30 Mar 2008

Kate McCann her Story 5 August 2007

Kate McCann: My Story
::: What really happened the night Madeleine vanished::: Why her last words to me mean so much::: How my twins are coping without their big sister
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Hi All

What do you all think of Kate's story back in August? I have my own thoughts but would be very interested to read others...What was her motivation for speaking out for the first time, alone? Why did she want it distributed to all the Sunday newspapers?

Viv x

The Independent
Sunday, 5 August 2007

Mrs McCann, speaking in an interview that she asked should be distributed to all Sunday newspapers, also tells what really happened when she discovered that her daughter was missing, how her twins are coping without their sister, and why she may never want to return to the family home again. She also takes time to answer those who have criticised her for leaving the children alone.
Meanwhile, as her story is published, Belgian police were awaiting results of DNA tests done on a straw and drinks bottle which were used by a girl spotted in a restaurant in the Flemish town of Tongeren.

On Saturday, it will be 100 days since Madeleine McCann was snatched from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. Interviewed for the first time without her husband, Madeleine's mother tells Lori Campbell about the criticism they have faced, the support they have received and how she and her family have coped since that dreadful night
The one thing I have always been definite about is that I wanted to be a mother. Then when we were trying for a baby and it wasn't happening, it was really hard. The longer it went on, the harder it was. I saw my friends having children and I was really delighted for them, but it made me feel sad too.
We tried unsuccessfully for several years to conceive. There came a point when we admitted we needed help. I was so desperate to have a child I'd try anything. I know IVF isn't everyone's choice, but I wanted to try it. By that stage I was happy to start the treatment because it was taking the pressure off us a bit. We had one unsuccessful attempt before Madeleine, and that was very hard. But when I got pregnant with Madeleine it was just fantastic. It didn't seem true. I did a test at home so I could handle the result if it wasn't good. I was looking at it thinking 'I don't believe that'. Then I went to the hospital and they checked it. I was really excited.
Madeleine's birth
Once we were past 12 weeks we were telling everyone. I swam every day until the day she was born to keep us both healthy. It was a really uncomplicated pregnancy. I had no sickness, nothing. It was so easy. I didn't know I was having a girl until she was born. [She smiles] There she was, perfect. She was lovely. She had the most beautiful face. I'd thought I was going to have a boy, just based on instinct. That actually made it even more special that she was a girl.
The first five or six months were really difficult. She had very bad colic and cried about 18 hours a day. She had to be picked up all the time. So I spent many a day dancing round the living room holding Madeleine. I remember trying to butter my toast with one hand and holding her in the other. We would watch the clock and Gerry would come home and there would be three of us. Sometimes she just looked so sad with colic, and the three of us would be cuddled together trying to get her through it. Like a lot of things, you go through that difficult, bad stage and it tightens that bond. We've both got an incredible bond with Madeleine.
The twins are born
When the twins were born she was amazing, I keep saying that, but she was. She was only 20 months old. She just handled it so well. She was still a baby herself ... [Kate's voice breaks and she has to pause to stop herself crying] I'll try not to get emotional at this point. I just remember when they were born. I'm going to get a bit upset now, sorry. When the time came to bring Madeleine in, it was in the evening. She came in and ... just her little face. When she saw the twins for the first time it was lovely. It was so nice, this expression. She sat on the end of my bed.
We had the odd moment of course, such as when I was breast-feeding the twins. There was a tired Madeleine walking about the room wanting attention. But she was remarkable the way she coped with it all. She would look at me and say 'hold it, hold it,' meaning she wanted to hold one of the babies."
Holiday in Portugal
She was so excited about coming to Portugal. She was holding on to another girl's hand walking up the stairs to the plane. She was no trouble on the flight, always chatting, and colouring in or reading.
The kids had a fantastic time. We all did, but it was lovely seeing them having fun. We did use the kids' club and very often did activities there. Madeleine in particular had a ball. They did swimming, went on a little boat, went to the beach, did lots of colouring in and face painting. Madeleine is at the age where she could really enjoy it.
They played tennis, which she loved, she was so happy. They had a little dance prepared for Friday. It was a little presentation they were working on in the days before. I don't know what it was, I never got to see it ...
On the evening she went missing, before she went to bed, she said, 'Mummy I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun.' [Pause]
That night
The night she went missing there was about 20 seconds of disbelief where I thought 'that can't be right'. I was checking for her. Then there was panic and fear. That was the first thing that hit. I was screaming her name. I ran to the group. Everyone was the same. It was just total fear. I never thought for one second that she'd walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left.
But I knew she wouldn't do that anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken. That's why the fear set in. Then you go through the guilt phase. Straight away, because we didn't know what had happened. We were just so desperately sorry. Every hour now, I still question, 'why did I think that was safe?'
I can't describe how much I love Madeleine. If I'd had to think for one second, 'should we have dinner and leave them?' I wouldn't have done it. It didn't happen like that. I didn't have to think for a second, that's how safe I felt.
Maybe it was because it was family-friendly, because it felt so safe. That week we had left them alone while we had dinner. There is no way on this planet I would take a risk, no matter how small, with my children. I do say to myself 'why did I think it was safe?' But it did feel safe and so right. I love her and I'm a totally responsible parent and that's the only thing that keeps me going. I have no doubt about that.
You don't expect a predator to break in and take your daughter out the bed. It could have happened under other circumstances and there would still be the regret. It wasn't like a decision we made. It was a matter of 'let's get the kids to sleep, then we'll have dinner.' It wasn't a 'shall I, shan't I?' thing. I feel desperately sorry to her that we weren't there.
This has touched so many people. I've had so many letters from mothers, really kind words. People have said 'Kate, we've done this a hundred times over ourselves. Why would you for one minute think something like that would happen?' It's not like we went down town or anything.
How did it happen?
People have said to me you're the unluckiest person in the world, and we are. That night runs over and over in my mind, and I'm sure people will learn from our mistake, if you want to call it that. But it is important not to lose sight of the fact we haven't committed a crime. Somebody has. Somebody's been there, somebody's been watching. They took our daughter away and we can't lose sight of that.
There are still moments where I think 'how did that happen?' You can't imagine in your wildest dreams that anyone would do something like that. It's awful for us but I have absolutely no idea what Madeleine's feeling. [She pauses to hold back tears] How can someone do that to a child?
When we moved apartments we unpacked some of Madeleine's things. We don't have a room for her set out or anything. I've kept her clothes together. She has lots of presents to open that people have sent. Mostly people who don't know her, and pictures other children have drawn.
The twins know she's not there and they do miss her. But on a day-to-day basis they are happy. They're lovely, like a little double act, they're so funny. They put their little rucksacks on, hold hands and walk off around the room. They're fantastic.
The twins' reaction
Their vocabulary has come on so much since we've been here. The older they get the more it stretches, and there are areas we're going to have to broach. But we'll let them take the lead. They talk about Madeleine's things and if they get a biscuit they say 'one for Sean, one for Amelie, one for Madeleine'.
There are photographs of Madeleine all around and they comment on them. They've got a lot of love and protection. We've taken professional advice just to check we're doing the right thing by them. We have contact with a child psychologist when we need it.
When we went back to the UK for a family baptism there was an empty seat on the plane and Sean said 'that's Madeleine's seat'. That caught me. Because I wasn't going home, it didn't feel too bad leaving. It was important for me to go. The hardest thing wasn't being in the UK, it was to be with such a close family and for Madeleine not to be there. I knew how much she'd have loved to be there ... Despite her small size she just has this huge presence. She brings a lot of joy.
Amelie asked me afterwards, 'Where's Madeleine? I miss my big sister.' I don't know where that question came from, it could have been because it was a family day. She's obviously made that connection, she knows Madeleine's her big sister. Amelie will sometimes point at the Cuddle Cat [Madeleine's cuddly toy] and say 'Madeleine. Her Cuddle Cat. Looking after it.' She's probably heard me saying that.
Sean said something the other day about Madeleine. It catches me. Then they do whatever they're doing, like 'look at this Noddy', and they're on to something else. It's not dwelled on.
Gerry's reaction
Gerry's way of coping is to keep busy and focused. He needs to feel like he's doing something. He's a very optimistic, positive person. I'm not always. With a lot of the campaign stuff, he has done the talking. Sometimes I want to speak, but I just can't. It's not natural for me. Gerry's used to having to speak at conferences and it's harder for me. But I'm equally involved. Every decision is mutual.
When Gerry went to Washington, he rang me three or four times a day to ask me what I thought. Although I wasn't there in person I knew hour by hour what was happening. We knew it was a positive visit. It wasn't about Madeleine in particular. We've learnt a lot and become aware of the bigger issue.
Other missing children
There are so many missing children out there, abducted children and sexually exploited children. Once you know all that you can't turn a blind eye to it. Madeleine is our priority, but we have to help. We can't just ignore those other children.
I don't know why the publicity's been so massive. We're normal people. We don't have amazing contacts or anything, we just have strong friends. Everyone brainstormed and became very creative. They did what they could and if that meant asking well-known faces, celebrities, it was done. They are normal people too. They wanted to help.
I still have moments of panic and fear. It's not as intense and unrelenting as the first five days. Now, obviously, we have hope and it's important to hold on to that. I do go back to those dark moments. It would be abnormal never to touch on them. I do feel panic and fear when I'm thinking about her, but it doesn't help. I'm not helping Madeleine by going there. It's important to channel those emotions into something positive.
Returning home
But I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to go back into our family home. I can't bear the thought of it. We'd lived in that house for a year and it was a really happy family home. We have so many happy memories in that house. Madeleine's room is shocking pink. She chose the colour.
Obviously things change as the weeks and months go by. We haven't got the pressure of Sean and Amelie starting school or anything. At the moment we're staying and we feel happier staying. We are closer to the investigation. Some of that might be mad, I don't know. We don't know where Madeleine is, we don't think she's in the UK but there's nothing to say she's any further from there than she is from here. It's a gut feeling. I'm aware there's probably things that would be easier at home, but at the moment this is the right thing for us.
And it's hard to think about work. I'm not looking too far ahead, but I can't drop the campaign, I know that. I can't turn a blind eye to it. We'll do whatever we can, working with other organisations, to try to make a difference. It's so hard not to get involved, it's so intimate to us now that we can't ignore it. It's not like I go round in a bubble, but I honestly did not realise the scale of this problem, children suffering like this.
The public's reaction
The criticism from the public is hurtful. I hate publicity, interviews, anything like that. I just hate it. When things have happened in the past to children I've wondered 'how do you get through that, how can you even live another day?' Then here we were doing press conferences. You just don't know until you're in that situation. Like this morning: how did I get in the shower, have my breakfast?
I just go through the motions. Any parent would do anything they could for their child. We're just doing what we feel is the best thing for Madeleine. Some people say the publicity will be harmful, that she'll be hidden away because of it. But what can you do, just sit and do nothing? It's difficult. It's awkward. But it's not about me, it's not about Gerry, it's about Madeleine.
As a couple, I think we're stronger than ever. We've got an equal partnership. We don't row, we've never rowed. We have different strengths and have reached different stages at different points but we help each other. We haven't talked about staying here for ever, we're just not looking that far ahead. We've had so much support, mothers can empathise with me. Speaking now, on my own, is a way of saying thank you. They've given a bit of themselves to me.
[Next Saturday will mark 100 days since Madeleine's disappearance] I'm still hoping we're not going to get there. Every day I'm hoping we won't get to the next day without her. But we have to keep going for Madeleine.
If I could say one thing to comfort her it's that we love her. She knows we love her very much. She knows we're looking for her, that we're doing absolutely everything and we'll never give up.

