2 Mar 2008

ON THE DARK SIDE - DEFENDING THE MCCANNS?

You could have fooled me!

This is not intended for serious reading I am just rather disgusted about all the filth Assasin /Supertroll/ Thoughts for a Muse wrote on my blog last night - so just in case anyone is not quite sure what McCann defenders sound like here is a little sample! Would you want any of these little sweeties on your side!

Viv x



assasin said...
sorry to interrupt, quick message as im clearing inbox before getting on...Rosie, you have mail, but i sent it out through the wrong mail box so it might have gone into your junk folder - hotmail addie this time lol. Jak, you have one too;-)
01 March 2008 21:09
jak said...
Thanks Assasin, will see you over at yours soon.xHi Rosie, hows you? If Laz pops up tell him I was asking for him!Waiting for Dopples post then off.
01 March 2008 21:17

Rosiepops said...
AssasinThanks for that I have replied now :-)
01 March 2008 21:33
assasin said...
I wont be here for the response doppleganger cos im busy. Not being disrespectul, i will read it later tonight or tomorrow and reply too when im available.However, hows about you reveal your VERY real identity? :-):-)Btw. Apart from your real identity...do you know the meaning of people who call them selfelf monika's relating to their children on the internet? Ie dad23 etc? Or should i say lack of self identity?Sorry to post without not being available to reply straight away.regards
01 March 2008 21:34
assasin said...
I have an intolerance for psycho babble - it is amateur. Sorry, couldn't resist a reply. I meant your other id - the real one:-)Assassin. Goes without saying - my catchphrase - "Love with all your heart and pickaxe all %$&%tards" or erm maybe its an anagram...nis assaor even...sain asswho knows, you figure it out. Please blink first so we know you are alive. Thankyou:-)HTH:-):-):-)
01 March 2008 21:53

assassin said...
China Doll,I think your name and some of your comments gives away a lot at times. Nothing detrimental at all - but something a bafoon might jump on if they had a sinister mind to misuse and misinterpret what they read - and were paranoid to boot.
01 March 2008 22:10

assassin said...
You weren't banned cos you operated not openly and honestly - but erm like a solicitor?
01 March 2008 22:17

assassin said...
Precisely Chinadoll. Someone thought they were master of all - turns out they are jack on none ha ha! Rosie!! Spinach? I'm a carnivore ha ha!
01 March 2008 22:19

Rosiepops said...
Assasin please don't bring it down on my head either, I get the point honestly.So you are not that keen of spinach and ricotta cannelloni then?
01 March 2008 22:24

assassin said...
Take control away from a control freak and they will lash out - cant help themselves. ie ama..Of course the PJ will come. They will look like absolute idiots if they dont. Its a catch 22 though - no way for them to leave this situation at all other than look stupid unless they find madeleine and her abductor[s]. Not because they are stupid if they dont find her cos frankly i do not think she will be found whilst such high profile is kept on the case - but stupid cos they have been like a bunch of amateur wild dogs thrashing out their own issues in a hunt/crime. How do you get good policing in a nation born and bred to accept secrecy and Godlike cops?
01 March 2008 22:38

assassin said...
"Thanks for your reply,I missed it initially cos I'm trying to have four conversations at once.When I logged on earlier to read your blog all I could see was people discussing the other sites, disruption tactics and fake ID's etc.I think this is a shame, because when I was here the other day people were actually discussing the case and were willing to debate points with me.I know it is none of my business, but if you allow the site to go down that route, I think it will end up being entirely counter productive.I did notice you and others 'ticking' someone off the other day. But they don't appear to have got the message. (Now I am stirring - promise I will 'behave' from now on.)As to the other sites, it is becoming obvious that people have started posting on them posing as extreme 'antis' in order to discredit the blogs - now who would do something like that I wonder?".......................Oh purleeze - and they slam clarence mitchell for bad spin.You truly have to be kidding with that sad attempt at a spin act above? Dont apply for Max Cliffords job anytime soon eh.How transparent!!!
01 March 2008 22:41

assassin said...
But doppelganger is here because he has painted himself as the hero to all these pathetic women. Meanwhile i will say AGAIN refusing to reveal his REAL identity and MOTIVE...How could he not keep coming, he will be defaced and an idiot if he does not, then who will the dear little infantile dependant princesses have to rely on? Who will Viv have to control her and fuel her bitterness and use her as a pawn to carry out the violence of another whilst her strings are pulled like a puppet? Who has the experience to pull a raging victims strings like a puppet? Who is doing it? Thoiught, when one brings raving cases against drug addicts - no, not drug addicts, singular addict, that shame and rage throwing - why? Cos they have a drug themselves, in this case the drug is the ego. If they did not feel so much a nothing they would have shut the hell up a long time ago and crawled back to their state of nothingness, found some humility and stopped their masturbation act and power trip pulling the strings of vulnerable women in anti blogs and grown up - maybe....It is shocking what retirement can do to the male psyche if they are psyche is a bit shaky...
01 March 2008 22:47

Mum21 said...
assassin. I just peeked in at your blog. I may not be an expert on the computer...but I know a little. te he heIf you need any help with anything...just say the word.
01 March 2008 23:08

Rosiepops said...
AssasinI am not going to mention too much on here but I intend to let you know tomorrow. I am learning (as you say) not to give to much away on here, I have noticed some very odd things occur when I have said things that no one else has mentioned.
01 March 2008 23:13

assassin said...
Still waiting on a reply doppleganger. you dont have the capacity or knowledge to sue anyone doppleganger. Despite your profession you have no take on the law at all. That much has been made very clear in 'communications'. Why dont you lie down whilst you are beat - the women in here are way too strong to fall for your rubbish! Go back and deal with your puppet princesses.Whoops, sorry you cant now - you have lost face - havent you? Sadly, it always happens to any man that thinks they can handle more than one woman in a bed...:-)
01 March 2008 23:19

assassin said...
I have a lot you can do on a personal level mum21 - get back to you. Your interest too.On madeleine level, i have a lot anyone interested can do...:-)
01 March 2008 23:21

assassin said...
Oh please anon. Is the caravan attached at all? Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly they borrowed, not hired a blue jeep, unfounded fact, wake up - the pj have a witness who happens to be the father of a cop that sites madeleine with lookalikes to murat and kate with a timescale that is worse than the first four minute mile? How convenient...yet senseless!I shall repeat...How do you call a cab in portugal..."Godfather be my friend"?Unless you want to add to the conspiracy theories and suggest the taxi driver wqas several hours out with his statement and made the times up cos he was screwing a mistress on the side and wanted to speak up, but so happened to want to tell, but had to lie too to cover his own tracks to his wife...and then what do we have, murat and company, not the mccanns, no matter what time frame you throw at this....it is bullshit and desperation! Not even as good as the Madeleine was chopped up into bits and disposed of in nappies theory in reality - sick and disgusting as that one was - like all else...:-)
01 March 2008 23:30
Chinadoll said...
Damn,I am not on the nice list.I feel absolutely sick, physically sick and am wrenchingly sick, all over my computer.And I thought I was one of your favourites.Totally gutted, gobsmacked,RELIEVED.
01 March 2008 23:40

Rosiepops said...
It is a strange thing that for months every sighting that has come in ahas been instantly discredited by the antis and every witness to speak up has been ridiculed and discredit ted too.The pros have always hopes for the best re these sightings and feared the worse, but have chosen not to ridicule the witness for fear of putting others off.So one sighting that the antis actually like and can accept comes along and I note they are all falling over themselves to believe it and make it fit.Hope4Truth thinks it could be true and is a great way of taking a dead Madeleine around in her pyjamas and in a taxi, but she thinks that Madeleine has been smuggled around inside a dog too!So anon if you want someone to discuss your theories with one of the other blogs may suit you better, we prefer to try and stick to reality here.
01 March 2008 23:45

assassin said...
To answer your question re sexual references doppleganger, they are involved because they are highly relevant.The antimcann blogs are filled end to end with people getting sexual gratification from exploring their dark sides through madeleine. They are higly predictable people in the same way that any paedophile is. We have everything from solicitors jerking off over the case by raising madeleine foundations to classic abductor paedophile behaviours....Diane, kindly posted the beaumont case earlier, it is a good case example, one i was already aware off. The abductor/killer classicly sent a letter much time after. When letters are sent in most, but not all cases, [there are other examples and reasonings, i will give the most common here!] the child or the abduction victim is generally already dead. The abductor is seeking to gain the same sexual sensations and feelings of power and control that they got whilst in control of the victims and commiting the crime. By sending the letters he gets the feelings back again. Thus, when the media sensation and debate begins to die down in the Madeleine case we get those that are healing themselves, throwing suppressed rage out at their own mothers, seeking reparenting and gaining sexual gratification through madeleine doing things like starting to write letters and delivering them. They are hooked on the sexual high they are getting and their voyeuristic paedophilia and as the buzz and high dies they naturally and proverbially, just like the real killer and abductor [if it applies] seek to keep the conscious or unconscious sexual high and start banging out letters to get closer to the victim and family so thier wails and tears are heard and thier outrage is heard too and meanwhile - that 5 minute bit of sex they get when they demanded 20 is satisfied - through a poor innocent child who just happens to be called - MADELEINE!!!I hope that helps!
01 March 2008 23:52

Rosiepops said...
China,No real way of telling of course, but I don't think this anon was the same as the other anon, she actually came back and posted under a name, which escapes me at present.Anyway looks like the lates traveller has gone of to pastures old, probably Vile's, so that's ok.
01 March 2008 23:53

Rosiepops said...
China,No real way of telling of course, but I don't think this anon was the same as the other anon, she actually came back and posted under a name, which escapes me at present.Anyway looks like the lates traveller has gone of to pastures old, probably Vile's, so that's ok.
01 March 2008 23:53

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Anonymous said...

Bunch of nutters. That Assasin is absolutely psycho!

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
They are clearly candidates for a secure establishment, scary to be honest just how crazy some of the comments are. I think 2 of them at least have severe probs, I just igmore any anon or trouble makers on your site though as I think any respense encourages them to carry on with their scheming.
Rosiepops post of yesterday was revealing, not as clever as he thinks he is. God I sound like them... Hope you have a good Mothers day Viv, you deserve it..Lizzy 8.50am

ICantThinkOfAName said...

0900 hours

Pity I don't live in Tunbridge Wells as I was Disgusted by what was posted on your blog last night. Keep up the good work.

lizzy said...

HI Viv,
Had problems accessing the site last night but believe there was trouble, hope things go better today, I suppose although it is vile and annoying, it is a backhanded compliment, clearly these nutters see your site as a threat or they wouldn't bother trying to disrupt it.Still they shouldn't get away with it.Have a good day Lizzy

Di said...

Hi Viv

Thanks for letting us see what was going on last night. How these people can post such disgusting things, and say they are there to defend and help the McCanns is totally beyond me. I agree with Lizzie, they feel threatened by your site and are doing their best to disrupt debating and frighten posters away.

Niki said...

Hi Viv! So sorry to see the attack on here last night, but happy to see the site still up and running! Keep up the good work!:)
-----


Missing: The contrasting searches for Shannon and Madeleine

Has class influenced the rewards offered and publicity given to two campaigns to find missing children? Cole Moreton goes to Dewsbury to investigate

Madeleine McCann

Age: Four. Parents: Kate, 40, a GP. Gerry, 39, a cardiologist. Siblings: Twins, now aged two.

Home: Detached house, Leicestershire.

UK press stories after nine days: 465.

Rewards offered: £2.6m: the 'News of the World', Stephen Winyard, Philip Green, Simon Cowell, Coleen McLoughlin, 'The Sun', Sir Richard Branson, J K Rowling.

Public donations: £1.1m:

J K Rowling, Bryan Adams, David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, John Terry, Phil Neville, David Moyes, the England cricket team.

