9 Dec 2007

THE LATEST FANTASIES FROM THE PRO-PARENTS

I have been reading the DE forum for months and can state quite categorically there has never been any mention of the twins being part of triplets or of Madeleine being chopped up. So why is this rubbish being spouted by Old Hippy I wonder and what does she hope to achieve? I am pleased to say she was neatly put in her place by Alsabella, clear, calm, lucid. Great Post again Alsabella! I would add that on a number of occasions I have personally discredited any suggestions about "swinging" as "scurrilous irrelevant gossip" but still she wants to drag it up. How sad!



OLDHIPPY
08.12.07, 11:54pm
ALSABELLA08.12.07, 11:40pmNo Alsabella your comment about Pro Truth does not apply here.The pro truth we are talking about it the rubbish that is written in the press and on here that is NOT TRUE or there is no proof that it is true.For instance it has been suggested on here that Madeleine was cut up in little pieces by her parents and smuggled into Britain, or taken from the apartment a piece at a time and put in one of the large bins. Not long after this theory was posted some of the other posters were talking about it as if it was true.We are anti that sort of things, why? because it isn't TRUE.We are also anti the posts and jokes made after it was reported in the press that the McCanns were swingers. This is another untruth and we are anti that.We want the truth from the appropriate people, not a load of junk from the press and wild imagainations of posters on this forum.That is the truth we are on about. We want the truth of what has happened to Madeleine, not some horror story about the parents cutting her up in litlle pieces being accused of being swingers and fraudsters.And what about the one that has GM not being Madeleine's real father, and that twins were actually triplets and JT has the other one.Do you call this truth?So Alsabella you are wrong on your description of what our PRO TRUTH really is.We don't care what the truth is, be it the McCanns, Murat or anyone else who is found to be guilty.• Posted by: oldhippy • Report CommentThese theories are news to me. Must have ocurred while I was out of the country, because I have certainly never read anything about Madeleine being chopped up or about triplets.I must say that in terms of the first "theory" it does not help that Joana Cipriano, who did unfortunately suffer that fate, keeps being brought up. The result is that some people consider the horrendousness of that case and think that perhaps other parents could have done something as vile. I certainly hope not. However, history is teaching us that some people are capable of the vilest of acts...I do not know what our world is coming to..As for them being swingers or not, I do not know, and frankly do not care. As I have once mentioned, this is only important if that lifestyle could have put her into contact with certain characters that needed to be investigated. Otherwise, that is there problem.To say it is true or a lie, I think is to talk without knowledge. The PJ has reported that they did not have evidence of this. However, it is equally true that this became coffee shop conversation in Luz very, very early on. smoke without fire? beats me...As far as Gerry being Madeleine's father, there are accounts that biologically she is not his child. To me this is also irrelevant, as he is the person who raised her, and as far as I am concerned, that is what makes someone a Dad. Not some sperm. It would only be important for the case in terms of determining DNA differences between her and the twins.The triplet story I had never heard of. Sounds like someone was just being silly. I would concentrate more on Jane Tanner herself and on a supposedly sick child her husband was allegedly tending to and less on non-existent triplets.There are people that exaggerate on both sides, oldhippy. People who do not even want the McCanns to be questioned, for example. Which is absolutely ridiculous. They were responsible for the child being missing anyway you look at it, so obviously they need to be questioned and they will be always considered suspects until ruled out. They have not been. And the attacks of the so-called "pro-McCann" on the police, only goes to show you that there are many on here that like Mitchell thing the McCanns are above the law. They are not. They have to go through the process as any other parent. And if there is evidence that keeps them in the loop longer than most, oh well. That is just how it is. Madeleine is the priority, not them. Precisely the same Madeleine they left alone 6 nights in a row, with her 2 baby siblings while they went off to dinner.So you will excuse me if I do not feel bad for the McCann parents. My heart goes out to little Madeleine, to her brother and sister, and to the grandparents and uncles and aunts that are trying to do the best they can in this awful situation. For the McCanns, after all the spin and crapola being through out at us by Mitchell, I feel absolutely no sorrow for them.
• Posted by: alsabelIa

10 comments:

felicity said...

