FOCUS ON VIOLENT, PERSONALITY DISORDERED GERRY MCCANN BY POSTERS ON THE DAILY EXPRESS

May I offer my compliments to the posters on the Daily Express who are managing to focus on the real issues in this case. The man who puts bruises all over his wife and child...Gerry McCann.

I wonder why Kate's Aunty "Rosie" was so bashful - it is just not like her to have so little to say!

Do you not have a real opinion on all that serious bruising on Kate and Madeleine and why Gerry starts to smirk when asked what his feelings are about "sightings of Madeleine"?

You know what they say - "the camera never lies". ...You keep asking us for some real evidence and then when we give it to you........(!) Please check out Kate's elbow and arm - my domestic violence 2 post and let us have your views as to how this happened at the same time that Madeleine "disappeared".

By the way Rosie 2 women are murdered by their partner every week ....and statistics also tell us that violent controlling men who also engage in "stalking" of their partner are the most dangerous..the ones that kill........why did Kate go half way across the world? why did she have a year out from University? why did he follow her? was she trying to get away from him? when they came back to live in the UK how come they went and lived right by aunty in Rothley? are you really acting in Kate's and the twins best interests Rosie? - I would have a long hard think about it if I were you....After all the consequences of telling the truth may be far less serious for Kate and ensure her and the twins safety. Telling the truth and being helpful to the police is very brave and earns a big discount off sentence. 78% in the Daily Mail dont believe them - you worked real hard with over 4000 posts on the Daily Express but all that spin just did not work did it - the PJ are coming...THINK ABOUT IT ROSIE PLEASE and offer her proper care and support BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

Viv x
and by the way I am NOT the nasty person you have described - you have offended many caring and educated people, knowledgeable about these matters - not just me - I do not have "fantasy" degrees - they are both quite real - I can assure you and so is my 30 years experience. I have helped many women just like Kate McCann and saved many children from appalling abuse. "Docmac" is a real doctor, caring for little babies - not "quackmac" as you decided to brand him. Do you really believe all this unpleasant abuse of caring and educated people actually serves a purpose? Degree educated PJ's? All of your racist abuse? Telling us we are just like "Hitler"? Think very carefully about your own conduct...