Wikipedia profile: 2,182 words after nine days.

Shannon Matthews

Age: Nine. Parents: Karen, 32, and Leon Rose, 29. Stepfather, Craig, 22. Siblings: Six boys and girls, from her mother's partnerships with five different men.

Home: Three-bed council house, Dewsbury Moor.

UK press stories after nine days: 242.

Rewards offered: £25,500. Made up of £20,000 by 'The Sun', £5,000 from Huddersfield firm Joseph International, £500 from Wakefield pensioner Winston Bedford.

Public donations: Thousands at most, including Leona Lewis.

Wikipedia profile: 151 words after nine days.

Full article:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/missing-the-contrasting-searches-for-shannon-and-madeleine-790207.html?r=RSS

Niki, 11.18

hope4truth said...

Good Morning ALL

And Happy Mothers Day...

Viv I cant believe the filth that was posted on here last night it was sick and discusting and posted by someone who has severe problems. I hate to believe that a woman could write such terrible stuff punching woman in the kindeys while they are Raped etc over and over again was pure evil bile.

I dont know what was worse the words of hate and graphic detail or when they or some other sick sod posted they could not believe what was being written on your blog and how terrible we were for posting it. It was either the sicko who was posting the filth or one of their cronies from another site which IMO makes them as disturbed as the sick poster.

God help the McCann family if these are the people defending them if CM has anything to do with the other site he really needs to sort people out. I cant belive he has now though because things can be checked out and I am sure he would not want his name to be assosiated with this kind of filth.

A 3 year old girl is missing and to assosiate her with this filth is disrespectful and discusting. If she was taken what has or is happening to her reaches the depths of hell. This sick person has their own agenda I dont know what it is but I pray they do not have any children of their own.

Thanks to a nasty bitch at the DX at Christmas I realised that people are not what they seem and some like to play games. She made me sick at the time but she taught me a valuble lesson and I will never let any facelesss poster upset me. I also dug my heals in and refused to go away had she had a brain cell she could have convinced me I was wrong and I may have stopped posting.

Reading Viv's new thread they are a bunch of idiots Doppleganger makes me laugh and also has some intresting Ideas and for this they slate him and try to imply that he is here to feed our egos and his own. Maybe in their sad world of counting how many posts they have and running to their leader for a pat on the head when they sneak over and leave their filth they feel they are doing something positive but all they are doing is showing that scoring points is more important than the thing their site so say represents.

I hope the Police can find the sick individual that posted here last night as they need help and if they believe anything they posted are truly dangerous.

Viv I am not going anywhere and I am sure no one else will either all the sad idiot did last night was prove it is not this site that has the problem but the site from where they came...

xxx

isis said...

Hope the posts that were left here last night in my opinion had nothing to do with anyone connected with any of the 3 blogs. One of them in particular i do remember seeing before,when my son was using the computer and keyed in a wrong letter. They are prewritten and sent in multiples. There is no knowing the depth of depravity in the human mind. Those posts came from someone who is a danger to society and women in particular. They seem full of anger and resentment,as the writings of bundy,gacy,son of sam and many more serial killers that are too numerous to mention. My only hope is that viv has some wat of having these traced as whoever is posting them has very serious mental health issues with an inherent hatred of women. On a lighter note i wish you all a very happy and restful mothers day.

2345 said...

Viv,

As dull as a gaggle of fishwives.
10.10 a.m.

2345 said...

Viv & Everyone - Happy Mother's Day

Not forgetting the men who made it possible ....

A little reminder for the Sabbath -
response from Leicester Police to e-mail of support :

"At the heart of this enquiry is an innocent little girl who went missing in May 2007.

Our focus remains in doing whatever we can to assist Judiciary Police & Portgugues Authorities to find out what happened to Madeleine. I am sure that you would support us in this".

The same applies to painstaking Police work in Jersey with the irreplaceable Eddie & Keela.

Have a nice day. 10.12 a.m.

hope4truth said...

Isis

You could be right there are many sick people using the internet and someone could have strayed in...

As I just said though the coment from Anon saying how sick we were to be posting such stuff was either the individual posting it or worse still someone from another site trying to impress their leader which IMO says it all about certain posters.

I wonder what their familys would think of them if they realised what they were doing?

Anyone who hides their identity is a coward and that says it all really...

hope4truth said...

2345 said...
Viv,

As dull as a gaggle of fishwives.
10.10 a.m.


That is the best description I have ever read LOL x

2345 said...

Isis, Viv & Everyone,

Don't take the bait; the whole purpose of the exerise is to get a reaction. Their only aim is closure of Forums; ignore the goading idiots - they want complaints, lots and lots - leverage for closure. 10.20 a.m.

isis said...

Hope, I would be deeply disturbed to think that anyone i had corresponded with on the DE would be capable of such filth, then again who knows who is who as we are all names behind a screen.As i said one of the messages was familiar to me as i nearly lost my reason when my son showed it to me. In any case lets just hope that the filth is never written again as it is not nice to have a view into the depravity of some peoples minds. Have to go now as my beautiful breakfast has arrived on a tray !!!

Anonymous said...

Viv,
Have a lovely Mother's Day.

If that is the level of support the McC's have then they are in dire trouble. What an embarrassment those posters are. Your site is obviously a threat and as usual they try to use their bullying as a method of intimidation. They get posters banned from forums and try to deny the WWW to it's users, they should be up off their backsides looking for the little girl they claim has been adbducted, go and LOOK for her, do something positive about it. As 2345 says 'United We Stand'.
Zodiac

2345 said...

Hope4you/isis,

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS...

Viv's in control and deletes unacceptable posts. 10.25 a.m.

hope4truth said...

2345

I am all out of troll food I give up and they can now starve.

Very sad disturbed people in the world but no longer my problem...

Viv I was wrong delete their filth and ego filling lies when they are posted...

God help any children who have people like that for parents...

2345 said...

Hope4you,

I seldom read their posts; focus on the positive and dismiss the negative is my philosophy.

Things are good; PJ have finally won their battle against Brown's delaying tactics, a firm reminder of the commitment of the Police.
Eddie & Keela continue to receive public recognition as the best cadavers available; 100% success in over 200 cases, including Madeleine's.

Thier invaluable assistance to the Police in the Jersey case has resulted in assurance that those responsible will be brought to justice. A former member of staff is assisting the Police. A damning Report of the horrors inflicted behind closed doors exists. The adults responsible for the childrens' welfare abandoned them; left them to be tortured and in some cases, be killed. These people were party to a cover up ... thanks to the Police, Eddie & Keela, the truth is out.

The damning forensic evidence, amongst other aspects remains on Police files - PJ's & Leicester Police - in Madeleine's case. Their sterling work will continue ... they know they have full public support. Not only in Madeleine's case, but in Jersey and Shannon's plight as well.

United we stand in our support of law and order. 10.50 a.m.

The 10.40 a.m.

2345 said...

Viv,

Supertroll - as predicted - they hope and pray you will involve the Police, that being the plan and, of course, the trap. I noticed tactics yesterday we heading in this direction. Saddos ....
10.55 a.m.

2345 said...

Supertroll,

Tele sales is more your style.
10.55 a.m.

2345 said...

WARNING ... I HOPE YOU DID GO TO THE POLICE ... THINGS HAVE GONE TOO FAR.

Herr Clarence is getting desperate ... PJ's imminent arrival, delaying tactics failed,
Eddie & Keela succeed yet again - in Jersey. PR tactics, a failure, hugely popular Forums reflect true public opinion.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. 11.10 A.M.

dolores said...

Good morning dear Viv & everyone,
On this glorious day.A very happy mothering Sunday to all.

I was so appalled by last nights depraved poster,who is in obvious need of urgent help.
It really is better to completely ignore it and not be tempted to answer.
There were a lot of Google server errors last night with this page.
Hope they have rectified it today.

Dear friends, please do not give the trolls a voice.

xx D

dylan said...

Happy mothers' day mums, & dads too!

Yes, last night was truly horrible. It scares me deeply to think that there are minds on this planet of ours that could even think up such horrors.

I am still here too but still a bit shaky as to my close shave.

ST - I accept that you have come in peace today. We all hope that the filth didn't come from one of the other blogs & i don't believe it was you. Whoever it was, needs locking-up.

Isis - nice to see you made it back here today.

Hope, have a lovely one and everyone else of course. I feel we may get some news about an interview date next week. Eddy and Keela have proven their worth & some people should now be getting very worried...

Viv - well done for sticking it out and rising above it all.

Dyl x

Cláudia said...

Hello, just wanted to send you a beijinho after what happened yesterday. Keep strong, querida Viv.
xxxxxxxxxx

Atardi said...

Happy mother's day mum's.

Viv, I hope everything is well.

Hope to read you later

eurekamano said...

Hi Viv and all, I was disgusted to read the nonsense posted last night and skimmed it to avoid the pollution. Well done for reacting as you have, and my good wishes for today and the future.
eureka

2345 said...

Supertroll,

As you had the option of ignoring it, why didn't you ?

It's a deliberate tactic designed to disrupt the Forum. No worries -Viv always deletes unpleasant comments - no need for concern.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. 2.15 p.m.

southerncross said...

Good afternoon
I am glad everything is back to normal on here,Viv. Was quite shocking to read all the insane drivel anonymous posted here last night
To all the lovely ladies, happy Mothers Day

felicity said...

Hi All

Thanks for all your mind messages of support. When I was on the Daily Express I used to get bombarded with the most offensive filth e.g. referring to me as HIV and when I responded they would press the report button. Assasin/Supertroll/~Thoughts for a Muse etc had been posting Rosie for the last few days about her plan to get this blog closed. Put all that sick filth on that goes on in her head and then press the flag blog button at the top of this page. As Assasin's posts on Rosie's blog last night confirm she was also ranting in a sick sexualised manner, although nowhere near as bad as she what she put on here.

When Rosie can colloborate with and encourage such disgusting behaviour but leave someone else to take the blame with the police it gives us some idea of how sick he is.


I believe you have now realised ST/Assasin that treating us to the unimaginable depravity that goes on in your head will not close this blog. Neither will either of our sick blogs where you libel and abuse me with the stated aim of closing this blog. No matter what you write on this blog now it will be deleted. You are most definitely not welcome.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Sorry I should have said there was one big big give away in the posts as to the author.
If you read through you will see it for yourself.
If one of your own can do this it says it all.

2345 said...

anonymous,

We're long experienced and know your methods ... misconstrue, misrepresent, divide and rule won't work here. Your efforts are wasted so toddle off. 4.15 p.m.

Louise said...

I am getting the gist of what happened last night by reading your posts. How anyone can degrade a blog that is dedicated to a little girl, with obscene filth is beyond my comprehension. Whether
"pro" or "anti", anyone who sinks to this level must be in need of serious help.

I did read some post yesterday afternoon, thankyou for your reply Dylan, but I still think it was inappropriate to post the graphic details of your dream. However if you found this theraputic so be it,
but remember Madeline is physically nothing to do with you.
Emotionally, yes we all feel grief at not knowing her fate and concern for her, but you seem to be taking this and packaging it as your own tragedy.

I also read posts re Muldoon, I have felt dubious when reading this poster and noticed that yesterday he/she seemed to becoming increasingly desperate and seem to enjoy using the peadophile word. I actually stopped reading the blog at that point because it was mentioned so often it lost impact. This is the person I believe to be responsible for last nights disruption.

hope4truth said...

The police are investigating and I hope they find the sick twisted idiot that posted last night.

I pray they do not have children with a twisted mind like that they should not be anywhere near children.

I dont know who it was but whatever anyones views this is about a 3 year old little girl and this bile will not be tolerated.

Anonymous said...

Doc?

Louise said...

Hope4truth
That is proably the only thing you will ever say that I agree with!!!

