31 Dec 2007

MURAT AND PAYNE - WHAT AN EXTRAORDINARY RESEMBLANCE!

FUNNY HOW THE PRO - MCCANNS FORGOT TO MENTION THIS! I CANNOT RECALL WHO ON HERE GAVE ME LINK TO THIS RARE SHOT OF PAYNE BUT THANKS SO MUCH ! VIV X AH FOUND IT - IT WAS EUREKA - CHEERS YOU ARE A STAR!!!!

46 comments:

Ironside said...

Hi Viv...Have just seen on mccann site that Alsabella now has her own blog...can you give me a connection...Sad all the respected posters are leaving....Have just been on there now snowhite and her seven dwarfs in full flight....this site is not about maddie....There intention is to smash and destroy...Tell Docmac to post on the site I mentioned I know they would love to have him post....Take care

CKH_from_DEforum said...

Hey guys -

I don't know if you've heard about this yet, but apparently there's some new buzz on the Mirror forum regarding the 'missing' blue bag, visit to Chaplins restaurant on May 2nd and rumors regarding a prior relationship between Murat and the McCanns. Here's a link to the discussion, which includes responses to this new info/allegations from Tony Bennett (UK solicitor that tried to have McCanns charged w/ neglect under a civil investigation): http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34242 I don't know if any of this is true, but it sure as h*ll looks bad for the McConns if it is!

Ciao,
CKH

BEEBAA said...

Hi VIV, guess what! got banned by DE for giving the McCanns Clan a mouthful. Lately, I've had to deal with this "GIT" calling himself Mark55, of which his expert opinion branded me as a paedophile! The Clan have been on my tail a few weeks now, but then, I let them have it all. Of course, they reported me, and I got suspended. Wrote back to DE asking them to clean the mess that has infested the forum before jumping on others. Its lovely to see that your forum is picking momentum, and will soon push DE out of the game. (Who knows!) If Mohamed Al-Fayed sees what is going on in his court, I'm sure he'll shut it down..

Keep it up, and Happy New Year

BEEBAA (aka BIBA)

ironside said...

ckh..hI HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU...yes have just been reading that...this about the bag remember it reported here in spain ages ago..gerry told police it was missing along with maddies pink cardigan and a brush...In fact it was reported at one time that it was washed up on the beach...then we heard no more...Odd when you think Clarence is denying there was a bag...he released the info also that gerry paid his mortgage from the fund...gerry was less than pleased...I wonder sometimes is he really on the mccann side...he is doing a terrible job if so...
Did you know that Murat has a brother named Richard he also has a daughter born 2002 named amelie....

ironside said...

Hi viv..take a look at this small picture..the one that all the talk about it being doctored...in this photo madeleine appears to be alone....look there should be gerrys elbow just two inches from madeleines hat...its not there....now I shall send the other...compare the two....gerrys elbow is next to madeleine I would say two inches away....


http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1284399-24,00.html

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/50/507/507955/madeleine858_1186233173.jpg

CKH said...

Yes, I heard about Murat's daughter sharing her name with one of the twins. It's been mentioned on the Mirror forum in a few of the discussions regarding whether Maddie is/was a twin or a clone (!). There's some speculation towards the end of the "CLONE" thread on the MF that Maddie and Jane Tanner's daughter are twins (i.e.: two eggs fertilized in IVF clinic, one implanted into Kate and the other into JT). Apparently there's some suspicion regarding the comment from Bridget O'Donnell regarding watching a bunch of "pink, blonde and pretty" girls scampering about the tennis court on the 3rd, although she wasn't able to pick Maddie from the crowd. There's so many bloody plausible theories about what may have occurred during that week that I'm beginning to think that there's probably more than a kernal of truth on all of the speculation. In the infamous "Clone" thread, someone named Bradley posted the suggestion that K&G set Tanner and O'Brien up to take the fall for killing Maddie by asking JT/O'B to give Maddie a dose of the sedative they'd been dosing their own kid/s with, and then secretly administering a second, FATAL dose during one of the alleged 1/2-hour checks so that it appeared that JT/O'B were guilty of (accidentally) killing Maddie and the McCanns are just covering for their friends and that's why they've orchastrated the entire charade and that's why K&G look so smug and self-satisified in the interviews, because they believe that even if JT or O'B decides to confess, all K&G could be charged with is accessory after the fact (helping to dispose of the body).

I just hope that the PJ have been able to collect enough evidence against all of those bloody doctors with their messiah complexes (no offense to DocMac!) thinking they can get away with murder (figuratively if not literally) and their powerful friends will protect them.

Anyway, Happy New Year to you and yours, may it filled with happiness and health.

Take care,
CKH

CKH said...

P.S. Ironside - were you able to read the analysis of the alleged final photo of Maddie as posted by "theAuthor" on the MF before the thread got deleted? He did all kinds of technical analysis to determine the falsities in the photo which 'proved' it was a fake. As I said, the thread was deleted from the Mirror forum, but I've been told that you can still find it cached somewhere on Google so I highly recommend checking it out if you can find it.

ironside said...

CKH thanks will do....Do you remember PJ said they had one stand alone piece of evidence..
possibly they do have the bag...
Have you been to the site three arguidos...I have been asking around as I remember back in september that a report was on tv
about spinal fluid...seems there are several others who remember this also....One poster said she saw a program where it was reported that spinal fluid can leak from the ears or nose after death....this made her think of the car boot and the body fluids that were found....anyway I am posting there now ...cant handle the poison dwarfs.....Happy new year to you and your family....You also Viv have a good one....see you both next year....

ratonthebeam said...

FELICITAçãO PARA O ANO NOVO ~ HAPPY NEW YEAR

...to everyone - pro, anti and fence sitters alike - when it comes!

Let's pray that 2008 brings both justice and closure.

Best wishes for 2008 from Rat XX

CKH said...

