28 Jan 2008

Does Mr Bennett bat for the McCanns?

If this man is a qualified solicitor then he would have know that these parents were being investigated for homicide, not simple child neglect. Therefore any summons in the Magistrates Court would have been doomed to failure. There is no way in a complex criminal investigation they were going to allow details of this case to start being unpacked before unqualified magistrates. Details of the evidence against them is precisely what the McCanns want so desperately. Why would they want it so desperately if they were innocent - they would know there cannot be any. So who was trying to give them a helping hand? Mr Bennett! Some may also consider the McCanns would give their eye teeth simply to be prosecuted for child neglect but again any qualified solicitor would have known that such a prosecution was impossible in the UK. The offence of child neglect was committed in Portugal and therefore the UK has no jurisdiction to prosecute them. The UK does have jurisdiction to prosecute them for the much more serious offence of homicide however - by virtue of a clause in the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 which clearly states that any UK citizen who has committed homicide abroad may be prosecuted in the UK. Such prosecutions have gone ahead. It was no good the McCanns thinking rushing back to the UK was going to let them get away with murder - but it was going t let them get away with neglect. However, it seems to me that if the McCanns did not kill Madeleine by assaulting her, then they killed her by neglecting her - so the neglect is part and parcel of the offence of manslaughter by gross negligence in leaving her alone, possibly also, drugged up.

If Mr Bennett does not bat for them - then he is just an attention seeked who "wants his 15 minutes of fame" and in my view, should be ignored.

The question of parents going to the pub and leaving children unattended simply will not be put right by bringing in yet more laws - what difference would this make? The law is already there - you go to the pub and leave your kids and as a result one of them dies - you are on a manslaugher rap. If there is lesser harm - the law is also there - Children and Young Persons Act 1933. This is a social issue. We need to make it clear it is socially unacceptable to leave your kids alone. We need to make it clear the Portuguese way of not dumping their kids in bed but treating their children in an inclusive way and having their meal with the adults is the right way. This is about education. We re-educated the public that it is socially unacceptable to drink and drive by media campaigns. This is the way forward with rotten parents who do not know how to treat their children properly. Simply having yet another law on the statute book would not make a jot of difference.


Viv x

59 comments:

LIZZY said...

Hi Viv,
Really good point there as you say he was doomed to fail so what was his motivation in doing this private prosecution ? Was it to add fuel to the Mccanns possible claims they will not get a fair trial? Or was it for his own moment in the spotlight. In any case it accomplished nothing and may have done more harm than good.

dolores said...

Hi Viv,
You are absolutely correct, did Mr Bennett not get rejected a couple of months ago for the very same procedure for a 'Maddies Law' and the magistrate looking at the petition and his appeal, threw it out and told him that this was out of UK jurasdiction.
After all this is surely interfering in the case.
Bless you sweet Maddeleine, we are your voice. xx


PS remember I said I was reinstated yeterday afternoon after being banned for no good reason by DX, well I posted nothing as it was not a debate, more like a cat fight, which I wanted no part of.This morning Iwas suspended I never posted anything again. Mysterious goings on.I have writtrn asking them to explain, no reply so far.
xxxx

felicity said...

Hiya Lizzie - I think at best Mr Bennett can be described as an interfering old twit who really ought to know better! Clearly there are more serious implications..

I think people who jump on this bandwagon suggest themselves as people who just want to bash the McCanns rather than wanting to see justice done for little Maddie by fair and proper legal procedures to estabish the truth and hopefully recover her dear little body and have her properly laid to rest as he deserves. Having said that I have drawn much comfort from some lovely comments from some of our Portuguese ladies. Like Athena particularly - That they now take care of the little angel and she is safe with them in Portugal - this I truly believe and so maybe she should rest with those lovely people who have worked so tirelessly to find her and bring her justice - for this I will always hold a special place in my heart for the Portuguese people and their dedicated police officers - most particularly Dr Goncalo Amaral.

Luv Viv x

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

Mr Bennett just does not stop his interference and dropping his email address all over forums - I give it a wide berth!

The Daily Express wrote and told me they deleted Assasin and she just cannot post any more - well strange she is posting away.

I am interested in the persecution of you when they allow these maniacs to persist - it does not say anything good about their behaviour does it! Maybe in a few weeks they just use it as the excuse to shut the forum down! We wanted people to have their say but blah blah blah - well we can testify to how they picked on decent people and did nothing to stop the maniacs..

Luv Viv xxxx

LittleGreyCell said...

22.07

Dear Dolores,

Sorry to hear about your hard time with the DX for no reason - I was suspended for being the victim of a cloning!

I, too, wrote - twice or three times - and heard nothing back, so called them up on the phone number they give.

Got through to a very nice woman who reinstated me on the spot.

Speak to them in person - I'm not sure they even read all the email they receive...

Good luck!

X LGC

felicity said...

Hiya LGC

Well I see Rosie herself got cloned last night er apparently (probably cloned herself) - did they use that as an excuse to ban her - well of course not.

I think the Daily Express are a little worried in my case - they have sent two emails today and are trying to explain that legally my character is not being defamed by these people writing appalling abuse about me every night for several hours at stretch. Tell it to the fairies...(!)

Great to hear from you.

Viv x

dolores said...

