24 Jan 2008


As can be seen below they announce on Sunday Cooper man is the "probable abductor of Madeleine" - the exact words used on the official Maddie web page! but by today the PJ have confirmed they interviewed this man 20 days into the enquiry, and, as a result of the McCanns press release have interviewed him again and formally dismissed him as a suspect, once again.

The Find Maddie fund is spending countless thousands of pounds on all this time wasting rubbish - seeking to tell us the McCanns are innocent. The more they do it - the more convinced we are of their guilt.

Who paid for Cooper's airfare to PDL? Pretty soon they will tell us as this cash has gone on these ridiculously ill-judged publicity stunts - it is simply criminal! So the McCanns do not want to go back to Portugal to help the police with their enquiries until their arguido status is lifted - what difference should that make!! If they were innocent - ALL THEY WOULD CARE ABOUT WAS FINDING MADELEINE - NOT SAVING THEIR OWN MISERABLE NECKS.

The last article copied here goes through some of their other ill-fated ventures to persuade the public these two child abusing liars are innocent. No way!

The charging of these two cannot come soon enough for me.

They could have salvaged just some vestige of public forgiveness if they had said OK we accept Metodo 3 are a complete waste of time - we are donating the rest of the money to a childrens charity- they could not even manage that.

They deserve everything they get - particularly you Gerry McCann. Shut up and accept you are going to be charged and you are going to prison - where you belong with all the other criminals - but none of them could be as bad as you! Just how much more of this rubbish do you plan to come out with - wasting peoples money that they donated to help you find Madeleine - you always knew she could not be found - you despicable man! How dare you just keep hounding innocent people - the public will never forget your vile behaviour. NEVER.


Correio de manha 24/1/08
Picture-robot: Police out any connection to the case CM discovers man picture-robot village in the Algarve Alessia Pierdomenico / Reuters Image was published by McCann earlier this week based on the description of a tourist who was in Praia da Luz in April The man "appalling" that Gail Cooper described as suspicious, giving rise to the portrait-robot released this week by McCann, was contacted by the Judiciary Police twenty days after the disappearance of Madeleine. After publication of the image, the Judicial again speak with him and, today, removes any connection to the same case.
Correio de manha 23/1/08
Four women Maddie linking the suspect to-robot Witnesses key certify portrait Alessia Pierdomenico / Reuters Several British say have seen the man in the design Four "key witnesses in the investigation of the disappearance Madeleine," according to the 'Daily Mail', have already confirmed a face identical or approximately between the portrait-robot released and the man who suspect they have seen. The move in the blinds of the apartment, with the child after the colon; also with Robert Murat and, finally, in the mountains of Morocco. First Amanda Mills, of 34 years, have said that there are "major parecenças" with the man who had, a week earlier, forcing the window of Room for Maddie. Then it was Jane Tanner, friend of McCann: You "80 percent sure" it is the man who, on the night of May 3, witnessed with a girl in her arms. Charlotte Pennington's, a babysitter who have seen Murat with another man, also ensures that corresponds to the picture. And Isabel Gonzalez, tourist that 'saw' a girl in Morocco, it is recalled this face. The design, it is recalled, was inspired by Gail Cooper, another witness who claims to have seen the suspect around the Praia da Luz
Correio de manha 22/1/08

Picture: Dozens of witnesses ensure that the views Suspect on all sides Alessia Pierdomenico / Reuters The portrait commissioned by McCann was done according to the indications of an English now vacation in the Light and the man described estranhou Dozens of phone calls were received by detectives who are working for McCann, following the disclosure of the robot-portrait of a possible suspect. "We received many calls that do not say anything of importance," admitted the CM Clarence Mitchell, port - voice of the family, "but at the same time also received dozens of phone calls with important information," he added. Clarence Mitchell does not specify from where the calls come, as are British who were in Praia da Luz or residents in the area, but ensures that "many people they have seen the man on the spot." Despite yesterday in the light, nobody will remember the individual, the door to the press - voice of McCann ensured that there is a girl of 12 years who remembers the man. Clarence Mitchell, however, did not want to put this witness who is mysterious. The detectives of the agency Spanish Method 3 that are working for the McCann are now to examine all avenues that have reached by telephone. "We can not say that we will find the man but we are trying," said the CM still Clarence Mitchell. "Nor do we say that is suspected of kidnapping but want to know if you have anything to do with the disappearance," he added. The portrait-robot is seen as "one of the most important clues that the detectives of Method 3 are working," concluded the spokesman of Kate and Gerry. Meanwhile, PJ still awaiting the response of the British authorities to the letters rogatory sent to England, where he is asked to be made new interrogation to the group now vacation in Praia da Luz "Although there is no novelty," confirmed the CM source linked to the research. About this issue, Clarence Mitchell assured that "officially there is no information to back that PJ wants to ask Kate or Gerry." Nevertheless, "they are willing to cooperate with the authorities so that the investigation proceed," the spokesman continued, "they want to show that Portuguese police have nothing to do with the disappearance of their daughter." Clarence Mitchell admitted knowing that there is a request from the Judiciary in Eurojust (the European agency which is the connection between the departments of Justice of the European Union countries), "but I do not know whether they want to ask Kate and Gerry, the group of nine friends or just some of them. "