I know we've joked about the pros being on the Team McCann payroll to try and disrupt discussions regarding the case on public internet forums, but it turns out that it REALLY IS TRUE!

I direct your attention to the following thread on MF: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34193 which contains an actual email from "Team McCann" to various keyboard monkeys that are paid to cast aspersions upon the PJ's competence and promote the McConn agenda.

To all of the paid trolls on the DE forum that have accused the antis of being "paranoid" or "delusional," it looks like the jig is up.

I just hope that the money is worth having sold your soul to the devil and have consigned an innocent child to remain in a nameless, shallow grave because she was forsaken by those who should have cared the most.

May you all rot in prison for the rest of your worthless, money-grubbing lives. It is my most fervent wish that this crime had been committed in Texas so that those responsible for the death of this innocent would forfeit their own lives in exchange, although death by lethal injection would be too merciful for the likes of the McCanns.

dolores said...

HAPPY NEW YEAR Viv
And may it be a healthy peaceful and joyous one for you.
xxx
Tall other posters A very happy 2008
xxx

ratonthebeam said...

ckh!
I tried to get to the Mirror thread you posted and it's just coming up blank! Has Ludicrous had it pulled? It wouldn't surprise me!
Happy New Year!

josiepublic said...

Happy new year, To everybody- too many to mention but amongst them my favourites, Viv, Docamac and Claudia. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

Doesn't Payne look more like the descriptions given by "witnesses" than Murat- odd that- he looks more like how I imagined Murat than Murat.
( Heavens help me; must be too much new year cheer.) Hope to get back to the DE in the new year. Love and kisses. Plainwaters. XXXXXXXXXXX

Justice for Madeleine.

CKH said...

Hi Rat -

Sorry for the delayed response, I took a couple hours off to have a New Year's Eve meal with a relative I rarely get to see anymore.

Anyhoo...

The thread is still there --although I also took the precaution of saving it to my hard drive as I anticipate that it WILL be pulled as soon as one of the chimps report it back to HQ! Here's the link again: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34196

PLMK if you still have problems accessing it and I will cut and paste the relevant info here.

Cheers,
CKH

CKH_again said...

Crap! Disregard the previous link in my post above, it was too the wrong topic *blushes in shame*

It looks like Clarence HAS gotten to that thread because it's blank when I pulled it up too. Okay, Clarrie, if that's how you want to play it....

Here's the text of the original post regarding covert Team McCann activities as cut+pasted from the saved copy on my hard drive:

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TheDieJusticeDied posted the following on Mirror forum on 12/31/07 at 1:35pmGMT

>>>>>>>>>> START <<<<<<<<<<<

Latest email, from Team Mccann who head up the helping to find madeleine campagin. A bit long winded but worth reading every part, it tells you about the fund, covert missions & much more. Just a titbit below.

2) Do not approach media or indeed if approached by the media, notify me immediately and do not engage in any conversations in anyway shape or form – we have been given affiliate status by the main campaign and we do not want to compromise the McCann family.


Hello and Welcome



Apologies for the distinct lack of contact over the last few weeks! Before I launch into what our focus is now, let me first of welcome you to Team France and give you a bit of an overview of me, HTFM and where we are now.

I joined HTFM in June having been conducting my own email campaign. I was disturbed by the fact that a complete stranger could boldly march into the bedroom of a sleeping child and take her from the safety and warmth of her bed. I am still angry. I want to see Madeleine reunited with her family and I want to send out a message to the world that we WILL NOT tolerate children being abducted/exploited and when they are, we will find them and the perpetrators of the crime.



Overview

Team France amalgamated with Team Turkey just before I headed off on holiday in October. Yana was leading France and I was leading Turkey in addition to being on main Admin Team with Jo (Founder and leader of HTFM) , Liv (IT) Isabelle (main campaign contact). Yana has since taken a more covert role whilst she is engaged in her studies!



A strategy was created in conjunction with the main ‘Find Madeleine’ campaign and we were happily bashing on with it when the focus changed to place Transport at the top of our priority list. Kathy, Yana, Janet and me, have already been working on specific areas, primarily airlines and airports in the UK. Our tactics changed to focus on a direct approach via telephone. Verbal contact has resulted in tremendous success!



The group as it sits currently is very diverse. Unfortunately, we were lacking in language skills to begin with, but recent developments have seen our numbers increase exponentially in Team France, and we are now sitting at 36 members, with a few French speakers. Our numbers are set to increase again soon.



Sub Teams

Because of the growth of Team France and its subsequent unwieldiness, it was decided to break into sub groups. The sub team leaders are:



Janet Leeson

Kathy Abbs

Karen Turner (me)

Vicki Jackson (back with us in January)



We are all focusing on Transport but will once this area has been exhausted, will move into other areas of research.



We are always looking for new sub team leaders. If you feel you have the time to lead a team, please let me know.



Plan

I have reviewed the structure of the Team though I am not familiar with the skills and attributes of all you, our newest members. I would be very grateful if you would be kind enough to respond to a mini questionnaire which will follow this email. Once you have responded, I will be better placed to play to your strengths though, to be honest, until we get to know you, your main focus will be on research and email. However, we are on the lookout for anyone who is willing to converse via the phone and it would be an extra bonus if you can speak French and indeed, are willing to use your phone to make the calls.



We are not funded by the main campaign and whilst there is absolutely no requirement for you to use your own resources, if you are willing to do so, please let us know. We would of course be very grateful.



Task Allocation

Tasks will be allocated under the following headings:



Research

Email

Letters

Translations



Further direction will be given as to what you need to do with the information.



How do we work?

A thread has been created on the Forum, specifically for Team France. A collated update on Team France activity will be published on the thread detailing activities undertaken and completed each week. A list of team members is also available on our main HTFM web page http://www.helpingtofindmadeleine.com/



You will be asked to communicate your activities to a person responsible for our area of work. A ‘Weekly Update’ will be published on the Forum. It is really important the updates are completed on time as they are forwarded to the main campaign with requests for approvals for funds etc when required. Contrary to gossip on some forums, we are not funded by anyone, we are not paid for our work, and we are not engaged directly in any fund raising activities.