Viv,
All I can say is the best posters have left,it is going down hill fast.At the moment its mostly 'the chain gang' you can see them sitting in anticipation for the next battle.
They did not appreciate the valuable input of knowledge of posters like you and docmac, and a few other professional opinions.

xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi Viv,

Clarence’s manipulation of the media is transparently obvious the question this raises in my mind is why they go along with it. The press are seasoned commentators and would have seen many times before the stunts people pull; they have savvy so why do they go along with this. Could it be just simply be circulation figures i.e. McCann headlines of any kind sell newspapers?

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

Too right they dont - they ban us! Although in fairness I am sure Doc is not banned - it is just that he is fed up of posting on there - it is not a forum you could take seriously and to try to find a reasonable view point takes hours of scrolling through miles of rubbish and libel. So the DE either ban serious posters or just allow the maniacs to take over so that serious posters dont want to bother with it.

Maybe anon has the answer - after all if it was not for Ludicrous there would not be any McCann stories. Advertising revenue is what makes papers rich and advertisers go for papers with big circulation - papers know a way to increase their circulation even better than Princess Diana - the McCanns - the public like infamy better still. Nasty really! Rosie and Co give them plenty of that dont they - the nasty side of human nature probably does fascinate us all. Nice people are much easier to understand!

Luv Viv x

dolores said...

Dear Rat on the Beam
The annoying thing about it was there was a peaceful debate about the so called 'abductors'there was no baiting as there was mostly people who cared for Madeleine at the time. I did not insult anyone and I certainly did not say anything offensive about the Mc's.There were posts removed by 6 Antis, including myself all about the same time,some posters had two removed in successtion, all for legal reasons. It was really odd.
xxx

LittleGreyCell said...

22.32

Hi Viv,

I haven't been reading the DX forum much this week and didn't see the Rosiepops cloning thing. Will go back and find it.

(AAaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!!!!!! Two Rosiepopsies!!!)

I think you're absolutely right - if the DX is sending you multiple explanations of why you don't have any need to sue them, they must indeed be worried!!

Yay!!

BTW, I'm reading much at the moment but not necessarily posting - life is a little busy at present. But we're here in spirit - if not in herring :>)

Good luck with everything tomorrow.

X LGC

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

I can see that you are hurt and upset by being banned by the DE and trust me this is certainly something I can relate to.

One way to look at it is to look at the Contempt of Court laws which all newspapers really do fear. If they print stuff that damages an ongoing criminal case they are in big trouble with top judges in the UK and get slammed with massive fines and their reputations severely damaged - The Sun and The Mirror have been the main recipients of such infamy awards. The Daily Express is one tread further up the ladder from these two rags.

Nothing Rosiepotty and co say can prejudice the trial of Kate and Gerry McCann because they are so blatantly on the side of the McCanns - so the Daily Express does not have anything to fear from them. On the other hand intelligent posters who can see exactly what is going on and write about obviously do cause fear - hence their posts get removed "for legal reasons" and they get removed.

So in a way getting banned by the Daily Express is actually quite flattering - it means you are intelligent and you talk sense and are not afraid to say so. This is certainly not intended to insult those who do not get banned - there are many who hang on because they do know what is going on but hold back on some of their opinions - that is intelligent as well because it allows them to stay on there. But I am a forthright person and will say what I think - within reason. I would certainly not say anything untoward once the McCanns are actually charged and certainly will not just slate them for the sake of being salacious and nasty e.g. by going on about swinging etc! This has nothing to do with them neglecting and injuring Maddie so far as I know so as it is irrelevant and I have no evidence of it at all I will not go on about it.

Luv Viv x

Anonymous said...

It never occurred to me that Tony Bennett was anything other than a concerned grandfather.
It makes perfect sense to me that he is on the Mccann's side.
Thank you for your excellent blog.

dolores said...

Dear sensible Viv
You have given me another way of looking at this, and now it makes sense.I feel so much better now, I did not post there much I know,but it was nice think that I at least I was another voice for this child.So thank you for putting me with the 'intelligencia, lol...I am flattered I could hug you for your kind words, I could feel it came from your heart.

luv ya
xxx

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
Is it tomorrow you go back to the hospital with your son for tthe scan? If so the best of luck and hope all goes well. I will think of you tomorrow as I know how worrying these things can be..Lizzy x

dolores said...

Viv I forgot to mention earlier about something I considered disturbing.
That was in The Times yesterday, Ray Wyre he was talking about the Mc's in A glowing fashion,and went on to mention when he sees the twins, ''They said they were going to find the monster that took Maddie.then dashed off to play the game.''

What on earth are they doing to these tots, I cannot believe they even discuss Madeleine in this way in front of them. I am so sad for the twins, so sad.

I hope all goes well tomorrow,for your son.

xxxxxxx

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

I am glad my thoughts put it into perpective for you. The thing is the press generally know far more about a criminal case than they are allowed to print. So unwittingly you can write something that is actually perfectly true and they know it is but it goes to the heart of the criminal investigation and they dare not print it. Some of your posts I think have really hit the spot just like my own and others do. I mean they would not be letting Rosie * Co post because they like them would they!! There must be easier people to like than that little brigade...