Maddie: Picture at the request of the couple English McCann open to hunting suspect Kate and Gerry McCann began a real hunt for man, in the wake of pictures revealed before the spokesman for the couple. Clarence Mitchell, at a press conference, revealed that the designs were made by the team of investigators hired by the parents of Madeleine, based on the testimony of Gail Cooper. A British woman, 50 years old, ensures that have seen strangers, with the apartments of the Ocean Club, on the beach of Light, in the Algarve, who walked to ask for a nonexistent orphanage. "This information came from Gail Cooper who gave his testimony to the police in May. Since then has never been done a portrait based on his statements," said Clarence Mitchell, during a press conference, at which the World revealed the designs made by a retratista trained by the FBI: "Our researchers worked with Gail Cooper to make these pictures. believe that he may be involved in the disappearance of Madeleine. We want to know, as soon as possible, who and where you are." In the same meeting with journalists English, Clarence Mitchell was convincingly to the new suspect, requiring that "if not linked to the disappearance of Madeleine, the least we have to do is come to prove it public, so that is discarded. " The emergence of these portraits is contrary to the testimony of the friend of the couple Janne Tanner who, in November, said to have seen a man carrying a child to the lap dressed with a pijama equal to the Madeleine McCann. NEWSPAPER RECUPERA gallery GAIL COOPER Gail Cooper has been found by the newspaper 'News of The World', according to the testimony of an editor to the television station Sky News, who explained the process. "We read all the testimonies that were in the public domain. Thus we find Gail Cooper. Then pass the information she has given to researchers hired by McCann, "said the journalist of the 'News of The World'. Gail Cooper, writes the newspaper, had three meetings with the new suspect in April, days before the disappearance of Madeleine. The English newspaper cited the man called 'the beast'. THE FIRST ROBÔ Traders in Praia da Luz reconstituíram of memory to the CM the portrait-robot that PJ them Exhibited on May 10. Shows the oval head of the suspect - hair smooth, risk right, fringe remote to the sides. According to PJ, compares with the head of paedophiles referenced by the British police. MAN AND CHILD EMBRULHADA The couple McCann revealed on November 25, a portrait of the potential robot raptor, Maddie, done by an artist on the basis of the description of the friend of the couple, Janne Tanner. A friend of McCann said have seen a man go on the night of May 3, with a child embrulhada a blanket. The man would have between 35 and 40 years old and about 1.70 m, and the child use a pijama similar to that of Maddie. LAST SUSPEITO BE NORTH OF AFRICA The new suspected of the abduction of Madeleine appears to be North African - Tunisian or Moroccan - have yellowish skin, between 38 and 45 years of age and speaks a little English. The design, made from the report of a tourist staying in the Ocean Club, shows a man with a bigode tired, teeth and long hair desgrenhado. PJ DESCARTOU SUSPEITO TRAIL BY FALSE The portrait-robot commissioned by the couple McCann concerns "one of dozens or hundreds of people" who may have passed on Praia da Luz - a man viewed as suspect only on the basis of information "without any consistency" and that the PJ long already descartou, ensures the CM source connected to the process. The goal, eight months later, will be "the ever: more a maneuver of fun ..." NOTES AVISTAMENTO FALSE IN MOROCCO In September, a couple of Spanish tourists released photos taken in Morocco, where he sees a child on the back of a blonde woman. It was not Maddie. Track Belgian TINEA NOT BACKGROUND In late July, a new track: Maddie had been seen in Belgium, in the company of a couple. He was released the portrait of the man-robot would be with the child. Similar to the DNA of a slamico proved that it was Madeleine. A MEASURE IRRESPONSÁVEL Portraits-robot in Portugal, without strong evidence, "could compel the authors similar to compensate people," said the judicial source CM DESENHADORA THE FBI According to the newspaper 'News of the World', the design was the work of Melissa Little, a specialist British trained by the FBI

Two more articles there if you want to read them copy the link - get the story and then go to google language tools and translate from Portuguese to English.

20-01-2008 - 00:00:00 Novo retrato de suspeito do rapto de Madeleine
18-01-2008 - 00:00:00 Mari Luz foi raptada por conhecido


dolores said...


Ecolab said...

GONE WITH THE WIND also called ”The Magic Touch”

Do you remember? - The picture of Maddie with the yellow tennisballs? You can see, how her arms and legs are filled with exema – maybee sunburn or brueses? I do not know. She even has a little suntan. The picture is from May. the 1. – or 2. ??

This is the picture – you might have to entlarge it


A pretty good picture. It reeveals a lot. Look at her left hand and left underarm!

Later you have the picture with Maddie cowered up into clothes. It reveals nothing.
The picture from the playground.
You cant see anything – no burns – no brueses – no exema. You can`t see anything! What might be, is hidden behind clothes!

.. . . . but sudden . . . . like magic, from one day to another everything is gone! Even the tan after 5 days in the jolly sunshine.
No tan - No burns – No brueses – No exema – No Nothing!

Compare the ”tennis - ball”picture with the ”last” known photo of Madeleine. I`m talking about the Pool-Photo of Gerry, the little sister and Madeleine.
The one, with the missing hour in the Camera.
The one with the ”wrong” shadows.
The one supposed to be from May the 3 midday. The Last Photo of little Madeleine Mccann.
The one with Gerry behind sunglasses looking smileless and grim towards Kate and Little Amelie sitting ordered like a nice girl, close to her father, looking down as if she is bored?
Maybee she is told to sit Put for the 5`time! She even has a little nice suntan after 6 days i sunny Praia da Luz..
Then comes a lot of space? .. . . .
and here comes smiling Maddie looking left, grinning at something or somebody? Her skin is so smooth and tender. Like a baby. Soft and pale like my skin after a season hit away in clothes! The sun has yet not kissed that skin! No sunburn – no exema – no brueses. Is`nt that just magic? Look how she looked the day before. ….. and now this – every spot gone with the wind!

The pool photo

Greetings from Denmark

felicity said...

Hiya Ecolab

Great to hear from you. I have already studied the tennis balls pic and commented in some depth on here somewhere. Her arm looks severely burned - particularly bad patch just above the wrist. You cannot see the other one.

If you blow that picture up to about 500% the shocking bruises on her legs are revealed. There is one just above the knee that I cannot imagine happened by accident - there are many terrible bruises. I just cannot bear to think what that poor little girl endured.

I do agree that so called final pic she does not look suntanned or the damage to her arms that was supposedly already done. I am sure the police will have subjected all the pictures to microscopic examination and will want an explanation for all the grab marks to Kates arm and severe bruising on the point of her elbow. It fills me with horrow to think what that woman has also gone through at the hands of Gerry McCann. I do think she may have been trying to save Madeleine when she got all that bruising. It is a great pity she did not have the sense to remove herself and the children from this dreadful violent control freak.

Great to hear from you

Viv x


Ecolab said...

Hey Viv.

I know the big and long talk about the photos and brueses.

Sometimes you just have to shake the bricks once more and new and never seen combinations turns up!

