Morning all, on reading posts this morning I think it was Niki from Greece who flagged up this really useful article in aiding a gap in our understanding. I have always thought but never been certain that after giving £100,000 to the McCanns for legal advice, Mr Branson then withdrew his support. This article confirms that is indeed what happened and that others including Justice McGuiness also immediately withdrew on being made aware of the very serious police case against the McCanns. I think we should be considerining this now in terms of the McCanns attempts over recent months to either sue someone or sign up to a lucrative film or television deal. IMO the reasons for this were simple, to fund the legal costs they need to fight the very serious criminal charges they know full well they are going to have to face. This is how they seek to "find Madeleine".
Viv x
Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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Two millionaire businessmen who gave money to help find Madeleine McCann refused today to contribute to the legal fight to clear her parents' name.
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The couple's official spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, has also decided to step down, it emerged this afternoon. Exhaustion, and the McCanns' need for a PR adviser with more legal experience, are said to be behind her decision.
Madeleine McCann
Kate and Gerry McCann, 39, have hired top lawyers in Britain and Portugal after they were named official suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
Detectives believe Mrs McCann may have accidentally killed her daughter and relied on her husband to help cover up the crime. Although the couple insist the claims are baseless, the cost of trying to clear the "cloud of suspicion" is expected to run into tens of thousands of pounds.
Although the fighting fund set up to find Madeleine has raised more than £1 million, the trustees said the couple - who did not want to take the money anyway - would not be able to make use of the funds.
One entrepreneur, who refused to be named because of the delicate nature of the case, has given his backing in the past.
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But today he told the Evening Standard: "I am not going to contribute any more. It is a difficult issue and it is not something I propose to get engaged in.
"It is the most confusing scenario anybody has ever seen. I am not judge and jury and I hope what I am reading is wrong. I have not yet been approached [a second time] but I wouldn't put any money in.
"If they can turn the tide in some form maybe there will be loads of backers. But right now this does not look a good place to go."
A number of well known figures have publicly supported the McCanns including JK Rowling, Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson, Topshop owner Philip Green and EasyJet founder Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou.
A second wealthy businessman, who has given £100,000 to the fund, said: "We won't be pledging any more right now.
"I don't think that at the moment we would allow the money to be swapped to cover defence costs, but this is a difficult position and a very sensitive issue." The McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, returned to the UK on Sunday, 48 hours after being declared suspects by Portuguese police.
Ms McGuinness, the McCanns' spokeswoman, is expected to step down this weekend if a replacement can be found in time.
The Media Guardian website is reporting that the couple are looking for a "big hitter" to work as their full-time PR representative as the investigation into their daughter's disappearance enters a new phase.
Phil Hall, the former News of the World and Hello! editor, who has been acting as a consultant to the McCanns in recent months, is thought to be the leading contender.
Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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The world's leading expert in DNA cast doubt on a key facet of the alleged forensic evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann last night as he offered to act as an expert witness for the couple.
Sir Alec Jeffreys, who invented DNA fingerprinting, said a match did not necessarily demonstrate a person's guilt or innocence.
It follows claims that DNA samples matched to Madeleine had been found in her parents' hire car and holiday apartment. Sources said the traces were being treated by Portuguese detectives as strong evidence that Madeleine's body was placed in the car.
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However, Sir Alec told BBC's Newsnight programme: "There are no genetic characters in Madeleine that are not found in at least one other member of the family.
"So then you have an incomplete DNA profile that could raise a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of that family would have been in that car."
Sir Alec, 57, added: "DNA testing seeks to establish whether DNA sample A from a crime scene came or did not come from individual B.
"So if you get a match there's very strong evidence that it did come from B. It is then up to investigators, the courts and all the rest of it to work out whether that connection is relevant or not.
"So DNA doesn't have the words innocence or guilt in it - that is a legal concept. What it seeks to establish is connections and identifications."
Off-camera, Sir Alec said he was prepared to act as a witness for the McCanns.
His caution came as a leading genetics expert also called into question the value of DNA evidence in its own right. Dr Paul Debenham, a member of the advisory body the Human Genetics Commission, said there could be legitimate reasons as to how DNA from Madeleine found its way into the hire car.
Prosecutors would need to establish that it got there as part of a criminal process and not through chance contact, he said.
Dr Debenham said: "With the current highly sensitive DNA methodologies we can deposit DNA as a trace amount just from contact with a fabric. And that fabric can touch another surface where the DNA is passed on.
"So there is a situation where there is a legitimate or a possible explanation as to how the DNA got on the back seat despite the individual not being there, but through some legitimate transfer of garments, clothes or soft toy.
"It questions the value of that particular evidence in interpreting what happened."
The development came as it emerged that Portuguese prosecutors have applied for Gerry McCann's laptop and his wife's personal diary to be handed over to the authorities investigating their daughter's disappearance.
Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw supportBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007
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Detectives in the Algarve are particularly keen to track emails sent by Mr McCann, a cardiologist, from the computer he used while in Portugal to keep an almost daily blog on the campaign to find Madeleine.
An urgent application for access to the personal artefacts was made by public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses to a judge in Portimao yesterday.
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
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She told The Sun: " I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her.
"That wee girl will be thinking, 'They're not looking for me. My mummy, daddy and my aunties - they don't love me because they can't find me'.
"I was just thinking about how insecure Madeleine would be, so Kate has been keeping that journal faithfully every day.
"She's been writing down everything that we've been doing so we can prove to Madeleine that we have worked so hard to try and find her, that we've put our lives on hold to search for her and show our love for her is unending."
Gerry's brother John McCann said last night that his brother believed the Portuguese police had "gone up a cul-de-sac".
He told BBC's The One Show: "Gerry keeps telling me that they have gone up a cul-de-sac and have lost track of what they should really be doing."
Asked whether the fact the case was being dealt with at such a high level in Portugal gave him confidence, he said: "It does and it doesn't. There is data out there, there's all these leaks.
"There is so much speculation going on as to what the actual information the Portuguese police have.
"If they have got something that suggests Madeleine really is dead then for goodness sake tell the family who have the strongest feeling for this."
246 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 246 of 246With regards to Rosiepops post, yes the PJ may never come but not for the reasons she suggests. The PJ will not apologize to the McCanns even if the Arguido status is lifted. Why should they, as in any other country the parents would have been made suspects from day one. The MCanns appear to have done little to have themselves excluded by no co-operating fully with the PJ IMO. If they had perhaps they would have been cleared by now. So the PJ doing their duty is nothing to aplogize for and is certainly not a lawsuit offence.
Hope4truth,
Don't worry about the pot thing. I know what you mean.
Anon is just obsessed with Amsterdam and weed/pot.
Atardi
I was thinking of something like a Bay Tree small trunk round branches and leaves???
I have gone off the idea now cant face another garden centre maybe I will buy a Sun Dial...
Hiya 2345
to get out of one lie they (McCanns & Co) tell another and another...very well put. This is what the police mean by digging a deeper hole for themselves. There is no back out of all those lies. This is what convicts people..innocent people have no reason to keep on lieing.
Interesting a doctor admitting he gave his children phenergen to "get a good night's sleep". I suppose the trouble is people do tend to use the tools of their trade. To ordinary parents it just would not occur to use drugs to quieten their children and I am sure it would not occur to decent doctors either. They would look after their children better so there were no serious sleep problems.
Viv x
Hope,
It's 23.07 here.
Hello!
Been doing some digging elsewhwere and I found more material to add to my collection! :-) What a great day today was.
Viv,
xxxxxx
Hope 23.09
Atardi
Will it be 23.07 this time tomorrow night or will your clocks change???
Gina / Atardi
LOL if your clocks stay where they are tomorrow we will all be posting at the same time xxx
Hallo Viv and everyone
Thank you again for a very interesting article and your responses to each and every post on this blog!
Hope you all are having a lovely weekend!
Hope, got it, Atardi and I are on the same time, I hour ahead of you, and as we move our clocks foward Atardi we will still be an hour ahead. So as you said we will all be here at the same time, except the time will not be the same. Anyway whatever I am still not loosing a hours sleep. Going to bed now and not getting up till the craving for a coffee and ciggie calls- Good night all, take care
Neighbour, I always forget you're one hour ahead of us! :-)
Gina
Night sleep well... damn I thought we had caught up LOL xxx
Claudia
As I am doing a survey on international time lines what time is it in Portugal and are your clocks changing tomorrow???
xxx
HI Claudia, strange isn't it about the time, Holland is the same yet further away than you are. These time zones drive me crazy. The other day when I needed my son from America to help with remote assistance on my computer he said he could not come on till 10pm, that is 4am to me so I passed on that one.
How are you anyway, any idea when Alsa will be back.
Hope I get all muddled with who changes times when but I think USA do it a week later than the continent
Viv,
Thank you.
As a foreigner I didn't know that Clarence was a reporter of murder cases. I read that he used to work for the BBC and that he was sleeping during a programm?
Entreprenneur and Branson both refusing to pay for Injustice to Madeleine.
Thank you so much (again) for the explanation. You're simply the best.
We all know that Oprah doesn't like child neglecters.
Gina
I dont know anyone who is in the states at the moment but friends in NZ allways confuse me xxx
Hope, here it's 22:25 and yes, the clocks are gonna change! :-)
I'm fine, Gina. And so is Alsabella. Can't give you a date, but hopefully soon. Not until she takes care of the business she has to take care of. She'll explain everything then.
Hope you're ok!