Re your second post - again well spotted and I have not seen this - you really are on the ball! It goes to heart of why I decided to call this site not just Justice for Maddie but for the twins as well. What we have consistently seen from Kate and Gerry McCann is that they are just not fit parents. The treatment of their children is like something from a horror story. I am deeply ooncerned about the twins emotional well-being - the more so having read what you tell me above. The sooner they can be removed from these two and placed in a normal home environment the better. Very sadly children do not get to choose their parents but these two little darlings have the right to a normal, loving and caring home environment where they are not put in terrible fear - even at aged 3. We can see the McCanns do not even have the mentality to consider fears in children - fears of little Maddie crying all night for them - they go and do it again. It is heartbreaking to even contemplate a little child suffering such anguish. If those two little ones did not have doctors for parents they would have been far better off - because they would have been removed nine months ago and memories would be fading and they could start to have a normal life.

I love you too - you are a kind caring person and an intelligent one too!

Luv Viv xxxx

felicity said...

Anon - I am pleased you like the blog and find it helpful.

Lizzie - thanks so much yes at 2.20 tomorrow. I know you will be thinking of us and that really helps - that people care. Like when I had my op - it really cheered me how many nice thoughs and comments I got.

Luv Viv xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi Viv,
Sent a post to you earlier, but may have hit the wrong button. Doh!
Anyway, the DE site has descended into chaos. No surprise there. It's been coming for a long time. Do you remember when the McCann Mafia hijacked the moral high ground - until the term Justice for Maddie came along?
Anyhow now:- The Chief Thugs Rosiepops and Lazarus have excelled themselves lately. Last night, a newcomer named Honey1 wrote in capital letters, and was ridiculed for hours as a 'nutter' amongst other things by the Chief Thug and their girl gang of morons. Finally, Honey1 posted that she was half-blind, and that's why she wrote in big letters. The response? Lazarus in all his thuggish arrogance spared her a few words like 'sorry...didn't realise...got to go now'. RP stayed online, but offered no apology, nor did the girl gang. What a despicable bunch of neanderthals, they are. The DE moderators have received their 'slap' for allowing it, and again tonight, another few 'slaps', but they are paid to do their job, and so they will, for better or worse. I won't be posting on the site again; gave it too much time anyway; was just curious to see how the new media worked in what was one of the least censored sites in mainstream media. However, I am thoroughly disgusted at what I've seen. The McCann Machine of media manipulators were always bound to be there, but it is a gross distortion of free speech when they are allowed to use thuggish ways to berate, belittle and attack others. Disgusting ad hominem. I've never seen anything like it, and that infuriates Lazarus of course, and RP. They soooo dislike being shown up as thugs. Thugs with keyboards, that's all they are. Monkeys of any kind can bash away on keyboards.
Anyway, just to say: you are fondly remembered by many, and I hope your site continues. I won't post on DE again, although my parting shots were a deliberate slap for the thugs, and I've asked for my name to be removed. Well, the moderators can hardly say no :-) and there will be other ways of teaching them the error of their ways.
As for the McCanns: I've no doubt it's a libel court for them, and their cronies, in due course. So much more revealing than a criminal court, don't you think?
Best wishes to you and yours. x

felicity said...

Anon - thanks so much - I read your post with great interest. I was watching the DE when the disabled girl got so badly abused and had to point this out. No racial sensitivity, no sensititivity for the rights of children, no sensitivity for freedom of speech, no sensitivity for disabled people - like myself! A mindless bunch of thugs with no empathy - they do not even know the meaning of the word - so no surprise they do not see anything wrong with Kate and Gerry McCann.

Nite Nite my friend!

Viv x

felicity said...

Anon - thanks so much - I read your post with great interest. I was watching the DE when the disabled girl got so badly abused and had to point this out. No racial sensitivity, no sensititivity for the rights of children, no sensitivity for freedom of speech, no sensitivity for disabled people - like myself! A mindless bunch of thugs with no empathy - they do not even know the meaning of the word - so no surprise they do not see anything wrong with Kate and Gerry McCann.

Nite Nite my friend!

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Dear Viv,
And no front page story on the DE today. Let's see how they like THAT. The media have played this 'game' as amateur RP and the McCann Machine call it for a lot longer than they have. The media is ruthless, and long outlives those who play with fire, just as Clarence Mitchell, a former DE employee, is doing. This is the long 'game', Viv, and liars will be held to account.
Nite nite, Viv x

Anonymous said...

I don't believe Mr Bennett is batting for the McCanns.
Having been on Anorak forum with him for many months I can at a gut level really say that he wants justice for Madeleine and Child Neglect charges are one way of achieving this.
I hear what you all say about this being the lesser charge but having been closely linked with his postings, I have to say he is not glory grabbing, or pro Mc. You really have to believe me on this and not slay someone who is doing their bit in trying to bring justice for Madeleine.
Keep that rage for Clarrie, Parsons and all the other one celled amoebas preventing justice.

felicity said...

Hiya Anon

I am not saying it is the lesser charge - I am saying it was an impossible charge in the UK due to lack of jurisdiction. So that certainly would not bring justice for Maddie. When the fact of neglect may form part of a more serious offence of manslaughter you simply cannot try and deal with just one part of that offence. If Mr Bennett is a solicitor then he would surely know this - hence I have to query what his real motivation is in seeking to interfere in the proper administration of justice in this case.

It is a bit like Clarence Mitchell is supposedly acting in the best interests of Kate and Gerry McCann but in reality what he has done has made people highly suspicious of them - so again perhaps one could question his motives also - how much money he can earn - getting himself back in the spotlight where he undoubtedly likes to be - Mr Bennett has got himself in the spotlight but done nothing to achieve justice for Madeleine. That is a job for the police and proper application and understanding of the law. What other homicide investigation have you heard of where some solicitor seeks to mount a prosecution of the suspects for a far less serious offences that has no prospects whatsoever of success? Is this what you call justice?