OLD HIPPY RE YOUR POSTS 08.12.07,


Absolutely excellent post!

• Posted by: Rosiepops

Yea Yea Rosie whatever you say
ROTFLMAO AND TEE HEE HEE AS WELL :-)
Love Viv xxx

felicity said...

I WAS WONDERING ABOUT ALL THIS LEGAL TALK ON HERE REGARDING POSTS BEING KEPT ETC
09.12.07, 12:04am



Does this apply to posts being lifted from one site to another? And for severe defamation of character?

I would be grateful for any legal posters response and this is a deadly serious question.

• Posted by: Rosiepops •

FELICITY SAYS:

If you feel you need some legal advice Rosie perhaps I can help? :-)

felicity said...

ARE YOU PHILOMENA ROSIEPOPS?
08.12.07, 11:21pm

Whilst I see atouch of the Robert Maxwell in Clarence I see a touch of the Philomena McCann in you Rosiepops. Obvious apologies if wrong but you have an angle with your words that wants to project fairness but alas it falls short. Nevertheless, you do make me chuckle and we have something in common ... we both say we are going to bed and then don't !

• Posted by: baththeory

Felicity says I wonder if Philomena would feel the need for any advice? Perhaps she would rather give it e.g. to Kate and Maureen - keep a journal. To Sky News *****ing let me tell you man these ****ing PJs ^^^^$&***!!

felicity said...

BATHTHEORY
08.12.07, 11:17pm


Cheap point? what cheap point?

Women do multi task and they generally do it better than men this is not a cheap point and many men will admit to this.

I did actually say that my husband used ti be quite good at bathing 3 children too.

Bathing three children is not difficult if you have a system.



• Posted by: Rosiepops

Felicity really dreads to think what the "sytem" might be but my own lads were always wide awake and had a WHALE of a time

felicity said...

CHINADULL/Rosiepopping Mandz killer/Posh Spice
08.12.07, 10:41pm

In my heart, their only crime wasn't to react inappropriately to the terrible situation. That could indicate psychological disorder but not a crime. I would think the crime they are suspected of is the one the British and Portuguese police have been discussing in Leicester last week don't you? Get real dear.
Toodloo

• Posted by: Eureka

Felicity says: please excuse my slight amendments to the heading Eureka just to even more accurately reflect the situation as I see it

felicity said...

AT LAST!!! OLD HIPPY FINALLY ADMITS WHAT SHE REALLY THINKS - THEY DID KILL MADELEINE - WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD LADY!


BETTY
08.12.07, 10:22pm

I understand what you were saying in your post re: the McCanns behaviour. I also find it hard to fathom.
I think I would be in a straight jacket by now. I have never disputed that their public behaviour is odd.............. but it does mean they kiled Madeleine.

• Posted by: oldhippy

felicity said...

FELICITY SAYS YES WHAT A BUNCH OF FAWNING VULTURES...TRULY NAUSEATING INCLUDING MAUREEN'S NEVER ENDING CATASTROPHIC EVENTS....SHE NEVER DID TELL US WHAT HAPPENED TO HER FRIEND IN CALIF WHO WAS DYING WITH CANCER FOR SOME REASON PROMPTLY DROPPING THE POOR LADY AND MOVING ON TO THE NEXT GREAT TRAGEDY OLD WILL HIMSELF WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED!

ATHENA
08.12.07, 10:08pm

They say a picture paints a thousand words- this sickening trying to pull at the heart strings posting makes me nauseas- if the McCanns were truly only guilty of neglect it would be bad enough but everyday they and their supporters find another "cheap shot" to try to play on decent peoples emotions.
We all know there was DNA in the hire car from Madeleine's little body- they remind me of vultures.



• Posted by: plainwaters

felicity said...