Atardi said...

hope4truth

How is your mother's day going? I hope your having a nice one.

I'm still shocked about last night and hope this person can be traced.

hope4truth said...

Doc must be very near the truth for everyone to worry about what he is and to try and blame him for the bile here last night.

Get over it I believe he is a Dr and have read some of the funny reasons he is not...

He must be worrying people to point the finger like this and to keep on and on about not being a Dr...

Who cares what he or anyone else is this is Cyber Space we can choose to be what we want to be (If we are sad enough) I have never said what I do for a living and that way have not got to prove anything to people who would choose not to belive me.

Hysterical that everyone thinks the Feedjit map works as well it has not pinpointed where I am as my firewall is excelent...

No the sick twisted pervert who posted last night was here to disrupt and all they did was show this site how sick people are and if whoever it was is reading get some help because you really need it.

hope4truth said...

Louise

Thats a shame because all I want is for the truth to come out re Madeleine are you not intrested in the truth or do you know everything already?

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Hello I am having a lovely day thanks the girls have left me now and gone to listen to music but have spent all day asking me if I want anything. We went out for Lunch with my Mum and Dad and had lovely cards a soft elephant with a heart with MUM on it and a crystal mouse again with MUM on it... Breakfast in bed at 7.30 (weetabix and cold toast) but it was lovely and they were so excited funny to watch their dad while I was eating asking where his was...

Last night was very sad wasnt it such discusting posts. I scrolled through most of them but they certainly enjoyed pressing post. Pray they do not have children and i hope the police find them as they are ill...

Are you having a nice day when is your Mothers day???

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

Nice to read you had a wonderful day. I hope your kids won't forget your breakfast on Fathersday.;)

Mothersday will be on the 11th of May.

About last night. Yes the posts were very disgusting. I haven't read them also. I tried to change the subject. But couldn't.

I hope like you that the person responsible for the posts doesn't have kids.

hope4truth said...

Atardi

You have it to look forward to then... I will take a bar of chocolate to bed with me the night before Fathers Day and munch that in bed while he eats his breakfast LOL

Someone was trying to disrupt the site last night and because it did not work they are back today trying to say it was someone who posted here but they can do what they want they are ill and need help and I will keep posting...

xxx

hope4truth said...

Troll

I know they are very sick and I pray they do not have children very very deranged posts.

Lets hope the police track them down and stop their evil rants.

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

You made me laugh. I'll be prepared in june.

As for the today posts I think someone is still trying........

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Let them try it shows how desprate they are I have a very good down arrow that I can press so I dont have to stop and read...

I am looking forward to Fathers Day now LOL xxx

Louise said...

Hope4truth
Of course I am interested in the truth, IF and WHEN it does come out I will then make my judgement, based on the facts.

Scurrilous things have been said about Madeline and her parents, ie Kate has a coke habit, Madeline was abused etc, all this is pure conjecture, but people still feel it is their right to say it. Which compounds the old saying "what they dont know they will make up."

Question these people on what they say and they will become abusive. Everyone who posts on this blog is a perfect parent, well there is no such thing, I know I am not, I have made loads of mistakes. Kate and Gerry made the biggest by leaving their children and are paying for it dearly. They lost a beloved daughter, have been accused of killing her, and are being slagged of by all and sundry. I read a post the other night and it said "surely it is better to point the finger wrongly and be wrong than the other way around". To me this sums up the mentality of some people. What I say is "reserve your judgement until you know all the facts".

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

What I don't like is to mention someone who isn't online.

Anonymous said...

Anyone see the post on Alsabella's site on the new book about Madeleine? I think Clarence is going to go ballistic.

hope4truth said...

Louise

If being a perfect parent means never leaving your children alone then I am proud to say I am but realy get over yourself none of us are perfect I have never comented on a Coke Habbit but IMHO if people need to spin and refuse to answer questions then there is something not right...

If my child was to ever go missing (god forbid) then I would expect to be placed under a spotlight and I would expect for my husband and any family or friends that were around at the time they went missing to be suspects as well until they had answered all questions and everyones story added up...

I dont care what the truth is as long as Madeleine is seen as the Victim and she is the only victim if Kate and Gerry are inocent that will be good because it means at least he Twins will not loose them if they are not then I will be sad for the Twins as the last thing they need is to loose their parents.

The Rogatory letters have been served so maybe there will be closure soon one thing I never understood is why they did not wonder if their friends had taken her many missing children are abused by relatives and family friends and when they go missing it is these people that took them...

I will wait for the truth but I have many questions it is none of my business and as for people being abusive when you disagree yes people are but that works both ways and some of the abuse I have recieved from some posters was not warented I may not agree with people but have tried to be polite...

I am not going to stand back when a spin dr says most British parents would or have done what they did. It is unture and if anyone thinks it is ok let them live with themselves as one thing is sure if they had not neglected her she would not be missing.

I dont want them jailed for neglect (although if the PJ had wanted to just throw them in jail they could have charged them at the time and did not.

If there was an accident I dont think Jail could be any worse than what they are going through either so what would be the point in that.

If it is more sinister then the law must take it's course and that is not something that makes me happy but the truth must come out.

irina said...

Hello everyone (well almost),

I have not read posts yesterday, but the ones that Viv published today are shocking!
There are bad and sick people out there looking at computer screen and waiting for some tragedy to happen to satisfy themselves.
How awful, poor Madeleine, she had to deal with abuse during her life and after again!


There should be a special service to report people like that. They might be responsible for children sufferings.

I am optimistic about Madeleine's case.
2345, thank you for posting Leicester Police reply.

Thank you Viv for getting us all together and standing up for Madeleine and the truth, honored to know you and your respectful posters.

felicity said...

Hi Irina

I agree the posts I have put up today are shocking - the ones last night amounted to a serious criminal offence and demonstrated a dangerous and depraved mind but the author is the same person.

Supertroll and Assasin you will note have the same unique signature and their chosen usernames do not leave a lot to the imagination. The thing that calls itself Rosie has congratutulated and encouraged this animal and has wrote literally hundreds of extremely offensive posts about me, continues to do so, and then comes on here today trying to plead its innocence. Decent people are not fooled by one who repeatedly insists the McCanns decisions to consistently leave their tiny children alone all night, every night, whilst they enjoyed themselves and then dump them every day in the creche are nice caring parents who just made a terrible mistake. Neither are we fooled by his disgusting racist rants, not just about Portuguese people but the one about how Sudanese people apparently go around chopping people's heads off with machetes. Anyone who can think and write this sort of stuff has a very dark and seriously perverted personality. How awful was it when Rosie even sought to link the McCanns to poor Mrs Bulger and Mrs Payne??

The McCanns campaign and the sick people who seek to represent them epitomises those that abuse others with no humanity or conscience. Child abuse, racism - what sort of people resort to this? It is a little say to try and distance itself from this abuse and clearly only done because I have now involved the police. Something I should have done a long time ago.

There are lovely people contributing to this blog. People who love, honour and respect defenceless little children who need protection from sick, dangerous and abusive adults. We will continue to stand firm against them. Criminals always try to portray themselves as victims - we know the real victims, children with abusive and dangerous parents like poor Maddie had. We will continue to point that out and stand on the side of decency, respect for the police and Justice for all abused children.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

What a f*****g coward you are vile bitch.

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hope4truth said...

Evening Viv

Have you heard anything from the police today?

When this is all over I will never visit a blog again there are some really nasty and crazy people out there.

I allways look for the good in people and part of me hopes it was a nut just looking in and posting the vile posts. But in reality it is probebly someone from an Pro forum trying to cause trouble far from making it look like your site is sick I think they have more to worry about as it makes them look sick and I am sure any genuine posters would be sickend to know it was being done in there name...

I have noticed I use the word sick a lot but it sums a lot of things up..

Take care

leigh3 said...

Louise and her friends:
You say: '...reserve your judgement until you know all the facts...'
I suggest you take your own advice instead of spinning for the McCann Machine.

You describe Madeleine as 'beloved', but the EVIDENCE says otherwise. No 'beloved' child would be left night after night in a foreign apartment on her own, aged 3, with two siblings, aged 2. That is child neglect. That is crazy child neglect. Such parents are charged and sentenced in the UK, and most of the civilised world.

Louise and friends and family McCann: you say such neglect was a 'mistake'. It wasn't. It was deliberate, serial child neglect; a criminal offence, committed by educated doctors who then went on to prey on public sympathy, and take money from poor people to 'search' for 'missing' Madeleine by paying corporate fraud specialists, Metodo3 who know about money laundering, but have no EVIDENCE of finding lost children.

Louise and McCann Machine: you are busted, morally and socially. Soon, you will be 'busted' in the police meaning of the word.

Hey ho. Every time you people write, you reveal your corrupt agenda.EVIDENCE of your duplicity - and complicity for some of you when you face serious questioning, not by the public, but by the police.
Happy posting!

lizzy said...

HI Viv,
Well said and good for you in standing up to the low lifes who posted vile posts on your blog.
I hope that now you have involved the police they will cease.
As you say these people have no decency, and are probably now scared of the repercussions to their disgusting posts. I hope you had a good day....Lizzy 19.50

mtoosad said...

Hi Viv
Happy mother’s day to you!
Only today did I become aware of the horrible things that had happened in your blog. And I only can imagine because I did not read them, only the ones that you posted today which I find them very shocking. It’s unbelievable at what level desperation can go to do such things. But you are a strong woman and no matter what they do, they can never shut us. Thanks Viv

Poor Madeleine if these are the people that claims to defend her.

Viv, I would like your opinion about questioning witness in uk. In Portugal it´s a norm that when the police want to question a witness once again, the police contact the witness to be present in their offices. But someone told me that in uk it is different, that the police must do the questioning where the witness want and that they can also refuse to the questioning?. Is this true?

2345 said...

Hope4you/Viv,

They're playing the game they'd paid to perform.

Their aim is to close this Forum; they seek only to anger sicken and subject public debate to scrutiny. Remember Gordon Brown loathes this method of public debate especially in this case.

Big Brother gave strong hints of limiting/closing internet discussion recently on the news.
20.10 p.m.

docmac said...

Hi Viv

I have just noticed that the Ass and the toileTroll are snuggling up to each other on another blog (they belong together in more ways than one). Then anon starts hammering you on your blog again. Hmm... As quite a few on here know my real name (John Butler? Who the hell is that?) I may have more of a case for libel than any of these charlatans.

I see they are so desperate to break me down too. Even posters who appeared to have had some modicum of intelligence and respect in the DE days (eg HelenM) are now asking how I have time for a blog? What part of neonatal ICU's irregular hours and boss did they not get? I work whenever I choose mostly. I play the rest of the time. Sometimes I even check my email! What a scandal.

I've a feeling your blog is going to be hit tonight again.

By the way, I chose the Audi.

2345 said...

Viv,

3 A's mods have issued a salutory warning to the rules applicable to Forum members. People are left in no doubt about codes of conduct and rules applicable to banning those deemed unsuitable.

The above is in response to unacceptable behaviour in the recent past. Rule breakers lose their membership fair and square.
End of ...... 20.20 p.m.

alsabella said...

Docmac

I did not read their comments on you, but have just read what you posted. Anything and anyone that has a life that they cannot understand is strange to them and they assume the poster is lying. They questioned me in the same manner many months ago and then did not like the honest answers I gave them...oh well.

Whatever you do - and I do believe you are a doctor, but even if you weren't it would not matter - that is not the reason they discredit you. If you were unimportant, they obviously would not be on a blog I am assuming you are not posting on, talking about you. Obviously your posts bother them, and that means you must be doing something right! lool

It really is a shame they cannot find other topics to post on rather than slate other blog's posters...
Does not say alot about their "support" cause, now does it?

hope4truth said...