We are not getting that many new information theese days, so we have to put the old information up in a new combination!

Today we have this one, tomorrow he gains weight - 50 kilo and new teeth!:


felicity said...

Hiya Eco

I do agree going back can take your forwards and help you to see things more clearly and certainly to spot a pattern in the spinning behaviour.

I was looking at the photo of the boss himself, Rebelo, trying to open the patio door with his hand because there is of course no handle on it. I think it would be very difficult to open such a door from the outside. I also noted Jane Tanner claims she walked past the path to the rear entrance of the apartments where the patio door is and so saw bundleman walking across the top of the road. So she must have been going around to the front of the property to open the front door with her key. She as in the next apartment to Kate and Gerry. I know she never saw Bundleman or left the table but the principle is when they did do a check they went around the front to open the door with their key - just like you would expect. It is one thing to leave children on their own and quite another to even leave the patio door open. Clearly they did not because they told all their relatives the window at the front was jemmied and the shutters damaged which of course they were not so then they say oh well we left the patio door open. I notice Old HIPPY rather bizarrely claims well Bundleman walked in through the patio door and then wanted to climb out the window with Madeleine clearly and impossible task and quite ridiculous - why use a window when there are doors to use and there is not forensics on the window of course. I dont think people have really considered this in depth and it would be good if they did. Especiall the technically minded re - if a patio door is left open unlocked on the inside - can you just open it from the outside.

Also in the photos of the police officers at the scene the overweight officer is jumping up and down testing the strength of the patio - do they think there is a hidey hole underneath - why would they do this? Come on technical chaps and chapesses help me out here! Docmac and Ironside where are you I need you please!

Luv Viv x

ironside said...

Hi Alsabella ..Thanks for the info....if you post where you did today any news from Portugal...or make your own thread....Alsabell...News from Portugal....something like that....We really need someone to keep us informed...as you know yourself all we hear
are lies....Please the minute you hear about the letters please post....Best Wishes to you and your family....

There is no news at all on the Cortez family...not one report...

Ironside said...

Hi Viv...Hope your son is OK...

felicity said...

Hiya Ironside

He is feeling better after we were reassured by hospital and medication is starting to work.

I hope Alsabella comes on she has been watching a TV programme in Portugal and has some good information. Someone not sure if it was Alsabella cant remember anyway they said letters rogatory can take years at Eurojust - let us hope not! When I spoke of European red tape I did not think it would be that bad (-:

I read the Cortez man seemed a bit happier, pleased with the Spanish police, not mentioning the Retardos - which has to be good! and feel she is close to home.

Let us hope that is right!

Viv x

felicity said...

Hiya again Ironside

I have put up a new thread News from Portugal - hope Alsabella, Claudia and others will post updates on there for us - only way we get proper news!

Viv x

Dylan05 said...

Hi all,

Viv, you are welcome, your site is a safe heaven for us all. Glad also that Luke is feeling better and reassured.

Your paste from Lazarus is very amusing! He obviously doesn't have a clue. LGC is all he does have and only one of them at that! In fact, given a herring, opus could probably outsmart Gez-r-us in a junior fact finding face-off (all that omega 3 really helps!)

I had another thought today, which is rare for me, i might do some research on the process of grief. I recall that there is an order of phases that a person goes through after an initial grief. I'm sure that that process is different for different causes. Ie, a break-up in a relationship (if the person is a "dumpee"), the stages of grief are very similar to those of a person grieving for one lost, through death. Of course, the length of these stages differ from person to person but the pattern is much the same. First grief, then anger, then some kind of resolution at the end of the process because you have come to terms with the loss.

If a child has been abducted though, this process cannot be completed as the loss is still open-ended. (I will check with my friend as well as doing a bit of web searching). My point being, is that the Mcs appear to have gone through the grief process to its end. In other words, they were grieving for a death and not an abduction and they have done this very publicly. First there was real anguish, then there was petulence and anger (find the body...etc), then there was the coming to terms, smiling again, playing with the twins, leaving the place of the death to return home (admittedly this was as much to do with them being afraid of being arrested).

It always seemed so unnatural to me that that photo with the twins, their smile was so natural. It was like they didn't have a care in the world which, clearly would not be the case if their child was still missing.

Sorry for the ramble. I know it's not news and it's nothing that we don't already know to be true but i thinks it backs up our suspicions.

I'm getting snowed under with coursework again but if I get time i'll find an article on the theme of grief.

Kind wishes to all for bearing with me!

Dillie x

felicity said...

Hiya Dillie

Great to hear from you - it has been a bit quieter on here today!

Thanks for kind thoughts about my son and I we have been nicking some of Opus's Omega oils to keep our brains going -hope he does not mind too much. Because it has been quiet on here I have been reading the DE quite a bit and notice that Rosie and Laz seem to have an obsession with me and quite wrongly are certain I am back on the DE - they are mercilessly picking on Clear accusing him her of being me - which is really sad and awful for whoever clear is! I hope he/she complains about their stupid paranoia.

I am really interested in your proposed research on the stages of grief in different situations. Looking at the psychology of the McCanns is fascinating. I suppose with a history mainly in criminal /family law and then probation I would say that though! We have heard reports of late of proablems in the relationship, Kate has become very introverted and disagrees with Gerry on the media tactics - I wonder if she is at the anger stage and open to the suggestion of coming clean with the police? She cannot be very impressed with her life as provided by Gerry. It is very hard for such an intelligent woman to lose the mental stimulation of working in a mentally demanding job also and I am sure that although it was only 1 an da half days a week it gave her the break she needed from being a housewife and a mom. Now she is trapped. I can imagine a festering anger at her situation whilst he is able to just cope with peoples feelings about them and carry on playing golf and going to work. I think for Kate what the public think is much much more important to her.

Hey I like y0ur rambles and am rather good at them myself. I will be keen to hear where there presentations fit but have to say I find Gerry so unnunatural I never so him go through any sort of grieving process. Kate and the way I have seen her look at him in the early stages is far more complex.

Keep me posted Dillie.

Luv Viv x 19.45

dolores said...