Forum and Domain Email

I hope you have all by now managed to familiarise yourselves with the Forum and if interested, requested your domain mail from Liv. Liv can be contacted on: Info@helpingtofindmadeleine.com. Liv can also give direction on how to set up a banner and give you details on how to run email through Outlook and Outlook Express. Using the domain email adds credibility to our activities when emailing.
Your Commitment-

HTFM and the Find Madeleine Campaign, are very grateful for your commitment and support. You have joined a formidable group with an intense level of motivation, driven by the belief Madeleine has been abducted and is still out there. We appreciate your time is precious and on that basis recognise that other commitments will take precedence to HTFM activity. We ask you:

1) Are honest with us about the level of support you can give – it’s OK if you can’t commit for a while just let us know!

2) Do not approach media or indeed if approached by the media, notify me immediately and do not engage in any conversations in anyway shape or form – we have been given affiliate status by the main campaign and we do not want to compromise the McCann family.

3) Update your team leader on your activities on a weekly basis (guidance to be provided)

4) Let us know if you are going on holiday

Finally – this isn’t a game; it is about the life of a child. If you have joined us and your intentions are not honourable, please do the decent thing and leave us to get on with the job in hand. HTFM are aware of some whose intentions have been malicious and who have subsequently posted vitriolic comments on various Forums. Whilst I am sure you are all committed to the plight of Madeleine, please also be aware there are those out there looking to make a fast buck and who get a kick out of being downright nasty. Be careful!

Finally - ideas no matter how whacky you might feel they are, are always welcome. Please post under ‘Ideas’ on the Forum.

Once again, thank you to all of you and welcome to HTFM – Team France. If any of you do have any questions, please drop me a line though I can confidently state, we are a very friendly team and anyone would be happy to help. I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a very Happy New Year

Kindest regards
Karen Turner

P.S. Just google the names and the surname mccann and you will see these are people that have been leaving comments after news articles, this is a huge unprecidented campaign led by two official suspects to influence the case and shed bad light on the PJ.

>>>>>>>>>> END <<<<<<<<<<<

Another posted the following message in response to the above post by TheDayJusticeDied

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ScotBot posted 12/31/07 at 1:53pm

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Good work.

This is what Ms Turner has had to say about one article:

"This is hardly surprising - any bafoon knows this is a pile of pants. You don't need any kind of criminal experience to work out the parents have had nothing to do with this. The Portuguese police are simply inept, as demonstrated from day 1. Portugal is a 3rd world country. How are they expected to interpret DNA results objectively - they don't have that kind of history or experience. They do not have any paedophile laws and paedophiles are known to operate there. If you were the police, would you like to look like a bunch of Keystone Cops? It's no longer about a little girl, it's about the Portuguese Police, attempting to salvage their reputation (if they ever had one) by implicating the parents on what - inconclusive forensics and media slurs."

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:aoFgwO-04bgJ:www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp%3FnodeId%3D132935%26command%3DdisplayContent%26sourceNode%3D132702%26contentPK%3D18347130%26folderPk%3D77465%26pNodeId%3D132393+%22Karen+Turner%22+madeleine&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

>>>>>>>> END <<<<<<<<<<

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, and I apologize for the false link I previously posted.

Thanks,
CKH

CKH_the_posting_fool said...

Ironside -

It looks like the thread by "theAuthor" I previously mentioned regarding forgery analysis of the last photo of Maddie has been restored on the Mirror forum, so here's the link: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=9782 I admit I haven't read all 118 pages of it, but do at least give the opening post a read.

HTH,
CKH

alsabella said...

Hey guys! Happy New Year.

Ironside, Viv, I do not have my own blog, and I have no clue where Helen M and Rosiepops got that from... wonder if they had a nightmare with that thought? Hmmmm maybe I should consider it...loool

On a more serious note, I haven't been around much because of the Holiday Season but will soon be back as usual. See you all soon.

Até breve meus amigos!

felicity said...

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

Ironside - I was thrilled at the prospect of our lovely Alsabella having a blog - only to read on and find that she does not! Deep sighs of relief there in Team McCann then :-) Maybe they think I am bad enough..I have just had a look at the DE Site and most of it was mind numbing rubbish from "Snow White and the Seven Drarfs" LOL - Apt description but pleased to see there was, as ever, some excellant posts just a few of which I copy below - one from you of course! Kate's comments and behaviour in that interview are very telling! Strange the way every time it gets to an awkward question - like what about the forensic evidence such as blood in the apartment - she suddenly remembers she is not allowed to comment. Now what would a normal mom say who knew for sure Madeleine had not come to any harm in that apartment! No wonder Gerry likes to try and keep her quiet but does he genuinely believe he comes across any better!

Strange, I have just read in the Daily Mail the McCanns spent a few days with relatives in Scotland for New Year and are back home today. I could not help but notice that apart from just that one post below OldHippy has not posted for a few days...(!) Most unusual for her ...

Great to hear from you as ever Ironside. Hopefully the wheels of justice will be swinging into action against any time soon. Come on PJs - you are very welcome in the UK.........with most of us!!


JUSTICE FOR MADDIE!

Viv x


THE SAME CASE?
31.12.07, 10:59am

Is this the same case we have been debating for 8 months?

Is this the same case that the majority on here have been shouting for the McCanns to get back to Portugal?

I must be on the wrong forum.