Hello Doc

Without being rude about Dr's most Dr's I know spend a lot of time playing golf (which IMHO is as much as a waste of time as posting on a blog) I will confess I am a golf widow at times and have never understood what all the fuss is about chasing a small white ball around a course (but I'm not bitter) LOL...

You must be posting something that is ratteling them or they would not have to keep on about you not being a Dr???

I hope the sicko does not return tonight but if they think it makes Viv look bad they are way off it just shows them for what they are...

Hope you have had a nice weekend...

2345 said...

Viv & Everyone,

A timely reminder from Drachenstrachen - 3 A's :

September 7, 2007

http://daveross.wordpress.com/2007/09/0 ... ents-view/

So it appears that Kate and Gerry McCann may be involved in the death / disappearance of their 4 year old daughter Madeleine. My thoughts since the day it was announced that Madeleine was missing were simply for a 4 year old girl lost and on her own in a foreign country. As a father of 4 boys it broke my heart that any child could be scared, alone or being harmed by some desperate paedophile, it would almost be a releif if she were dead. Dear God I hoped she wasn’t suffering. Yes it was negligent to leave a young family alone in a foreign country while enjoying an evening meal, but that could be dealt with later.

Then something changed, her parents appeared on tv for the first time and I immediately said to my wife ”there’s something not right about him”. Gerry McCanns whole demeanor was wrong for a father in that situation. Any parent will tell you that if you didn’t know where your child was , suspected of being abducted you COULD NOT appear as calm and unaffected as Gerry McCann, Kate McCann was obviously distraught and showed all the expected signs of a mother in that situation.

The media circus that then erupted was suddenly all about Kate and Gerry. Kate and Gerry walk to the beach, Kate and Gerry being interviewed again, Kate and Gerry start to campaign, Kate and Gerry go on a media tour, Kate and Gerry meet the pope, Kate and Gerry raise 1.5 million pounds. Excuse me for spoiling the fun but what about Madeleine. As parents you COULD NOT organise a campaign like that knowing your 4 year old daughter was missing. Good god he was also captured kissing a child on the head on some public walkabout. Who does he think he is?

Where were the McCanns twins during this whirlwind? With childminders, family, friends? They had lost there big sister and now their mum and dad were never there. As parents of a missing child you COULD NOT leave your other children's side for a second in these circumstances.

The British press jumped on the bandwagon, ridiculing the Portuguese Police as half wits unable to deal with a case of this magnitude. Well it looks like they were dealling with it just fine. I guess they knew from very early on in the investigation but evidence was the key. These are professional men as competent as our own wonderful force (remember Jean Charles de Menezes). British misplaced Empire arrogance again , Johnny Foreigner just isn’t as good as us.

Apologies to Arthur Conan Doyle but Sherlock Holmes would say something like ”when every possibility has been disproved whatever is left however unlikely must be true”. Therein lies the horrid truth that middle class, professional, educated, Brits could harm there own child. I hope and pray that justice for Madeleine however unpalatable is found. My own opinion matches that currently being promoted by the Portuguese press that all 3 children were sedated by the McCanns before their night on the town and that Madeleine was inadvertently overdosed and was killed accidentally by her parents. What has happened since is a ing attempt I feel driven by Gerry McCann to cover their tracks, a giant media driven smokescreen that blinded everyone except the diligent Portuguese police who kept their eyes peeled while the smoke cleared.

The devastating loss of a young child and the impact it has had on the world will hopefully refocus some parents on the importance of being parents, none of us are perfect but we owe it to our children to be there for them ALWAYS. Our children must come first, we chose to have children and as parents we must accept the absolute responsibility it brings.

No I don’t feel sorry for Kate and Gerry McCann I feel sorry for a little girl deserted by her parents for a night out, a little girl whose life is almost certainly lost. Madeleine will always be in our thoughts, her parents deserve nothing but the contempt coming their way. I just hope that the suspicious Gerry McCann doesn’t pass the whole blame onto the truly devastated and vulnerable Kate. There was even a smug look to camera as he walked into the police station for his interview today, he’s just not right.

God bless Madeleine.

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Atardi said...

Hallo Docmac,

Thanks for coming in last night to clear some things up.

I appreciated that very much.

docmac said...

Alsabella hi

I think you and have been in the same boat for some time. Some would have us walk the plank too.

Hi Hope

Golf? That's Gezza's game, I tried it whilst still at school and have never bothered again. I was worse than hopeless at it!

southerncross said...

Docmac goeienaand!

Yesterday evening reminded me of Weskoppies/Valkenburg/Lentegeur etc.
Ek begin wonder of ek enigsinds verder gaan aanhou lees, die wantroue,insinuasies en versluierde dreigemente is nie rerig vir my die moeite werd.

Ek bewonder jou deursettingsvermoe en koelkop redenasies. Ek weet ook dat enige nuweling soos ek, 'n magdom vraagtekens en agterdog veroorsaak. My rede om hier te lees en soms te probeer pos, is die feit dat ek 'n ma is, ene wat al 'n kind verloor het en miskien juis omdat ek die werk doen,wat ek doen.Sou iemand my motiewe bevraagteken, ek is bereid dat jy me epos-adres kry en bevestig wie ek se,ek is.

My apologies to all English readers for my Afrikaans posting

2345 said...

Viv & Everyone,

Addendum to last post: Gerry left the interview named 'arguido'. The damning FSS information in Jane Hill's report was presented to him after his smug look to camera on his way into interview.

United we stand and focussed on truth and freedom of speech ....
20.35 p.m.

docmac said...

Goedenavond Atardi

I don't know what I cleared up, but you are welcome.

Alles goed?

hope4truth said...

Doc

You have just proved you are a Doc as you dont like golf (cant blame you) you therefore have time to post and check your e mail...

Who would want to be a Dr if there was no free time some of these people are so thick...

docmac said...

Hello Southerncross

Careful now, I'll be accused of bringing my imaginary friend along!

I am so sorry about your child. How was that related to your work? I feel desperately sad for every child I 'lose' and I can assure you there have been quite a few over the past 17 years.

Moet nie dat daai klomp etterbekke vir jou wegdryf nie. Jeez, that's poor Afrikaans, but you get the drift?

You are welcome to my email addy, just ask Viv at Felicity123@live.co.uk.

leigh3 said...

2345!
Yes. The 3A moderators are wide awake, although forums/new media is evolving. Thanks for the timely reminder.

Yes. ATBB expresses so well what so many of us feel, and think, and KNOW.

Yes. GM overestimates himself...until presented with bare facts.

I see his hired hands - especially the DE girly gang, subservient to him - have appeared on this forum under other names or as anonymouse (as I like to call 'it').

Evidence, 2345. You were always a pleasure to read, and remain so. Hope you're finding the world weird web interesting, despite its failings.
Best wishes.
Leigh3

Atardi said...

Docmac,

I meant your posts last night about new posters and anonymous posters.

I think it's not important for you to prove that you are a doctor.

You want justice for Madeleine, and I and most posters on here want it to. That's why I am here.

I noticed that the ones who don't want justice for Madeleine will do anything to discredit Viv, 2345, Alsabella and you.

docmac said...

Hope

I read from DianeH in Aus that one of her relatives is a paediatrician and has so much work he or she has no spare time for any recreation. I would assume this means no time for any children either. Obviously a junior in the partnership then. Those days are long gone for me. These desperados also wonder why I have the time to spend worrying about a case like this. Hello? Madeleine, child neglect, doctors involved. Why on earth would would I not be interested?

docmac said...

Thanks Atardi

I'll be back in a bit. I need to watch something on the TV now.

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

My last post to you about people mentioning others when they are not online was about someone accusing Docmac. And he wasn't on line.
I don'tlike that.

It happened on the DE also.

2345,

I tried to post an article yesterday about how "sniffer dogs work"

Have you been able to read it?

southerncross said...

Goeienaand atardi,
Hoop dit gaan goed met jou!(in Nederland lei ek af).My great grandfather was a physician/surgeon in Bezuidenhout(PRIOR to the turn of the previous century), then became Paul Kruger's doctor in SA. I sometimes listen to the Dutch radiostation and am still surprised how "understandable to each other" our languages are.

I really hope we see progress this week re the rogatory letters.

leigh3 said...

Good Evening Docmac,

Sad to see the unfolding story in Jersey where children were abused, and the 'establishment' covered up what was happening. Remind you of anyone? Reminds me of the sickening display of McCann sycophants, excusing child neglect, and pouring scorn on justified inquiry into the role of Madeleine's parents, and their 'friends' in Portugal and the UK.

Gerry and Kate McCann remain prime suspects. Police suspect them of hiding and getting rid of her poor little body, possibly with the help of others.

The McCanns, and their supporters are people I would never wish to meet, let alone defend. Maybe they should all live with the 'establishment' in Jersey, and 'enjoy' their peculiar ways...

Atardi said...

southerncross,

Mijn medeleven voor het feit dat jij ook een kind verloren hebt.

Which radiostation you listen there? I hope you can receive Radio 1 also.
Last week SA was on the news also because of a sick students joke.

Bezuidenhout in The Hague? (Den Haag)

There will be progress. 3 Tapas will be questioned this week.

Nice to see people all over the world on this blog wanting justice for this girl.

felicity said...

Hiya all and how lovely to see you!

mtoosad

You asked a specific legal question - can witnesses in UK refuse to co-operate with the police? The answer to that is a resounding no! Obstructing the police or doing any act tending to pervert the course of justice is a serious criminal offence, including assisting an offender which would be the case by refusing to answer police questions. How seriously the courts would take such behaviour would depend on the nature of the enquiry the police are undertaking - where, as in this case, the enquiry is about the homicide of a little girl, witnesses who refused to assist the police would be likely to get substantial custodial sentences. Where a witness may also be a suspect it is usual for the police to say to the person please come to the police station to assist in our enquiries - if they refused they would be likely to be arrested. It would simply not be feasible for the witnesses to be interviewed at their home address. Interviews under police caution have to be tape recorded. I think it is highly likely that in the case of Tanner and O'Brien they would be interviewed under caution on the basis they police reasonably believe they have committed an arrestable offence.


I hope that explains but if not please come back.

Viv x

felicity said...

Hiya 2345

Gerry had a very smug and arrogant look on his way into Portmao police station but then on exiting looked sad and forlorn - for the first time - now I wonder why that was! Self pity only...

Viv x

southerncross said...

Hallo atardi
Dankie vir jou simpatie,dit was 19 jaar gelede. I am not sure exactly where my great grandfather practised,but it might have been in Den Haag(I just remember the name Bezuidenhout from what I have been told)
We are quite aware of the Kovsie(University of the Free State)scandal, it has also been broadcasted on Sky here in the UK.Such a horrible shame!

I have been reading Tylersmum's comments on the 3A's and if I understand it correctly, the tapasniks can postpone the process,not cooperate etc so at this stage,I am beginning to feel quite disheartened at the outcome of all of this.Perhaps just the familiar Sunday blues

felicity said...

Hiya Leigh

I know what you are saying - if I bumped into Kate and Gerry McCann it would be difficult to be the rational and pleasant person I try to be!

The only way I want to see those two is on TV being led away with their silver bracelets on.


Viv x

leigh3 said...

Hiya Felicity!

Silver bracelets? Dahlink: commodity prices have gone sky high lately (source: FTSE100).

How about base metal bracelets; something thin, heavy, and ugly.

More appropriate, me thinks :-)

I don't like child neglectors or child abusers or their apologists...my not so humble opinion, as usual :-)

felicity said...