Viv, Come va = how are you?
We will have you bilingual in no time,lol.We will gently guide you here,to the wonderful world of many langauges.My husband speaks 4 more than I can cope with.
I have been off the forum for most of the day taking my wonderful Mama (who is going to be 90 in March to lunch and a girls day out)I will try to catch up with events asap with the next saga in this tragedy,of a beautiful child taken from this world, before her time.I fear for her siblings being around whoever harmed her,it's the outburst of G&Ks tempers when challenged of what happened that night, that bothers me a lot ,and I feel so helpless.
Prayers go to you and your son.

Ironside said...

from the Correio da Manha:


The fund in support of search to find Mari Luz, a Spanish girl disappeared leaves 11 days in Huelva, has reached the one hundred thousand euros, confirmed the CM Luis Molina, spokesman for the family. The BBVA bank account set up to finance the campaign "began with 400 euros and has been increasing every day," said this element of the family, which raises the possibility that this money can be used to pay for private detectives. The searches are still on the ground, with special emphasis on the area of the Marina de Huelva. According to the CM said the chief inspector of the National Police, José Tocornal, continues to be analyzed all the garbage of the city "until next week" and sought clues "in landfills works." The authorities ensure that "all the information are being investigated."""

If this is true Viv...alarm bells are starting to ring....How has this money been donated? there is not a mention here in spain about this kind of money...the web was only set up a couple of days ago...he certainly looks a happy chap demonstrating in the streets...he has also turned to his pastor and has a spokesman.

Oddly enough, his wife is no where to be seen....
There has not been any news on TV about this family...so the donations have not come from spanish people....

The gypsy clans will not stand for fraud...from a fellow clan...then they will have the Guardia Civil...all over them...wanting to know where this money has come from...
it is election time soon here...there are a lot of scandals and corruption within the old PP Goverment....
Cortez said he invited a member of the royal family..or someone from the goverment to march with him, when he was in Madrid....he said he was very disappointed when his invitation was declined....

I tell you Viv , you have to see this guy....he is on another planet...he is not the same tearful father we saw 11 days ago....
Interview with chief of police in Huelva said...there are no clues and they will continue with their investigation....

There is something weird going on here....

The web is only in english and portuguese...your daily run of the mill spaniard speaks niether....

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
I hope your son is feeling better. That is a really good idea to have the Portugese column for people from Portugal to update with news. Your site is really good and is so nice to see so many of the nice people from the DE on here.Lizzy 21.41 24/01/08

felicity said...

Ola Dolores

Sorry I know that is Spanish/Portuguese but it is such a lovely word it reminds me of one of my best holidays in Dom Rep with the sweet people smiling and saying that to me.

come va?

Oh your fantastic mama - my mama is 81 so there is years in her yet - Fab! I turned up today at 11.30 am - house immaculate cloths bleaching the sink, washing on the line - she is just brilliant. I hope you had a wonderful time with your Mama!

I struggled to pick up just a little bit of Portuguese so you may find me hardwork! but dont give up on me.

Thank you so much for your prayers for me and my son but I can think of three people not so far away from me in Rothley who need them far more Sean, Amelie and Kate. May the be delivered safe from evil. It is a terrible worry - I may be wrong but I think he is far and away the really dangerous one.

Ola Ironside

Good to see you again meu amigo probably wrong in Spanish - forgive!

The news you give about the Mari Luz case is very worrying. NO way can an agency like the Retardos be of any assistance in the hunt for a missing child. Had Maddie genuinely been at large they would surely have got her killed.

IT SOUNDS just like history repeating itself doesn't it - the male is flushed with cash and happy the wife sadly cries indoors for her child. Like you say where did this 100K just suddenly appear from in few days - do you think this is backers in the US of the McCanns. I really do not know what to think at this stage but wherever the life of a little child is at stake and you have got one of the parents behaving like this it is intensely worrying. Please keep me posted. I am full of foreboding for little Mari Luz as well now. At first I am hopeful another gypsy family have taken her but surely she would have been returned by now.

Very sad indeed - what is going on - there is a bad smell I cannot work it out as yet.

Luv Viv
PS Got up v early this am so going tohave an early night now. I hope if there are other posters maybe you and Doc could answer them - you usually do better than me anyway.

Thanks so much for all your support on here my friend. You are a lovely man - who loves children and animals. Sorry to hear you are currently having problems with your girlfriend as she tries to quit the most addictive drug there is - it has me well hooked and god help anyone around me when I try to quit - keep out the way my friend!

Ironside said...

For the first time , there was a report this morning on madeleine...a spanish reporter in PDL...said that the mccanns through metodo 3 are insisting that Mr. Marques, be made an arguido...

PJ have said that this man has been fully questioned and that there is no connection between him and madeleines case....

No wonder the guy is fed up, he just wants to be left alone to live in peace with his family....

Things seem to be going from odd to odder.....
Mr Cortez stated last night that they are on the point of finding his daughter.....he has organised a search party for the weekend....with quads and horses....

When antena 3 reporter spoke to chief of police....he was stunned that Mr.Cortez had said such a thing...He said this is not true...there are no clues to Mari Luz's where abouts....Meanwhile...100.000 eaurs are reported to be in the account of Mr..Cortez....

Not bad the web site has only been open for three days.....Mr Cortez is looking happier by the minute...No sign of his wife though....Mr Cortez has decided he will do all the talking necessary.....

This is the mornings update viv from spain....

Your time....9.25 a.m.

Ironside said...

Pact of Silence

Madeleine’s parents and the friends with whom they spent their holidays in PDL are suspects in the inquiry. There are contradictory versions about the night of the kidnapping, and an assumed pact of silence in the group

The beginning of June is flowing in a strange way in the Algarve. A chilly wind and overhead clouds help to fill the auditorium of Lagos, where a solidarity concert is being held for the missing english girl. It’s been a month since Madeleine McCann vanished without a trace.

A few kilometres from Lagos, in the Ocean Club resort at Praia da Luz, the faint illumination further densifies the climate. At the reception, which leads to the Tapas restaurant, there is nobody. Getting inside is easy.