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Anonymous said...

Quoting Anonymous:

"Bianca how dare you! Now you know Gerry has a tennis match to play and Kate needs to get her hair highlighted...again!"

Oh yes of course! What was I thinking? But remember, they only do these things to "help them cope" with a crisis situation .. okay?

Anonymous said...

Viv,

'Thanks for your insight into the dark and depraved world of Supertroll and the rest of them.'

I'd much rather subscribe to the dark and depraved world of supertroll than subscribe to the dark and depraved world of 2345 like you do every day.

If supertroll was on your side you would simply adore her.

But she is showing you and your blog up pretty well and you can't stand it.

Unknown said...

Hi Di

I would not say it was a normal request for the defence to insist on the police re-interviewing prosecution witnesses.

But what I glean from this is the defence will seek to challenge that evidence and say all those witnesses are mistaken. An indicaton of just what a desperate position their lawyers face in trying to undo the case against Kate and Gerry McCann.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Supertroll is a want-to-be-middle-class idiot. Nothing more, nothing less. She adds nothing to this debate at all. All she does is show herself for the spitefull moron she is.

Unknown said...

Supetroll

If you think you are showing my blog up pretty well, as opposed to showing yourself up and your obsession with me and my blog, your mental illness, then you must continue. I will leave that for you to decide.


Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv,
I'm not supertroll, really.

Do you think all criticism of this blog comes from just one person?

Di said...

Hi Viv

If the PJs are only going to be here until the end of the week, I would imagine they would have little time to re-interview all these witnesses and holidaymakers.

Anonymous said...

Dear Viv

Anyone normal that goes over to her blog quickly picks up on her obcession and spitefullness. While you have hundreds of posts per article, her rants get the same 20 odd posts, some of which I would almost bet is supertroll herself posting under an alias.

The self-proclaimed "pros" cheer her on to annoy you because they are spiteful but in the end have no respect for her or her rants.

Unknown said...

Sorry ~Di

I have misunderstood that quote.

The lawyers are not asking that prosecution witnesses be re-interviewed at all.

In about Sept or October McCanns lawyers compiled a list of about 25 witnesses for the defence and demanded the police interview them. This request is clearly being renewed but I am sure the police will not acceded to this request. It will be up to the defence to call those witnesses at trial. It is not up to the prosecution to seek to disprove its own case!


Viv x

Anonymous said...

No, you read this blog because no one posts on yours. All morning 14 posts! Te he he

Anonymous said...

viv
Wrong again .
As arguidos the McCanns can request other people to be interviwed .

Unknown said...

Hiya Anon

Christabel/Supertroll, does get cynically used. I have seen Rosiepops enter the site and state Christabel, are you there?

It is cruel and wicked to use someone who is so obviously very ill to do some of the more bizarre abuse of me and others. I hope Supertroll will read this and understand how people like this will be really laughing at her and what a useful tool she is for them, or so they believe. In fact it associates them with a campaign no sane and reasonable person would want to be involved in. I have always said their comments speak for themselves, they are evil, racists.

Viv x

Di said...

Viv

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Anonymous said...

Dear Viv

Yes, they are. IMO they are mercenaries with a cash register where their hearts should be. Selling out a child is disgusting. No matter how small a pension you are receiving.

Anonymous said...

I am what you would call a pro although i don't really like those labels. I read the other blog defending all the family and never posted because i don't know how to do it not anonymously. But i was disgusted yesterday by what i read. They had dozens of comments with jokes and one liners. Someone reading that would never guess it was about a missing little girl. While reading it all i was thinking what would the mccanns think if they read that? I'm saying this here because they don't allow anonymous comments. But i know they will read this. If they do i want to tell you that you are doing the mccanns no favours. In fact you're disrespecting them and their missing daughter. Shame on you.

Anonymous said...

Hiya Bianca

The prosecution have to prove the charge on the indictment beyond reasonable doubt i.e. perhaps manslaughter.

I think you are again confusing the evidence in the case with a finding of actual guilt of the offence charged. The lack of a body goes to another charge that they are likely to face, disposal/concealment of the body and would therefore substantially increase the overall sentence they will receive on an assumption of a finding of guilt to both charges. Of course there may well be other serious charges like conspiracy to pervert the course of justice..When it comes to a sentencing exercise the judge will weigh up all the evidence and the offences for which they have been found guilty and look at what would be a correct sentence overall on the totality of that offending. For this reason, in the McCann case, it is likely to be far worse than if they had just admitted it in the first place!

Viv x


Whoa Viv, this is all a little confusing for me! I have no trouble getting my head around the theories of Frederik Nietzsche, or Immanuel Kant's transcendental idealism, but when it comes to the law, I need to take baby steps! LOL

Okay. Let me see here (and this is the last legal question I'll ask) The basic gist is that the case is presented in its entirety. Nothing is left out. And in that, the prosecutor would have covered everything needed to present a convincing case, including what probably (beyond a reasonable doubt) happened to the body?? This would not be left out, as it is a vital piece of the entire puzzle (that is the case)??

Basically, it comes down to the evidence being beyond a reasonable doubt, not whether or not each individual piece of evidence can be physically brought to court?

I know these questions must sound lame but like I say - law has never been a strong point.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I am what you would call a pro although i don't really like those labels. I read the other blog defending all the family and never posted because i don't know how to do it not anonymously. But i was disgusted yesterday by what i read. They had dozens of comments with jokes and one liners. Someone reading that would never guess it was about a missing little girl. While reading it all i was thinking what would the mccanns think if they read that? I'm saying this here because they don't allow anonymous comments. But i know they will read this. If they do i want to tell you that you are doing the mccanns no favours. In fact you're disrespecting them and their missing daughter. Shame on you.

Monday, 31 March 2008 14:17:00 o'clock BST - Anonymous

This was exactly my point, Anon. They have transparently stopped caring about the issues, and have instead decided to resort to spitefulness and hate-filled personal attacks on other posters. I don't blame you for not wanting to post on there unless you can remain anonymous!

Unknown said...

Huya Bianca

You got it! Everything that is relevant and probative of the case will be presented as evidence to demonstrate they committed the crime as charged on the indictment beyond reasonable doubt.

The absence of the body does leave a potentially very useful piece of evidence missing but it has never been the case a body is necessary to actually prove manslaughter or murder. All over the world there are cases where people are convicted without. This has to be the case otherwise Mafia etc who even put a body into freshly poured concrete would never be convicted for it! In this case, it just gets the McCanns another charge to face and be sentenced for, disposing of the body, the evidence, will always make the case against the accused far more serious. It is a dark and sinister thing to do to destroy the evidence and again indicative of a total lack of respect or concern for little Madeleine. With normal parents you will always hear them say they desperately want their child's body, so that they can properly grieve and give the child the final act of respect and love. When did the McCanns ever even mention this? All they ever do is make bizarre claims, almost a year later, they know she is alive!

Viv x

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Dear Viv

What I find strange is that they are preparing the one year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. If she is alive, how do they know she won't be found before then? And how did Gerry know this in July, when he first mentioned this one-year anniversary?

Anonymous said...

Hiya Bianca

Thanks for your insight into the dark and depraved world of Supertroll and the rest of them.

It is best to just leave them to it and not engage with them at all. Some of them clearly have serious mental health issues.

I can point this out to my posters, but like you, people have to see it for themselves.

Thanks
Viv x

Monday, 31 March 2008 13:55:00 o'clock BST
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That's okay Viv, I just felt I had to say something about what was written over there! These people have really lost the plot, even more than I have been thinking! Anyway, I won't be returning. I know I said that last time, but this time (after Supertroll's garbage) the "crusade" is definitely over!

Anonymous said...

bianca
not forgetting tht refusal to answer any questions is similar to an admission of guilt .

Monday, 31 March 2008 13:59:00 o'clock BST - Anonymous

Yes Anon, that is certainly how I have been tempted to read it, and I dare say how the PJ have seen it as well!

Di said...

Well said Bianca.

Joe said...

I do believe as Arguidos the MCanns can request that the police question a list of people,as has been said here already. What though is stopping them from adding their names to the list, as its another golden opportunity TO CLEAR their names? Has it ever occurred to them how wrong it looks to be proffering other people to be questioned, yet they refuse all opportunities. Are we all dumb?

Unknown said...

Hiya Bianca

Research in the UK confirms that it is only in a very small proportion of serious criminal cases, usually involving serious sexual abuse or violence, the accused actually refuses to answer police questions.

In UK courts this can be taken as an inference of guilt..there is no explanation the accused can give for the facts put to them by the police, without incriminating themselves, so they refuse to comment.

Dr Shipman actually turned his chair around away from the police when they were putting the questions to him. Nevertheless the police continued to ask them. His refusal to even turn the right way said it all for the jury!


Viv x

ta ra said...

FOR ANONYMOUS, THE GENUINE ANONYMOUS.

I see your words as you write them from your heart, and thoughtful soul. You are not anonymouse.

In Iraq, in Zimbabwe, many anonymous people voted for what they believe in. They are anonymous because democracy recognises that powerful people will manipulate ordinary people, so 'anonymous' is the best way to vote, to speak out for what is right, and reject the might of manipulators, and their power brokers.

Anonymous: your writing defines you as genuine; seeking truth, wherever honest inquiry leads, however long it takes.

As for the Anonymouse, and the Anonymice: your writing defines you as insincere manipulators.