• Posted by: oldhippy • Report Comment


DOODLEBUG
31.12.07, 10:04am

I for one can tell you how I can come onto this forum and vent my anger and rage at two parents with three children with a combined age of seven who they decided to leave night after night alone in an unlocked resort apartment in a foreign country with no babysitter to look after them. I am angry because these children should not under any circumstances have been left alone. The McCanns trusted their children with the onsite babysitters when it suited them during the day when they were either jogging or playing tennis. The recent case of the little boy who left the nursery and walked home is a prime example of what 3 year old children are capable of and one thing a 3 year old is not capable of is looking after herself. I cannot understand how you and people like you who think it is okay to for the McCanns to have done such a thing. How would you have felt if all three children had disappeared which could very well have happened or if the apartment had burned with the three children in it? There is no excuse for the neglect of these children. Neglected children are open to harm by others, harm to themselves especially at such a young age. It is a crime. As simple as that. Another thing that angers me is Gerry McCann comes on his blog with his diary and asks the abductor of his child to return her "to take away his suffering" and to appease the conscience of the abductor. What about Madeleine's suffering and where is Gerry McCanns conscience. Also the blame that is put on everyone else. The Portuguese Police have bungled the case and contaminated the crime scene which was already contaminated when all and sundry came through the apartment that night before the police arrived. You are entitled to your opinion but please do not attack those of us who are intelligent enough to know what is going on here and do not agree with you. Madeleine McCann should be alive today and if her parents had of looked after her properly and were not guilty of neglect she would be. At the very least they are guilty of neglect leading to her disappearance. My sympathy goes to this poor innocent child who God knows what she has had to suffer. JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE. WE LOVE YOU. XOXOXO

• Posted by: Kodiak • Report Comment


TO TRY AND FURTHER HAMPER THE INVESTIGATION!
31.12.07, 9:07am

Return to portugal and tell the whole truth about that night and the preceding few days might help find Madeline or her corpse.

This however appears to be a defence lawyers move.

More likely that the Portugese have plans to extradite and charge the McCanns with at the very least "Abandonment leading to the death or disappearance of Madeline McCann".

By returning voluntarily at this point if they are arrested the spin doctors and defence team will shout frame and that they are trying to silence the McCanns.

The whole campaign to find Madeline to date as run by the McCanns has been a farce it has been designed to protect their reputations and prepare a defence rather than searching for Madeline.

I hope they are arrested and charged at the airport, or deported as undesirables, Retardo 3 have failed to purchase relevant alibis so the McCanns wish to return and propogate false memories in any one gullable enough to feel sorry for them.

K&G are not the damn victims Madeline is the victim of their abuse/neglect possibly a tragic accident or with a very small chance that she was abducted, either way the blame lays squarely at the feet of her parents.

A night out with their friends with no children, a tenner saved on a babysitter, and supposed thirty minute checks by doctors well aware that a child could fall, choke, drown, burn or be electrocuted in under three minutes.

Explanation for no babysitter, they did not trust those that cared for their children daily to watch over them as they slept, maybe they should have stayed home or paid to take the nanny or a babysitter with them!

My hope for the New Year JUSTICE for MADELINE McCANN and the charging and conviction of all involved or culpable in her disappearance or death including her neglectful parents!

The loss of a child although tragic is not a reason to allow criminals to go free any leniency may be shown during sentencing but we must send the message out that criminal neglect/abuse/ abandonment will not be tolerated just because you lose or kill your child!

• Posted by: The_Way_I_See_It • Report Comment


EXTRACTS FROM WOMANS HOUR
31.12.07, 8:53am

This excellent transcript was by Ms Marbles an excellent well respected poster on a respected forum..

• Posted by: IRONSIDE • Report Comment


NOTHER EXTRACT OF KATES INTERVIEW..WOMANS HOUR....STRANGE BACK IN AUGUST SHE DID NOT FEEL SHE WAS BEING WATCHED...
31.12.07, 8:47am

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Woman's hour Kate McCann interview - 8th Aug 2007

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All Kate's inflections added as best I could, and how I have interpruted them them from audio, to give the feel of the interview for all those who may have trouble accessing the interview. Also some words are sometimes a bit indistingishible, so the word added as what it appears to be as such

I know I am a stickler for detail, but I just wanted those who read this to get the feel of the interview as much as poissible:

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Madeleine McCann’s mother talks about her hope of finding her missing daughter.

Saturday 11th August marks a hundred days since four year old Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. From the day of her disappearance, her parents have conducted a high-profile media campaign to try to find her. In her first solo broadcast interview, Madeleine’s mother Kate talks to Jenni about her ordeal and her determination not to give up hope of being reunited with her daughter.

International Crimestoppers 0044 18 83 73 13 36, Crimestoppers in the UK 0800 555 111 or Portuguese police 00351 282 405 400

National Missing People on Freefone – 0500 700 700

Link to Woman's Hour Radio Interview

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Transcript of Woman's hour Kate McCann interview - 8th Aug 2007


Jenni Murray: Now this mornings papers yet again are full of the McCann's, the parents of Madeleine who disappeared from their holiday apartment in Portugal nearly 100 days ago.

There's been a flurry of activity this week with forensic investigation of the only named suspects garden, a detailed examination of the apartment, and the discovery there of what may be blood. The McCann's have themselves appeared to be under suspicion as their car was searched, and some of today's headlines carry their denial that they had anything to do with Madeleine's abduction.

Well Kate McCann has never before spoken alone in a broadcast interview. I asked her how's she coping with the current developements in the investigation.

Kate McCann: And obviously I can't talk too much about the investigation, umm, but, just trying to get through one day at a time to be honest Jenni. Ermmmm, you know, some of the stuff we're not sure about anyway, and we don't know if it's true or not, so ermmm, inhales audibly at this point we're just coping day by day really. Err, we've got a lot of support, umm, very close family and friends, and as you're aware we've had a huge support from the general public. Ermmm, and we're just trying to have ....inhales audibly again and next bit inaudible and said within a kind of supressed laugh obviously with a mi .... as normal life as possible for, for the twins, you know.

Jenni Murray: There has been a lot of speculation as well though that the Police have treated you and your husband, as suspects. How do you handle that kind of very personal speculation?