A portuguese waiter, but with a british ‘behaviour’, strikes the first blow on the journalist’s plan: “We only serve dinner to the club’s clients”. “What about a drink?”. He says yes.

It’s 9.30 p.m. If we were to believe the several members of the McCann’s holiday group, and after several mismatching versions, at this time Madeleine was being carried out of her apartment by a dark-haired man, who would be around 35 years old.

From the same table where the group of nine had dinner on that evening, one tries, in vain, to observe the apartment’s front – a ground floor apartment that faces the restaurant. A linoleum screen on the side of Tapas and the corridor of bushes that follows the limits of the apartment’s back yards prevents any vigilance to that level.

The image of Madeleine – big blue, questioning eyes and an innocent smile, fixed on the photographic films – is always present. It doesn’t leave the conversations of whom passes by. One remembers the words that the mother, Kate Healy, is supposed to have said to a friend (and that the husband, Gerry McCann, did not know): “I had a bad premonition about my children, when I found out the Ocean Club had no baby listening service”.

The choice of Algarve as a holiday destination would come to change their lives. Everything was arranged with three other couples, with whom they used to travel. Some of them had recently been to Greece, with their children, and the Mark Warner agency, the same that prepared their trip to the Algarve, had done their itinerary for the islands. According to their reports, the hotel where they stayed had a baby listening service – a service that is assured by four or five members of staff who would control the children while the adults dined, by listening through doors and windows to confirm that everything inside was quiet.

At the Tapas bar, from bartenders to staff from the Kid Club, criticism is whispered: “We have a creche where they left their children for most part of the day, where they could be until 11.30 p.m. without spending another Euro. They could also have used our baby-sitters, who stay with the children in their rooms until 1 p.m. In this case, they would have to pay an extra fee, but these people looked like they could afford it”, an employee comments, concluding that “this was a very strange group, that never stayed with their children”.

The children’s routine

The story of Madeleine looks like a tangled ball of wool. In the last days of April, Kate and Gerry, both 39 and doctors, arrive with their friends in Praia da Luz. The weather is not very good, but the group makes the best of it. The children seem to exist outside of the adults’ world. In the morning, Kate would take Madeleine, almost 4, and the 2-year old twins, to the Kid Club. The other couples in the group did the same. While the little ones entertained themselves with collages and paintings, the group divides itself between tennis and jogging until lunchtime. In the creche, the girl’s picture is taken: “She was shy and had some difficulty in adapting to the group. She always stayed close to the english children she already knew”.

It is at lunchtime that the families socialize a bit. After a short nap, the children go back to the Kid Club, while the parents use the activities that the club offers. They only get to meet again in the late afternoon, when the children’s dinner is served. Before 8 p.m., Madeleine and her siblings, who seem to function like a clock, are already asleep. Half an hour later, the group of friends meets at Tapas. The staff remember that they only leave at midnight: “They were very lively and drank a bit too much. I didn’t even realize they had children, because I never saw them around”.

Mathew Oldfield, one of the elements of the group, is back in England. He reacts with surprise upon the contact of Sol, but he does not avoid the conversation: “We drank. We were on holidays. So what?”.

And thus the days followed one upon another, at the Ocean Club. The holiday week is almost over and the group’s spirit does not change. Nobody had noticed until then, how the children were kept at a distance.

The most reliable way to undrestand what happened on May 3, when Madeleine disappeared, is to analyze the various versions that emerged.

It would have been 10 p.m. when Kate decided to check the children at the apartment. This is the only moment in the story that gathers consensus. Madeleine had vanished from her bedroom and the twins were sleeping like nothing had happened. The mother was back at the restaurant in one leap. She was disoriented.

PJ called two hours later

In seconds, the resort is in turmoil. The group’s four men and the club’s employees check every corner. They seem to be oblivious of the essential: to call the authorities. GNR is the first to arrive at the scene, but the news only reach Policia Judiciaria (PJ) more than two hours later. The first explanations arise. Where were the parents when the child disappeared? Gerry explains that, inspired in the scheme that some of the friends had used on their holidays in Greece, the nine members of the group took turns in checking on the children with some regularity.

This is the beginning of a story that will change in many chapters. Gerry starts by saying that he first left the table to check on the children around 9.05 p.m. When he entered the apartment the children were fine, he just noticed that the door to their bedroom was partially open. He looked at the window, which was closed, just as the shutters, and relaxed.

Ten minutes later, his friend Jane Tanner, who went around the apartments, crossed ways with a dark-haired man who was walking in the opposite direction, carrying a child. She didn’t make any connections either.

A few minutes later, Mathew Oldfield enters the room, sees the McCann children fast asleep, and notices nothing out of the ordinary. It is at 10 p.m. that Maddie’s mother discovers her daughter has disappeared. The window was wide open and the shutters were up.

To GNR, who is in the area with sniffer dogs to search for the child, this is a highly unlikely scenario. One of the military assures: “This is an extremely silent area, where there are practically no passing cars. That shutter was very difficult to lift from the outside, and would have made a lot of noise. It would have been a lot easier to use the door, but there were no signs of a break-in”.

This was just one of the reasons why the group became suspicious in the eyes of the investigators. Russell O’Brien, Jane Tanner’s husband, is already back in England, but he knows he could be summoned back to Portugal for a deposition anytime. Over the phone with Sol, he tries to keep his british phlegm: “It is normal that we are suspects, and the DNA test is a consequence thereof. We were the closest people involved”.

The conversation always comes back to the same issue: the night of the disappearance. The account of that last dinner has disparate versions among the group’s members. Some swear that someone left the table every half hour to check on the kids; other reduce that time to half of it. Some say control is made window by window; others say the adults entered each other’s apartments.

One of the employees that was on duty that evening does not remember a lot of movement: “I only remember a tall, grey-haired man getting up once from the table”. It was Russell, who, two days earlier, also had attended dinner.

An aerobic instructor from the resort entertains the dinner guests at Tapas with a ‘Quiz’. At 9.30 p.m. the game ends, and Gerry invites her to their table, where she stays for half an hour. During that time, as she later confided to friends, nobody left the table, but one of the chairs was vacant. Najova Chekaya refuses to talk to Sol. And Russell, when the questions start to surround him, loses his sympathy: “I have nothing further to tell you. I am not going to dishonor the compromise I assumed with Kate and Gerry. They want to control all infornation that is disclosed”.