'The moving hand writes, and having writ, moves on...' a quote from the Rubyat of Omar Khyam, a great poet and philosopher.

No fear, anonymous. We see you for you.

Unknown said...

Hi Joe

No criminal suspect is allowed to tell the police what to do, no matter how expensive their lawyers are. The police will interview all relevant witnesses and in such a case the bundle of witness statements get brought into court on a trolley!

The McCanns hired Metodo 3, Hogan etc to try and find some witnesses that would say something different and it has been admitted by Clarence Mitchell some of them have even been paid. This is perverting the course of justice, or attempting to, at least.

Seeking to try and insist, once more that these "witnesses" get interviewed by the police is a very desperate bid to try and stop Kate and Gerry McCann from being charged. It will be ignored.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

"You got it! Everything that is relevant and probative of the case will be presented as evidence to demonstrate they committed the crime as charged on the indictment beyond reasonable doubt."

"The absence of the body does leave a potentially very useful piece of evidence missing but it has never been the case a body is necessary to actually prove manslaughter or murder. All over the world there are cases where people are convicted without. This has to be the case otherwise Mafia etc who even put a body into freshly poured concrete would never be convicted for it! In this case, it just gets the McCanns another charge to face and be sentenced for, disposing of the body, the evidence, will always make the case against the accused far more serious. It is a dark and sinister thing to do to destroy the evidence and again indicative of a total lack of respect or concern for little Madeleine. With normal parents you will always hear them say they desperately want their child's body, so that they can properly grieve and give the child the final act of respect and love. When did the McCanns ever even mention this? All they ever do is make bizarre claims, almost a year later, they know she is alive!"

Viv x
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Absolutely fascinating Viv - have genuinely enjoyed the legal lesson .. thanks!

About the McCanns themselves, it sounds like if it does come to trial, they are going to have some pretty big holes to dig themselves out of! And regarding their treatment of the body (and when I say "treatment" I mean verbal as much as any possible physical treatment) they have certainly been cold and even disrespectful, i.e., Gerry saying "find the body and prove we killed her". This is certainly different to the things I've previously heard the loved ones of missing people say, such as "All we want now is the body so that (so-and-so) can have a proper burial", etc.

Anonymous said...

Bianca,
Regarding what you call the other blog. Surely it is far better and more healthy to laugh and joke between themselves than constantly rake up old issues against the McCann family.
It is not as though their jokes are aimed in anyway towards Madeleine or her family.
In my honest opinion, should the McCann's read these blogs, they would be far less insulted by a group of ladies joking around than some of the allegations made on here. After all not one of us actually holds a shred of evidence either way. Not even 2345.
Why can people not just wait and see? Why must they insist on guessing? After all no matter anyones opinion, it is a family we are talking about here. Madeleine's family.

ta ra said...

Dear Joe,

Excellent point re: arguidos can request certain people are questioned...and excellent question from you: why would the McCanns evade further questions if they want to co-operate in every way with the ongoing investigation, as their paid mouthpiece Clarence Mitchell claims?

Words are cheap. Actions speak louder than words.

Also: money talks.

The McCann Machine of media manipulators are exposed by their own words, and actions.

Also: silence speaks volumes.

Problem for the manipulators: they are outnumbered by the silent majority, and the discreet inquirers who whisper, and wait. Wait for all those unanswered questions by the McCanns and their holiday 'friends', and their family, their 'advisers' to answer.

Answer, they must either with their silence or their words. The PJ are coming, assisted by the British Police, Interpol, and child protection agencies.

Hiya Viv and Bianca. A pleasure to see you, as always.

Joe said...

Hi Viv,

Even going back to our childhood we were always encouraged to tell the truth at home and at school. Its pure instinct in us all by keeping silent we know its to hide a secret, not to betray a confidence, hide a crime or a wrongdoing etc, so our own human instinct here is that the truth is being concealed by silence, and a normal jury, the police would infer guilt from it because in this case there could be no justifiable reason not to tell the truth if it meant that a small child's disappearance could be solved. The alternative reason is not to incriminate the suspects.

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

Great to see you again darling, excellant post and very well put..answer they must whether by silence ..as you imply this is a very guilty answer!

That is a simple issue really!

Viv x

Unknown said...

Joe again,

extremely well put on the issue of Kate and Gerry McCann's silence and refusal to co-operate in the investigation. There can be only one reason for that, and it is a very obvious reason, the same reason Kate McCann refused a lie detector test!


Viv x

ta ra said...

Annie,

Madeleine Beth McCann has no family. In her brief life, she had adults who served their own ego by giving birth to her, by showing her off as a cute little blonde girl, by talking about her.

Where were they in May 2007? They were serving themselves, as always.

Poor little Madeleine Beth McCann had no family. She had 'keepers', whining, self-centred, spoilt adults who were proud of her when she fit in with their lives, and leaving her alone, night after night with her younger sister and brother in a foreign country when these infants were just an obstacle to self-indulgent adult pleasure.

Madeleine Beth McCann had a brief life; the toy of her family's vanity, imo.

Madeleine Beth McCann, dead aged 3.

Unknown said...

Leigh

May sweet Madeleine now rest in peace, gone to a place where she will suffer no more.

Viv x

ta ra said...

Hi Viv,

As you say: this is a very simple issue, really.

Reality has been postponed to long in the sorry case of missing Madeleine Beth McCann.

Your generosity and the honest inquirers who post here agree on that. We have never waivered from that viewpoint, even if we sometimes disagree over the minutae.

We are used to reading the abuse and sacchrine sweet manipulation of child neglect excusers.

So what? So this for them: weak words, false actions, cheap money will turn to dust; twas ever thus.

So this will be, in my not so humble opinion :-)

!!! Viv. See how BBC now confirms PJ and Brits to question McCann holiday friends, PLUS family, PLUS 'advisers'?

The UK media now talk and write about 'missing', 'disappearance'.

Tsk. It was always heading this way. It's all over bar the shouting, I think.

Yes?

Anonymous said...

Hiya Bianca

Research in the UK confirms that it is only in a very small proportion of serious criminal cases, usually involving serious sexual abuse or violence, the accused actually refuses to answer police questions.

In UK courts this can be taken as an inference of guilt..there is no explanation the accused can give for the facts put to them by the police, without incriminating themselves, so they refuse to comment.

Dr Shipman actually turned his chair around away from the police when they were putting the questions to him. Nevertheless the police continued to ask them. His refusal to even turn the right way said it all for the jury!


Viv x
================================================

Another interesting insight - thanks Viv.

And you know, the pro-McCanns cannot even use the excuse any more that the McCanns are refusing to answer questions based on a fear of the "corrupt" PJ forcing a confession out of them, because as we all know, the British cops will also be present when the PJ question the Tapas 7 in April - so what is there to be "afraid" of now? What is their excuse?

I am still undecided about this case (i.e., did they kill her .. I KNOW they neglected her!), but certainly, there are some very suspicious aspects to this case, and pieces of the puzzle seem to be coming together in an increasingly sinister way!

ta ra said...

Dear Viv,

Your post re Madeleine upsets me because it is emotional, and true.

However, honest inquiry must be rational, as you are, otherwise the sacchrine sweet manipulators will divert kind hearts into a soft place.

Now, more than ever, is the time to be matter of fact. Eyes wide open.

Children need tough minded adults who have kind hearts, and use those qualities at the appropriate time.

No surrender, Viv. No surrender.
xo

Ana said...

Hi everyone,


Hello all,

I just like you all to know that although we are all waiting for real news next week concerning the re-interviews, that could never happen …

Don’t believe it? Well, just take a look …


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/12/guilt-of-mccanns.html


"The Portuguese police are here purely to observe the process. The interviews will be carried out by Leicestershire police.

The reason for these reinterviews are to be stated as either 'clarification of', 'going over previous' or 'tying together earlier' statements. There is to be no suggestion in the analysis that there have been inconsistencies or contradictions, although reporters may allude to these briefly in discussions with news anchors that the Portuguese are unclear about some of the timelines. All and any such references to contradictions must be referred to as 'alleged'.

The Jane Tanner interview snippet from Panorama can be shown, but not dissected. No reference should be made to any inconsistencies or contradictions in her statements or the evolution of these statements from her original description of the abductor to the police. No suspicions should be raised or inferred with regard to any of the friends.

It shall be made clear that the McCanns are not to be requestioned. If absolutely necessary, the phrase 'at this time' may be added, but should be avoided if possible.

ALL reporting must emphasise the McCann's denial of any wrongdoing and all references to Madeleine must state that she is four, or was about to turn four at the time of the disappearance.
Any outside broadcasts from Leicestershire at the time of the questionings must attempt, wherever possible, to source quotes from the McCann's spokesman. If not, a preprepared statement will be made available to the reporter on scene and this must be used as part of the report."
"How's that for free press?? "

Anonymous said...

Bianca,
Regarding what you call the other blog. Surely it is far better and more healthy to laugh and joke between themselves than constantly rake up old issues against the McCann family.
It is not as though their jokes are aimed in anyway towards Madeleine or her family.
In my honest opinion, should the McCann's read these blogs, they would be far less insulted by a group of ladies joking around than some of the allegations made on here. After all not one of us actually holds a shred of evidence either way. Not even 2345.
Why can people not just wait and see? Why must they insist on guessing? After all no matter anyones opinion, it is a family we are talking about here. Madeleine's family.

Monday, 31 March 2008 14:51:00 o'clock BST- [quoting Annie]
================================================================

I glean from your post Annie that you have genuine empathy for the McCanns and Madeleine. I respect that, and you are entitled to your opinion.

However, some of the things you have said are clearly wrong. For a start, the pro's did not behave like "ladies" and there was nothing "healthy" about their "jokes" - unless sheer, unadulterated spite has suddenly become healthy?? Obviously, I don't know the McCanns personally, but I can't imagine them thinking that this lot (i.e., the "pro's"), with their hateful comments and their bad spelling, are doing them any favours!

You say that we are digging up old stories about the McCanns, but hang on, aren't the PJ coming to question the Tapas 7 in April? This is current news, and a lot of the suppositions on this blog have this news story as their central theme. Nothing old or dug up - nothing fanciful or overly speculative.

Finally, you're right - not one of "us" hold a shred of evidence, but the PJ obviously do, otherwise, they would not have made the McCanns arguidi for this long, or be so determined to re-question the Tapas 7. You are right .. we must wait and see, and I am the first to say that we can't know for sure if the McCanns are guilty of manslaughter yet, but the PJ are a major police force with a lot of cases to solve, and I doubt they would travel all the way over to Britain to re-question witnesses if they honestly didn't think they had a leg to stand on.

hope4truth said...