Kate McCann: Inhales audibly Ermm, I think you just gotta exasperated sigh think to yourself, I mean yo.. you need the investigation to be thorough and ermm, inhales audibly you know, we, we'd welcome that really. Ermmm, short pause you know. You know what, we've got a very good working relationship with the Portuguese Police, and err we've come a long way since the beginning of the investigation. inhales audibly and I mean the Police are very open at the beginning, saying everybody is a suspect, and I think that's often the case in, in many crimes as well.

Jenni Murray: And yet of course now it seems that the detailed forensic examination is only beginning to happen now? And you know, things like details of blood in the apartment which are only just now coming all over the British Press at at the moment.

Loudly audibly inhales Why do you suppose that sortemphasise on the word 'sort' here of forensic examination is coming so late, three months after Madeleine disappeared?

Kate McCann: Inhales loudly and for a few seconds. I'm sorry Jenni, I can't, I can't really talk too much about the investigation. Ermm, obviously with Judicial secrecy and we are witnesses to a crime, so, inhales audibly I don't wanna do anything that will jepodise the investigation and possibly jepodise Madeleine, so err, probably best if we can veer away a little bit from the investigation.

Jenni Murray: How do you deal though, with the discovery of new forensic details, stories of you know, children being spotted in various different parts of Europe, people taking DNA evidence from glasses incase it was Madeleine. How are you dealing with that on a day to day basis?

Kate McCann: Longish pause If I'm honest, we don't read the papers very often, small kind of suppressed laugh ermm, an, and, that's largely because at the beginning, ermm, anything we did read or anything we watched on the television, there's so much speculation and inhales audibly speculation is upsetting and it, it doesn't help us, you know, so we, we t-try and veer away really. inhales audibly Ermm, the good thing that I'd say about the sightings, I mean we don't hear about them all Jenni, but the good thing is it, it just you know, it, it says to us that people are still looking and that's really important, so we'd encourage that.

Jenni Murray: What do you remember Kate of the last day you spent together as a family?

Kate McCann: Longish pause and than a large intake of breath and tongue clicking noise I mean, we'd had a brilliant holiday, we'd had a really good time, the kids had had a fantastic time, Madeleine herself had had a ball. Inhales audibly Ermm, exasperated sigh Again I can't go into specifics about the actual day, but, ermm, you know, Madeleine was very happy, y.. you know, we hadn't done anythink out the norm of that week. Ermm, small pause you know, she, she, was just very happy really, and, you know, my last memory of her is being very happy.

Jenni Murray: We've read that she told you what a wonderful time she'd had that day.... Kate McCann: Yeah Jenni Murray: .... How important is that for you to hold on to?

Kate McCann: That's on, that's really important. I mean, it, I mean it was obvious to me that she'd had a really good week anyway. Ermm, it just so happened that on the Thursday she said that was the best Kate emphasises on the word 'best' day of the week she'd had. Ermmm, and, you know, she was quite tired but she was happy and tired. And, erm, I mean, that's how I remember Madeleine.

Jenni Murray: Was she sleeping when you left her?

Kate McCann: Long Pause and huge intake of breath Ermmm, yes she was, slight low breathing out noiseyeah.

Jenni Murray: Lots of people would have asked you this question. You will have gone over this question in your mind over and over again, but Why Did emphasise on the 'why' and 'did' you think that night that three such young children would be safe, alone in the apartment whilst you went out?

Kate McCann: Audible intake of breath I mean it's a good question Jenni, and it's not..like.. I don't keep going over that in my head, but I think the fact that I went for dinner, ermmm, and obviously we were checking on 'em very regularly, ermm, inhales audibly says to me that I obviously felt it was incredibly safe. If I'd have had to think for one second emphasise on the word second whether that was ok it wouldn't have happened. Ermm, now why did I feel it was that safe? I could only assume I mean, I mean, I don't know if you've been out to Praia da Luz, it's a very happy, ermm, calm, ermm, place, and it actually feels incredibly safe. I mean I've never been to Portugal before, but a lot of my friends and family have, and they go because of it's a family friendly place inhales audibly and I can only assume that you know, possibly I was lulled into it, a false sense of security, I don't know, but, doe's a kind of tongue clucking noise, then inhales audibly evr..everybody knows too we..we were dining very closely to where they were and we were checking them very regularly, and voice raise here like it takes on a more positivity tone to it the reason that we were then tone returns to as before checking them regularly Jenni, was just incase emphasise on the words 'just incase' very fervently somebody woke up, which they don't usually do.

I mean I never thought for one minute, and who would? You don't think for one minute that something as awful as this would happen.

Jenni Murray: How did you discover that she wasn't there?

Kate McCann: Longish pause then tongue clicking noise Again I can't go suppressed sounding laugh into too many details, but obviously when I went back to check on them, ermm, she wasn't there.

Jenni Murray:And what was your first......Kate cuts into Jenni's question Kate McCann: And I knew .... Jenni Murray: Jenni cuts back in .... What was your first thought, what did you think immediately had happened?

Kate McCann: Pause, then the tongue clicking sound Wellll, I, I, obviously, I kind of looked and double looked and, errmm, pause you know, there was that sort of twenty seconds of 'yeah she must be there', suppressed kind of laugh errmm, but there was no doubt in my mind, withinsuppressed sort of laugh probably thirty voice raises then lulls again for the word 'thirty' seconds, ermm, that Madeleine had been taken from that room.

I can't go into the reasons why I thought that, but it was inhales audibly no doubt whatsoever. Longish pause And Madeleine wouldn't have walked out herself. I know that The words 'I know that' spoken with an air of complete cocksuredness about them.

Jenni Murray: We've read repeatedly that that you are someone who really does hate being in the public eye, you're a very private sort of person.

Why then did you and your husband launch emphasise put here on the word 'launch' such a high profile publicity campaign after Madeleine disappeared?