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RIDICULOUS
30.12.07, 12:50am
i have just viewed these pictures of Kate and Gerry.1) Usually they are castigated for laughing or smiling the wrong way, yet here we have a set of pictures that castigate for not laughing or smiling.2) you can take any pictures of anyone and provided you take enough you will have a set of pictures you can try and cause mischief with.3) How the hell do you expect them to look? Their daughter is missing! Heaven's sakes can you at least try and keep your thoughts in check Sherlock?
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ECOLAB
30.12.07, 12:52am
and then some;-)i forgot. gerry eyes on the one where he is half catching whats coming from kate - they are lowered, guilt, avoidant - that of the man not so much that doesnt want to be seen but cant stand to see his own insides through the eyes of the other:-)
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HOPELESSLY DEVOTED...
30.12.07, 12:41am
i see the exact same in those photos ecolab as in the one that struck me that i postedaccusatory, suppressed, venomous, rage, loathing.
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IS SHE DEVOTED TO THIS MAN?
30.12.07, 12:38am
http://copy.pnn.pt/noticias_imagens/paisdemaddie.jpghttp://www.dcrs-online.com/uploads/news_pics/ljmo213xdj7ewho9pc21i7nbe_kate_gerry_mccann.jpghttp://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1572118.jpg
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MUSE
30.12.07, 12:27am
I know exactly what you are talking about - a tortured soul . What surprices me ,is the state of Kates hair. That is not Normal for one, who can afford to go to a hairdresser. But is sign of lack of self....(something) This is why I `m talking of "addiction".I have a lot of photos of Kates injuries.I think they all are taken after Madeleines goes missing. By looking at the varies pictures and ofcource a bit of proffessionel noledge, I have my version of what happends.I think you are close too.
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BETTY
30.12.07, 12:23am
Of course I am not saying that this is what I think is hapening here, but I get a feeling that although it looks as though Gerry is controlling Kate, the controller is usually the more needy one, and maybe, if there is a cover up, he is relishing the new relationship they have.====================================Sorry, didnt make that very clear.I meant to say that Gerry is obviously the controlling one, therefore in my eyes the more needy. I always think back to the story where he travelled halfway across the world to be with Kate.I think if Kate has caused an accident, then this will give Gerry even more control, knowing that she is now forever in his hold, and this is the newer less needy relationship he is enjoying.Clear as mud eh muse? .........................no, i get ya. very clear. leave the rambles and lack of clarity to me lol - i excel at it;-);-)I tend to think codependant so she would lie rather than lose him, despite he is the neediest. its pretty clear they come before their kids and a mother has to put her kids before partner in an abusive relationship. she doesnt or didnt.
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ECOLAB
30.12.07, 12:15am
yep, sorry for the delay, had to backtrack posts to find where youd put them, then look through them. Deffo injuries again on kate in bottom two.Are these taken before or after madeleien goes missing cos she looks a tortured soul before in any ive seen too.addicted to something, im not sure tbh. when you lose a child you almost immediately look utterly wrecked, so much so you could be mistkaen for a drug addict. Your eyes, facial structure the lot changes. The only thing that horrified me about kate was none of this was evident in the beginning except in a very unnatural feined state almost. Not how it goes at all. Kate took on a more haggard haunted look once the heat was on their own asses. Sociopathic:-):-) I've seen that precise smirk gerry makes a thousand times:-) imo - he knows very well noone has seen madeleine.
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DIANEH
30.12.07, 12:14am
ROSIE30.12.07, 12:03amOn you last post, the issue is that the McCann bashers cant get past the fact that G & K left the children alone. It blinds them to anything else. It is obvious to the McCann bashers that if you leave your children alone, you are obviously also a liar, murderer, conspirator, probably a black mailer (how else could you get everyone else to support you). Added to this they are well off (much jealousy abounds) and a good looking couple that had what looked like a perfect little family and life.My heart goes out to G & K and of course little Madeleine. What they must be going through.• Posted by: dianeh • Report Comment~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I agree with you, I just read and agreed with your other post too, you make some really pertinent points, but they will be ignored on here because it is not what they want to believe.I am so fed up of telling these people that I think it was foolishly idiotic to leave their children like that, but equally I can understand them being relaxed, on holiday, lulled into a false sense of security and because of this they made the most horrendous error of their lives, which may have cost their daughter her life and they have to live with this and find a way of not letting it affect the twins lives too, or this will mean the ruination of their lives also and they do not deserve this and all this hatred, is going to have an affect, it cannot help but do so.I am constantly amazed by some on here, they think up a whole raft of bizarre killing theories and then they go searching for evidence on which to base those theories and when they do not find any they invent it, like these stupid photographs, and the daft accusation they dyed Madeleine's hair, and Gerry must have punched Kate because of the bruises, they seeming cannot see how pathetic all of this nonsense is. It just goes on and on and on.
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MUSE
30.12.07, 12:07am
Of course I am not saying that this is what I think is hapening here, but I get a feeling that although it looks as though Gerry is controlling Kate, the controller is usually the more needy one, and maybe, if there is a cover up, he is relishing the new relationship they have.====================================Sorry, didnt make that very clear.I meant to say that Gerry is obviously the controlling one, therefore in my eyes the more needy. I always think back to the story where he travelled halfway across the world to be with Kate.I think if Kate has caused an accident, then this will give Gerry even more control, knowing that she is now forever in his hold, and this is the newer less needy relationship he is enjoying.Clear as mud eh muse? ;-)
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MUSE: DID YOU SEE THEM?
30.12.07, 12:06am