Viv x

Ironside said...

Hi Lizzy,A poster is looking into whether there is a connection between Tanner and Cooper..I am sure when he finds out he will post..

Ironside said...

Mari Luz',Police have scaled right back there search....they say there is no evidence of a kidnap...or clues of any kind....
There are just a few people in the street with photos of mari luz...This was never covered by the news....

The whole story seems to have faded away....

Ironside said...

Leigh...Well done ,you really socked it to them, and got your licks, in, I can understand your disgust at these moron's assassin appears rather unstable...
In fact if you look on the HFML site ,they are weird....they all post like Reina...Possibly it is one person sending these posts.....deeply religious and over the top mush.....Jo Griffin has a lot to answer for.....

Ironside said...

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[quote="DeadlyCatch"]Just has a PM to my DEx inbox, is this any use to you?

"Nbrado the owner of www.the3arguidos.net is Sofacleese/Hippychick. He has hijacked the mirror Maddy forum and taken its members to his site. All mention of Sofacleese is now banned on his site. He is banning users and deleting any questioning posts. Please forward this to all those interested in justice. This man is a monster on an Ego trip that will cost us all dearly. As Sofacleese he has closed the only true avenue to justice that we have for Madeleine."

****** (Mirror Username).

Checked the website the woman quoted but it is closed off, is this a wind up or not?[/quote]


Anon ,,Whats happening ,this is how rumours start....???????

Anonymous said...

Ironside, I have no idea what is going on, have never been able to understand the politics and subterfuge of these forums.
I was gobsmacked the other day when someone accused me of being docmac and then you.

Apart from giving the admin on the mirror some harrassment I can't understand what the point is.

See you over there when it is up and running again.

Take care

felicity said...

Hiya Ironside

I am saddened by the unexplained disappearance of Mari Luz and no evidence of any abduction - what are they doing with this poor child?

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Viv, Thanks for the info re A Bennett. Food for thought. Will defo not make any donations if am asked to via e-mail or otherwise. Cant believe I've been possibly duped.

Ironside said...

TAKEN FROM...JOANA MORAIS VERY INTERESTING FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED...
29.01.08, 1:21pm

I found this post in the Daily Mirror forum:

In the interest of finding the truth, it's always a good idea to have the experts weigh in. We each bring our own particular area of expertise to the table but will not have the education and experience in other fields. And the jigsaw must have all the pieces to be complete.

So, in order to flesh out the picture I bring you now the thoughts of a friend of mine who just happens to be a well-trained psychiatrist with many years of experience in the law enforcement field. This person has worked directly with criminals. This is what she had to say. Mind you, this person has never interviewed/examined any of the subjects of this case -- these are just impressions. But after many years in the business and having seeing the same patterns over and over, I would say this individual's observations and opinions are worth not only reading but taking note of. So, with that disclaimer, this is what my friend had to saw about the McCanns after reading up on this case:


GERRY -- Gerry has narcissistic PD (personality disorder) with grandiose ideas, under the thumb though. Could be "folie à deux" or "folie simultanée" it comes in many degrees. E.g. A man points to the sky and says, "Look at that!" "Oh yes!" says another. "I can see it!" See what??! There's nothing there.

Folie à deux and folie simultanée



KATE & G&K -- She killed Maddie, never bonded, Maddie was a nuisance, interfering with the perfect TWINS. Ad drugs, sedation, drink, left on their own, swinging, a lot to lose, big coverup. Interesting that she trained in many specialities, ending in anesthetics!! None are of any use as she has not practiced in ANY of them, well maybe on herself?? She is very controlling, demanding, needy I would say, feeds off G. At home he is weak, frightened of her but loves her -- almost an Oedipus complex. But at work he is ambitious and dangerous, ruthless. Narcissists usually find each other; she is the bully at home, and he is the arrogant bully at work.

Kate is ill, whether she get treatment is difficult to say, she is in total denial, what upsets me, and, I have dealt with many women who have killed their children, is her attitude and her family's behaviour. Its as if Maddie was never wanted, except by Kate's mother.

Read up on narcissists, they want trophy children, Maddie did not fit the bill, she was... a law unto herself.. not easily manipulated.

MADDY: A child is for life, not just for Christmas! Maddie was like an unwanted dog with behavior problems, oh! just put it down.

But it was not an intentional murder, not consciously anyway. I am not that sure WHO did it, mum or dad.

utub video

In that video, she is worried about where the next smack is coming from; she is not sure how she should respond = abuse. If that was the only video they could produce of her, it says it all!! I have 16 grandchildren and a video camera and editing suite, I do not have any pictures as disturbing as that one.

PREDICTION: But they will get away with it, In am sure, whats the point of putting them in prison now, their life is over now, better the ??? over their heads for the rest of their time on this earth, as they are now immortal. So is the child.

Docmac...I always listen to the experts...seems like you could be right....Here it was always noted that kate is the one in control....Gerry just follows....

SueB said...

Kind of sums up my thoughts too. Thanks Ironside.
3.53pm

Anonymous said...

She was certainly more in control than he was when they both left Portimao after being made Arguidos.

Ironside said...