Blimey it is busy on here today...

Hi Bianca I went to work after answering your post earlier did not know if you were still around or not...

I cant belive that they could post such a load of rubbish to defend the McCanns. If they think that because other people like to boast that they to leave their children alone and let them wander off at Theme Parks it makes the McCanns look normal they are sadly wrong...

I was discusing the post with someone I met today and they asked if this person was under the care of Social Services...

The reason I started posting in the first place was because something was not right and now the Pro's are justifying this as normal behaviour I can see very clearly that there must be a serious case to answer.

Surley to god if she was really missing they would all be starting campaignes to say dont ever leave your child alone look what happend to us????

Sick is the only way to describe this so called Mother I pray her children are safe.

xxx

Anonymous said...

Never in my life have a witnessed such behaviour in a case of the disappearance of a child. This reminds me of some of the Washington DC lobbies in the US.

Are these people looking for a child or running the McCann Corporation?

Monday, 31 March 2008 13:48:00 o'clock BST - [quoting Anonymous]

Hi Anon, I know exactly what you mean! I mean, an online shop where you can buy t-shirts and coffee mugs?? Come on!

ta ra said...

Ana,

Brilliant post! A reminder of the constraints existing in this case.

However, the McCanns made this a 'game', and it's a 'game' Clarence the Clown will lose, in time, imo.

If the rules get tougher, the players get tougher. That's how games are played.

Play on, McCann Machine of media manipulators. You just make it more interesting for game players.

You just make it appalling for children, and the honest adults who care deeply for their welfare.

Problem: some of those adults will become more angry, and more determined to punish adults who betray children, and honest inquiry.

Play on, Clarry the Clown. Looking forward to your next interview? The one that will take place in a small room with no windows.

How's Richard, by the way. How's the double glazing salesman. No ? marks there. It's rhetorical.

They see you for what you are, and you won't get their money again.

hope4truth said...

Viv

Your 14.48 post has CM really admited that some of the witnesses have been paid?

This man is a menace x

Unknown said...

Hiya Leigh

My post was emotional, it concerned little Madeleine.

So far as the parents are concerned that is a different issue entirely, the law, cold, unemotional, relevant, factual, unforgiving. Just like Kate and Gerry McCann really, they will meet their match.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

leigh
I might be anonymouse but at least I know my Rubiat ,
it's the moving "finger " NOT "HAND "

ta ra said...

Hiya Hopefortruth!

See you soon. Just catching up on stuff.
x
Leigh

ta ra said...

Anonymouse:

In the fine words of the Irish Catholic fictional character Father Ted series (something you lot can relate to): 'Feck off.'

:-) Such a bunch of fun to tease cynics!

Go on, then. Tell me something else you can spell. Am most spell bound :-)

hope4truth said...

I saw on GMTV this morning that the PJ were on their way...

Does anyone know if Fiona Philips is still involved with the fund???

Unknown said...

Hiya Hope

Yes he did, quite recently when there was the furore about Metodo 3 and their criminal activities. He tried to justify paying witnesses saying it did not change their evidence. We know differently to that.

Gran Cooper had a full page spread in The News of the World that she was no doubt paid handsomely for.

Likewise the two tennis playing female friends of Gerry's had a full page spread in The Daily Mail. This is not how serious prosecution witnesses behave is it? The would be in serious trouble if they did! Hence Mrs Fenn and Mr Wilkins categoric refusal to discuss matters with the press..they got warned not to do that!

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Hi Leigh

was having a blonde moment last night and asked Isis if her daugter had flown yet???

So will ask the right person is she there yet??? xxx

ta ra said...

Viv,

Thank you.

BTW, they have met their match. They just don't like it :-)

I do.

hope4truth said...

Viv

That is unreal for people who the Pro's complaine about being gagged they certainly get their point out dont they...

Did yo get my e mail xxx

Anonymous said...

Hi Hope4You, hope you had a nice day at work :-)

I agree - by gloating about being a slack parent they are certainly not helping raise support for the McCanns, if that is what they think they are doing. In fact, all they are doing is drawing attention to how negligent and selfish the McCanns really WERE that night! (and other nights).

I am just amazed that anyone would dare, even over the internet, promote such barbaric ideas. The way that mother said "I'm not going to spend my life worrying about them" was so disrespectful and unfeeling toward her own children that it really did make me gasp! I know people like that exist, but to see it laid out in the written word is almost like an assault, I feel.

I can understand that person asking if this mother's children have been taken into in care. Considering that she basically boasts about losing them at a "fun park", if they're not in care, they bloody well should be!

Finally, I agree completely with what you said about raising awareness on behalf of the McCanns. It SHOULD be "whatever you do folks, don't EVER leave your kids on their own", but instead, it's "buy a Madeleine wrist-band at our online shop to help raise funds to "find" her, even though WE are going to then spend said "funds" on our mortgage!".

Bizarre!

Wizard said...

I was just checking out Joana Morais’ blog when I saw the video on the home page she is currently running. This raised an interesting point. The suggestion was made that the British government should have appointed a lawyer to look after Madeleine’s interests as she went missing abroad.

I wonder would this be a normal action if the victim of a crime was a minor and the guardians of that minor were the prime suspects in her disappearance.

The McCanns themselves are armed to the teeth with lawyers but that’s to oversee their interests. Madeleine has the pj but no neutral representative in Britain. The interests of the parents are not necessarily the same interests as Madeleine at this point in time.

Ana said...

Leigh ,

They are so clever that think that only the British press will report this ?
Well, Portuguese press , I sure , will report this too and as far as I am concern I will let you all know what has happen in those re-interviews if information available ,of course …

ta ra said...

Hi Hope (luv the name by the way),

Yup. My girl did escape Terminal 5 - the latest failure to afflict the UK, soon to be defended by commercial and political morons that fail to see the World laughs at them, doesn't believe them. PR disaster...just like Clarry the Clown and his spoilt brat nobody provincial wannabes.

Tsk. We will outlive these fools, Hopefortruth. I have no doubt about that.

It's just that they are a bore and a chore we must endure in order to have our happy lives :-)

Rosiepops said...

Just to let you know that personally I could not care less what any of you do on here. I have not made any abusive posts, so am not one bit worried, do what you like.

As far as abusive posts go, the DX have enough to hang the lot of you and can be made to hand them over, you may like to think about that.

I also have a lot of abusive posts saved myself, ones where people have referred to me as a paedophile, a terrorist a bully psycho that bullies my family and kills my pet dog, not to mentin whre I was refered to as a tart, prostitute and a Highway Whore and told to F*** Off by Alsabella - all saved. (and more)

Ring any bells Viv? It should some of them I got them from here!

I also have other abusive posts from Leigh3, notdoc, 2345, Zodiac, Onaclearday, Alsabella, Claudia etc

On here you can find these level of insults everywhere and not only that, you can find openly libellous statements where you viv (and others) have openly stated that the McCann's killed their daughter.

Ever heard fo that saying about people that live in "glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

Signed Me Rosipops under my own ID.

Di said...

Hi Hope

I had no idea Fiona Phillips was involved with the fund. What is her role.

hope4truth said...

Bianca

Do parents ever stop worrying about their chidren? My Mum is a pain ( a loving pain) and is always checking we are ok (and god forbid I loose one of her grandaughters) My Nan was the same till the day she died allways asking if we were ok...

It is a damn pain at time bringing up children but it is the kind of pain I will miss when they no longer need me and for 99% of the time it is the most wonderful thing I could ever do...

I havent finished yet I am on my way to a meeting so will be back later (you may be in bed by then?)...

Take care and thanks for the post this morning if that woman is for real she should be ashamed...

xxx

hope4truth said...

Wizard

Excelent point re lawyer for Madeleine as her parents say she is missing someone needs to be speaking for her she is a British Subject...

xxx

ta ra said...

Hi Ana,

It's fascinating to hear from Portugal, our old ally.
x

hope4truth said...

Hello Di

I am not sure she is now I have posted it but I am sure she was involved with the set up of it...

Anyone know??? xxx

hope4truth said...

RP

"Signed Me Rosipops under my own ID"

Well there is a first time for everything.

Ana said...

Leigh3 ,

yes we are :)

ta ra said...

Whoa Rosiepops!

Mind how you go. Be careful what you wish for.

You were a shocking bully on the DE site.

IMO, you were Madame Rosiepops, the leader of the House of ILL Repute, leading a girl gang into attacking and demeaning anyone who disagreed with your version of events, your 100% defence of self-confessed child neglectors.

Madeleine Beth McCann is dead, thanks to the self-serving, whining self-indulgence of people like you.

So sue me, you stupid thing, and see what you get then. You'll get what you deserve. Bet on it.

hope4truth said...

Nearly ALL

I am off see you all later xxx

ta ra said...

Ana,

Yes we are :-), may it ever be so.

Unknown said...

Hiya all

I just found a really helpful article from the Daily Express which sums up the current situation really well, I think:


MADELEINE: MCCANNS FEAR CHARGES SOON



DEMANDS: Police want Kate's diary

Wednesday January 9,2008
By David Pilditch Have your say(1118)
KATE and Gerry McCann fear they will be charged over daughter Madeleine’s disappearance as Portuguese police begin the final phase of their bid to put the couple on trial.

Sources close to the couple yesterday said they feared that after months of apparent inactivity, the investigation had developed a new momentum which appeared to be directed solely at proving the McCanns are guilty.

A formal request demanding fresh interrogations and the seizure of Kate’s diary and Madeleine’s Cuddle Cat toy was sent from the prosecutors office on the Algarve on Monday and will be immediately served on Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

She will then pass it to Leicestershire police – possibly as early as tomorrow.

A source close to the family yesterday revealed: “Kate and Gerry insist they are innocent but they fear they will be charged.

“Naturally Kate and Gerry are concerned that if this line of inquiry continues to its natural conclusion, charges are always a possibility and they know that’s entirely wrong.”

He added: “The Portuguese police seem to be blinkered in their approach and it feels like they want to find the McCanns guilty regardless.” The Portuguese dossier contains up to 100 questions that detectives want answered by the McCanns and their friends they had dinner with – known as the Tapas Nine – on May 3 last year, the night Madeleine vanished.

Leaks claim police have identified a number of “inconsistencies” among their statements and it has been claimed two of the group Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien want to change their accounts – something the pair have denied.