Hi Gina and all, just popped in for a look, off to bed as i will have an hour less sleep tonight. Catch up tomorrow. Slán.
Claudia
Well at least one country is on the same time as us..
One hour less sleep tomorrow but ligter nights (rainy lighter nights) xxx
OMG (the favourit 3 words of my daughters) Hope,
Hope I'm glad we will have the same time tommorow. Now it's 23.07 here so tomorrow it will be 22.07
Hiya Claudia,
Thanks for the update and happy that you all are fine. Take care
Atardi
SO you get an extra hour in bed tomorrow and we loose an hour (not fair) xxx
Thanks, Southerncross.
Hope, :-)
Thanks Claudia. Thanks to Viv at least we can all keep up to date with each other.
Poor Hope she is going to up half the night now trying to work all these stupid time lines out. I turn into a pumpkin in 30 minutes, so have to dash before I have no legs to carry me to bed.
Hope all is well with you, regards to Alsa, take care all. Really goodnight now, need to sleep as cannot afford Botox to combat the wrinkles :-)
Hey Southerncross,
Goedenavond.
So glad we had a party last night and not tonight.
Ik hoop dat jouw weekeinde ook goed verloopt.
Ik heb jou bericht vorige week gelezen over mijn dochter. Maar we hadden geen internet en telefonie gedurende 3 dagen.
Dochter is met haar team kampioen geworden in hun categorie.
Hoe is het weer bij jouw?
Dear Atardi
Dit gaan goed met my en my gesin,dankie!Die weer is aaklig!
Wonderful news, I am sure you are VERY proud of your daughter! I hope she one day has the guts to be able to speak her mind as yo do!
I am counting the days when I will be able to visit my beloved country again.I miss my culture and people!
Atardi I was just off and now you have muddled me too. We put our clocks forward so why does Holland put them back. You are on the same time as me now, and if you move them the same as we do you will be the same time as me tomorrow, so Hope will still be an hour behind us, even if we are looking in at the same time (except it will not be the same time on the clock for all). Wish Hope had not mentioned this now - Let's all checkin tomorrow as see what time it is everywhere then
Sleep tight, Gina!
Gina
There you go you are as confused as me now (sorry) xxx
Claudia lol xx
Hope I wouldn't have been if Atardi had not said she is moving her clock back and we are moving our forward. Well I guess it is none of our business, it is her clock and she can move it where she likes. LOL, going, 15 minutes to pumpkin time
Gina,
xxxx
Hope/Gina,
I am reading "Dagblad van het Noorden"
A rough translation:
"During the night of saturday 29 march to sunday 30 march all clocks in the EU-countries wil go an hour forward. So the night is an hour shorter.
At 2 o'clock it will be 3 o'clock in Holland and all EU-countries.
Gina
Thank the Lord for blogs without them I would not have a clue what time anyone was on LOL Sleep well xxx
Atardi
LOL I am really confused now I think tomorrow we should all tell each other what time it is and then the mystery will be solved xxx
Atardi thanks for that at least I will not be awake half the night trying to work that out. So the magic word for us all is FORWARD, not back- Yipee thats sorted
Good night all I am off to bed and will get my head round the time tomorrow xxx
Dont forget to put your clocks forward xxx
Hope/Gina,
The paper I was reading has a ezelsbruggetje. I'll translate that as a reminder. In Holland the spring is called voorjaar (also lente)and "voor" means before/for or forward. So in the spring (keep in mind hope "sprinting")we will sprint from 2 to 3.
So confusing.
Hope,
Read/see you tomorrow.
Sleep tight.
Hi Viv
I'm a lurker from the DE and occasionally posted there and also on Alsabella's site. Thank you for providing a service which seems to be fast disappearing - free speech!
I do hope your site continues to go from strength to strength and, if I may, I would like to say hello to Alsabella and very much hope that she is OK and that all is well in her world! Maybe she will be back on her blog (or here) soon.
Unfortunately I am going to be offline for about five weeks and I shall really miss the news provided both here and Alsabella's site.
I really hope that one of you kind people will give me a potted version of all that happens while I am away!!
Best wishes to you all....
Stonemaid
Southerncross,
Of course I'm proud of her.
When was the last time you visited Holland?
Atardi,
Hallo! No I am ashamed to say I have never visited Holland, my children have and enjoyed the hospitality! My surname is Dutch and the doctor who was in charge when my children were born and "looked after them",now resides in your lovely country.I can email his name to you
Southerncross,
Don't hope you have many "G's" in your surname. So your children were able to be here?
That's so nice about Viv's blog. People from all over the world talking to each other.
Hello Stonemaid
Thanks for your kind remarks.
I hope you have a nice time while you are away and maybe a rest from Kate and Gerry and their silly spin!
I am sure the news, when we get it, will be really good news:
JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!
Viv x
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