Gerry changes his version several times, but he maintains that the door to his children’s room was open. Mat revokes his first statement: when he entered Madeleine’s room, the door was open and there was more light, as if the shutters had been raised. Here starts to develop the theory that there was already someone inside the apartment. Which reinforces Jane Tanner’s version (that she saw a man carrying a child).

Only Jane saw the man carrying a child

But there is a witness whose deposition contradicts this theory. Jeremy Wilkins – a tv producer who had met Maddie’s father during their holidays and used to play tennis with him – was walking his eight months old son at that time. He met Gerry, who went out through the apartment’s back door after having checked on the children, and the two man exchanged a brief conversation. At that time, if one is to believe the first accounts, Jane would have left Tapas in the direction of the apartment’s main entrance, and would have crossed paths with both of them. “It was a very narrow road and I think it would have been almost impossible to walk by without me taking notice”, Jeremy says, pointing out the fact that he saw no man carrying a child, as Jane states.

But Jane continues to guarantee that, at the top of the street, she saw a man with a child in his arms.

Although the area is scarcely lit, and the situation did not make her suspicious at the time, she describes the beige trousers, the dark thick jacket and the black classic-style shoes in a detailed way. Once again, Jeremy disagrees: “If that happened, I would have likely seen it”.

On the next day, the media circus was fully installed. The first reports are on Sky News first thing in the morning, even before portuguese press takes hold of the story. Journalists and locals dispute the information. Robert Murat, the son of an english mother and a portuguese father, with little luck in business, does not waste the opportunity. He moves from failed businessman into the role of a translator for the press and the police. Some british journalists, after sucking him to the bones, start suspecting his availability.

The Murat contradiction

Contrarily to the GNR elements and the Ocean Club’s staff, who participated in the searches on the night before and assure they did not see Murat around, Gerry and some of his friends guarantee that he was there. And thus he becomes an arguido.

Gerry and Kate’s friends, who are interrogated tightly by the PJ over almost a month, refuse to clarify this contradiction, when asked by Sol. “We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else’s business”, says David Payne, another element with the group. Minutes after we tried to contact Kate, Gerry, in a fury, calls the Sol journalist: “What do you think you are doing? Do you think you’re better than the portuguese police? I’m going to forward your contact to PJ and you will have to explain yourselves”.


PJ says ‘everybody is a suspect’

The director of the Policia Judiciaria in Faro, Guilhermino da Encarnacao, confirmed with Sol that “we do not discard the possibility to have the family and friends as suspects”. This is always done “without neglecting other clues. Everybody who was at the resort at the time are suspects”.

Sorry its so long Viv..but well worth reading....

Taken from Websleuths.....check out the sight...very interesting articles from portugal translated into english...a bit more balanced....what am I saying....a lot more balanced

Ironside said...

Tapas Timetable:

5:30 to 6:00 pm McCanns pick up their children from the crèche.

6:30 McCanns take Madeleine out for a snack.

7:30 (approx) Madeleine and the twins go to bed.

8:30 McCanns arrive at the Tapas Bar.

At Tapas Bar ---------------------------------- Not There

Kate McCann ---------------------------------- Everyone else
Gerry McCann

8:45 Russell O’Brien, Matthew and Rachael Oldfield arrive at Tapas Bar.

Kate ------------------------------------------ Jane Tanner
Gerry ----------------------------------------- Fiona Payne
Russell O’Brien --------------------------------- David Payne
Rachael Oldfield -------------------------------- Dianne Webster
Mathew Oldfield? (May have arrived later)

8:55 David and Fiona Payne arrive at Tapas Bar. David says all members, including Mathew, Russell and Jane, were there. Rachael Oldfield claims Mathew arrived a few minutes after the Paynes. No specific mention is made of Fiona’s mother, Dianne Webster, or Jane Tanner’s arrival.

Fiona Payne
David Payne
Dianne Webster? (Assume she arrived with her daughter/son-in-law.
Jane Tanner? (No arrival time given)

9:00 Mathew Oldfield checks on the children- he went back to apartments to do first check 5-15 minutes after his arrival time, depending on witness statements.

At Tapas Bar ---------------------------------- Not There

Kate ------------------------------------------- Mathew

9:05 Gerry leaves to check on children- this is corroborated by acquaintance Jeremy Wilkins who encounters Gerry while out walking his own child- they talk for a few minutes. Neither of the men see Jane Tanner (nor her, them) when she leaves for her child-check five minutes later, even though they are using the same narrow street to and from the Tapas Bar. Nothing is said about whether Gerry or Jane cross paths with Mathew Oldfield. Gerry will later report seeing light in the bedroom and the door open but assumed all was okay.

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew (not back yet)
Russell ---------------------------------------- Gerry

9:10 Jane Tanner is now checking on children- the 3rd person in ten minutes. If each parent was responsible for own child-check, this makes sense. But, when you take into account that Mathew Oldfield claims to have checked on the McCann children later on, it doesn’t. Also, has Jane already joined them at the Tapas Bar and left the group to check, or was her first appearance at the Bar after she checked the children? According to reports, one of her daughters was vomiting.
Jane, Gerry and Mathew have never said whether they ran into each other coming and going between the Tapas Bar and the apartments that night. But if this account is true, they must have seen each other.
Jane Tanner will also claim she saw a man in the dim light outside the apartment building holding something wrapped in a blanket and hurrying away. After Robert Murat is named an arguido, she will positively state it was him, and she will give a detailed description of him, claiming he was carrying a child who looked like Madeleine and dressed like her. However, she doesn’t mention this to anyone at the Tapas Bar at the time.

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew
Russell ---------------------------------------- Gerry
Rachael --------------------------------------- Jane

9:25 Gerry returns to the Tapas Bar, and Russell O’Brien will later tell the PJ that he and Mathew plan to visit the children. How can Mathew check on the kids when, if the reports are accurate, he hadn’t returned from his first visit? Neither is there any testimony of Jane’s return, so why is Russell checking their children if she is still with them?