Portuguese detectives will fly to the UK in the coming days to sit in on the interviews which will be carried out by officers from Leicestershire police.





Investigators also believe entries in Kate’s diary – in which she allegedly revealed how she was struggling to cope with her three hyperactive children – prove she killed her daughter.

Police sources on the investigation are reported to have revealed that blood found in Kate and Gerry’s flat and hire car has been confirmed as belonging to their missing daughter.

They said fresh tests prove the parents were involved in her death and the disposal of her body.

ta ra said...

Hello Wizard,

Was going to comment on Joana's excellent point posted by you, but got distracted by the McCann Machine mouthpiece, Roseipops. Tsk. That's how they work. Anyhoooo...

Joana makes an excellent point, I agree. However, UK taxpayers do not always get what they pay for because UK taxpayers are genteel types, generally speaking; they don't like to make a fuss; don't like to call anyone to account. Not nice, is it?

That's why manipulators and bullies trample on good, honest, kind UK folk, in my opinion. Such bullies know that ordinary people are easily intimidated, and manipulated.

Eh, Rosiepops? Play on. See you in court, Clarry et al.

Ana said...

Rosipops,

"Ever heard fo that saying about people that live in "glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"

Ever heard fo that saying about :
"the worst blind is the one that doesn`t wanna see "

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

You have no abusive posts from me. As for you are oh so innocent, rubbish you made me feel sick with a post you made regarding Robert Murat on the DE, I replied to you and could not even copy and paste or repeat any of the post you made as I would not want my name associated with the content. You sound so desperate, IMHO. Now what was it you were hinting would happen on the 11th or is it the 14th April 08?

Joe said...

Re Rosiepops post 15.58
Quote:As far as abusive posts go, the DX have enough to hang the lot of you and can be made to hand them over, you may like to think about that.

How dare this woman patronize posters on this or any other forum. People post of their own volition and should take responsibility for what they post. I can only assume that she is paid to try and shape peoples opinion or she is a relative of the family in question. Nobody would really be that concerned re comments or posts unless she was taking them personally. Her moral rectitude is becoming tedious. The few times that I posted on the DX it was dominated by Mum21 and Rosie, and one posted in fear of retribution if the post was contrary to their views. What if we are all proved correct in our assumptions?

ta ra said...

Dear Joe,

Tedious, it is, but that is what we must endure on the world weird web, I guess. It's an experiment for the media; an opportunity to reach out to readers, listeners, and viewers - and hope that they will defend their right to freedom of speech, a democratic right which is much misunderstood and much manipulated.

The public are absolutely brilliant, in my opinion. The public fear no one when they can speak collectively, without fear or favour.

The public are much feared by manipulators and teeny, tiny, tiresome politicos. Tsk. Tiresome, they are. We must hold them to account, for they are PAID with our money to do our WILL.

Yet we are so busy leading our own lives that we do not hold them to account, so now they treat us like serfs...eh, Clarry? Not this time.

Zodiac: have no fear. Fear is what bullies and liars use to subjugate others; they are morons.

Sue me, and they will get what they deserve. Go on, rosiepops. Do it. If it's not me, it will be someone else. You lot will appear in libel court, I have no doubt of that.

Game on. You chose to play the game. Now you must play the game.

Wizard said...

Re: Joana’s point

I was thinking the Leicestershire police could be the people responsible for Madeleine’s interests but they are compromised due to their involvement and help they gave apparently to the parents. Whilst the parents remain prime suspects the Leicestershire police cannot speak for Madeleine imo. However, they are the ones to requestion the witnesses in this case. The merging of interests could be detrimental to Madeleine’s interests. I would go so far as to say another area police force should have been called in to question the witnesses to ensure complete impartiality.

ta ra said...

Ana,

Excellent. 'None so blind as those who will not see.'

We see, and we will not be blinded by threats.

Portugal, our ally, as always.

2345 said...

Hope4truth,

It's enlightening to read back on google articles, news and comments prior to and after status was imposed. PJ's intentions were clearly to arrest McCanns, but politicial intervention stopped it.

In Times & Telegraphs McCanns said they would appointed lawyers on return home to quickly clear their names. Instead, outlaws, Metado 3were hand picked to 'defend' McCanns.

McCanns also stated that would return and assist PJ; most recent report is their lawyers telling Prosecutor they will NOT co-operate or answer Police questions.

McCanns habitually say one thing and do the opposite; their behaviour speaks as loudly as PJ's dossier of evidence.

The McCanns were at liberty to clear their names months ago ...
strange they've yet to start appropriate legal proceedings to this end.

Unknown said...

WHAT HAPPENED TO KODIAK..IF YOU ARE READING HERE IS A TRIBUTE TO YOU...WELL SAID!

ROSIEPOPS
10.01.08, 12:08am
You are paranoid about Portugal. Okay heres the thing. You need to do a survey about British tourists who have visited Portugal and find out just how many of them fell foul of the PJ and were "accused of something they did not do" and why is it I have friends in London who go year after year to Portugal for their vacation and totally love the country and the people there. They have never been subjected to the things you suggest. I think you have McCannitus and maybe a visit to a therapist will help you with your fears and obvious paranoid. Cheers
• Posted by: Kodiak

Anonymous said...

Leigh3,

I have no fear especially from bullies they thrive on it.

I believe that child neglect is not acceptable at any level and I will not compromise my morals for anyone, especially supporters of child neglectors. M is the only victim as far as I am concerned, the moment her parents chose to leave their 3 little children in the circumstances they did was the moment they destroyed whatever reputations they felt they had. What are they actually doing to try and find their daughter?
Bullying and threats will not stop the inevitable.

Ana said...

Leigh3

'None so blind as those who will not see.'

sound much better , thank you :)

Unknown said...

Hiya 2345

If political interference stopped the McCanns being prosecuted can you please explain what the Portuguese Police are doing here??

Viv x

ta ra said...

Wizard,

Fair point: could Leics police be compromised by proximity to the McCanns?

However, there is one UK charity founded and run by the British police. It is called Child Victims of Crime.

When the McCanns and their friends ran back to this country, no doubt expecting refuge, they ran into the lion's den, in my view.

UK Police have one emotional priority only: children.

Yes, there are bad people in every organisation, including the police, but there is the silent majority; the sort of people who persist with awkward questions, and await answers.

Silence speaks volumes. Rancid rhetoric speaks of guilt.

There's the very British middle way where truth speaks quietly, and briefly.

Portugal and Britain will speak with one quiet, simple voice, in time, I think. Time will tell. Time tells all if the public persist, and insist on honest inquiry, perhaps.

I hope you don't mind me saying this, Wizard, but I always enjoyed your posts on DE, and here.

Persist, and hope for the best. Maybe that's all we taxpaying, hardworking 'serfs' can do :-) !

Unknown said...

Leigh

I do not mind you saying you enjoyed Wizard's posts and always have done, so do I!

Great to read you all.

Wizard has a lot of interesting views of the case that I find particularly fascinating..complex human behaviours and the motivation for them.

Viv xxx

ta ra said...

Ana,

It sounded just fine as you wrote it. I just translated it :-)
Leigh

Anonymous said...

I think the pros are getting desperate as the time approaches for the Tapas 9 to be called to account for their actions on that night. The Leicestershire police will be asking the questions yes, but they will have been advised of what the PJ's want answered.

Rosiepops can rant and rave as much as she likes - this is a free country and we are as much entitled to express our opinions on any case that is printed in our newspapers, as she and her entourage are on theirs. As for saying some of us on here have accused the McCanns of killing Madeleine - that is a blatant lie. People have put forward theories of what could have happened which is the reason for our debate. Nobody has stated categorically that the McCanns killed their daughter - none of us really know the truth of what happened to Madeleine, but it is only right and proper that little child has someone in her corner to find out how and why she disappeared - in other words:

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

2345 said...

Felicity,

Are you able to categorically confirmed PJ have arrived as there's been no official news.

Whether they have or haven't, McCanns lawyers have told the Prosecutor they will NOT answer any questions. So it seems the prime suspects are still dictating
terms.

Last report from Portugal was PJ were preparing to arrive in early March for a minumum two month stay to interview all those they wished to speak to including CM.

I'm always mindful of media/manipulation and spin ....
hopefully PJ have arrived but who can definitely confirm it ??

Last unsubstantiated reported was that Paulao Rebelo wanted it 'wrapped on' by 11th April - contrary to Portuguese news -
11th April was date given by Rosiepops for lifting of arguido status.

Anonymous said...

I often wonder why people who have been charged and punished for leaving their young children indoors while they go out socialising - the same as the Tapas 9 did - have not appealed against conviction citing as their reason the fact that the middle class Tapas 9 have never been charged with abandonment since being interviewed by the UK Social Services -

ta ra said...

Zodiac,
I never doubt your courage, and commitment to honest inquiry. I hope you have faith in mine also.

As 2345 says: united we stand.

The 21st Century of the world weird web can benefit mankind, or it can be manipulated mercilessly in the interests of bare faced liars.

Old style 20th Century politics and manipulators think they can use the internet to threaten the people, people like us, people who think and feel, and ask awkward questions.

They are as wrong as Stalin. He got away with it; killed millions of kulaks, private farmers.

There was no apology or amends from power brokers who profited from the cynical alliance between Stalin and the West.

There will be no apology from power brokers when the truth about Madeleine Beth McCann, the truth about neglected or abused children is told in the 21st Century.

Power brokers move on. Only kind hearts defend the weak, however long it takes, whatever it costs.

One child is every child.

So sue me, Rosiepops and Clarry. Serve the writ or feck off.

BTW: the Press presses on, 24/7.

Anonymous said...

Nancy 17.12pm,

Well said, my thoughts also.

Ana said...

Rosipops is furious just because pj is coming when she has assured her friends that that would never happen, she is afraid that her reputation , as a leader of a cult, is now under zero …
Just let her say what she wants , her words are Useless , even for those who use to believe her ...

Anonymous said...

Leigh3,

I have no doubts regarding your commitment, I applaud it. I am really getting p'd off with libel threats. Is this all M has become a libel threat to anyone who dares to say, I do not support the neglect subjected to that child and her siblings by her parents. Is the American Social Worker going to be threatened with suing. They can 'sue the pants off me' if they want, cos all they will get is my pants.

ta ra said...

Nancy 17.12

I hope you write the same to the Police, your local M.P., the NSPCC, and your M.E.P.

It is not right that the McCanns and their holiday friends were given preferential treatment by the UK Government,and therefore, they were given preferential treatment by the UK media.


