11 Jan 2008


10.01.08, 9:00pm
: 81 Lies! They lied about the checks (every hour then when that wasn’t received well ever half hour) They lied that they were performing the checks themselves (then it became known other men in the group were also checking on the McCann kids) They lied even after that in the TV interview when Kate says she discovered Madeleine gone ‘on one of my checks’ – it was the only check she made that night. They lied about the distance from the apartment to the Tapas bar They lied that you can see the apartment from the Tapas Bar They lied about whether they actually saw Madeleine with their own eyes or just listened at the door (as did their friends) They lied about who checked and when (changing their stories) They lied about who remained at the table all evening and who was absent They lied that leaving 3 children all under four years old alone at night ‘at the time was not irresponsible’ Their friends lied about seeing Murat there that night (as incoming and outgoing phone records placed him consistently at home) They lied about Bundleman. Tanner lied about when she gave Bundlemans details to the Police (changing the date) Tanner lied about the description of Bundleman (changing the height and appearance) Wilkins & Gerry or Tanner lied about that check when they were all in the same place but never saw each other. They lied that the door was locked and changed it to unlocked when it was not well received. They lied that the door was closed, then it was open because of ‘danger of fire’ They lied about the shutters being jemmied or forced They lied to friends, family and media when the called them that night telling them of an abductor who had broken into their apartment Gerry lied when he said there was no way Madeleine could have gotten out of bed and then said she must have wandered off. Gerry later lied in his blog saying the twins must like their new cots because they were asleep by 7:30pm which was very unusual, and yet the twins were asleep by 7:30 on the night of May 3rd allegedly. They lied to friends, family and media in phone calls that night saying the Police had not shown up when they were already there. Kate lied to Mrs Fenn saying the Police had been called. They lied saying they had called the Police when it was in fact Mark Warner They lied when they said it felt so safe and then said they knew they were being watched. They lied to family, friends and media on the phone that night when they said nobody was doing anything wheen in fact locals, holidaymakers and staff were all helping search. They lied when they said they were all searching when Kate and Gerry were hitting phones until midnight and Tanner claims she knew nothing of the disappearance until another friend knocked on her door. Gerry lied when he asked for a priest claiming not to know where the church was. They lied as to what time the Police arrived They lied that Cuddlecat was Madeleine’s favourite toy and then that it was a present to be given to her on her fourth birthday. They lied saying they would cooperate fully with the investigation They lied saying they would not do anything to hinder the investigation They lied that the fund was going to be a charity. They lied that the fund would help other missing children and families of. They lied when they said they didn’t know Murat. They lied when they said they would stay in Portugal until their daughter was found. They lied when they said they were going to learn Portuguese. They lied that it could not possibly be Madeleine’s blood in the trunk of their hire car. And then they took the same vehicle out of circulation so no further tests could be carried out upon it. They lied about not discussing the case and met with the Tapas 9 secretly. Gerry lied about where his wallet was apparently stolen, Waterloo station and then near Downing Street. They lied when they said abductions like this (snatched sleeping from a hotel or apartment) happen a lot, they don’t. They lied about the fund not being used for personal matters and then it paid their mortgage. Kate lied about coming into contact with 6 dead people in her 1 day a week job as GP to explain the cadaver scent on her clothing. They lied about cuddlecat having the scent of Madeleine and being comforting and then as soon as they heard the dogs were coming Kate announced she had washed it because it smelled of sun tan lotion. Making forensic analysis of it much harder. They about the crime scene, about how many people came into the crime scene, walked around and contaminated it, again making investigation much harder and destroying much evidence according to detectives. Gerry lied about the existence of the tennis bag. They lied about going to sue media companies. They lied about the film deal. They lied about sacking Justine McGuinness and her subsequent departure. They lied about returning to Portugal for questioning voluntarily and now will only do if their Arguido status is lifted. They have also appointed General Pinochets extradition-fighting lawyers. Gerry lied about his faith. They lied to the local catholic priest (who now claims he was deceived by the McCanns) and then deserted him for the Anglican reverend instead and never, ever took confession apparently. They lied about the value of their home, initially £600,000 and now £1.2 million. They said a lie detector test would clear them and now refuse to take one. They lied for months saying they were not suspects in the disappearance of their daughter and were then both made formal Arguido / suspects under Portuguese law. They lied about the possibility of sedation and then claimed ridiculously that perhaps the Abductor had sedated all 3 of their children before making off with Madeleine. Gerry lied about Kate’s ability to cope with three children on her own when her own Parents and her own diary say different. They lied about the amount of alcohol consumed that night. In another lie about cooperating they refused to provide their mobile phone records to the pj. Kate explaining away the scent of death of cuddlecat because she took the childs 4th birthday present cuddly toy to work and exposed it to contact with 6 dead people. They lied how everything had been so normal up til May 3rd when it is now known that Mark Warner staff had received complaints from other holidaymakers because of their home alone children crying and seeming in distress. This also brought Mark Warner staff looking for the McCanns on the night of the 2nd and insisting they attend to their distressed children. They lied about 90 minute tennis lesson with several versions of the story being put out by official sources within the McCann Camp They and at least one friend lied about Madeleine’s last meal on May 3rd. They lied about the abductor entering through the window and then changed it to the patio doors. Matthew Oldfield lied about his check on the McCann children changing his story not once but twice. Kate lied about physically searching for her daughter but then admits to not have done so in a tv interview. McCanns claim they were the first to arrive to tapas on May 3rd, Rachel Oldfield claims they were the last to arrive. Despite being in Rome and Madrid and claiming to be spending the rest of the week quietly at home in PDL with the twins, the hire car in it’s first week clocked up over 500 miles. Gerry lied about his checks on the children in the apartment, at first having claimed to have entered several rooms later then claiming the abductor must have hiding in the apartment while he was there. Gerry and O Brien have lied about their locations when holding a mobile phone call together on June 10th as verified by phone records and pinpointing. Jane Tanner has changed her statements, arrival time at tapas, direction of travel, checking times for night of May 3rd. Najova Chekaya who joined the tapas 9 at the table at 9:30 states nobody left the table until Kate went to check. Putting Oldfields, O Briens, Tanners and Gerry McCanns statements into question
• Posted by: lizzyw1