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew
Gerry (after 20 min. absence) ------------------ Russell
Rachael --------------------------------------- Jane

9:30 Mathew and Russell leave the Tapas Bar. Mathew will also state that he saw light in the McCann apartment, and Russell will say his daughter was vomiting and he had to change her sheets. But housekeeping has no record of him asking for clean linens.
Najova Chekaya, aerobics instructor and quiz director, joins the party at Gerry’s invitation. She will later state that one chair was empty and nobody got up from the table except Kate (around 10:00).

At Tapas Bar ---------------------------------- Not There

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew
Gerry ----------------------------------------- Russell
Jane -------------------- or ------------------ Jane?

9:35 Mathew Oldfield returns to Tapas Bar.

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew?
Jane? (When did she rejoin group?)

9:45 Jane Tanner confirms that at this time, and not at 9:30, Russell and Mathew left to check on children. However, this is unlikely as Najova Chekaya makes no note of this and says Mathew was there.

Kate ------------------------------------------ Mathew?
Gerry ----------------------------------------- Russell?
Jane? (When did she rejoin group?)

9:55 Russell O’Brien returns to Tapas Bar.

Russell (gone either 10 or 25 minutes)

10:00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and discovers Madeleine missing. She goes back to the Tapas Bar to sound the alarm. They all leave the table except Dianne Webster. No mention is given about her departure except to say she returned to the bar at 10:05 for her purse and camera. Since, according to Jane’s testimony, Mathew hadn’t returned to the restaurant before Kate left, when did he get back?

If any of the McCann friends are suspected of harming Madeleine, I doubt it's Rachael Oldfield, the Paynes or Fiona's mother, Dianne. They didn't leave the table the entire time.

Also from webslueths...

Ironside said...

Note Viv ,,,this was an early time table....Gerry later added the tennis game and asking Payne to visit kate at 6.30...who said kate was coping happily.....
If gerry made this up...it was to narrow timeline...

Anonymous said...

Ironside oldfield visiting Kate depends on which article you read....timesonline magazine.....Gerry didn't continue with tennis due to achilles injury, so waited by the tennis courts for Kate and the children.
There are probably too many differing articles to know the exact truth on anyones timelines,
I believe that Jane Tanner never moved thus didn't see any bundleman, and ROB was missing from the table......other than that...........???

Ironside said...


Annon....Dear Annon ..please stop.....I feel a headache coming on....XX

Anonymous said...

Hi Ironside didn't intend to give you a headache (sorry).....I am sure the PJ have everything in hand and I believe charges will follow...It is just that we are all getting frustrated waiting for some hard evidence.

Anonymous said...

AND...docmac please post when you have time.....at least everyone will know you are OK.....your last post emanated a great sadness.

felicity said...

Hiya Ironside

What a great amount of information - thanks so much

News from Spain - so the McCanns are dictating Cooperman be made an Arguido. NO prizes for guessing why. I see the latest propaganda from the Pros on the Daily Express is hey being an arguido does not mean you did anything at all - it can be a big advantage. They obviously see the problem they have - the last people to be made arguidos (which no the McCanns certainly did not CHOOSE to be!) are the ones who are the current prime suspects. Their reasoning is simple - insist on this guy becoming the last suspect instead of them and then they can try and argue they have not done anything and their daft abduction theory still has validity. Fortunately, the Portuguese police do not take any notice of the McCanns demands - this poor man is not connected and is NOT going to be made an arguido. So all their expensive little games of late with the benefit of other people's money have been a complete waste of time - the McCanns are still in the position they hate so much but deserve so much - PRIME SUSPECTS.

Mari Luz Very odd indeed - reverse spin coming from Mr Cortez who now has 100,000 Euros in his bank account - he is on the verge of finding Mari Luz and the police say well no - we don’t have a clue where she is. This does have a sinister, familiar ring to it. Money seems to matter more than children to some… and makes them start to tell a lot of lies.

I just picked out a few highlights from your long post:

What a terrible thing for Kate McCann to say " I had a bad premonition about my children when I found out the Ocean Club had no baby listening service". So she knew they would not be using babysitters and would not be bothered to carry them to the crèche at night - they would leave them all on their own! And people have the gall to describe their behaviour as a "mistake"!

A Mark Warner employee commented "this is a very strange group that never stay with their children".

Madeleine and her siblings seem to function like a clock… The staff remember that they only leave at midnight: “They were very lively and drank a bit too much. I didn’t even realize they had children, because I never saw them around”.

Gerry explains that, inspired by the scheme that some of the friends had used on their holidays in Greece, the nine members of the group took turns in checking on the children with some regularity. This excuse is still being trotted out by Clarence to this day isn’t it and it really is not a very good one - they were not in Greece…

GNR officer : This is an extremely silent area, where there are practically no passing cars. That shutter was very difficult to lift from the outside, and would have made a lot of noise. It would have been a lot easier to use the door, but there were no signs of a break-in”.

Waiter: “I only remember a tall, grey-haired man getting up once from the table”. It was Russell…

We certainly get the picture…

Cheers Ironside
Luv Viv x
25.8.08 (I am around again now folks if you want to talk)

felicity said...

but hey dont worry it is so cold it is January, not August LOL

felicity said...

Hiya again Ironside

maybe I should set up a separate thread purely consisting of timetables - then we can compare and contrast and spot all those inconsistencies. It is very weird the want Gerry and Philomena were originally wanting to highlight Kate could not be left alone too long with the children - seeming to me to placing subliminal messages in peoples head about Kate - so in that original version he says he asked Payne to drop by whilst he was indulging in his third tennis lesson that day to see if Kate and the kids are OK. Now that story has gone and we get oh no, me and Kate were together the whole time - I did not leave her alone with the children - I was not playing tennis because I had an achilles tendon injury - this seems significant to me. The problem for the police, I think, has always been, how do they establish which one actually killed Madeleine. Kate is a smart cooky - she is simply not prepared to continue to keep her mouth shut if she is going to be dropped in it by clearly suggesting she was the only one who had chance to kill Maddie and Gerry then just came back and started the cover up. No, the new plan is let us say we were both there and then the police will not be able to prove which one killed her - well tough luck Gerry I know which one did it - the same one who put all those bruises on Kate's arm and face. Time to speak out Kate! IT REALLY IS HIGH TIME LADY

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Hope this question wont offend doc.