The UK Government and child protection agencies need your support, and encouragement, imo.

The police will do their job, even if the public lack gratitude,imo.

Unknown said...

Hiya 2345

I dont know whether they are here or they arrive in a few days, nothing turns on the precise timing, does it? The point is if there was genuine political motivatio to stop the McCanns being prosecuted, and I cannot for the life of me think why, the Portuguese Police simply would not be allowed to come here to continue their investigation.

You say that by refusing to answer police questions, the McCanns are still dictating terms. That is your interpretation. My own is that they behave the same as the minority of criminal suspects behave when faced with very serious charges for which they have no answer.

Dr Shipman turned his chair away from the police when being interviewed. Nobody forcefully turned him back, that would have been oppressive. No one will try and force Kate and Gerry McCann to answer questions they do not wish to answer but... Dr Shipman was quite rightfully convicted of the 15 specimen murder charges that were laid against him, details of which he did not wish to discuss. If that is what you call dictating terms...(!).

We no longer have the Star Chamber!



Viv x

hope4truth said...

Hello ALL

Has the strange lady gone away???

I guess we will never know if SS visited the other negletful parnents when they returned from PDL as it would be confidential... Can you imagine being caught doing such a terrible thing and having to face your neighbours and work collegues???

But every parent on that holiday who left a child alone is equally as guilty of neglect.

What kind of message does this send out to people who are easily lead will they think oh if it is ok for them it is ok for me?

Children first they need us to be there for them not out in a bar where we cant hear them cry.

ta ra said...

Ana 17.22 and Zodiac 17.24.

I agree with you both, and...

It is offensive that two spoilt brat parents can leave 3 infants alone in a foreign apartment, night after night, and call this 'responsible parenting', as Gerrymandering does.

Their friends, family and advisers will be interviewed by the British police, assisting the Portuguese police who will be present.

No point questioning the McCanns again; they won't answer. That's a waste of time, and money.

All the rest of them are 'witnesses' under Portuguese law; they must answer every question or be named arguidos, 'suspects', with all that implies.

If they are not named as arguidos for failing to answer honest questions, then they will be placed under suspicion in a very British way :-)

This takes as long as it takes, however long it takes.

Liars will be revealed in the sad case of missing Madeleine Beth McCann, I think. God keep her soul.

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops has post Alsabella telling her to F** off! Tee hee heee she should try to sue her for that. Once PJ see Rosiepops says about them, they give Alsabella a big party and many kisses! And Rosiepops get many tickets while in Portugal.

2345 said...

Felicity,

As the aim of McCanns and associates is to have arguidos status lifted, do you think they will then demand an apology from the Police and/or compensation ?

If so, do you think DE set a precedent with apology and alleged award for damages ?

Have other prime suspects in an ongoing criminal investigation ever sued a newspaper in a case where evidence of death exists on Police files ?

Anonymous said...

The self-proclaimed "pros" cheer her on to annoy you because they are spiteful but in the end have no respect for her or her rants.

Monday, 31 March 2008 14:08:00 o'clock BST

___________________________________

Wrong - they have a great deal of respect for her. As do I.

Anonymous said...

The self-proclaimed "pros" cheer her on to annoy you because they are spiteful but in the end have no respect for her or her rants.

Monday, 31 March 2008 14:08:00 o'clock BST

___________________________________

Wrong - they have a great deal of respect for her. As do I.

hope4truth said...

2345

I think apologies are a good way to try and put things right...

Do you think any of these neglectful parents have apologised for putting their children in such grave danger. Or anyone has apologised to Madeleine for the terror she went/is going through?

I sure as hell would not be looking forward to the day my children found out just how much they ment to me on holiday. xxx

Anonymous said...

Arepa was a pro-mole

Read this:

Arepa....I pointed out the stars to you and all you saw was my finger! said...
Thanks all who commented. Rosie, you ask of the father of my children..I later found that sandra was one of many!!! He has not helped or contributed in any way.
I only told my story to show that these things have a way of hurting the kids of those accused far more than the people accused, and long after there will always be someone who will repeat the juicier version even if not true. The children of the McCanns are in for a bumpy ride and its so unfair. children cam be so cruel especially egged on by ignorant adults. The smears against the McCanns can only be stopped to an extent, the damage is already done.There is a saying in the bible...the sins of the fathers will be visited upon the sons..its so true. I feel desperately sorry for the hell the twins willno doubt go through as they get older.
The only way I can see this not turning on to the kids is if the McCanns actually sue the P.J.

31 March 2008 17:49

Anonymous said...

Anon
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Anonymous said...
No, you read this blog because no one posts on yours. All morning 14 posts! Te he he

Monday, 31 March 2008 14:11:00 o'clock BST
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Are you really that stupid!!! You have seen how many posts there are on the other blog normally. A bad day on that blog is usually an excellent one here.

As soon as the Alsabella cronies go back to Alsabella's, you'll probably be chatting to yourself on here.

hope4truth said...

Nick no need to post it twice dear we read it the first time how nice a pat on the head for a fellow poster...

Is it true your site has printed an article on the joy of child neglect?

I pity any children with neglectful parents.

Anonymous said...

areepa is also doubting thomas. see her 2nd last and last posts on rosies site. knew she was a plant.

hope4truth said...

Nick

Oh so you dont think Alsabella is running scared then you know she will be back.

It will be lovely to see her again.

hope4truth said...

She really said that the McCanns should sue the PJ???

What for? Not telling them on the coach to the apartments that it is an evil thing to neglect your children?

Poor Madeleine is nothing to these idiots but her parents are saints poor child

Anonymous said...

Rosie was quick to delete areepas post.Caught out at last.

Anonymous said...

This shows the game they are playing. They care nothing about Madeleine Beth. They are disgusting. What evil people they are.

ta ra said...

Yes, but no, but really...

Is someone posting as 'nick'?

Hilarious. Nick, nick. You're lot will be nicked.

Is there no end to these people's Freudian slips?!

I also see an anonymouse has arrived. Cheese. Fetch! Do share with King Rat. You know how he likes to be served by his little mice.

Ah, Viv. How do you tolerate them? I'd call the Council pest control, and get shot of them :-)

Ta ra for now, Hope and Viv :-)

McCann mechanics are working overtime for pittance; cheese money perhaps?

Must go for now. See you soon!
Leigh
xo

Anonymous said...

Anon,

Is this the only way you can think of to argue with Rosie and co? Accusing her of being Arepa

You lot are so pathetic I wouldn't be surprised if you even knew what time of the day it is.

Time to get a life.

Anonymous said...

Dear Leigh

I am also anonymous because I do not believe in providing personal data on the internet but please do not associate me with the evil likes of those self-proclaimed pro-mercenaries. They are truly evil people. It scares me to know they walk down the same streets we do looking normal.

Anonymous said...

No one said rosie is Arepa. Doubting Thomas is areepa.

Anonymous said...

No one said rosie is Arepa. Doubting Thomas is areepa.

Anonymous said...

That Rosiepops mercenaries has been caught out. She does not care about Madeleine Beth. She is a hateful spiteful racist IMO and her only purpose on the blogs is to bully and create confusion. Under the name of Arepa she has posted many vile things probably trying to get the other blogs closed by Google.

Anonymous said...

That Rosiepops mercenaries has been caught out. She does not care about Madeleine Beth. She is a hateful spiteful racist IMO and her only purpose on the blogs is to bully and create confusion. Under the name of Arepa she has posted many vile things probably trying to get the other blogs closed by Google.

Anonymous said...

That Rosiepops mercenaries has been caught out. She does not care about Madeleine Beth. She is a hateful spiteful racist IMO and her only purpose on the blogs is to bully and create confusion. Under the name of Arepa she has posted many vile things probably trying to get the other blogs closed by Google.

Anonymous said...

Leigh,

You sound awfully annoyed these days, and I haven't heard your annoying catchphrase.

Why is that? I wonder.

Anonymous said...

All quiet next door. Must be in a conference now they've been found out.

2345 said...

Felicity,

I understand what you're saying but Dr Shipman did not have any option other than face Police questioning. He couldn't back out of this procedure - his lack of co-operation did not help his case.

The impression given with McCanns is that they will NOT meet PJ for re-questioning here or in Portugal despite the fact Kate failed to co-operate six months ago.

I understood that legally, McCanns will not be forced to face requestioning despite them being prime suspects.

Shipman's refusal to co-operate was to his detriment, whereas McCanns' refusal to co-operate six months ago seems to have ensured they will not be requestioned by the Police.

Based on your explanation of Shipman's case, why are McCanns not legally obliged to face re-questioning ? I'm sure if Shipman needed two rounds of questioning he wouldn't have been given any choice, if needs be he would have been arrested.

Whether or not he co-operated is another matter - he would have been made to face as many questions as Police deemed necessary. Not so, it seems, in the McCann case !!!

Hence my conclusion - McCann lawyers, not PJ are dictating procedures.

Anonymous said...

After reading 2345's post, I can only imagine the dirt the wonder couple must have on some of the powerful to have them by the balls in that way.

ta ra said...

18.18 Anonymous,

I don't think of you as the other anonymice. You speak for Madeleine Beth McCann, not child neglectors.

Sorry if my words appeared to suggest otherwise.

The good news: the PJ are coming to the UK, and they will be assisted by our police.

The child neglectors always said this would not happen, and tried to bully the public into submission.

The child neglectors, their friends, their advisers, their political and media contacts will all be made to answer for their actions.

Excellent :-)
See you next time.

Anonymous said...

Hello, can anyone please tell me how I can contact Alsabella? Or get a message to her?

Anonymous said...

Oh dear, New poster Doubting Thomas on Rosidrops site has been posting since the day after Areepa episode. On her first day of posting she said she had been in a similar situation as mccanns, as in, being accused of something she never Did. Any way today she told everyone on Rosis the situation she was in. After a few comments from the pros she came back and said thankyou for the comments but she forgot to sign in as doubting thomas and signed in as areepa. which was of course quickly deleted. Whoops.

2345 said...

Felicity,

Sorry to keep asking questions !

Has date of PJ's arrival been officially released or is it Forum hearsay ?

2345 said...

anonymous,

Hilarious .... as the saying goes, liars need good memories !!

ta ra said...

Hi 2345,

Must go, but saw your question, and here's one answer, not the definitive one because this case crosses legal boundaries.