MUSE: BLOW THEM UP29.12.07, 11:53pmThe ”slideshow” here simply makes me cry – that man scares the shit out of me.http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/SociopathsAddicted to something???http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/MsMcCann/photo#5129670769228945538http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/MsMcCann/photo#5101153304927407394Remainings from a nasty ”blue eye” ? (blow it up 400-500%)? and a ”split eyebrown”http://www.regiaosul.pt/thumb.php?file=images/news/20070918_kate.jpg&sizex=275&quality=100http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/MsMcCann/photo#5129675901714865666I think it is enough for today• Posted by: Ecolab • Report Comment
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BETTY
30.12.07, 12:00am
I agree that there is something about the pair which screams control. Often in interviews Gerry will squeeze Kates hand, initially I took this as a sign of support but as time went on, it soon looked like a way of warning her in what she said. This was proven after the interview when he told her not to say anything till they were off mic..................................................Yep, and his eyes dont match the act either in any of those shots or interviews. He is highly controlled in his own manner and kate on the other hand is not. ...................................I have myself been with an abusive man and am very aware of what grip marks look like on the arms. However, I do not think that it is always the case that a man who abuses a woman will physically assault a child....................................Sorry to hear you have had this experience. I have too, lots of it lol in past. I agree with you, not all men will hurt children. The problem is that authroities and help orgs are so inept in this area they can not decipher which men will or wont or could and that costs lives every day. The simple fact is every move and behaviour these men make or will make can be predicted - just the 'experts' dont know how. It depends on why he is abusing and what the dynamic reason is for him being in thatr relationship and the history etc etc but nothing unpredictable about these men at all when you know their minds. I do this all the time and mostly 'underground' it needs to be for safety of others.By the way, i had one so much like gerry imo, they could be twins! I know how far he would have gone and it was avoided with a lot of knowledge, care and a slow and planned extraction. Gerry [and kate] imo would do anything to avoid exposure at all and any cost. ...........................I have seen relationships like this, where the Mother will become increasingly frustrated / jealous of the children as they are usually the cause of the arguments between husband and wife......................................Yep, thats common too. i had that one with my mother, although she took it out on me. This doesnt fit with that pair though. ......................Of course I am not saying that this is what I think is hapening here, but I get a feeling that although it looks as though Gerry is controlling Kate, the controller is usually the more needy one, and maybe, if there is a cover up, he is relishing the new relationship they have.Whose the neediest one? Gerry is scared of his own shadow - hence he is so controlled on the outside. ill go find the photo link.
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MUSE
29.12.07, 11:47pm
You are some kind of a woman. all my respect to you.I do have some terrible pictures of Kate. You want to see?Nasty eye
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THATS MY POST
29.12.07, 11:44pm
from my own site ecolab. I think it was yourself posted it in here yesterday after someone else posted a theory id posted too.
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MUSE
29.12.07, 11:43pm
”whoo hoo - if a picture paints a thousand words...just spotted this pic in a news link and its GOLD!!!I'd sure like to see this one blown up a bit! Telling... I'll refer back to the point i made, why the finger at Kate, this is classic control man shit and Kate sure behaves how your average abused woman does - what do those expressions say?Gerry!Its written all over both of thems facial expressions - perfectly.”http://www.thoughtsfromamuse.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1062&whichpage=9
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MUSE
29.12.07, 11:40pm
How is it possible to glean all this 'factual' information from photographs? With regard to the bruises, do not forget that Kate has children and these bruises could equally have come from them. Why jump to conclusions on the basis of photographs?
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THANKS MAUREEN
29.12.07, 11:39pm
but kate and gerry get wound up in all the wrong ways for my liking:-) I see him as a shield alright though:-)
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BETTY
29.12.07, 11:36pm
it is cultural and deeply generational for people to blame women and particularly mothers. Often they are guilty too. I also think it is very often right to blame mothers since she is the one who chooses to give life to a child therefore she is the one ultimately responsible for the protection and nurturing of that child. That includes against an abusive man, but so many of these women will cover up or delude themselves even about the man and his potential.When i look at Kate and gerry, all i see is the perfect picture of abusive man and female victime. These guys are very controlled in public as Gerry is. It is the woman that is driven to look the one that is a bit zany with it, so she is the one people will point finger at and revictimise. Every interaction, photograph, facial expression, info about the family, way they talk to each other all looks exactly like the male abuser and female victim to me. There is one photo in particular of the two of them that is taken after madeleines abduction and it speaks volumes re the above too. Also, someone mentioned kates bruised arm in here before. There are actually two bruises, not one on that photograph and they fit perfectly with her being gripped from behind by the handspan of your average man. The deeper bruise is higher, the lower bruise is lighter as it would be. That said, men who are the best of abusers always look like outward saints personified and they very very rarely and often never need to lift their hands - they are too 'good'. :-)
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KODIAK
29.12.07, 11:23pm
Yeah, i know, every time i see her little face the disgusting possible reality comes into my mind and its heartbreaking.My hunch, ha ha. This case has me pulling my hair out altogether. I have an avid interst in abuse cases and also criminal cases as well as vast experience of 'abusive people' - not once have i ever seen anything where i cant see exactly what is going on in a case - till now. I could see a clear cut case against murat,the mccanns, [gerry in particular] or a paeddophile[s] Equally all 3 could be discredited in this case.[only 1 of those would retain a very slim possibility she is still alive too imo]. there is not one bit of info coming out the 'pro's' mouths that cannot be shredded either. im on the fence, but if my backside was forced off it - Gerry McCann.
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