Hi Anon...His face that day...to me he was shocked as though he had learnt something he did not know....Kate had already been made an arguido....maybe he found out that PJ knew more than he thought,,,,or kate had not told him something...he looked as though he had been crying...His eyes were swollen and red.....Plus he tripped as he was approaching the car,then laughed ...from nerves I would have said....




Viv ....How did it go to day...Hope its good news....

Atardi said...

Hallo Viv,

I hope your son received good news today at the hospital.

20.32

Ecolab said...

As I wrote Viv yesterday at:
"Pictures Kates injuries on a variues date"
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Hi Viv

Picture number 3. You are asking : "May 11th - covered up: tension in neck, look of repressed rage or is it fear on
Kate's face?"

It is a little difficult to establish. The picture is not that good. I have blown it up 300 % and this is what it tells me.

" Gerry is very much in control of Kate and the situation. He is doing quite a job in trying to controll what the observer is allowed to see! He is so keen in his manipulation, that he forgets several things. It gives backlash.(Look at his shoulders, chest, hands, mouth and eyes.) He looks guilty like hell. He is trying to and thinking that, he is fooling the World.


Kate is letting herself being lead by Gerry. She is alert(red code). This one is classical for Kate. Right now, in this picture, she concentrate in listening every word said around her, and every glance there is put on her from people around her.
This is not rage, it is not fear. It is cold calculation. She is hiding and twisting every picture, sounds and words comming in her way. (I wouldnt mind listening to her intern dialoge - it is so hot, I can feel the heat)
I`m so happy, she is not my mum!


This one , Viv ...you got for free. ;-))

Greetings from Denmark

DK time 20:30
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I do not agree quite in what Ironside is qouting from the Daily Mirror. There is a lot to be examined and questions to be asked, if the case comes that far. I think it will.
Gerry is defently the one in charge, when it comes to public appearence. They fit each other like a hand in a glove.

" In that relationship/union, is Gerry the minister of foreign affairs - Kate is the minister of internal affairs,...so to speek"

Quite a scaring couple

I think they were both present at the faktual moment. Gerry was for sure. I wrote something yesterday about bodylangue. If you dare, you can see it here. Very chocking.
"No, they are NOT innocent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSaexBAg88&NR=1


What happends at 3:18 is awfull. Gerry is actually having an internal dialog with himself remembering sounds and noises at this point. Right here Gerry is listning to, partually seeing a ghost( Something happend here and it is to Madeleine).

It makes me sick!"


I do NOT feel sorry at all for those monsters.
Greetings from Denmark

felicity said...

HI ALL

I do find the subject of Kate and Gerry's personality/ Kate's mental health fascinating and your interesting posts got me searching the archives here for the opinion of the Spanish Psychiatrist following the Antenna 3 interview. It will be seen he finds Kate cold, unemotional and with increasingly serious mental health issues which he says she has had for a long time.

I have always thought that in Gerry's case he does not have mental health problems - he is the controller and controls everything in my opinion - he is the action man that makes things happen - in his own perverse way he feels to cover up what they have done. To me he does displays traits of narcissism - most certainly grandiosity - the beatific grin outside The Whitehouse - this is where Gerry sees himself - rich, powerful and important. In the main however I think he is more typically psychopathic - traits of these two personality disorders cross over and sometimes people may have a dual diagnosis. In the psychiatrist's comments he says that Gerry is seen to control everything Kate says and does. He has followed her across the world - this is typical stalking behaviour of a man who needs to possess and control a woman - I really do not think Kate has been an easy subject for him. I do get the impression she is a lot brighter than him and in some respects more frightening because she is so difficult to read, but clearly does have a temper when roused. I agree she is needy and seems to display some of the traits of borderline personality disorder - she needs Gerry to fix everthing and sort things out - this is where he excels - feeling busy and thinking he is resolving issues. If Kate is controlling it is in a much quieter and more sinister way. I sometimes get the impression she smugly looks on at him but feels that deep down she is in control. Men who need to control a woman as Gerry does are sometimes lacking in self esteem and need to boost it in many ways that Gerry displays - he always seeks out positions of authority and control that will increase his wealth and to him his power. When Kate tries to resist his controlling ways I feel he resorts to physical violence - the ultimate means of control. Both are very odd people, I think it would be unrealistic for any of us to say with any degree of certainty who actually killed Madeleine and so I look to the physical evidence that we have. Perhaps a couple who systematically abused Madeleine - mentally and physically, neither of them having the empathy to see how wrong or harmful this is. But on Kate, we also see many signs of physical violence, and so for me this does suggest that Gerry is more likely to be the one who harmed Madeleine, but I would have to accept either have the capacity to be abusive and harmful and Kate is far more difficult to understand given we are limited in what we have seen and heard. She does not make her innermost thoughts and actions obvious like Gerry does. It seems clear to me he continues to push the media campaign and she sees the error of this. I believe this is causing great disharmony between them but they are both smart enough to know that if they do not stand firm together - the chances of a finding of guilt greatly increase.