josiepublic said...

Hi Viv,
Lizzy sums it all up really well doesn't she? The McCanns and friends have told so many lies its a credit to Lizzy that she was able to keep track of them all! And they are just the lies we know of goodness knows how many more the PJ have to contend with.

If you read this Lizzy- I wish you, your family and your pups lots of love.X

Love Plainwaters XXXX

Ironside said...

Good morning...lizzy...as you say they are only the ones we know about...fantastic work,,,,Lizzy
thanks for your offer on sedation....someone has already done the checking seems..this was not reported in the newspaper...However it was a sky televised report....It has been suggested that we e. mail Martin Brunt...at Sky...If he is the criminal Investigator he claims to be...we suggest that he goes into the Sky Archives...and finds this interview...on the 4th May where Mrs.Healy told the world of madeleines sleeping problems....and that kate sedated her...that is how she knew she would not have wandered off...Mccanns have been protected from day....It seems sky realised this would be damaging to the mccanns so it was not repeated...Sound familiar?...The same thing happened when they reported JP thought madeleine had died of a broken neck....because of the spinal fluid...that was only reported once.....This sickens me more as each day goes by.....anyway busy day for me...Look after yourself...and Lizzy dont stop searching.....

Morning Plainwaters...your opinion on sedation....Seems JP are not the fools some on this forum would like us to believe...

Morning Rat....

ratonthebeam said...


I remember the Sky interview. It was exactly as Ironside described. Kate's mother interviewed in the garden, Madeleine regularly sleepwalked, and was given Valium as a sedative. I have lost count of the hours I have spent trawling the Internet in the vain hope that somebody, somewhere, taped it. But so far, no joy.

See http://clarenceofarabia.blogspot.com

Somebody should tell him that pink is NOT his colour!

Cracking post from Lizzy, eh!

josiepublic said...

Good morning Ironside;
I never took the Pj's for fools- I deeply respect them as a fine and highly educated force but it seems that has escaped some others who should know better.I hope the PJ will educate them as to their mistakes in the fullness of time.

I'm not sure what to think about the sedation as quite frankly I cant decide who amongst the McCanns and relatives is trustworthy. No doubt the toxicology test being carried out might hopefully show if Madeleine was sedated but as for the twins who knows? Gerry's mind / thought processes are a mystery to me.

I prefer to wait for the charges and not speculate too much because sometimes I find the details too upsetting. I like to read others though- you are one of my favourites- and if it gets too much at times I can just stop as despite what Team Mccann say that option is always available.

Best wishes, Plainwaters.

Anonymous said...

This posting by Lizzy was lifted in its entirety from the Mirror Forum's HUNT FOR MADDY at:


It was the work of poster jomk2 and was entitled 81 Lies and Counting! Going up...

josiepublic said...

Oh dear Anon- Maybe Lizzy made that point in her posts I myself have only read it here but I will follow your link.