Kate McCann: I mean what, what, what you said about me, Jenni, is absolutely true, I mean, I, I don't like, you know when you think public eye. I, I'm, I don't particularly, I don't like having my photograph taken, I don't like doing interviews, I don't like doing presentations. But inhales audibly It's not about me, d'ya know what I mean? It's not about me, it's not about Gerry, it's about Madeleine. And we all do absolutely inhales audibly anythink and everythink, err, which we think might help Madeleine... help find Madeleineinhales audibly and, you know, we don't know if we've done the right thing, we've just done what we felt was the right thing to do and that was to publicise Madeleine's disappearance, and try and get as many people looking as possible. And if that means I have to put myself in the public eye, well I have to get over that and do it


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Ironside said...

ckh...Thank-you so much for this information...My sisiter has a friend who works in Harrods I am going to send all this info ..to him Viv please dont delete...plus I have lots of posts saved from the chimps...I will post this to her and she will personally put this in to the hands of Mr Al.Fayed....I would imagine he has not got a clue what is going on....There are a lot of posters that this has happened to..they left and are now posting there...this cannot happen there nor on the three arguidos...all posts are monitored very closely......The express is easy as you can be targeted....I posted awhile back an e.mail from this Jo.....thats when they started to tag me.....There is a base in

Turkey...curious...Aunt phil and her partner Tony Rickword...were making plans to go to Turkey..now we know why.....madeleine had ben missing less than one month....I know it annoys the hell out of them when I post any thing negative about the mccanns so shall continue to do so.....but have no interest in discussing...its sad because there are a lot of good people...I hope they stay....They insulted a friend of mine and that I cannot forgive ..so I will go through the correct channels and lets see if the owner of the newspaper knows this little game.....

Ironside said...

CKH...May I have your permission to post the monkey keyboards on the three arguidos....or why not join up and do this yourself...they would be very interested in your views...I'll await your reply...

Ironside said...

Alsabella...Happy New Year to you...and may all dreams come true for you and your family....Alsabella would you please consider also posting on the three arguidos...To my knowledge they do not have a portugeuse poster ...it would be great if you could and tell your side ...they a very decent people who care so much about madeleine...and I believe you could help a lot and put an end to a lot of these myths....would appreciate it....Take care

felicity said...

HIYA BIBA GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU AND WELCOME!!! I hope you will be a regular contributor - as I was always found your posts forthright and interesting.

I can assure you I would like to give the McCanns a mouthful too! I am sure you will not lose any sleep over being banned by the DE! That need not prevent you from "having your say" LOL! If they want to leave Popsicle Mork Mindy Maudlin Old Hippocrite etc to give such a good impression of the standard of their journalism and readers to the world good for them!! I wonder if they will increase sales for the DE? Serious question.... (!) Maybe its me but I find pages of their silly drivel jumping on the latest spun piece of "news" or banal chatter just a tad boring. I cant seem to count to nine....I can go one two tapas 3 and one two no one wants to listen to you, tennis playing two but Gerry really does love you! Maybe the fee from the Daily Mail will buy them another nice trip to Portugal! I bet Claris negotiated a good price for them..

They do not spare the insults do they - you are branded a paedophile and Rosiepips and Crito suggest I am infected with HIV, "billy not mates" etc! When I read some of their choice remarks - it makes me see red too! I am really pleased with the forum. I have just been away to a funeral on New Years Eve (sad I know) and come back to 13 posts just on one thread which is really encouraging!

I will certainly be keeping the forum going - the best is yet to come!

Keep posting and lovely to hear from you!

Kind Regards
Viv x

felicity said...

Hiya again Ironside re your second post.

Isnt it strange that the PJ do forensic tests/sniffer dogs on every single vehicle Murat used and his home and cannot find a thing but then when they do tests on the McCanns apartment and vehicle ! When Snow White and the Dwarves are singing about these er apparent Nine ?? sightings of Murat (which does not prove a thing anyway - he lives there for Gods Sake) how come they overlook this:-)


Viv x

felicity said...

Josiepublic - so thrilled to hear from you as you are one of my favourites too and I thought you had left us! Speaking of favourites - great to hear from you Rat and Dolores too! I hope you keep laying into them on the DE also just as long as you can! I read one appalling comment something like if you dont give a crap about Kate and Gerry why are you on here - to which I would say - we care an awful lot about their daughter - not them!

Hope you all have the most fantastic New Year and I really look forward to hearing from you again soon

Luv you loads!
Viv xxxxxxxx

felicity said...

Not forgetting the Lovely Alsabella and other absent great friends at the moment - Docmac, Claudia and Athena - Have a fab New Year and hurry up back - I missed you!

Luv you Loads
Viv xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Ironside said...

Viv have just posted this on DX as I have seen 2345 said that some one for having their say had her posts deleted.....This cant go on...On other forums this is not permitted..this bullying has to stop ...a lot who posted on DX have now moved to the mirror....there the mods are in action this behaviour is not tolerated...

Good morning 2345....yes the monkeys appear to be rather frazzled dont they...rumour has it here in Spain that Murats aguido status is to be lifted soon....Mccanns will have been informed if this is so.....Now think over the last few days and the chimps at work.....Any way as gerry knows Its not what you know but who.and It so happens I know someone who is a very good friend of Mohamed Al Fayed...I have copies of all posts from snowhite abd the seven dwarfs.......plus someone has sent me proof of the keyboard monkeys and how they opperate

Also I have that e.mail from Jo...who is the leader of one of the groups.....

This is the only format they can work on....all other forums they have been chased away.....

I am sure Al Fayed will be shocked when he sees what is happening on his newspaper......Happy New Year......Theres more than one way to skin a cat.....

You may not here from them for a while as this post will be discussed at their head quarters.....watch now and see the reply to me from them.....If my mental state is put in question or insults are sent my way I shall hit that report button all day if necessary....all of this I shall copy to send to Al Fayed....and lets see where we go from here....Al Fayed by the way hates Claras Guts...he was involved in the original inquest about Dianas and Dodis deaths....Happy new year......