Viv x

Kate cries like a poker playerCorreio da Manha - 26 de Outubro de 2007The key to the mystery lies "certainly with Kate, a very special and disturbed woman", guarantees to CM Jose Cabrera Fornero, a forensic psychiatrist who has been following the case since the beginning. The Spanish man attentively watched "the staged interview" that the couple gave to Antena 3, and its purpose was "to have the Spanish people on their side". But 70 percent of the viewers who called the channel believes the McCanns are lying, and the psychiatrist sides with them - "by crying without moving a single muscle, Kate looked like a poker player".A specialist in facial expressions, Cabrera says that "the face of Kate is always the same, except for the tears - the first ones over the last five months and curiously only after having been criticised for not crying". Now she did it but her face "doesn't express any emotion or feeling. When one cries, one's face muscles move, and she didn't move a single muscle, just like poker players. That is highly significant", says the Spanish psychiatrist, and "brings us the certainty that she is hiding something".Cabrera says the 30 minutes of conversation ended up being "a non-spontaneous interview, perfectly ordered in terms of the questions that were asked by the journalist. And it gives us the impression that the entire stance was staged by the couple".The Spanish man even remembers Gerry's last sentence and even considers it "genial": "Don't talk until they take the microphone off you". This only proves that all of it was just a big theatre play, the entire interview was staged. That is clear".Jose Cabrera noticed that "during half an hour of interview his only concern was to control her. It's extraordinary. Whenever she opened her mouth to speak, he squeezed her hand - and all of this because the key to this mystery certainly lies with her, she is a very special woman..."Kate McCann "had psychiatric problems for a long time", the specialist guarantees, and "now they have become worse". Cabrera retained an interview that Maddie's grandparents gave to the Spanish television recently: "In their innocence, they said that Kate had told them, some time before the disappearance, that the little girl was looking increasingly like herself, which from a psychiatric point of view means a lot..."For the Spaniard, the origin of a bad relationship between mother and daughter - that was reflected by the writings about Madeleine in Kate's personal diary - "which is highly significant" for all the specialists that have been following this case since early May".Gerry's greatest concern has been "to control his wife's impulses in public - and that was once again well demonstrated throughout this interview", says Jose Cabrera Fornero. "He is the one who dominates the entire situation, he knows everything and he knows he must control her and her problematic personality, so she does not exceed herself in front of the cameras and talks too much..."All the gestures and facial expressions "become fatal for someone who has something to hide" - this is dictated by the experience that was collected over the years by this specialist in forensic psychiatry. "And there is no way to avoid that."Nothing moves Jose Cabrera "against this couple", whom he does not know, but he defended the McCanns' guilt in the 'Pros & Contras' show on RTP, when the Policia Judiciaria confirmed their suspicions on the couple - and yesterday he reinforced his theory to CM, one day after Kate and Gerry chose Spain for their first interview after becoming arguidos.The English press itself confirmed yesterday that "70 percent of viewers that called Antena 3 believe the McCanns are lying", the online edition of the 'Daily Mail' announced.Jose Cabrera was not surprised: "Any English person is cold, but there is something more to her - her personality is not normal. And he makes an impression by only worrying about her answers..."(...)"The interview was a circus act": Moita Flores, criminologist, considers the interview was another act from the McCanns.Correio da Manha - What is your opinion about the McCanns during the interview they gave to Spanish television?Moita Flores - The whole thing looked like a circus act to me, duting which the couple repeated the usual commonplaces, once again escaping the essential. And once again they revealed that they have a lot to tell, but they don't want to...- During this interview to Antena 3, Kate shows herself a lot more emotional that usual.- But the curious thing was that even before this interview was made, it was known the lady was going to cry, which then happened. And she even managed to play the part well...- Do you believe there was image staging during this interview?- One should notice that it was known beforehand that the couple would take the opportunity to compliment the Portuguese police, which then happened...- Gerry looks confident that the DNA tests cannot incriminate them.- When he mentioned the tests, it was a silly reply to a docile interviewer. Everybody knows that DNA tests identify people, and they don't lie. But they do not condemn anyone on their own. That was miserable.- How can the couple's statements be defined?- It was an act that nobody believes in. After the kidnapping theory, now they insist on their innocence. An innocent person does not need this...

Atardi said...

Hallo Docmac,

Hoe was je vergadering vanmorgen, van mij heel saai. Boring.

Een goede werkdag morgen.

22.05

Irina said...

Hello All,
Interesting observations and most likely true.

I think that Kate can be submissive at times, but at times uncontrollable. She strikes me as very unstable.
Her speech is very unclear and does not have logical line in it, it is almost autistic. Even when she speaks on the home video.
There is no intelligence in her speech at all. This is supposed to be the person with 3d level education. Her speech is defiantly abnormal.
She must be seriously ill.

lizzy said...

irina,
I agree when I heard Kate speaking on the Panorama programme I thought she sounded a bi thick, certainly not educated, which we know she must be to be a doctor.
I wondered without being unkind if she was taking any drugs or medication.

docmac said...

Hallo Atardi

Die vergadering was wel heel vervelig. Ek is eers nou weer terug by die huis na 'n baie besige dag en aand. Ek mag miskien moet terug gaan later vanaand so ek gaan direk bed toe.

Hopelik het Viv later 'n nuwe artikel. Daar is min nuus op die oomblik. As jy kan, los vir my 'n post hier om te verduidelik wat die 'leak' was waarvan jy melding gemaak het op die DE forum. Die een na die brief vanuit Amsterdam. Ek sal baie dankbaar wees daarvoor.

Ek hoop jy geniet jou aand verder en dat jy later lekker slaap.

Groete.

Atardi said...

Docmac,

Mijn vergadering was boring.