Lizzy has brought stuff over from the mirror to the D express whilst I was posting but she always gave a link- I'm sure she would not intentionally pass off somebody else's work as her own. Lets hope Lizzy reads this and gets the chance to rectify this misunderstanding.

In the meantime may I say great post jomk2 but I'm not surprised I have always found the mirror forum full of great thinkers and posters- spudgun is one such genius and he is in good company.

Best wishes to you and the mirror forum; love Plainwaters.

SueB said...

Hi Rat, Ironside

I also saw the Mrs Healy interview re: the valium. I remember thinking at the time 'eek - you stupid woman, fancy putting that into the public domain, the media will have a field day.' But strangely enough, it was never mentioned again!

Anonymous said...

Many thanks, Plainwaters, I have posted your comments and best wishes to the Mirror Forum. I know it will be appreciated by all but especially by jomk2 and spudgun.

Unfortunately, Lizzy posted jomk2's article on the Daily Express HAVE YOUR SAY site, again without citing her source. They have since removed it as a copyright violation, when I brought it to their attention. However, I know jomk2 would love for his OP to remain on your website but trust that Lizzy will do the right thing and acknowledge his work appropriately. By the way, he has since removed the lie about the cost of the Rothley house. You might want to have that removed from your website, as it was later found to be false.

The important thing is JUSTICE FOR MADDIE AND THE TWINS.

lizzy said...

Hi ViV, Ironside, Plainwaters, all...
This was my post on De but at the end am sure I said had read it on the Mirror forum, at the time of posting nobody commented so presumed it had been already read.
I would never seek to take the credit for anybodys elses work or posts, sorry for any misunderstanding. Am pretty useless on the computer so may have thought I'd put in a link and not down so....apologies to you all...

lizzy said...

Hi have just checked and the 81 lies post is still on the Mirror forum, if anybody wants to read it because I think as the author finds more lies he is adding them.
So in the end it totals a lot more most likely.
By the way I am so sorry for the misunderstanding re the post.

ratonthebeam said...

I'm not bothered who wrote it, it's still a cracking post, and thank you Lizzy for bringing it to our attention!

Expect some of the keyboard monkeys on the DX to give you a LOT of grief, though. It is poor Alsabellas turn at the moment, simply because she registered all her name combinations to prevent cybersquatters. She explained it all in full and everybody was happy, but will some people let it go, no they will not.

There were STILL anti-Semetic jokes being published there last night because LGC was on! I reported them and had them removed, but the poster has still not been banned.

I honestly just don't understand them at all!

lizzy said...

Hi Rat,
Thanks for being so understanding, I feel stupid missing the link off and fully expect hassle from the supporters of the Mccanns, the way they were treating Alsabella was pathetic last night,accusing her of multiple posting because her name was ever so slightly different, clearly they have nothing else to do but nitpick ...

lizzy said...

Hi Plainwaters,
Nice to hear from you, pups are fine, hope you and your family are all well and have missed speaking to you on the DE.
Speak soon.....Lizzy x

josiepublic said...

I miss you Lizzy and you to Rat.

Lizzy I was sure you wouldn't have posted it as your own- thats not your style at all; but sometimes we all miss bits off! I know I did and still do! I'm still finding my way around on the net/pc as well and have every sympathy.

Love Plainwaters.X

dolores said...

Hi Viv/Ironside /Docmac & all
Docmac, I hope you are beginning to feel better now.I have not been posting much myself the last few days,I have have had this awful Norovirus, I am wearing a surgical mask in case any of you get it.:)

Something about cuddle cat has been bothering me,It was said to have been bought at the airport as a birthday present for M, when the cadaver dogs had the scent from it, K said it was because she had taken it to work.???
She was lying again and this can be added to the 81 lies, that Lizzie shared with us.

dolores said...

Forgot to add I think Cuddle Cat should be interviewed.:)
For those who still post on DX have you noticed DianeH has the same attitude tactics and speech exactly like R.......PS Be carefull as she provokes.

Ironside said...

Hello Lizzie..You are as honest as the day is long...and we all know it....Heaven knows we are all gleaning the net for that bit more info..just to get it out there....However it is achieved...who ever wrote it...thanks to them and thanks...to you...because I would not have seen it...had you not posted here...So thanks to you both.....

felicity said...

Hiya all,

just a very brief word because I have to dash out. I would just like to say this - I think it as unpleasant of "Anon" to feel the need to point out this post came originally from the Daily Mirror. What we all do is research to find useful material to help others - this is clearly what Lizzie did and what I myself do on this blog. For example Docmac emailed me and sent me the link to the Youtube video I have just posted.