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felicity said...

Hiya again Ironside

I specifically recall 2345 getting 5 posts removed the one day and being upset about that. Someone else I cant remember who she was discussing with also had two removed. It is very peculiar how the pros almost immediately get posts removed. 2345 is a very considered and articulate poster and I very much enjoy reading her. It is quite sickening that the banal and insulting rubbish they write to people remains untouched. 2345 was criticising the personality style and conduct of Gerry McCann. When I wrote to the DE and complained for being banned for writing and complaining about the nature of the posts Rosie and Christo in particular were writing I got an email back saying they had looked at my posts and I was libelling Gerry McCann. Now there is something very very sinister indeed going on here in my view. I believe the Daily Express knows just like we do that he is responsible for the death of Madeleine. It seems clear to me that you can criticise Kate but the minute a poster has the temerity to criticise him they have posts removed and/or are banned to silence them. This is a disgraceful abuse of the right to free speech.

As far as Al Fayed is concerned - I see him as a man both religiously and personally who is devoted to the cause of children and justice - so I wonder just what is going on here...Could it be that the newspapers no full well he is guilty but are prevented by the police from fully disclosing their knowledge to the public at this stage or is something more siniser going on?

I will continue to criticise Gerry McCann and demand for him, in particular, to be brought to justice over the death of Madeleine- let him sue me if I am not speaking the truth - I know that I am!

I hope you will continue to keep me informed

Kind regards
viv x

felicity said...

Hiya again Ironside

I specifically recall 2345 getting 5 posts removed the one day and being upset about that. Someone else I cant remember who she was discussing with also had two removed. It is very peculiar how the pros almost immediately get posts removed. 2345 is a very considered and articulate poster and I very much enjoy reading her. It is quite sickening that the banal and insulting rubbish they write to people remains untouched. 2345 was criticising the personality style and conduct of Gerry McCann. When I wrote to the DE and complained for being banned for writing and complaining about the nature of the posts Rosie and Christo in particular were writing I got an email back saying they had looked at my posts and I was libelling Gerry McCann. Now there is something very very sinister indeed going on here in my view. I believe the Daily Express knows just like we do that he is responsible for the death of Madeleine. It seems clear to me that you can criticise Kate but the minute a poster has the temerity to criticise him they have posts removed and/or are banned to silence them. This is a disgraceful abuse of the right to free speech.

As far as Al Fayed is concerned - I see him as a man both religiously and personally who is devoted to the cause of children and justice - so I wonder just what is going on here...Could it be that the newspapers no full well he is guilty but are prevented by the police from fully disclosing their knowledge to the public at this stage or is something more siniser going on?

I will continue to criticise Gerry McCann and demand for him, in particular, to be brought to justice over the death of Madeleine- let him sue me if I am not speaking the truth - I know that I am!

I hope you will continue to keep me informed

Kind regards
viv x

Ironside said...

Hi Viv Mr.Al Fayed is very involved with the trial at the moment which i believe does not end until the spring...I would imagine the last thing on is mind are the mccanns...maybe thats why this opportunity is being taken for all its worth...Anyhow it wont hurt to put him in the picture...this young lady works in the store....and has done so for many years...When I recieve a reply I will post it on here and the DX....Sorry Viv...have posted this on DX from Gerry's local rag I think the chimps will have it removed....so just in case its here .....Leicestershire/ Mercury....Apologise for using so much space ...but I think it means a lot to see public opinion in his neck of the woods...here we go.



CLAIMED SIGHTING OF MURAT IS 'A MISTAKE'
26 readers have commented on this story. Click here to read their views.

10:30 - 31 December 2007



A friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat has rubbished fresh sightings of him minutes after the toddler vanished.

It has been reported that two British sisters told police they saw Mr Murat outside the Ocean Club complex shortly after the alarm was raised.

If true, the sighting would raise questions about his alibi. Mr Murat has insisted he was at home with his mother, Jenny.



Family friend Tuck Price said the two women must have been mistaken when they claimed to have spotted the 34-year-old.

Mr Price said: "He wasn't there."

Annie Wiltshire, 58, of Aylesford, Kent, and Jayne Jensen, 54, of Maidstone, Kent, were on holiday in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing.

They believe they saw Mr Murat smoking cigarettes near the Ocean Club at about 10.30pm, half an hour after the four-year-old was found to be missing.

The sisters were interviewed by British police and have recently contacted Metodo 3, the private detectives hired by Kate and Gerry McCann.

An unnamed source close to Metodo 3 told the Daily Mail: "On reflection, they all thought his behaviour was a bit odd.

"Every time they see him claiming he was not there on the night, they find it ridiculous."

The sisters said they recognised the 34-year-old after meeting him the day after Madeleine vanished, when he was working as a police translator.

Mr Price said: "He (Mr Murat) says there is a possibility he could have done the translation for those people, but eight months down the line he has no idea who they are. He welcomes them going to the police." Reader comments
More spin from Team McCann, True colours shown by Martin Brunt so out comes the spin. Get the focus back on Robert Murat.
julie, doncaster




So Robert Murat is considered to be 'odd'? I tell you what I think is odd behaviour - the way the McCanns left three young children to look after themselves, the stoking of the media circus, the emotionless manner of the parents, their lack of physical searching, their inability to provide a time-line for 3 May that makes sense and their determination to make the public believe in a non-existant abduction. That, and much more is odd, not poor Mr Murat.
Cliff, Barnsley




Who are the Portuguese police keen to question? Mr Murat, well he lives there and they haven't bothered him for a long time. Then we have Mr + Mrs McCann, the rest of the tapas gang and the proven liar Clarence Mitchaell, who despite saying they are keen to help with the investigation, seem to be avoiding portugal like the plauge. Come on, who's looking dubious in this charade ?
Chappy, PdL