Het blijkt zo te zijn dat de ouders hebben wisten over de brief in de Nederlandse krant.

Ze waren heeeeeeeeeeeeel boos. Zij wisten dat er een team uit Nederland zou komen.

De "leak" is niet vanuit Portugal maar van de Engelsen.

Vijf weken na Madeleine is de auto weer gehuurd en niet 25 dagen na de verdwijning.

De handdoek is wel gevonde

Maar ze hadden alle om de lijk te verplaatsen............. En om de pers uit te nodigen!!!

Groeten.

felicity said...

Hiya all

I agree clearly Kate is ill. Her speech concerning Maddie on Panorama was shocking both as to content and the matter of fact, uncaring delivery. Her facial expression also, bizarre - as though she was speaking of minor trivial matters displaying no trace of concern or emotion - save for inappropriate amusement. I would not like to say whether or not she is taking medication - she may well resist this so that she can drink alcohol. Perhaps more a question of being emotionally numbed. I think we will have to await a proper psychiatric assessment but it is certainly not the way a mother in her situation would normally present.

Doc - can I have an inkling of what you are saying..maybe even a translation - do you want a new article?

Viv x

Anonymous said...

Hello Viv,
Very interesting reading here regarding Kate and Gerry's state of mind. Personally, and without trying to offend anyone, I have genuine concern for Kate. I'm very interested in the comments made by professionals about her dysfunctional behaviour (body language, voice, repression - the fire and ice in her soul, as it were), yet somehow I sense that she has been trapped by circumstance: a very pretty, bright girl, driven (by her mother perhaps?) to become a doctor, yet achieving her goal of having children via IVF, contrary to her Catholic faith, albeit a shallow conviction, and her superficially macho husband, the 'pet', the youngest of 5 children, and a large, extended family. Kate, the only child, achieves her ambition. Gerry, the indulged youngest child, sees her succeed again, independent of him. Hmmm.
She is Kate Healey, after all, despite his huge efforts to make her a McCann by marriage. The McCann Machine of media manipulators protect the 'pet', and rarely mention Madeleine or Kate - unless their photogenic faces are useful.
Just a thought. Very disturbing, all of it. I can't help thinking: poor Madeleine, poor Kate...rich Daddy to be if he gets his way, and spoilt husband pursuing his own ambitions at the expense of Madeleine, and Kate. So sad.
By the way: the DE moderators are putting up a bit of resistance. I am determined to leave the forum permanently. They have other ideas. B****y 'ell. Why can't people just do as they are told. Oops. I think I've caught Gerry-itis...a strange medical condition/delusion, believing others must do my bidding :-) Hmmm. I could get to like that idea of ruling the world, if only it wasn't populated by people...pesky critters, they are.

docmac said...

Hi Viv

Took a call now and checked in. Going straight back to bed. Quick translation for you:

Meeting was boring
Just got home
Had busy day and evening
May have to go in later tonight again
Hope Viv has new article later as
No news at the moment
What was the leak after the Amsterdam letter
I'd be grateful for the info
Enjoy your evening and sleep well

It's nice to speak an adopted language with someone who speaks a different one and still be able to understand each other!

felicity said...

Hi there anon

I feel as though I know you! Clearly your own thoughts are very similar to my own. Kate is indeed trapped and has been for a very long time - this is why she is so depressed and emotionally numb perhaps.

I think you make a great point - Kate and Madeleine only figure in his plans for photogenic purposes - they are both pretty! I do find all those videos that were produced by the McCann machine complete with sentimental music really repulsive trading on dear little Maddie - much like turning the defect in her eye into a "brand logo". The man is so utterly repulsive, selling his "merchandise" to the highest bidder. The determination to cash in for massive sums of cash is driven by him and there is no genuine attempt to disguise it. I was appalled to read the recent comment by Rosie to the effect of well why dont they ask for £2M, never mind one - the TV companies can afford it! You could almost think that was Gerry himself saying that...

I was also interested in your point about him being the spoilt little 5th child - used to getting his own way, no doubt. Trouble is, so was Kate as a doted upon only child. One of those terrible combinations..we have seen them before.

Viv x

felicity said...

Cheers Doc!

So I got the new article bit - racking me brains a bit on that one. I am fascinated by Eurojust - but that is because I like law I suppose and have been reading about that quite a lot but dont suppose anyone else wants to.

One thing that did strike me going through The Times article in September - they got forensic evidence from another flat as well! That does not seem to have been discussed much - OB's??? Looking at that also.

Remarkable how the McPologists are, this very night, still saying well there is no forensic evidence - words fail me! Bark Bark yap yap pop pop
Viv x

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
How did your son get on at the hospital today? I was thinking of you this afternoon hoping all went well. Lizzy

felicity said...

Hiya Lizzie

he had his scan and has follow up appt on Friday with the consultant but urologist not a cancer specialist so that is good! although lump still there does not hurt unless he touches it - so told him not to!

LUV VIV XXXXXX

lizzy said...

Hi Viv,
That is good news am so pleased it doesn't appear to be anything more serious but it must be uncomfortable for your son and hope it clears quickly.Keep us posted Viv. Lizzy

Anonymous said...