Viv is docmacs post saying that a live Maddie wont be going home...or
a corpse wont be going home for burial

felicity said...

Hiya anon

sorry have been out for a few hours - Doc's post is on here somewhere - I think he simply said something like the poor wee lass was definitely not coming home and he was upset, clearly meaning he knew for sure she is dead. He did not say anything about burial.

Viv x

felicity said...

Docs post is on diversionary tactics about third way down the page.

Anonymous said...

Viv, thanks for reply, yes that is the way I took it when I initially read docs post...then after reading various comments elsewhere re. disposal of a body I wondered if Maddie had been disposed of in such a way that she would never come home in ANY way.

Take no notice of the blinkered Rosie and co. They will still be protesting that they were set up by the PJ after charges and conviction.

Is she on the DX all day or after work hours.

felicity said...

Hiya Anon

You are right becaus Rosie has been talking about them going to the European Court of Human Rights for some time and before they can do that - they have to allege that Portugal or the United Kingdom (the Defendant has to be a
Member State - it cannot be "the police" ) breached their human rights i.e. by not providing them with a fair trial and they have to appeal - then they wait 5 or 6 years to get to the European Court! Prior to that she was very simplistically stating the European Court are going to have the PJs - unfortunately she tries to offer an opinion stating it in very clear language as though it is a fact but regrettably she obviously knows nothing about law at all and clearly does not attempt to learn either.

She has called me a fake lawyer with a "fantasy law degree" - I also have another degree in criminal justice! and Doc a fake doctor "Quackmac" - people like that never do learn! They already "know it all" - these people are always, in reality "know nothings" because they do not have the ability to learn from others - closed mindedness ..love the sound of their own voice - hence nearly 6000 posts on the DE - so many almost identical!

Viv :-)

Ironside said...

The parents of Madeleine McCann have been approached to appear on the Oprah Winfrey Show and another top US chat show, their spokesman has confirmed.
Clarence Mitchell said both Oprah Winfrey and ABC star Barbara Walters wanted to interview the McCanns.

But he ruled out any interviews while Kate and Gerry McCann remained suspects in the disappearance of their daughter.

Madeleine, then aged three, went missing from the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on 3 May.

'Bidding war'

Mr Mitchell has refuted allegations that the two shows are in a bidding war for an exclusive interview with the couple.

He said: "There is categorically no truth to the suggestion that any sort of bidding war is currently taking place between American networks or American programmes.

"It [a bidding war] is not something we would encourage.

While we've been in contact with the McCann family representatives, we are in no way involved in a bidding war

Oprah Winfrey Show producers

"Gerry and Kate will not be doing any sit-down interviews whilst they remain arguidos [suspects]... nor has any money for any such interview ever been discussed in any shape or form."

A spokeswoman for Harpo Productions, which produces the Oprah Winfrey Show, said: "While we've been in contact with the McCann family representatives, we are in no way involved in a bidding war.

"The Oprah Winfrey Show does not pay for news interviews."

Earlier this month, Kate and Gerry McCann denied suggestions they were planning a movie about Madeleine's disappearance.

At the time, Gerry McCann said they were approached by a "huge number of media outlets regarding a myriad of projects" of which they only agreed to a "tiny proportion".

However, he did confirm there had been a "preliminary discussion" with a production company about a documentary on the issues the family had faced since the disappearance of their daughter.

More lies to add to the list...It would appear Winfrey does not do paid interviews....

Ironside said...

Hi Docmac....I have posted this from "BEACHY " he posts on the 3 arguidos,,,,it is very similar to your way of thinking...that it was cleaning up matterials in the car and not madeleines body...
I did ask his permission....

Ironside said...

There are several different types of fluids present in the body at the time a person dies, including blood, synovial fluid in the joints, urine in the bladder, mucus in the lungs or other parts of the body, cerebrospinal fluid, even ocular fluid in the eyes. After death, these fluids begin to break down rapidly as putrefaction and decay occur. Several weeks after death, say three weeks, the length of time that Madeleine McCann had been dead before her parents hired the Renault Scenic, the primary types of "corpse fluids" that would be found in a body would be two: sera, the liquid part of the blood, which would contain white blood cells that could be a source of DNA (somewhat surprisingly, mature red blood cells lack a nucleus and therefore do not contain DNA); and an exudate from the lungs that occurs after a person dies and may be frothy or bloody-looking and would also contain cells that could be a source of nuclear DNA.

Although either of these two "corpse fluids" could be a source of nuclear DNA, the DNA could be degraded due to heat, exposure to sunlight or cleaning fluids, or merely the passage of time.

We have read in press reports both that "corpse fluids" were found on a piece of carpeting in the Renault Scenic, and that a sample of blood determined to be Madeleine's was also found there. At this point we are prisoners of the press, as with so many other things in this case, and do not know which (if either) is correct. SirPrize has written, and I wholeheartedly agree, that any blood found in the boot of the Scenic would have been there as the result of transfer from an item that was bled on whilst Madeleine was alive or very shortly after her death. For example, if Madeleine had died of some injury that caused her to bleed and her body had been wrapped in a towel or sheet, and that item had then been transported in the Scenic, blood could have been transferred to the boot of the car. Her body would not still have been xxxxxxxx 20 days after she died.

The "corpse fluids" mentioned above could also have been transferred to the Scenic in this manner, or directly from Madeleine's body. Any post-mortem fluids, however, would be likely to occur in smaller quantity than blood from a xxxxxxxx wound serious enough to kill a child. Therefore, as SirPrize has pointed out, the presence of either blood or corpse fluids in the Scenic would not require that Madeleine's body itself had been transported in the car; she could have been buried or disposed of someplace and items that had been in contact with her bloody or dead body could have been carried in the car at some point.

Your opinion would be great.....

felicity said...

Hi Ironside

Thanks for posting an educated opinion that is very helpful.

Viv x