about it and self prescribed ... nurses accepted it as safe practice due to his status.

Cláudia said...

Viv, I don't know if I'll be around.
As for the threatning posts, maybe I'll borrow them soon. Today was a very interesting and productive day, darling.
Going to have dinner, now. I'll see you all later.

P.S: Hello, hope! I'm fine, thanks. Just in a bit of a hurry. Hope you're ok too! :-)

hope4truth said...

Joe

Everything is odd...

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
That's interesting re the police knowing their exact whereabouts from the mobile phones, the triangulation done...clever, so therefore proving that he was not where he said he was. They can't argue with that kind of evidence. I think Gerry has underestimated the intelligence and resourcefulness of the Portugese police. I do find it odd that the day the police came to search the villa though, they went on this trip, could be coincidence but might not be.....Lizzy

2345 said...

joe,

Behaviour when the question is raised has been odd. In a live interview shortly after the disappearance a female interview asked McCanns whether they sedated their children. Gerry lost it ... jumped off his seat, ripped off microphone and stormed out leaving Kate acutely embarrassed.

Weird reaction because even if true, Gerry could simply have lied and said no ... I think his anger was sparked by an unexpected, surprise question .... He always has to be the 'man in charge'.
The interviewer was a glamorous female ... didn't suit macho Gerry's ego.

Joe said...

There is an old saying "a shoemakers children are the worst shod"

2345 said...

hope4truth,

Things which appear odd are due to the cover up and the constant need to sway public opinion. Forums are monitored, inconsistencies noted and more lies are told to try to rectify them.

Truth is always straightforward ...
Eddie & Keela proved it.

atardi said...

Hope,

The reason some people are jealous of you is because you have the ability to communicate with people. No matter who. You can touch everybody with your perseverance (I learned this one from Leigh3) and seriousness (don't know if this word exists)on the Madeleine case.

And of course your sense of humour.

I was ROFL about your next holiday in England.You were dreaming of a sunny place but the kids decided your destination.

The same happened to me last year. I was dreaming about Italy but the kids prefered a destination in..........Holland.

What kind of pot are you looking for?

hope4truth said...

Hello 2345

I know I know (still like to Hope)...

Eddie and Keela are amazing x

2345 said...

Felicity,

Have you ever encountered such profound aversion to the Police and forensic evidence in any other criminal investigation ?

The violent and abusive reaction it causes in Madeleine's case must be unique in criminal history.
It's absolutely astounding.

2345 said...

hope4truth,

I expect Eddie & Keela are still busy in Jersey .... priceless creatures.

Joe said...

2345,...
That's just it they have never really answered any REAL questions, not even on interviews prior to Sept. 07. Nor have Tapas 7. Even CM playing the policeman in January 08, no questions were allowed on air. What sort of press conference was that, were Journalists do not ask real questions? Even GW Bush gets awkward questions at times. What is there to hide?

hope4truth said...

Hi Aardi

I want a big pot to go in the corner of my garden so I can put a small tree in it...

I am worse at gardening than I am at DIY and my Husband asked the same question over and over as you did "what kind of pot are you looking for?" and I dont know...

Yes a week in Sunny England sounds fantastic!!!!!! I am really looking forward to it now but have about 6 books to take with me just in case we are stuck indoors due to Severe Gales and Storms (allways look for the worse and you will not be disapointed) LOL

Oh our clocks go forward tomorrow so will we be on the same time as you??? xxx

hope4truth said...

Oh Anon and on and on

You are so funny ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

I do hope that by drifting the person who posted was not sugesting I take drugs.

That really would be a very very wrong thing to say about me....

hope4truth said...

Oh LOL

Mystery solved the DX leads with an amazing story tomorrow...

Ban the Hood For Good (Will I ahve to cut all the hoods off of my dressing gowns now) check it out LOL

http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1311131,00.html

atardi said...

Hope,

A big pot for a small tree, hmmmm.
O, I got it. Over 40 years the tree will be big enough to fit the pot!

I like gardening, only when the weather is nice.

Hope, during my holiday in Holland I read a book "Sonny Boy" written by Annejet van der Zijl. Don't know if it is already translated in English but it was one of the best books I ever read. My husband read it also and agreed with me.

So John Irving's and Nicci French's last books are still waiting to be read.

Our clock will go a hour back at 3.00. So the night will be short here.

Gina said...

Hi Hope I have just been reading the 3A and wonder what the great headline would be, came over here and find its Ban the Hood -

As a matter of interest, where does Atardi live so that when you put your clock forward you catch up with her. We are an hour ahead of UK here in Spain, and will still be hour ahead tomorrow. You have confused me, but I do confuse easily

Anonymous said...

I think the pj have deliberately delayed the interviews so that the tapas 9 can tell more lies . They will have carefully logged all these statements and once the interviews in the uk take place they can act . Wont be long now .

viv said...

Hiya Atardi

In the above article it says that Justine McGuinness stepped down through exhaustion and because a PR with more legal experience was needed. So clearly the McCanns new criminal status was very important in terms of them needing a PR person. Clarence Mitchell certainly has experience on reporting murder cases having reported on the West case and another for the BBC. However, I am not aware of him having any legal expertise at all, although he tries to couch his pathetic language as though he is some very pompous lawyer, rather than one who actually knows what he is talking about.

The article goes on to state one entreprenneur backed out..I hope what I am reading is wrong..I have not been approached a second time..this does not look a good place to go. From reading that yes, it does sound as though someone asked him for money the first time but he was making plain now he knew the situation he did not want to get involved any further although he had not been asked again.

Then there is a second businessman backing out who pledged £100,000..we know that it was Branson who did that so it is clear he is the second one to withdraw from bankrolling the McCanns saying this is a difficult position and a very sensitive issue.

I think this really speaks for itself. The believed the PJ case against the McCanns and for the sake of their own reputations were not prepared to fund this couple, hence the McCanns via Clarence Mitchell, Edward Smethurst have been casting around for large sums of cash, even threatening to sue the PJ and trying to get Oprah etc to interview them about the lack of an amber alert system, clearly not something the Americans would pay them £1M to interview them about! By the same token the American film makers clearly wouldnot have been interested on that basis either so they finished up with an apparent £10,000 from ITV!

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Gina / Atardi

I wish they would leave the clocks alone it is very confusing...

This time tomorrow night it will be 22.58 today it is 21.58..

(Atardi lives in Holland)

What time is it there now Atardi and what time will it be this time tomorrow...

Same question for you Gina I am really confused now...

Ban the Hoodie and England will once again be a green and pleasent land LOL xxx

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