I hope we can continue to do this without unpleasant people chiming in and being unpleasant.

Great to see you all posting and there are some really good comments.

Carry on net surfing!

Will be back about 8 for a proper chat

Viv xxxxxxx

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I agree with you and that is what I love about your site, there is none of that unpleasantness that you get on the De from the likes of Mark55 etc, I will make sure though that next time I post anything to check the source is acknowledged usually do, but forgot last night....I just thought jomk2 had written such a good post and how clever is he or she for spotting so many lies, that I thought everyone would be interested in seeing it.

LMCG said...

According to their own words:

Jane Hill: "I met people who didn't go to work for more than a week because everyday they were down on the beach, searching the streets. Did you, as a mother Kate, just sometimes think 'I've got to go and be out there with them. I want to go and just physically look as well."

Kate: (Pause) I mean, I did. Errm... (Long Pause) Errm, we'd been working really hard really. Apart... I mean, the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning, I'd say, errm, but after that you get strength from somewhere. We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and its been able to make us focus really so we have actually, in our own way, it might not be physically searching but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can really to get Madeleine back."


• Posted by: irina • Report Comment

Hi Viv, I thought you might be interested in this. You might of read it before but I hadn't. I couldn't believe what I was reading! Isn't it revealing? They had been working really hard apart from the first 48 hours??? When would be the most important time to search for a child who has gone missing? Er perhaps the first 48 hours! It beggers belief. I can understand before the days of mobile phones (and we all know they had one don't we?) why a parent might wait at home for news but not nowadays, 99% of parents would be out searching the immediate area over and over again. Perhaps this is one of the most telling aspects of the whole sorry story. Oh, yes and then after 48 hrs "you get strength from somewhere", wouldn't the strength to search come from the fact your daughter is MISSING!

Ironside said...

Hi Docmac...Just looked in to say
hope you are feeling a little better..regards from all those that care about you...Have a good weekend...

docmac said...

Ironside thanks mate. Almost back on my feet fulltime now. You have a great weekend too.

Lmcg "I mean, the first 48 hours, as Gerry said, are incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning"

As Gerry himself said, he had recovered by the third day already! Anyone for tennis?

lmcg said...

Docmac, exactly, it is the things like these that lead me to believe in their guilt. There actions weren't those of parents beside themselves that their daughter is "missing". I read somewhere that they were back in the Tapas bar the next day having their lunch do you, or anyone else, know if this is true?

Like everyone I too hope you are feeling better soon.

felicity said...

Hiya Lizzie darling bless you I am so glad you love the site.

I do want to keep to substance rather than form in the debate. I am not prepared to have people come along and start unpleasant arguments that are completely irrelevant to the debate. We see more than enough of those tactics on the De and it is what we all detest. I am really grateful you brough such a good post to our attention particularly given Anon has managed to get it deleted from the DE. As often happens some of the best posts on there get deleted and I like to have them on here :-)

Luv Viv x

felicity said...

hiya lmcg

The post you have put on of Irina (who is great) is just the sort of thing I certainly do want and thanks so much for that. I just cannot devote the time to reading everything on the DE and it is disheartening anyway when there is so much rubbish to get through!

I think it does cut right to the nub of the issue - if you had lost your little girl you would just keep on and on looking - most especially in the early stages. As Kate McCann explains they did not bother to do this. But now 8 months down the line they have the audacity to demand more money to pay rubbish outfits like Metodo 3 to do so. It is just a ocmplete farce. They are just interfering with prosecution witnesses and trying to find people who are clearly less than honest in their recollections for the "defence". We are not going to be paying for that! As British taxpayers if they have a trial in the UK we will be paying millions for that in the same way it is currently costing the Portuguese taxpayers millions - they are an absolute disgrace!

Luv Viv x

lmcg said...

Hi Viv, after I had posted the earlier post to you I just couldn't stop thinking.... would I behave in a different way to Kate or am I just being unfairly judgemental and the answer is no I am not. Thinking of my two beautiful children asleep upstairs, I know 100% if I went there now and found one of them missing I would be out there on the streets until my hands bled and there were blisters on my feet, I would look under very car, knock on every door. No I am not being unreasonable questioning Kate's motives for not searching, almost every other Mother out there would have done the opposite to what Kate did.

I also agree with what the PJ have been saying lately, and you obviously agree too, the whole publicity campaign hasn't been about finding Madeleine, it has been about diverting attention from Kate and Gerry. What an utter disgrace this all is.

Keep up the good work Viv, God bless Madeleine.

Lmcg x

lmcg said...

P.S Viv perhaps we should start working in shifts, monitoring the DE forum and posting anything here we think it is relevant before it gets pulled from the forum!

felicity said...