Whatever the theory, the reality is that there is no point in questioning the McCanns again at this point. They are arguidos, under Portuguese law. They have the right to silence, and they will use it, as we can see by their actions, contrary to their contrived public declarations made by their paid mouthpiece Clarence Mitchell.

They will not answer any more questions because Portuguese law affords them that right under arguido status.

Interestingly, everyone else connected with this case can be questioned unconditionally.

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey. Anyone attempting to dictate to the police or Interpol will be turned upside down by their very long tail...or tale :-), I think.

Gotta go. See you next time.

Anonymous said...

2345, isn't it interesting that when Arepa first posted bile on their blog they were so offended, yet now they cover up the fact that she slipped and revealed herself with a totally different story? I have no doubt she is one of them. They are evil.

2345 said...

Anonymouse,

The FACTS in this case are indeed dark and very sinister as Eddie & Keela confirmed last July.

Nevertheless, I have the right along with everyone else to support the Police, law and order.
It's called morality; laws and the right to free speech are part of democracy.

hope4truth said...

Anon that is not a pain

Could you not put a letter or nick name (I will regret that as I sugested that to one anon and they signed in as Nick but hey at least it has a sense of humor at the end of your post...

Just so we know which anon is on x

2345 said...

anonymous,

It seems highly likely there are three people sitting side by side posting under three different ID's at the same time. This is why they get in such a muddle !!!

docmac in particular is brilliant at detecting who's who by grammar, terminology etc.

Anonymous said...

Are there any Portuguese posters reading?

hope4truth said...

2345

It was on GMTV that they are coming on the 7th I think (next week anyway)...

If any of them refuse to answer a single question then they could not give a damn about what happend to Madeleine or know full well. Shame on the lot of them if they dont children deserve Love and Truth x

Anonymous said...

:-( I am invisible.

atardi said...

Hi Viv,

I hope you're busy with a new headline. The site is getting very slow.

Hope4truth,

Hope you had a nice working day.

Leigh3,

You are really in form today. Keep representing foreign voices.
Glad your daughter finally got on the plane!

About Arepa,

I remember Arepa posting on Alsabella's site.Never felt comfortable raeding her posts. Made a comment about the meaning of arepa in my language. I think that was my last comment too on Alsabella's site.

Dolores,

Hope you had a lovely weekend with your mother and relatives.

hope4truth said...

Mummy

I dont thinnk any portuguise posters are here at the moment you could contact Viv and she will pass it on...

Check back and she may leave her e mail address for you...

Anonymous said...

Thank you Hope4truth.

atardi said...

2345 said...

anonymous,

Hilarious .... as the saying goes, liars need good memories !!

Monday, 31 March 2008 18:51:00 o'clock BST

________________________________

;)

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Had a great day thanks am very tiered was up late on here last night...

What does arepa mean? If you dont want to repeat it here e mail it to me if you dont mind LOL xxx

What have you been up to??? x

hope4truth said...

Mummy

No problem

Di said...

Hi all

Oh dear, schools out I see, nothing changes.

Leigh

Your earlier post, totally agree, the other site have always said, the PJs are not coming, so wake up.

Well, as we have always said...

THEY ARE COMING.........and now... THEY are running around like headless chickens.

2345 said...

hope4truth,

GMTV - many thanks - radio troll's highly unreliable !!

Anonymous said...

Maybe Alsabella is spendng this week collecting case notes and preparing for the 7th.

atardi said...

Hope,

Arepa on Alsabella's blog reminded me of a poster on Viv's blog. Sweet talks and prepared to attack when the moment is right.

I may be very wrong.

Docmac, are you around? You can send Viv an e-mail and she will send it to me.

Hope,had the longest monday ever this year. Will have the longest tuesday ever tomorrow.

hope4truth said...

Atardi

Oh I see...

Why such long days???

I am going to try and get to bed at a good time last night xxx

Di said...

Anon

Good point...

For the PROSECUTION IMO.........

Anonymous said...

Di
Exactly, and if so what a clever way to get a 'true' reflection of public feeling.

hope4truth said...

Atardi

I am more tiered than i thought that should have said I am goint to try and get to bed at a good time tonight not last night x

atardi said...

Hope,

Tomorrow my pupils will be doing charity work at a home for elderly.

They will make music, give them a make-over and go for a walk and chat with them. During the morning and the afternoon.

Di said...

aNON

Ditto

hope4truth said...

Atardi

I remeber you saying they would be doing that.

I bet you all have a really good day the elderly people will love it as well...

Will they give you a make over as well (I am not sugesting you are elderly) LOL xxx

Anonymous said...

rosi is thinking of planning a march or an all night vigil for pj coming. Anyone got a mini to fit them all in and take them. te he he

Anonymous said...

Mummy

There is at least a Portuguese poster reading you but unable to help.
I am sure Viv will pass on your appeal and also, it is very likely that Alasabella or Claudia will read this blog.

Município

Anonymous said...

or a bicycle made for 2

Anonymous said...

DI

Pj are coming but don't use fireworks yet. This may be just a formality before lifting the arguidos status and shelving the case.
PJ have no power to do anything more: they don't have the means or the support.

The McCanns have won the war a long time ago. PJ have lost it since day one. Actually, since minute one.

municipio

atardi said...

Hope,

It's for elderly with dementia. One thing they appreciate is being touched. They love it.

My pupils do believe I'm old but they know I can still manage things on my own.

Are you also looking forward to the 7th of april?

Anonymous said...

municpio
you say the macs have won the war. They have lost a daughter. And it might have helped if they had called the police at minute one.

Niki said...

Hi Atardi! Long days again!?!
Thank you for your post on Saturday and congratulation with your husbound! With your daughter bringing the trophy home too!!

To who it might concern: I'm sorry for the times I don't reply to posts directed to me... Before I get my greek/norwegian out of my head and manage to think and write (anyway, try to write!) in english, the subject has been changed...

Niki

Di said...

Anon

Let's wait and see.

3As have a very interesting conversation regarding the 10th Tapa..

I am sure there is far more to this case than meets the eye.

If the case is shelved, plenty of people will talk, they are just taking their time.....

Catch you all tomorrow.

Bye for now

hope4truth said...

Non Anoying Anon

Exactly they have lost their daughter and many people all over the world will doubt that they did not have something to do with it for the rest of their lives beacuse of their very strange behaviour..

Madeleine is missing whatever happend they neglected her and they have to live with the fact that they are partly responsible for her being missing...

If she was taken by a sick peadophile may he rot in hell but they will always know they let her down 3 years old and they were to far away to hear her cry.

Niki said...

Maddy cops to quiz Kingston doctor
Comment

Madeleine disappeared from Praia da Luz on May 3
A Kingston doctor who dined with Kate and Gerry McCann the night their daughter Maddy went missing will be re-interviewed by police.

Portuguese officers visit the UK next week to sit in while officers from Leicestershire Constabulary interview friends of the McCanns.

Dr Matthew Oldfield, a consultant endocrinologist at Kingston Hospital, and his wife Rachael will be among the seven questioned.

The McCanns, whose four-year-old daughter Madeleine disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year, will not be interviewed.

A spokeswoman for the British force said: "Leicestershire Constabulary will be coordinating the execution of the request for mutual legal assistance made by the Portuguese authorities.

"The Portuguese authorities have asked that the contents of the request and the way it is being executed be kept confidential so as not to prejudice their ongoing investigation."

advertisementIt is almost 11 months since Maddy disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz.

Kate and Gerry, both 39, from Rothley, Leics, remain arguidos - formal suspects - in the case.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' family spokesman, said: "Kate and Gerry and their friends have long expected this visit by Portuguese police officers and it comes as no surprise that some reports in the Portuguese papers in the last few days have been speculating about the arrival date.

"I am not in a position to confirm any dates or give any details about the re-interviewing of the friends and all matters will have to go to Leicestershire police.

"However, Kate and Gerry and their friends welcome the police interviews. The friends are more than happy to co-operate fully, as are Kate and Gerry, although in this case Kate and Gerry will not be interviewed.

"This has not been requested but Kate and Gerry would have agreed to answer any questions had the police wished to put anything to them."

http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/kingstonnews/display.var.2159955.0.maddy_cops_to_quiz_kingston_doctor.php

Anonymous said...

Municipio.

Won the war? Missing child at stake!!!.From minute one parents behaviour has been obscene. If the case is dropped people in PDL at the time will talk, sworn to silence at the moment but that will change if what you suggest materialises.

Anonymous said...

Re: silence of NSPCC, Social Workers etc - has anyone seen the new ad for the NSPCC being shown on Sky?

It shows a toddler left alone in a cot, standing up, crying and no-one attending to him.

Is this their way of telling the public its no okay to leave your toddlers alone?

I have to say the McCanns' public proclamations AS DOCTORS that leaving 3 children under 4 alone night after night gives an extremely bad example and puts public education about child protection back years.

Anonymous said...

Anon

I am aware people will talk in PDL. Lots of people will talk.
This is not going to change the outcome: this case was lost for PJ even before they got to the flat, even before they met the parents. It has been decided there was no case and so it shall be. I know it's tough to swallow but just wait and see.

Municipio

hope4truth said...

Penelope

Maybe when all this is over and they have been charged or they have had their Arguido status lifted the NSPCC will talk out against what has happend.

If the NSPCC do not tell idiot parents that this is what can happen when you dont protect your child as you should do what is the point of the organisation?

Maybe they cant comment on individual cases but they can talk in general about this tradgedy..

The Pros seem to think that all that is important are G&K being found inocent and that Madeline was abducted this is not important at all they are at home the fact they are suspects really makes no odds lots of people would have their own views anyway.

The Hell of not knowing what had happend to their daughter cant posibly be any worse than being suspects the guilt of what they have done by leaving her must be tearing them apart..

Let the Pros worry about the parents but god forbid if my child is ever missing please dont worry about me keep my child in your heart and worry about her as she will be the one going through sheer hell...

xxx

Anonymous said...

Municipio

Are you in a round about way trying to tell us that British Government has decided the outcome of this case?

Unknown said...

Hiya Niki

Just got back and have not read back posts yet but thanks very much for the report in Kingston Gazette.

Mat Oldfield, as I am sure most people will know is the one that claimed he checked the McCann children at 9.30 but is uncertain whether or not he saw Madeleine with one report indicating he only listened at the door. Rachel Oldfield is one of three including Dr Russell O'Brien and Dr Fiona Payne that claim they saw Murat hanging around immediately after Madeleine's disappearance. Those three were called back to PDL in July to deal with "inconsistencies" in their statements and for a confrontation between them and Murat, observed by PJ. In spite of this Police still wish to quiz them again. No doubt the Police do not believe their accounts, and neither do I.