Hiya Southerncross

Tylersmum is completely wrong - when the PJ come here and Leics Police summon the witnesses to attend the police station they simply cannot refuse - they would get arrested! Additionally what sort of press would they get for doing the complete opposite to what they always said they would - not that they would be given any choice. This is a serious investigation into the homicide of a little girl - heaven help anyone who refused to co-operate with the police - they would go to jail. There are a number of laws in UK as I have mentioned above that clearly state you cannot do that!Apart from offences like obstructing police and perverting the course of justice it seems to be the police have other reasonable grounds to arrest Tanner and O'Brien anyway. I have read before that Tylersmum is stating defence solicitors dictate what goes on in such a case - forgive but that is pure rubbish, the police dictate what goes on and defence solicitors and their clients have to obey the law which clearly involves fully co-operating in a homicide investigation, or else!

Viv x

Atardi said...

Goedenavond southerncross,

Tylersmum was posting on the DE also.

I hope Tapasniks (lol) can't refuse to cooperate.

See Viv's answer to mtoosad.

felicity said...

Hiya Leigh

~Great post back to Louise earlier!

I hear those base metal bracelets can cause nasty chafing, best to stop struggling, stop lying and face the music!

We will have Justice for what they did to dear little Maddie.

I hope they can be "persuaded" to admit what they did with her little body so that she can have a
decent burial but even if they do not, this will not stop them from being prosecuted. Repulsive killers always seek to destroy all the evidence and "leave no stone unturned". Fortunately, there is a very clear trail of evidence right back to Kate and Gerry McCann.


Viv x

southerncross said...

Viv, thank you so much for clarifying that matter!So strange how one tends to rely on "expert" opinion when in fact,there might be another explanation as well.
Atardi,in my humble opinion, it would not reflect anything positive if the tapas lot refuse to cooperate in any shape or form-openly prophesised by the pink one that the frieds are MORE than willing to clear any misunderstandings

mtoosad said...

Thank s Viv for the explanation ,now I feel more relieved

leigh3 said...

Night night Felicity.
May it be so. Justice for Maddie, and every child, however long it takes.
xo
Leigh3

Ta ra Atardi. See you next time...

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Hi I missed that post but it is not fair when people are not around (then that is why they do it) Just been on the phone for far to long with my friend who did the exchange with the girl from Holland (The Dutch) as she calls her family I was complainig that I feel hopeless as your Englsih is so good and she pointed out her friend can speak English French and German now I feel worse LOL...

I must go back and do Spanish again it will be a start xxx

docmac said...

Hi Leigh

Yes, the revelations from Jersey bring some pretty horrific images to mind. The pictures from the third underground chamber are quite chilling. It seems that some past complaints may have been ignored. What an indictment of the authorities involved. This case is going to drag on just like another more recent one, of that I'm sure.

I'm sure you might have noticed the 'subtly' different slant put on this by the 'other side' as compared to Casa Pia in Portugal. When they comment on the Portuguese case it's all about rampant paedophilia etc. When they mention this case it's 'poor, poor kids'.

felicity said...

Nite Nite Leigh and great to read you

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND ALL ABUSED LITTLE CHILDREN


Viv xxxxxx

southerncross said...

Docmac,my alterego(as supertroll believes this is the case)

I know we all share a passion for the rights of children.This was quite ovious to me from starting to read Viv's blog. I think we all share ONE common purpose,to see justice for Maddie.
Whether it be Casa Pia, Jersey or Gert van Rooyen et al, these poor little souls deserve justice.

Re ons vorige gesels, ek het 'n baba verloor weens neonatale pneumonie.Ek het 5 jaar voor my ondervinding, my M-verhandeling gedoen oor die sielkundige implikasies van SIDS op die moeder.Nie heeltenal dieselfde,maar was nogal ironies dat akademiese navorsing met gepaardgaande psigometrie nie rerig die fenomeen kan beskryf

felicity said...

Hiya ~Doc

What a meaningless and pointless existence for these pro-McCanns and how they interpret events. As you say child abuse in Portugal according to their wisdom is all about wicked paedophilic adults but given a very similar set of circumstaneces in the UK, again they just cannot bear to denounce the perpetrators, it then becomes poor poor children. Pity they cannot demonstrate the same concern for Portuguese children...

A perfect image of meaningless existence is provided by the ancient myth of Sisyphus. Here Sisyphus is condemned to roll a rock to the top of a hill, only to see it roll back to the bottom, then to be rolled again to the top, whereupon it again rolls back to the bottom - and so on, endlessly, through all eternity.

Perfect analogy I think!

Viv x

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

Please I'm so ashamed of my English (written) that I sometimes think that people on here might think I'm a troll. (lol)

To speak English is different from writing.

Have you been studying Spanish too?

Pues podemos hablar un poco en español?


Yesterday I read you were very good in mathematics?

You can't have it all.

Football was cancelled yesterday also because it was storming here in Holland.

Maybe your friend can learn you some Dutch words.

leigh3 said...

Night to you too, Docmac.

Yes, I agree with you that the McCann Machine spins out a line: Portugal paedophiles; McCann and missing UK kids = 'poor' kids, how sad, loads of kisses from Rosiepops, the hired Madame of the girl gang supplicants - lying in every sense before their adored master.

Much like the apologists in Jersey who covered up, excused, apologised for all the 'established' names involved who were also served by sycophants from the lower orders.

Feudalism. It lives on. Children are sacrificed because of it, I think.

Night, Doc. May the S.A. sun shine on you and yours.
xo
Leigh3

Atardi said...

Leigh3,

Goodnight.

I'll be here also untill justice is done for Madeleine.

alsabella said...

Docmac

That is because they are very prejudice and have a warped - and misplaced - sense of superiority.

Oh well...let them keep burying their head in the sand...all they are doing is exposing their behinds...

hope4truth said...

Hola Atardi

LOL your English is excelent dont doubt yourself...

I have very limited Spanish but have been to some classes and cant write it at all (well a bit)..

I think she does know some Dutch but her friend is so fluent in English she does not need to try..

We are so lazy in this country as so many people speak English most of us dont bother to learn which is wrong...

I know a little German but again not enough to say what I need to...

If I try to speak in spanish I am afraid I would loose you completly and probebly order squid on toast or something daft LOL...

I like numbers and Maths is something I am good at I will demonstrate ...... 2 + 2 = 4... Bet that impresed you LOL

Adios Amiga

docmac said...

Southerncross

Weereens, so jammer. You know we have had a wonder drug for the treatment of prem neonatal breathing problems for close to 20 years now and the outcomes have improved markedly. Longonsteking in pasgeborenes bly 'n groot probleem, veral met die nuwe 'superbugs' wat deesdae rond dwaal. We are very lucky that this problem is not as prevalent here as elsewhere (yet).

I'm quite certain that you coped better than most mums who lose a child, though I have never known that despair and probably could not even imagine how it felt.

Gert was a sod, but the scale of the Jersey case puts him in the shade. I hope he is still turning in his grave.

felicity said...

Hiya ~Atardi

I am delighted to hear you are going to stay the course until we do get Justice for the dear little one. I am sure we are going to get some very good news on that front soon with the arrival of the PJ as the investigative process draws to a conclusion. There will then be a further review by the Judge and UK authorities to draw up appropriate charges.

Hi Alsabella

I know from my former work with offenders that personality disordered people have serious, multiple prejudices, the racist attitudes displayed being typical of this and a wish generally to perpetuate xeonophobia in line with BNP thinking in the UK - a vile organisation where these people can huddle together and slaver over how "superior" they are to "foreigners". Only people possessed of such divine ignorance could believe they are superior in any way shape or form. The lack of empathy demonstrated to Portuguese children is utterly abhorrent to decent people with normal moral values and empathy for others no matter how different they may be in their values and culture. They do not have the perception to understand they may learn something from other cultures. I believe there is a fundamental thing British people can learn from Portugal and many other continental countries - that children are just as important as adults and should never be dumped in bed and left alone - they should always be included in family meal times, holiday activities etc.

Viv x xxxxx

Atardi said...

Hola hope4truth,

Well you have impressed me!

You really made me laugh again. Please don't order anything in Spanish.

It's nice to know a bit German. At least you will be able to recognize a foreign language like the sollicitor in Dorset.

It's nice to see that there are so much people from different countries on this blog.

Let's keep it this way.

Hasta luego.

felicity said...

Hiya Atardi

Yes I want to keep it truly multi-cultural - a wonderful and inspirational thing to get diverse thinking and viewpoints from kind people which are all welcome from all corners of the globe!

Viv x

leigh3 said...

Anonymouse.
You are so predictable.
Here's some cheese. Fetch!

Do share it with the King Rat.

As for the 'couple who are going through such despair'...would that be Maxine Carr and Ian Huntley?

Louise said...

Leigh3
You are so funny! just becuse somebody has an opinion that differs from your own they are either team McCann or part of the girly gang as you call them. You have such tunnel vision I find it really amusing.

I am entitled to express my opinion when and wherever I wish,
freedom of speech as 2345 was just quoting. So remember that. Also remember innocent until proven guilty.

We all want justice for Madeline and abused children, nobody, including you Leigh or the other "antis" have a monopoly on this. Different opinion does not mean I advocate child neglect/abuse. It means I will not condem people until I know the facts, not speculation and leaked information from police who have mishandled this case from the start.
"open mind, clenched fist"

hope4truth said...

Viv

There is never an excuse for racism I hate it. The BNP are all tough little people that have failed in their own lives and have to blame it on people not from the same country as them (they will never accept they are just loosers) it has to be someone elses fault...

One thing I would like to see as a result of this terrible case is no parent leaving a child for any reason...

But to be honest the people I know would never do this and see a family holiday as just that a time to be together and have fun with children at the top of the agenda...

I am off to bed been a long day with Breakfast in bed far to early (but fun) and a very late night here last night...

See you all tomorrow xxx

Anonymous said...

Atardi,

porque escribes en este vil blog donde la gente no hace nada mas que atacar a dos personas que han perdido a su hija?

Aqui no hay respuestas, solo ataques cobardes por parte de gente que esta loca hacia personas no se pueden defender. Las personas deberian ser juzgadas acorde con la ley, no aqui.

Sinceramente a mi me daria mucha verguenza formar parte de este blog.

leigh3 said...

Louise!
Every time you write, you don't right.
Your cliches have been read everywhere that the McCann Machine manipulates - with public money, by the way. Proud to be part of a scam, are you?

22.57GMT

hope4truth said...

Hola Atardi

I am off to bed shame about the football the weather here has been windy today...

Buonas Noches pozo del sueño xxx

PS I cheated and got the pozo del sueño (goodnight sleep well) from a dictionary xxx

hope4truth said...

Hey even Anon is at it now but we dont compromise this blog at all....

NIght All x

leigh3 said...

And finally...

Now that tonight's scammers have arrived, Louise and Anonymouse, it's best for sane posters to rest happily, knowing that the McCann Machine is so predictable, and busted.
Happy posting girly gang! See you another time, unfortunately for you...

docmac said...

Goodnight Leigh, sleep well.

Alsabella and Viv I can not add to what you both said.

Anon, I despair for every child I have ever 'lost', but I have never been the parent of any of them. Show me where I am piling the abuse on the McCanns. You, just like your mates, are prone to imparting partial truths. I very rarely mention the McCanns.

I have apparently been 'rumbled' as a liar and a fantasist by your lot too. As I heard it I made a couple of 'slips'. Well ask your mates to show me where, because all the proof you people ever need is one of your number saying 'he made a slip' and it then becomes a 'fact'. There are quite a few on here who know who I really am, so you are the one in 'depair'.

You want the truth? I'll give it to you, but then 3 of your heroes are going to jail and another will have a suspended sentence and criminal record hanging about their neck.

Anonymous said...

Hi and bye all...

...looks like I missed the fun and games last night, then!

I am off to bed now as I have had a stinking head cold for the whole weekend, but I have not deserted you Viv, I will still be around posting until the bitter end.

I watched Little Shop of Horrors today with the kids and the mad dentist in it kept making me think of Mark 14......

Goodnight all

rat 23:03 GMT

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS, WHETHER THEY ARE NAMED OR ANONYMOUS!