I agree we are not being overly judgmental like you say you would search till your hands bled for one of your children. I put a post some months back on the DE about how I lost my parrot he flew off my shoulder in the garden at night having seen the gree hosepipe by the pond and thinking it was a snake. At first light I thought I heard him and my son and I went back out and found him on a nearby high roof but he was too scared to come down to us. My son got up on the roof somehow with his portable cage and got him but then could not get down! I had to get the fire brigade! - clearly we made a lot more fuss over our parrot! If I was the McCanns I would never stop PERSONALLY looking and most definitely would not have come home from Portugal. There can be no doubt they did not lose her - they know exactly what they did with her and their continuing attempts to demand money every which way and con people otherwise is absolutely appalling behaviour.

It really would be helpful if regulars to this forum like yourself were prepared to copy interesting posts onto this forum - in case they go missing!

Thanks so much for the offer

I have not viewed the DE tonight - anything interesting?

luv viv

lmcg said...

Not much going on tonight Viv, the usual suspects are there but there are also some fighting our corner. Speak/read you tom.

Lmcg x

SueB said...

Hi Viv

Re: the 81 lies post, poor lizzy, she made a mistake; she didn't realise that she hadn't posted the source. But, to be fair to Anonymous, he/she is just pointing out one of the first rules of Netiquette - 'Obey copyright laws.' Words, pictures or other content from websites, books etc. will probably be owned by someone else, so don't copy them or post them without prior permission, or, if you do, always name the source.

Haha, incredible I know but there are rules for cyberspace, just as there are rules of the road.

Lizzy, don't give it another thought, you didn't post out of malice, you did it to help.

Take care all.


ratonthebeam said...

82nd lie.

"Maddy Raped, Murdered and Thrown In Reservoir".

Clarence describes this as "interesting!"

I would have described it as cruel, unhelpful, hurtful and insensitive, myself.

felicity said...

Hiya Rat

This just has to be one of the worse - there is no limit to what this gruesome trio will do .. I used to say twosome but he is clearly in bed with them!

It would seem the Retardo boss has been told to shut up - so that Claris can be completely in control of all that offensive rubbish he puts into the media - that he can then described as interesting - as you say that comment in itself is very very distasteful

I wonder if he has worked out how he is going to spend the rest of his life sueing us all...

Luv Viv x

Anonymous said...

I am sorry some people have taken offence by my bringing the authorship of 81 LIES... to your attention. In academia, a professor was fired from his university for plagiarism, and numerous college students have been disciplined or sent down for downloading material from the Internet and incorporating it into their own essays or theses without crediting their sources.

The Daily Express removed it from their online site to avoid a potential lawsuit. I suggest your viewers read up on copyright before dismissing this oversight as of no importance!

By the way, jomk2 is happy to have his work reproduced here, but it is only fair that he should receive the credit for his excellent compilation.

Anonymous said...

To show that I am willing to contribute to your posting, I offer the following lies:

The denial from the FindMadeleine Fund that the McCanns had asked to use the funds to pay their legal bills, after the quote from Gerry McCann, “It seems like a disaster that we’ve got this huge donated fund and now we’re not allowed to use it for legal costs because we’re under suspicion."

The lie over Gerry McCann's injury from a torn Achilles tendon (the reason for a cancelled tennis lesson) on May 3, when he was seen running up a steep hill shortly afterwards.

Kate McCann should be added to the lie over Gerry McCann's faith. Susan Healy had reported during the Portuguese TV interview that Kate had called and asked her to get in contact with the priest who had married them and who had baptised Madeleine. She says she found this odd, as she wouldn´t have described themselves or Kate and Gerry as devout Catholics.

The lie over the reason for the "death scent" being found on Kate's jeans. She said that she had worn them while in contact with six cadavers in her general practice the week before the family went on holiday, when those particular jeans had been purchased at a later date in Portugal.

Anonymous said...


While 81 Lies and Counting... is no longer available on Lizzy's Daily Express HAVE YOUR SAY, it is still available on its original site as an Opening Post on the Mirror Forum HUNT FOR MADDY thread.

Anonymous said...

Lizzy and Viv:

There would be no objection to your posting jomk2's wonderful 81 Lies and Counting on the Daily Express HYS section, so long as you provide the source and the link.

If you knew my regular postings on the Mirror HUNT FOR MADDY forum, you would know that I am definitely not pro-McCann.

Peace & goodwill. And Justice for Maddy!

Anonymous said...

I have notice something odd about the photos on the truthformaeleine website, two have same edge on left hand side