Viv x

atardi said...

Hey Niki,

So nice to see you online,

Duaghter still thinks it was a "normal" thing to do. Winning the trohy.

Yes a very long day tomorrow but be sure I won't stay at the eldery home :).

You are doing so well with your English. I have the same problem thinking in 2 or 3 languages before the English words reach me.

But we are here for one thing.

Justice for Madeleine.

Read you tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Anon

Governments have the power and the means. If the British government is involved, so is the Portuguese, IMO. You must be 2 for tango.

Municipio

Anonymous said...

I see the dx is up and running again

hope4truth said...

Atardi

All children think their teachers are old I know I am old when I meet their teachers and think they look a couple of years older than my children x

Wizard said...

Good Evening All,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/mar/31/internationalcrime

Today the Guardian published an article by Amber Marks a Criminal lawyer on the effectiveness of sniffer dogs. Worth a look at on the link above.

Of course she couldn’t resist, in this rather long article,a mention of the McCanns saying…………

"The suspicion generated by an alert from a sniffer dog is difficult to dissipate, as the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the supposed "scent of death" illustrates. Three months after Madeleine's disappearance, dog handler Martin Grime (then working for South Yorkshire police, now for Jersey police on a freelance basis in the search for human remains at Haut de la Garenne) flew out to Portugal to help review case evidence. He was accompanied by his "advanced dog" Eddie. Up until then, corpse-detection dogs had only ever been used in this country to help the police to locate human remains. Eddie the dog reportedly reacted to Mrs McCann's clothing. Almost overnight, the McCanns turned from victims into suspects, and the crowds who had surrounded them in support began to boo and jeer at them in the street. Seemingly as a result of the dog's reactions, the Portuguese police made the McCanns official suspects."

Wizard said...

Apologies my previous link had the end missing should have read:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/mar/31/internationalcrime

hope4truth said...

Just reading the DX and cant stop laughing there is a poster calling themselves crosseyeyedlion LOL...

Thank you whoever you are x

atardi said...

Hope,

The teenagers I work with 15/16 think you are really old when you're 30 or older.

So I am really ols according to them.

hope4truth said...

Atardi

LOL I used to worry about being 20 now I am 37 I dont care anymore x

Niki said...

Hi Viv!

Thought it was reliving to read this from the above article:

"The Portuguese authorities have asked that the contents of the request and the way it is being executed be kept confidential so as not to prejudice their ongoing investigation."

Which also means that the witnesses are not allowed to communicate with the suspects, or am I wrong?

Niki

Unknown said...

Hiya Wizard

Amber Marks, criminal defence lawyer for a guess, practising her art here, no doubt about that!

Her rather derisory review of Eddie's capabilities, do not match up to what he actually achieves, including in Jersey.

It is rather odd to state the McCanns were made arguidos purely because of the dog, could it be article is purely about this and she really does not want to consider what else the police have or may have?

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Hi Viv and people!

Reading DE also: £ 500 000 more to cash in after the comments.
I wonder why the newspaper who declared the parents innocent doesn`t use the full CM words as in Joana's blog he is quoted saying:


"We hope that the police will realise there is no evidence to link Kate and Gerry with Madeleine's disappearance in any way and that they will be rapidly eliminated from the inquiry and the arguido status, which was imposed too hastily as the head of the Portuguese police admitted, will be lifted as soon as possible."


Viv, any ideas why DE misses that part?
Thanks.

tubby nuts

Unknown said...

Hiya Niki

I think you are reading that wrong. It means they do not want Leicester Police to brief the media with precise details of where and when the interviews will take place.

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Hail tubby nuts
Hail tubby nuts
Hail tubby nuts,

(Just in case you though we had forgotten about you)

:-)

Unknown said...

Hiya Tubby Nuts

Great to hear from you again.


I dont know whether it is because I have not read the article in the DE or whether my brain is currently a big fogged but I just dont understand your post!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv,

Sorry!
My quotation on previous post is from Joana Morais blog. It is the "best" part of CM speech. I am just surprised DE doesn't use it as it sounds sooooooooooo much in accordance of declaring official suspects "innocent" as they had to do!

Thanks again

tubby nuts

Anonymous said...

Good evening Viv,Atardi and all

Thank you again for the interesting article and all the posts. Hope, the poster you have mentioned, is a respected poster on the 3 A's as well.

I have not had the time to read everything here, but wil catch up soon.
I hope you are all well,Take care

Unknown said...

Thanks Tubby Nuts

I do now undertand your point.

I guess the DE will now print precisely what they want to print, within reason.. Whilst hitherto, they may have been prepared to include statements from Clarence Mitchell, in the interests of balance and fairness, now they have fell out, big time, he can go and get lost!

~Another example, I guess how personality disorder can be so counter-productive..

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Hi Southerncross

Thanks for that I will read their posts the name has really made me laugh xxx

Anonymous said...

Tubby,
Good to see you are well,
When will you be back?

Niki said...

Atardi/Hope

We had a power-cut here the other day, and I was enjoying reading stories for the kids with candle-lights. When it was bedtime and the boys wanted me to read just a liiittle more, I told them that my eyes were tired from the reduced light. My middle son then told me: "oh, so thats why you use glasses, because your eyes got tired from doing your school-work with candle-lights!"

yeah...and we were living in caves...
Niki

hope4truth said...

Hey Tubby Nuts

I think you have a fan club x

Unknown said...

Unpleasant Anon

If you bore me, or I perceive you are annoying or boring my other posters I have not forgotten where the delete button is, as you have just been reminded.

Viv x

hope4truth said...

Niki

Now I know what it means ROFLMAO

Oh that is funny kids love storys about the olden days (best I can come up with is we had black and white TV)

LOL xxx

Anonymous said...

Anon

Back? What do you mean?

Tubby nuts

Anonymous said...

Viv, thanks!

My view also: why bother overdoing it after the humiliation?

Tubby n

atardi said...

Southerncross,

Alles goed daar?

A respected poster on the 3A's? Lees de drie verdachten niet elke dag.

Geloof jij dat de komende 7e er eindelijk iets zal geburen?

Groeten.

Anonymous said...

Hope 4

Hi!
Tubby nuts are in great demand this fall :)
I am not sure about a fan club of anons. See what I mean?

Tubby n

Unknown said...

Hiya Southerncross


and great to hear from you again. This thread is getting a bit long (!). I may have to consider putting a new one up..
I did think about telling everyone the PJ are coming on the 7th and it is on our national news because I am so pleased about that but think they already know:-)

2345 said...

tubby nuts,

CM's job along with outlaws Metado 3 has been to undermine PJ, Leicester Police and a dossier of evidence. PJ have been subjected to political interference from day one. Unlike CM, the public have not forgotten Eddie & Keela's findings or the forensic results released by Leicester Police on 7 September :

"An early forensic report is alleged to have mentioned a certain type of blood spray commensurate with a certain type of broken larynx. some DNA samples found related to cerebral fluids indicates a broke neck or fractured skull". Also "Sousa himself told of this very fine mist of spray that was found in the apartment".

The question is not so much what happened to Madeleine, but rather why the British Government prevented PJ arresting the McCanns as intended.

CM has no knowledge of the contents of PJ's dossier of evidence, except for the above results issued by Leicester Police.

DE's announcement breached PCC Codes of Conduct; neither DE or CM are qualified to comment on PJ's dossier of evidence.

Articles published by DE in the McCann case are not investigative journalism, mostly the fruits of Metado 3's illegal behaviour. DE has proved itself willing to print anything CM hands them; his purpose has been to under PJ and our Police.

hope4truth said...

Tubby

I would think they are in demand all year round x

hope4truth said...

Viv

I think a link on the PJ comming would be good we know they are comming and we are talking about it...

Or how about a thread about the merits of George Clooney? (the 1000s of posts you will recieve may crash your blog though) so maybe not xxx

Anonymous said...

Leigh3 -

I will make sure my thoughts reach the NSPCC and the Social Services in Leicester - I'll give the police a miss though because I don't think they take too kindly to an ex-Pat telling them their job!! To be quite honest, I think the police know full well how selective the justice system has been (so far) in this case!

Anonymous said...

Viv/Hope4

Bring in George!:)
Joking! A new thread would be fine.

tubby n

Unknown said...

Hiya 2345

I understand you insist this case has been subject to political interference by the Labour Government, you do not like the Labour Party, do you.

I have explained the legal procedure to you until I am blue in the face but you still insist otherwise. Whose side are you on?

What is wrong with the article from the DE below:



MADELEINE: MCCANNS FEAR CHARGES SOON



DEMANDS: Police want Kate's diary

Wednesday January 9,2008
By David Pilditch Have your say(1118)
KATE and Gerry McCann fear they will be charged over daughter Madeleine’s disappearance as Portuguese police begin the final phase of their bid to put the couple on trial.

Sources close to the couple yesterday said they feared that after months of apparent inactivity, the investigation had developed a new momentum which appeared to be directed solely at proving the McCanns are guilty.

A formal request demanding fresh interrogations and the seizure of Kate’s diary and Madeleine’s Cuddle Cat toy was sent from the prosecutors office on the Algarve on Monday and will be immediately served on Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

She will then pass it to Leicestershire police – possibly as early as tomorrow.

A source close to the family yesterday revealed: “Kate and Gerry insist they are innocent but they fear they will be charged.

“Naturally Kate and Gerry are concerned that if this line of inquiry continues to its natural conclusion, charges are always a possibility and they know that’s entirely wrong.”

He added: “The Portuguese police seem to be blinkered in their approach and it feels like they want to find the McCanns guilty regardless.” The Portuguese dossier contains up to 100 questions that detectives want answered by the McCanns and their friends they had dinner with – known as the Tapas Nine – on May 3 last year, the night Madeleine vanished.

Leaks claim police have identified a number of “inconsistencies” among their statements and it has been claimed two of the group Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien want to change their accounts – something the pair have denied.

Portuguese detectives will fly to the UK in the coming days to sit in on the interviews which will be carried out by officers from Leicestershire police.



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Investigators also believe entries in Kate’s diary – in which she allegedly revealed how she was struggling to cope with her three hyperactive children – prove she killed her daughter.

Police sources on the investigation are reported to have revealed that blood found in Kate and Gerry’s flat and hire car has been confirmed as belonging to their missing daughter.

They said fresh tests prove the parents were involved in her death and the disposal of her body.

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