Atardi said...

hope4truth,

I didn't mind about the cancelling. Because I call myself a football widow on saturday.

But she was selling tulips on friday
for her club.

Duerme bien.

See you tomorrow.

Louise said...

Leigh
You seem to be obsessed with money and the fund. It always comes up in your posts. The money is secondary to Madeline missing.

Remember, my opinion and nothing you bark at me from behind a computer screen will change it. Not insults, accusations or bullying.

Anonymous said...

Atardi,
Per que escrius en aquest vil blog on sa gent no fa res mes que atacar a dues persones que han perdut a sa seva filla?

Aqui no hi ha respostes, no mes atacs per part the gent que esta loca dirigits a dues persones que no es poden defendre. Les persones deurien esser jutjades d'acord amb sa llei, no aqui.

Sincerament a mi em donaria molta vergonya esser part d'aquest blog.

Atardi said...

Viv,

Nice to see you again.

Hope I didn't cause you too much problems yesterday because I kept posting. I just wanted to stop it.

I sent a mail yesterday but I just read that the f must be capital

I will stay here on this muli-cultural site untill justice is done to Madeleine.

southerncross said...

Docmac

I am glad about progress in the paediatric field which may save many lives in the future :} I coped(dis die lewe) and that helps me to help others as well

Viv,I must admit I feel much better after reading your explanation of the state and rights of witnesses re the rogatory letter.

Anonymous said...

Docmac, you asked me to show you when you pile the abuse on them and I can:

You have just done it in your last sentence.

PS do you know Dr Chris Hugo Hamman?

I have a personal interest in paediatric cardiology. I think he is a great man. Have you two met?

leigh3 said...

Ratty.
I'm trying to take your advice: do not feed trolls, but sometimes a bit of cheese for anonymouse and the King Rat is amusing :-)

Oops. Am imperfect. Doh! The human condition...

Am really off to the happy land of nod now.

See y'all next time.
xo

Anonymous said...

Doc's gone quiet!!

Anonymous said...

OH to you lovely caring mothers out there have a lovely whats left of motheringsunday x

Atardi said...

Atardi,

porque escribes en este vil blog donde la gente no hace nada mas que atacar a dos personas que han perdido a su hija?
Translation:

Why do you write on this vile blog where peopledon't do anything else then attack 2 persons who lost their child.

Aqui no hay respuestas, solo ataques cobardes por parte de gente que esta loca hacia personas no se pueden defender. Las personas deberian ser juzgadas acorde con la ley, no aqui.

Translation: There are no answers here, only coward attacks from people to persons who can't defend themselves. These people must be judged by the law, not here.


Sinceramente a mi me daria mucha verguenza formar parte de este blog.

Sincerely I would be ashamed to be a part of this blog.

Sunday, March 2, 2008 2:56:00 PM PST

Anonymous said...

Doc is still quiet!!

leigh3 said...

Louise!

At least learn to spell the girl's name: it's Madeleine, by the way or Madeleine Beth McCann.

Sheesh. Your paymasters are not getting their tuppence money's worth from you.

Madeleine, Maddie or Maddy.

Look and learn, and spell it right next time before you feebly attempt to take the moral high ground when we all know you lot like to bury the truth - and stories, eh Clarry?

Pity Madeleine Beth McCann has been deprived of a Christian burial so far, despite her parents' 'convenient Catholicism'.

Louise: get a proper job or a conscience. That's my last generosity to the likes of you.
Night night. Take the advice if you have half a wit.

felicity said...

Hi Atardi

I was very grateful that you kept posting last night - that much have taken great strength and determination. I felt physically sick when I started to read that stuff - I really just could not believe it.

Just had a quick look at Rosie's blog - they are having a post mortem all seeking to deny involvement and falling out with each other! Funny how guilty people always protest the loudest. Mum 21 is blaming Assasin for posts getting reproduced here - if they dont think they are fit to have been written then I wonder why they write them. Rosie has started calling me Viv instead of Vile!

Viv x

Atardi said...

My last post was a translation of the anonymous post to me.

It's also in portuguese.

docmac said...

Anon

I was reading soccer news. Yes Chris was at Red Cross War Memorial Children's Hospital as a Cardiology registrar when I was a Medical Officer there. He was also a semi-decent rugby player. Maybe you remember Harold Pribut too .Get off my back troll, I just caught you out! Hahaha! What a small world.

Anonymous said...

Docmac
How did you catch ME out?

Atardi
The last post was not in portuguese, try again.

Anonymous said...

Docmac,
maybe towards you he was, but not towards his patients.

Atardi said...

I think it was a Google attempt to a roman language like the spanish one.

alsabella said...

Atardi,

That anonymous poster did not post in Portuguese. It is more like Spanish.

Louise said...

Leigh
Thanks for pinting that out, yes I will spell properly next time, very
remiss of me.
Goodnight, sleep well.

P.S
Try to relax and rid yourself of all that aggression towards a mother and father who are unable to answer all your ludicrous accusations.

Atardi said...

Alsabella,

The first one was Spanish, the second one (i looked to it again) is something between French and Italian.

I translated the "Spanish" one.

Anonymous said...

M'agrada molt veure a sa gent intentant comprendre aquest llenguatge.

D'aquesta manera no estan criticant covardment a uns pobres pares que han perdut a sa seva filla.

Crec que fins ara, parlare sempre en aquest llenguatge.

Bona sort a tothom amb ses traduccions

docmac said...

Anon

I caught you out because you and your friends do not believe I have ever been to Cape Town, never mind that I actually live here and have actually worked with someone you know (or are). What a laugh. What a faux pas! My wife actually has dealings with Harold on a regular basis. OK, you've got me! Do you work at Glenfield's now?

Anonymous said...

Huy, ho sento molt, no volia dir fins ara, lo correcte es 'desde ara'

Anonymous said...

Docmac,
I do not know Harold and I am not interested in having a conversation with you anymore. I just asked you if you knew Chris and I got what I wanted.
Thank you and goodbye

leigh3 said...

Hiya Doc,
I should have left a while ago, but the hilarious antics of the desperate McCann Machine are bizarre; too bad/good to miss sometimes :-) Weird people, they are.

Their stalking of you is bizarre, and weird. Their posters names used to be flowery girly names on the DE, and now they have anonymouse and louise.

One is violently abusive; the other one can't spell or write coherently.

Weird people, the McCann Machine.

The GMC is aware of their antics, by the way.

felicity said...

Lol Doc - do you work at Glenfields now?

You really scare them - think he has gone off in a sulk now - wonder if he ripped his microphone off - maybe he does not know where it is! How frustrating..


Viv x

docmac said...

Leigh and Viv

Lol! I actually worked with that Hugo Hamman guy. He refused to teach me how to do a cardiac cath as he felt he was so high and mighty. The other one mentioned did though, albeit reluctantly. They have a chip on their shoulders these cardiologists (well, most of them anyway). Not as bad as heart surgeons but still not the nicest ice lollies in the freezer. Well, how is it going to report that astounding finding on the other blog(s) now?

I need sleep and I am going to do so with a smile on my face.

Sleep well all, even you Chris!

leigh3 said...

Felicity:
Forgive me, but the following post is so bad/good that it deserves to be posted twice, I think :-) It's typical McCann Machine spinning into oblivion; this time called 'louise' (see my last post to her; she couldn't even spell Maddie's name), but responds as follows:-

"Leigh
Thanks for pinting that out, yes I will spell properly next time, very
remiss of me.
Goodnight, sleep well.

P.S
Try to relax and rid yourself of all that aggression towards a mother and father who are unable to answer all your ludicrous accusations.

Sunday, March 2, 2008 3:40:00 PM PST

'...thanks for PINTING that out...' writes louise/it/McCann mechanics.

I hope littlegreycell sees this. Fact is stranger than fiction, and worthy of a comic writer's attention :-)

Ta ra for now, Felicity. We must see the irony and comedy in this tragedy, imo....while we wait for Justice for Maddie, and every child, however long it takes.

xo

Louise said...

Leigh,
Before you get all axcited again yes I put a K instead of L.
Do you never make a mistake?

leigh3 said...

Doh! 00.13GMT.

By the way: I can forgive bad spelling by good people. We all do that sometimes. I dislike good spelling by bad people who use words as weapons to deceive.

Night all.
xo

leigh3 said...

Louise.
Your last posts make me feel very compassionate for you.

G.M.C. is the General Medical Council in the United Kingdom (the U.K.).

Louise, I hope you find a cause which deserves your attention. The McCanns have plenty of servants. You have one life, and children do need your commitment.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Good night. Sleep well.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight everyone,

See you all tomorrow.
Obviously I will not be passing Docmacs thoughts on to Chris next time I see him.

Anonymous said...

Viv

Just to let you know that in case you haven't taken a copy of what was written on your blog last night. I did, and I intend to report them to the police first thing Monday morning as a matter of urgency.
I want the 'true' culprit that did this caught and exposed and I will also send a copy to Google.

Anonymous said...

He such a nice doctor and all...

alsabella said...

Atardi

It seems like some sort of latin...but may simply be a combination of different things this person has picked up, who knows...but it is absolutely easy to understand for anyone that speaks Romance languages....

felicity said...

Anon, I do not know who you are but thanks for your support and trouble to do this.

Every single post that goes on this blog also goes into a special email programme. So I have the lot from inception - including all the ones it has been necessary to delete.

I also have a filth file of all the vile stuff Rosie etc wrote about me on the Daily Express - must be the lawyer in me taught me to keep records!

Cheers
Viv

Niki said...

Missing Madeleine
What really happened the night little Madeleine McCann vanished?

By Dennis Murphy
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:55 p.m. ET March 2, 2008

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23436596/

and a video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23438431#23438431

---
No breaking news, but recomend to have a read.

------------

Alsabella and Atardi, Hi!
Think the language Anon is writing is esperanto.

Have a nice day!
Niki

Anonymous said...

IMHO you should all take a good look at yourselves. Why are you doing this?..........You are all SICK suffering OCD at the very least
What dignity & respect do you give Madeleine?...........by abusing her parents...NONE.
What good are you doing.......None

Leave the PJ to solve the case and bring charges based on evidence that they may have........You know nothing & can only do more harm than good

IF you have any dignity and self respect you will remove this blog from the internet and do something useful..........there are plenty of practical ways to help others in society be they children or older people..........Please do something that will actually make a difference

2345 said...

Atardi,

thanks, I did read the article you posted on 'sniffer dogs'. I posted one a few days back on Eddie & Keela's profile - 200% success rate in over 200 cases - also used by the FBI. Methods of training for cadaver work is not divulged by their trainer. I now understand the difference between their 'nasal' structure and abilities compared to humans. We have around 5 million nose/brain receptors, Eddie & Keela have around 200 million. Fascinating - we've kept working dogs and have always loved and respected their unique gift of a good 'nose'.
9.50 a.m.

2345 said...

Atardi,

Sorry, typo - should read 100% success rate in over 200 cases.
100 a.m.

2345 said...

Anonymous,

The same applies to you as a regular commentator !!! 10.10 a.m.

Anonymous said...

2345,
in response to your comment, I'm am not a regular commentator.....this was my first post on this blog........this will be my last..........I have been researching OCD behaviour on internet blogs.

Anonymous said...

Good Morning Viv,

The attacks last night just show that this site hits the nail on the head a lot of the time. Last nights reaction unpleasant as it was should be viewed as a compliment if only a backhanded one - it clearly indicates this site is getting too close for some people’s comfort.

Best wishes Wizard

2345 said...

Anonymous,

As OCD isn't applicable, try researching psychosis and pathology in relation forensics and evidence.