ROSIE
10.12.07, 12:44am

Hi,
I just had a quick look at Felvivities site.
I suppose you are already aware that she is pasting some of your comments on to her site.
All for the sake of a cheap laugh -- in the name of Madeleine.
It's disgusting.

• Posted by: oldhippy

Strange you begrudge us a laugh - I have not seen too many pictures of Kate and Gerry where they are not having a good laugh right from the moment Madeleine went including on the beach on her birthday -now that is what most would define as tasteless. Neither you or Rosie seem to be able to engage brain before your mouth do you? No wonder we laugh at you ! or just skip your silly repetitive posts .. How do you say "go suck a hedgehog"!! and you want people to take you seriously?!?

ratonthebeam said...

Hi Viv

Both Maureen and Alroy have stated on the DX forum that they copy and keep all the posts. Not in a "it might come in handy for future reference" sense, but more in a "threatening" kind of manner. Both myself and Dadto3 were obliged to point out the legal intricacies of the DPA here -

http://www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/27654/32

One poster was already "outed" for literally cutting and pasting posts from another forum entirely and passing them off as her own work. She hasn't posted on the DX for about 10 days now since being rumbled. I thought it was pretty sick, the pros can't even be bothered to make up their own lies and drivel now, but resort to stealing somebody else's. Says it all, really. And it's always the ones with the cutesy names who are the worst culprits!

felicity said...

Hi Ratonthebeam

Whilst cutting and pastimg someone else's work on an internet forum and passing it off as your own may be rather dishonest and unpleasant there is nothing unlawful about that unless of course it is copyrighted work which obviously most stuff on the internet is not. If you did this in an employmemt situation then clearly you could be dismissed for dishonesty and if you were on a university degree course and found out you would fail the coursework and could also be dismissed from the course.

The DPA does not apply to private individuals like Maureen or Alroy, it applies to organisations who are processing confidential data that could identify an individual e.g. name, bank, ethnic origin etc. - see useful link that explains this http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?r.l1=1073861197&r.l3=1074412952&type=RESOURCES&site=181&itemId=1074414298&r.l2=1074448560&r.s=sc

So, the Daily Express are data controllers because they have our names and email addresses. You may have noticed that in accordance with their legal duties to keep all posters details confidential, when Maureen posted her email address on the forum she was told off about this and it was promptly deleted!

It is not so much that Maureen and Alroy act in an unlawful - more a downright odd and unpleasant way. I find Alroy's careful listing of all his "pros" very peculiar behaviour, bordering on the obsessive. Maureen clearly seeks to browbeat and threaten people. This is where both she amd Rosiepops do in fact act in breach of the law - see Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Also Rosie has made a number of offensive racist comments concerning Portuguese and even more extreme Sudanese which again are a breach of the criminal law - inciting racial hatred - Public Order Act 1986 and the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. It is unfortunate that even thoough I have attempted to point this out - they have argued back and persisted. I have on occasions, been very tempted to report them to the police = particularly in relation to absolutely terrible comments Rosie made about the Sudanese and some pretty terrible comments from her and others about me - some of which have not been deleted by the Daily Express. So far I have not done so but do find the racism even more offensive than remarks that have been directed to me e.g. referring to me as HIV etc. My patience is wearing a little thin however and I believe Rosie would be prosecuted for the racist remarks she has made if complaint were made about them. I think she is now making attempts to restrain some of her more extreme comments which is what i had hope to achieve without the need to report her but she needs to understand that this kind of behaviour can actually land you in custody. I notice OLd Hippy also is making frequent references to 'if it was a moslem etc' which again is a clear breach of the anti racist laws. I am surprised the DE do not remove these sort of comments and warn them. They are very offensive to normal people who think that all races have a right to respect and should not be singled out for such criticism. It is the height of ignorance when they do not even seem to understand or want to understand that that is serious, criminal, racist conduct.

Kind Regards and nice to hear from you again
Viv