Good Afternoon Viv,
I like to think of myself as on first name terms with the future Mrs George Clooney :-) I promoted myself to future head bridesmaid as soon as I heard about her happy plans. Still no word from George yet on setting the date, I see...
Thanks for your opinion on Kate's situation. Very interesting. Meantime, I've tried to answer docmac's question about the Soham murders.
Have a great day, Viv. See you sometime.
By the way: at last, the DE moderators have surrendered! I'm free. They now understand why I insist on being permanently removed from the forum: I think it's been corrupted by dishonest posters: trolls, undeclared McCann family/friends, pretending to be unbiased, whilst viciously attacking or ridiculing skeptics, doubters, neutrals and non-believers.It's a disgraceful capitulation by the DE moderators, in my view.
xo
P.S. Please say 'thank you' to Lizzy, Ironside and 2345. They were very kind to me, and you're more likely to see them first. Thank you.

felicity said...

Hiya darling

If George is finally going to be my man I had better get on a diet pdq! LOL.

I am very pleased you have pressed the point home with the DE. I just checled and see they have removed some horrible posts about me but not all and also banned Lazarus (what an uncouth yob) and of course Assasin but the real troublemakers remain. But I was disgusted to see that for sticking up for me and you presumably 2345 got banned - it is simply outrageous - they also banned Dolores but I think reinstated her.

Lizzie, Ironside and 2345 are extremely kind people - Ironside as you know is a very regular contributor bless him as I hope you will be. Lizzie and 2345 also post which is great - there are some genuinely lovely people on here and if we have to get tough with the government over this - then we will!

Lots of love
viv 9.36 thurs (sorry only just seen your post)xxx

Anonymous said...

20.56 G.M.T.
Hi Viv,
2345 banned? The b*dy cheek of it, and more fool them. She is exceptionally knowledgeable, and good natured. She will not waste her words for nothing, for no result. IMO, she will pursue the cause of truth for Madeleine, wherever it leads, and she will be calm, and matter of fact about it. I hope she does post here sometime. I have a plan for the longer term. It requires our joint effort, and the McCann mechanics are in no position to win this one, as their paid servants and trolls are irrelevant when it comes to UK institutions, laws, and customs.
Re: the Govt. Yes, the public are rising up to challenge the Government's preferential treatment of the McCanns, its foolish rush to use OUR civil servants in their defence, against the advice of OUR diplomats, and against OUR laws and relations with an ancient ally, Portugal.
I write as a former Young Socialist. I'm livid that the Labour Government has got itself involved in YET ANOTHER sticky situation with cynical, commercially minded ...I'll stop at that point because my next words are libellous, but true :-)
xo

Anonymous said...

21.04 GMT
RE: DOLORES.
I'm sorry to say that Dolores was always on the likely to be banned list. She was the first DE poster to see the significance of UK Government involvement, although as all her earlier posts showed, she was very genteel about mentioning any aspect of this case, and very polite to everyone. However, as her inquiry revealed more facts, she became more vocal in highlighting McCann 'inconsistencies', and Government involvement. Therefore, she was always likely to be a 'red flag' on the radar screen of the McCanns, and the moderators, I'm sorry to say.
By the way: Dolores and I always agreed that the UK Govt involvement was an issue, although we were berated and ridiculed for it. Seems, we've been proved right. How interesting :-)

felicity said...

Well indeed Dolores is an intelligent and lovely lady - 2345 also. Getting banned by the DE is a badge of honour - who would want to emulate the one they so oddly preserve - no matter how irrational, racist or offensive- Rosie McScamm!

Viv x

2345 said...

Anonymous & Viv,

Thank you for your kind comments regarding DE permanently banning and silencing my views. I've spent ages here today reading previous and very interesting comments.

I don't know whether Dolores suffered the same injustice and me; Web Team's explanation was based on lies, falsely accusing me of ignoring warnings "time and time again" despite the fact none were issued.

I have also joined the3arguidos at Ironside's suggestion. Read either there or here yesterday that littlegreycell had received an unjustified 'warning'. DE seem to have introduced new procedure since I pointed out my lawyer was referring their false allegations against me to DE Proprietor.

I've never before in my life seen or been subjected to the level of malicous psychological abuse as encountered throughout my time on DE Forum. One of the Hope4's was physically sick one evening as a result of Chinadull's (Docmac's name for the offender!) psycho attack.

Thank you so much for this site; being banned by DE is a compliment which strengthened my resolved to continue. United we stand for Madeleine's rights and our rights in democratic society.

2345 said...

I'm convinced Mr Bennett is working for the good. I learnt from DE Forum that he was instrumental in ensuring the mysterious death of Steven Lubbock at Michael Barrymore's house was not conveniently swept under the carpet.

Mr Bennett, like so many of us, took umbridge at Clarence's support of the McCanns' abandonment of the parents as 'normal'. The McCanns are answerable according to Portuguese Laws. As I understand it, he's seeking to redress the lack of response in Britain to their behaviour. Furthermore, he does have serious concerns about the Fund; the means by which it was obtained and lack of accountability since.

He's a grandfather and I believe he takes issues of child neglect very seriously.

viv said...

I would add I think all this talk of a government conspiracy to protect them is also just part of some cynical scheme by Team McCann.

If the word can get out that the government are on their side, ordinary people would surely take the view they must be innocent and send them some more money!

It is the same with repeatedly insisting British Press are on their side. A good read through of all the articles in the Daily Mail for example would demonstrate the reality. Currently the press are on the side of justice and therefore know they cannot keep on slating Kate and Gerry in the press. They have to let the police get on with their work, by law!