British Police released the following FSS information for public broadcast on BBC 6 o'clock news - after it's presentation to the McCanns and their status 'arguidos' being applied:

"An early forensic report is alleged to have mentioned a certain blood spray ... commensurate with a certain type of broken larynx .. some DNA samples found related to cerebal fluids indicates a broken neck or fractured skull". Also "Sousa himself told of this very fine mist of spray that was found in the apartment." 11.15 a.m.

2345 said...

wizard/Viv,

I second that.

"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber".
Sir Winston Churchill
(1874 - 1965).

PJ eagles are shortly descending ... their silence has been lengthy.

Pink shirted parrot has become silent. 11.20 a.m.

Atardi said...

I thought there was a news blackout.
But found this:

'Less faith in Maddie cops'

By STAFF REPORTER

Published: Today
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A PORTUGUESE newspaper poll has showed that LESS people have faith in the police probe into Madeleine McCann's disappearance while more believe Gerry and Kate are innocent.

In a survey by Correio da Manha, 60.4 per cent of people believe the investigation has been carried out well - a drop of around 30 per cent since last year.

Of those surveyed, 11.9 per cent said the Portuguese police were doing 'so-so', while 16.7 per cent said that they had done a bad job and 11 per cent did not have an opinion.

Polls carried out in May of last year showed that 90.3 per cent thought the police had done a good job, and only 2.1 per cent thought they had not.

And on a scale of 1 to 100, the poll showed the police in Portugal were rated an average of 94.1 in May, 81.6 in September falling to 74.2 at present.

Correio da Manha also claims that 38.6 per cent of those surveyed in an opionion poll believe Kate and Gerry are responsible for the "disappearance of Maddie's body."

However, 30.7 per cent believe that Madeleine's parents had nothing to do with it, and another 30.7 per cent did not have an opinion.

The same question was asked in September 2007, when 39.9 per cent considered the McCanns to be guilty, while 26.8 per cent said they were innocent and 33.2 per cent did not know.

alsabella said...

Atardi

I read that report in the Correio da Manha. It was a newspaper poll taken by telephone randomly.

Atardi said...

Alsabella,

It would be interesting to know when the poll was taken. I suppose during the time that people thought that there would be no Justice for Madeleine because of the letters being rejected.

Still the mayority have faith in the police and the mayority think that the parents have something to do with it.

Louise said...

Anon
Totally agree this can be a very nasty blog. Yes perhaps contributors would find satisfaction if they did something more productive with their time, instead of slating two people who they know are uable to answer for themselves. I think that is probably the attraction they are making themselves feel better by doing this, something lacking in their lives.
I do not post often on here and will do so less in the future, its actually very depressing, and I am usually a very cheerful person with an optimistic outlook, but I am feeling degraded by association with the contributors to this blog.
No compassion here for a family and the loss of a beautiful daughter, just the same old trite accusations, all based on misinformation.

alsabella said...

Atardi

To be perfectly honest with you, I think the majority of the Portuguese people at this point are just fed up with this story and with the attitude of the McCanns and the British press. Let us see what happens after the publication of former inspector Paulo Cristovão Pereira's book!

2345 said...

Louise/Anon,

Toddle off then ... why stay and complain ? Very negative attitude.
2.00 p.m.

2345 said...

Atardi,

The so called report of Portuguese opinion is best taken with a pinch of salt. Another unsubstantiated desperate effort of Clarrie's.

The last poll conducted by DE it reported over 75% of 20,000 comments supported the Police. In real terms close to 100% after deducting ratio of McCann relatives paid commentators - keyboard monkeys. Interestly, DM Forum was closed soon afterwards and the DE cull of Police supporters began. 2.30 p.m.

Atardi said...

Alsabella,

Had to pick up one kid from school.

When will the book be published?

Who isn't fed up with the behaviour of the McCanns and the British press?

Atardi said...

2345,

Of course it's an effort to influence
the British people.

Must go to swimming lessons with my son.

dolores said...

Louise,
I agree there have been some very nasty,twisted 'anonymous' posters, invading a blog which is seeking justice for Madeleine,all of us here have unrelenting compassion for Madeleine not her so called parents.
Why do you think we are adamant in getting justice for Madeleine?It seems you do not care about justice for her, only her parents,who are the cause for whatever happened to an innocent child who trusted her parents to care for her.
I am sure you can find another blog to post on, if this is making you depressed,who will share your compassion for the two people who did not care for their children's human rights by neglecting them night after night,and were not there to keep them safe and free from harm..

hope4truth said...

Louise

I am sorry you feel the way you do about this blog as it obviosly gets you down I feel the same way about the other blog which like the DX is about patting each other on the head for really having a go at someone who does not share yor view it is simple I dont read it...

The McCanns may well have done nothing more than left their children alone in a strange room in a strange country while out for dinner with their neglctful friends. They have to live with what they did and they have both justified what they did Gerry by saying it was like having dinner in your garden (rubbish and even if it was you would not leave the front of the house unlocked with children asleep upstairs and you were out the back in case someone came in or the children wandered out when you could not see them) and Kate has confirmed she forgave herself after a few days as she is a good Mum.

I dont want them to beat themselves up or beg for forgivness or make thier lives any worse but Madeleine a 3 year old child is missing because they neglected her and to think what hell she is or was going through is heart breaking.

Now if I had been selfish like they had I would be shouting from the roof tops about how wrong it was and dont ever think it is safe to do this but from day one they needed to make it clear they were the victims and it was something we all do...

Well we dont it is wrong it is against the law and if you have any common sense (and as Dr's they should have that in spades) it is dangerous.

If something else happend and they covered it up again they are thinking of themselves no one else certainly not their 3 year old Daughter.

Gerry's blog is about them Madeleine is mentioned in passing do you really care how fast you jogged somewhre when your child is missing?

I admire you for posting with your name and your opinions are important that is what a debate is. Here it is hard to debate as we all agree some have theorys some of us are unsure but we all care about children and think what happend to Madeleine was wrong.

If she came home tomorrow happy and well I would be delighted to be proved wrong about her parents I would still think they were selfish people and hope they would never be so stupid again but the only thing that matters is Madeleine.

If my daughter was taken I would not care what people thought of me I would be on Auto Pilot praying for some news.

You dont leave your passport and cash in an unlocked apartment in case you are burgled so why leave three small children alone?

And your coment "I think that is probably the attraction they are making themselves feel better by doing this, something lacking in their lives." is rubbish I have a fantastic life thanks and two beautull daughters... I could say the only reason people defend them is because they dont care about children and neglect their own. That would be wrong as ususally I am the one defending people and feeling sorry for parents of missing children but in this case soemthing is not right.

I am not saying go away you have every right to be here but I wont read the other blog as I find some of the posters depressing and I really dont need or care about what they post so dont waste my time...

irina said...

Hello everyone,

I always suspected that delay in the case was brought up not because Gov. was so interested to get them off the hook, but because Gov. people get soaked into it somehow. There are number of officials on interrogation list.

Here is a quote from a post on Gazetadigital blog:


A former journalist with the Daily Mirror, Sheree Dodd worked as responsible for communication for various government services from the United Kingdom. She regularly works for the central information office as an independent expert.

In the disappearance of Madeleine, and after nine days of work in Praia da Luz, Sheree Dodd had raised several issues deemed sensitive by the Foreign Office, was replaced immediately by Clarence Mitchell.

The name of Sheree Dodd is part of a list of witnesses in the trial Madeleine McCann.


Wonder which comments of hers Gov. did not like?

felicity said...

Hiya Hope 4 and Dolores

Just wanted to say what great posts. We do not go on their blogs demanding they stop them or subject them to sustained abusive attack. The arrogance of these people is breathtaking.

Wizard - thanks - yes in a way it is a ocmpliment. If they did not consider I had powerful arguments and attracted a lot of people with similar eloquent insight and views - they would not need to bother to keep coming here with their futile abuse and aggression.

Louise - no one asks you to come here - it is about freedom of speech and the righ to choose. I suggest you stay on Rosiepops blog and you can join the orgy of calling me vile etc. I am sure you will be less depressed then.

Viv x

felicity said...

Hi Irina - that is an intuitive viewpoint - that certain officials got removed from their posts because they became witnesses in this matter...for the prosecution. It makes a lot of sense to me. When Clarence Mitchell got so into the McCanns and the money he could make - he got removed from his post!

Viv x

2345 said...

Felicity/Irina,

A 3A's member with connections to Government staff reported Clarence was removed from his post for alerting the McCanns to their Police surveillance. Home Office always approves such measures.

Nothing would surprise me with the shower jumping to Gerry's beck and call. 4.30 p.m.

2345 said...

irina,

Sheree Dodd - thread on 3 A's yesterday - is now working as a Government advisor. Heated debate as a result !! 4.35 p.m.

Di said...

Hope4truth/Irina

Just looking in..

Both your earlier posts were excellent..

felicity said...

Hi 2345

Yes I recall hearing Clarence Mitchell did abuse his confidential government role by warning the McCanns about bugging and surveillance including of email which he clearly knows a lot about. Clearly anyone who works at high level in government and cannot even keep their mouth shut is going to get the push! He went very rapidly and suddenly didn't he!

Viv x

2345 said...

Felicity,

Yes, but despite this Home Office flatly denied in an e-mail reply to a commentator's concern, that they dealt with Rogatory Letters.
They said it was the Foreign Office who, in turn, declined to comment. This confirms Gordon Brown is still giving orders to ministers and they are lying whilst
intervening and delaying Police procedures.

On reflection, the long delayed forensic results are, likewise, explained. Spin, lies, spin, lies, hubble bubble toil and trouble. It's Police versus the political witches coven isn't it ??

Writers with an eye to the main chance will have a field day with this shower after the case is done and dusted. 7.05 p.m.

Atardi said...

Hope4truth,Dolores and 2345

Excellent posts to Louise/Anon.

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Is that language Esperanto that the anonymous posters keep using.? Not that it matters but just thought looks a bit like it, its not Latin as studied that in school.Lizzy 19.50

leigh3 said...

Good Evening All; Hi Felicity :-)

2345: Like you, I put my faith in the police, and other agencies objectively pursuing the facts, and figures, not the fantasies of Gerry's girl gang. Hi Clarry.

Dolores of the pink rose and Hope4: excellent defence of children's rights, and free speech, made by you. Thank you.

IRINA: yes. UK Government has problems with early involvement, and extricating itself from future scandal when certain civil servants, privy to unpublished detail, are finally given their day/s in court, and allowed to say what they heard and saw - regardless of whether they appear for defence or prosecuting Counsel.

Wizard: delighted to see you post here. Perseverance in pursuit of facts.

Best wishes all. Justice for Maddie, and all children - our aim, and our deepest hope. May it be so.
Leigh3
xo

felicity said...

Hiya 2345

I don't think I could so confidently state the government have refused to deal with rogatory letters. It may there are issues involving both the Foreign and Home Office. I am sure that is right - the diplomatic side and dealing with the Portuguese, maintaining cordial relations etc would be within the remit of the Foreign Office whereas purerly legal issues concerning the proper administration of justice/international crime etc would come within the remit of the Home Office, I believe.

I think there were two conflicting issues going on here. At the very outset the government had to deal with the McCanns in a case where either they were victims of a tragic child snatch or they were UK offenders abroad. Either way they would have been entitled to consular and legal assistance. WE sent out UK police officers immediately and it would seem this was more than police liaison officers who purely support parents in the Jessica /Holly type of situation. Very senior UK detectives also went immediately and I think at the highest government level there was an obvious awareness the McCanns may have killed Madeleine. Gordon Brown had telephone conversations with Gerry McCann. There are three ways of looking at this. Firstly, he was entirely misled and believed they were innocent. I would rule that out straight away. Gordon Brown is gifted with far more than average intelligence and has a lifetime in politics. Then there is the suggestion there were family/nuclear connections so he was dishonestly seeking to protect a couple of child killers - again I would say what a bizarre suggestion. Finally there is the suggestion that Mr Brown was always properly briefed and fully aware when speaking to Gerry McCann that he was a suspect. Mr Brown would no doubt feel it helpful to hear what he had to say...The government will always be highly secretive about a serious criminal investigation. Because of this people go into bizarre plot mode. I think there probably has been a lot of high level political involvement in this case because of Gordon Brown speaking to Gerry McCann - in an attempt to protect him from any fall out from this. I dont think it was a wise thing for Gordon Brown to have done but if I had been him I would probably have wanted to speak to Gerry McCann and would have done just the same. I would have wanted to form a view and then make sure the matter was dealt with appropriately. It was only last September when Kte and Gerry McCann were named arguidos and ten months altogether. IN terms of such a hugely complex investigation spanning probably several jurisdictions this is a very short period of time. WE are impatient for action, but need to be patient and trust the integrity of Gordon Brown. It is not credible IMO that he would actually do anything to prevent these two being brought to justice. They are child abusing criminals and deserve to be treated that way. I do not believe Gordon Brown would see this as anything at all to do with class or more accurately position in life because I do not actually accept that Kate and Gerry McCann do present as typically middle class, far more working class in line with their upbringing.


Viv x

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I remember reading a post that the first diplomat sent to the Mccanns aid voiced her doubts about them, asking if they were sure they wanted to be publically backing the Mccanns as she had found there were inconsistancies in their accounts of the evening in question.I am not sure if it was Sheree Dodd, following this she was removed and replaced in her position.Does anybody recall this? Lizzy 19.55

Atardi said...

Lizzy,

I remember the same.I think itwas Ironside who posted about Sheree Dodd
during the time DE wanted people to have their say.

Actually I read this article last week about her:

Speaker gets new spin doctor


This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Friday February 29 2008. It was last updated at 18:27 on February 29 2008.

A Whitehall spin doctor who was a spokeswoman for Madeleine McCann's parents has been hired to help the Commons Speaker, Michael Martin, deal with the media, it was announced today.

Sheree Dodd is an experienced communications expert who worked for John Prescott at the time it was revealed he was having an affair with his diary secretary.

Dodd will replace Mike Granatt, who resigned as the Speaker's spokesman last weekend after complaining that he had been misled about taxi trips taken by the Speaker's wife. Granatt subsequently passed on the information to journalists.

The Speaker has faced a barrage of press criticism recently. One of Dodd's tasks will be to try to improve his reputation.

Dodd, a former Daily Mirror journalist, has worked as head of communications for various Whitehall government departments. She works freelance for the Central Office of Information when it requires temporary senior press officers with a civil service background.

Last year, on behalf of the Foreign Office, she worked for the McCanns for nine days, before being replaced by Clarence Mitchell.

She has been appointed as an interim media adviser to the House of Commons Commission, which is chaired by the Speaker. She will also deal with inquiries directly relating to him.

When Granatt resigned he stressed that the Speaker was not the person who gave him the misleading information that was subsequently passed on to journalists.

Granatt, who worked through a consultancy, was paid £82,305 for working part time from May 2005. Dodd's pay and hours have not yet been negotiated.

Anonymous said...

Hi 2345

The Home Office and the Rogatory Letter.

On the 17th January I had a reply from the Home Office regarding the rogatory letters and they said quote ….
“The matters you have raised are the responsibility of Foreign &
Commonwealth Office.” “We have therefore transferred your e-mail to NM9@PSILINK.co.uk , who will arrange for a reply to be sent to you.”

The Foreign & Commonwealth Office did not reply.

On the 17th January, if what we read is to be believed the Home Office had returned the rogatory letters back to Portugal. Why were they denying ever seeing them and suggesting it was nothing to do with them and advising the public that the letters were under the jurisdiction of the Foreign Office?

This was obviously some kind of diversionary tactic to prevent people knowing exactly what was going on. By why such an obvious lie that can be seen as such quite clearly now.

Wizard

hope4truth said...

Evening All

Hope everyone had a good day I am on a mission to save the planet (one lighbulb at a time) and got up early and hung out my washing then it rained and my eco warrior ideals went out the window and in the tumble dryer...

I will switch the lights off and type in the dark to make up for it.

Intresting posts just reading back I do find it funny that other blogs say it is a sick place over here. Oh and the other chestnut no one posts here anymore (and when we do) we should get a life and stop the jealousy towards the McCanns???? Jealous of what exactly do the people who say that really wish they were in their position because no matter what I think about this horrible situation I would not wish what has happend to them on my worst enemy...

All very odd...

leigh3 said...

IMO: diplomatic relations with Portugal are more important than our 'little local difficulty', ie the McCanns, and their troublesome clan. Such people are tolerated, endured, to be 'managed' in the correct way - investigate, charge, and the Ship of State will sail away, as usual.

Portugal, our oldest ally, must be retained, and protected. Our apologies may or may not be acceptable to Portugal. We have wronged them terribly in this foolish initial support of the McCanns, against advice from British Consular staff last summer.

Cláudia said...

Olá, minha querida amiga Viv.
Have you noticed the increase in the panic level, lately? It's hilarious. I predicted this as soon as the news about the new book by Paulo Pereira Cristovão became public. The funny part is that they have no idea what follows. I can't wait.
Beijinhos!

leigh3 said...

Re: Atardi response to Lizzy.
Dodd now advising the Speaker, and formerly assisting the McCanns. Dodd, former Daily Mirror journalist. Daily Mirror supports Labour. Labour Govt is embarrassed by support it gave certain people, and needs 'damage limitation', imo.

The public paid the Speaker's consultant Granatt £82K+ part time?!!! Dodd's pay is undisclosed so far. The public - like those who gave to Find Maddie Fund -are paying a very heavy price for being kind and naiive, imo.

WIZARD: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office do give answers directly when it suits them, but they still talk cliche sh**te re: Madeleine Beth McCann because they must protect the Ship of State, no matter who drowns beneath its bows, imo.

Patience, perseverance, the good heart of public inquiry in every way - that is what we need now, imo. Whose country is this anyway? Whose Government is this?

Rhetorical questions, imo.

Atardi said...

Niki/Lizzy

We can expect more "esperanto" on Viv's blog.

Louise/Anon is delighted that people will take time to understand/translate this langauge so they don't have time to make comments about the poor parents who lost a child.

Anonymous said...

Evening all,

Our Mystery Meat language is meant to be Esperanto.

Esperanto is from the verb, "to hope".

And that's it, really.... hoping the PJ, and this blog, will give up and go away?

No bloody chance.

NO HOPE FOR TROLLS!

ratonthebenylin 20:43 GMT

felicity said...

Hiya Lizzie - yes the first government appointed liaison officer was Sheree Dodd and yes there was an actual document leaked in either French or Belgium press that a diplomat on the scene was deeply concerned about the McCanns lack of co-operation with the police and attitudes displayed causing concern they were involved. I do not know whether this was actually Sherree Dodd but her removal from post would fit with her being a prosecution witness as to the conduct of the McCanns. Of relevance here also is the initial involvement of the PR man Woolfall. He wrote in The Times that Kate was insisting Madeleine had probably just wandered off and had an accident or was safe in someone's house. This contrasts with the interview they gave within days to Jane HIll BBC where they both say they were immediately certain Madeleine had been abducted. Mr Woolfall may also be a prosecution witness. There can be no doubt the McCanns were telling some highly conflicting whoppers right from the outset. This would have obviously led any reasonably intelligent people to be quite sure of their involvement.

Thanks Irina - I think the fact that Sheree Dodd got replaced after only 9 days by Clarence Mitchell really stinks! I believe it is highly likely she was passing her concerns on to the government and would be able to provide vital evidence of the lies and inconsistency in the McCanns accounts in the early days, plus their bizarre behaviour, not even bothering to go out searching for Madeleine (as Kate admitted on that first BBC interview) and totally inconsistent with how parents in that situation would behave. Why did they hire a car 25 days later? What would you have done? Gone and hired a car immediately and started searching or timed how long it took you to job up a hill and then blog about it!! Would you have a publicity stunt on the beach just a few days later on Maddie's birthday?

Hi there Wizard - thanks for explaining the lack of a response you got to your enquiry. I think, at the end of the day, what we see is that we are every bit as secretive about what is going on in a serious investigation as the Portuguese. I have always tried to argue this. There are issues that members of the government simply wil not discuss with the public. The McCann enquiry has been like a game of cat and mouse - the government are not going to let the cat out of the bag and give the McCanns the slightest hint of what is going on. The Portuguese police did, IMO, quite deliberately leak information to the press. In early August they had the sniffer dog evidence - Cuddlecat reaked of eau de corpse etc. The police started briefing the press and also started bugging the McCanns to check out their frantic reactions - this is a legitimate way to obtain evidence and one frequently undertaken in the UK. Senior police officers will sometimes even appear on TV to make a specially selected statement or brief the media. Police forces have media relations officers for this specific purpose.

Hiya Hope - I think they desperately hope someone will turn the light off on us! No chance!
I am not reading their rubbish any longer - it is mostly about me and I know me far better than them!

Hiya Leigh - I agree our relations with Portugal are far more important to us than any wish to protect a couple of child abusing criminals! We probably could have handled things better - everyone can see their mistakes with the benefit of hindsight.


Hiya Claudia

Is it the book or the rogatory letters getting approved or both? but to say they are behaving in an hysterical way is something of an understatement!


Viv x

Atardi said...

Leigh3,

I can't comment on the British politicians because I don't know much
about them.

But I do really think that British people have the right to ask some questions about this complicated case.

leigh3 said...

Goedenovid Atardi.
See? I've tried to remember how to spell that without looking at what I wrote down when you explained it months ago...and I've probably spelt it wrong! I know you'll forgive me :-) Although, do tell if I got it right; I love being right off the cuff!

Re: UK politics, and people. Awkward questions honestly answered - that's what we need now. The public must insist and persist, imo, and the politicians will be forced to answer, in time.

Time tells all. Our relations with Portugal are precious; our initial, foolish support of the McCanns et al against wise advise of British Consular staff and others may be forgiven by the Portuguese IF we make amends; pursue the truth; prove that we value justice rather than justify our errors.
xo to you and yours, our Viking ancestor.

Anonymous said...

The language published was definitely NOT esperanto.
This is quite funny.
Prize for the one who guesses correctly. ;)

leigh3 said...

Ratonthebenylin.

Serious yet funny post from you, as usual :-)

Esperanto. My dear old Mum thought it was a good idea to unify nations with a common language.

However, she was sincere, unlike the trolls begging for the food of human compassion whilst they abuse and misuse humanity. That's not the spirit of esperanto, is it? Just thought I'd comment on your interesting post during this lull before the storm :-)

The world weird web. Sometimes, it's interesting. Ta for the reminder of esperanto and ...

I'LL TRY NOT TO FEED TROLLS!

Anonymous said...

Interlingua.

rat 21:31 GMT

southerncross said...

Good evening all
Atardi,I agree with your statement about not being able to comment on British politicians, but having lived my fortysomething years on this planet, there is an unfortunate collective aspect to ALL politicians-manipulate,spin,divert etc.Just my humble opinion.

It is up to us,the people to make a stand and fight for what we believe is the truth

Anonymous said...

not interlingua.

Anonymous said...

Quechua, hinallatapis!

rat 21:46 GMT

Atardi said...

Goedenavond Leigh3,

Great to read that you you are trying to welcome me in my language.

Yes i do think that people must insist and persist to get justice for Madeleine. And to keep the good relationship between countries alive.

That's why we are here.

I think most people all over the world supported the parents when this tragedy started. My kids wanted to donate money too. This was at the same time when I started to feel uncomfortable about the parents.

The click of the tongue in the Panorama documentary made me so sick.

I wish the parents will demand to delete this.

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