So Robert Murat is considered to be 'odd'? I tell you what I think is odd behaviour - the way the McCanns left three young children to look after themselves, the stoking of the media circus, the emotionless manner of the parents, their lack of physical searching, their inability to provide a time-line for 3 May that makes sense and their determination to make the public believe in a non-existant abduction. That, and much more is odd, not poor Mr Murat.
Cliff, Barnsley




Who are the Portuguese police keen to question? Mr Murat, well he lives there and they haven't bothered him for a long time. Then we have Mr + Mrs McCann, the rest of the tapas gang and the proven liar Clarence Mitchaell, who despite saying they are keen to help with the investigation, seem to be avoiding portugal like the plauge. Come on, who's looking dubious in this charade ?
Chappy, PdL




So Robert Murat is considered to be 'odd'? I tell you what I think is odd behaviour - the way the McCanns left three young children to look after themselves, the stoking of the media circus, the emotionless manner of the parents, their lack of physical searching, their inability to provide a time-line for 3 May that makes sense and their determination to make the public believe in a non-existant abduction. That, and much more is odd, not poor Mr Murat.
Cliff, Barnsley




Who are the Portuguese police keen to question? Mr Murat, well he lives there and they haven't bothered him for a long time. Then we have Mr + Mrs McCann, the rest of the tapas gang and the proven liar Clarence Mitchaell, who despite saying they are keen to help with the investigation, seem to be avoiding portugal like the plauge. Come on, who's looking dubious in this charade ?
Chappy, PdL




More spin from Team McCann, True colours shown by Martin Brunt so out comes the spin. Get the focus back on Robert Murat.
julie, doncaster




This contradicts other stories. Annie Wiltshire did not claim to see the man. Jayne Jenson, Charlotte Pennington and the unnamed barrister all claim to have seen a man in the dark, standing 100 yards away, their view obscured by two apartment blocks and a restaurant. Three hours later, 3 of the Tapas 9 claim to have seen the same man, in the dark, standing on a corner, from inside their holiday apartments. None of them identified the man they saw that night as Robert Murat until after he was named an arguido. Mrs Jensen and her sister even invited Mr Murat to have a drink with them the next day. I don't disbelieve the witnesses saw somebody, but anyone who took psychology in High School can tell you that this is quite possibly a case of association after the fact. If the adult male they saw was Mr Murat, why would he deny being there when the place was teeming with cops and people who knew and could identify him?
Mel, London




So Robert Murat is considered to be 'odd'? I tell you what I think is odd behaviour - the way the McCanns left three young children to look after themselves, the stoking of the media circus, the emotionless manner of the parents, their lack of physical searching, their inability to provide a time-line for 3 May that makes sense and their determination to make the public believe in a non-existant abduction. That, and much more is odd, not poor Mr Murat.
Cliff, Barnsley




All these so called 'sightings' are mere distractions. The PJ know what they are doing. All leads lead to the McCanns. Simple as.
Don, Riversleigh




I don't believe Robert Murat has done anything to deserve this treatment. He and his family have dealt with the situation in a dignified manner and I hope that his arguido status is lifted in the near future. I don't believe there was an 'adduction' - there's no proof of it - and the unfortunately the crime is much nearer to home. Poor little Madeleine.
Pearl, London




Enough is enough, East Midlands airport is a half hour drive, book a flight, answer the questions and then the search for justice for Madeleine can continue, it is not about clearing your name it is to find the truth for that poor wee child
Madeleine supporter, Midlands




Robert Murat does indeed look very much like David Payne one of the Tapasniks. When will the world wake up to the fact that the McScams have taken you for a ride. That poor child deserved so much more.
Rebello, Portugal




We didn't smell blood and death scent at Murats place or in his car. We did in the appartment and mcCanns hire car. Woof woof, wags tail
Eddy + Keela, Kennels




Why are Team McCann so eager to implicate Murat? It's because they do this so regularly that I believe in his innocence.
Barbarella, Yorkshire




GREAT PEOPLE LUELLA! THEY NEGLECTED 3 CHILDREN UNDER 4YRS! Leave them alone they have suffered enough, I THINK NOT!!!!!!!
KATE, ROTHLEY




I think it is important to bear in mind that these alleged is sightings of Mr Murat are being reported and publicised by the McCann's own detective agency in the British media. If these sightings have some relevance to the case, then surely they should be sent to the Portuguese police and frankly, are not for public consumption. Sadly, these none too credible revelations (which don't actually mean very much, the worst thing you can say it that Mr Murat was not entirely honest to the police but there remains no forensic or other evidence to connect him to the disappearance) have the feel of yet another PR exercise, which I feel is damaging the McCann's credibility. We have had a number of similar "Murat" stories each timed to coincide with some development that has questioned the honest of the McCanns. In this case, I think the Sky News piece by Martin Brunt, which points out some rather alarming discrepancies in the McCann official story, has provoked this counter offensive. I don't know whether the McCanns are guilty or innocent, but I do think it is morally wrong to use donor's money, given in good faith to help them find their daughter, for funding a PR campaign against a fellow suspect in the British press.
Nicki J, Leicester




Many people are convinced they seen Robert Murat, however it is possible that they could have mistaken David Payne for Robert Murat they resemblence is striking!
violet, Scotland




I don't believe Robert Murat has done anything to deserve this treatment. He and his family have dealt with the situation in a dignified manner and I hope that his arguido status is lifted in the near future. I don't believe there was an 'adduction' - there's no proof of it - and the unfortunately the crime is much nearer to home. Poor little Madeleine.

Ironside said...

Hi Felicity well I have done my bit for today for madeleine.....Have posted your blog on the three arguidos...so I hope you get some new contacts...I would love it also if you could join...We need people like you...that goes for ecolab ...docmac...alsabella..you can still post on DX. and muse ckh....Happy new year to you all...catch you later...have a good day..

Ironside said...

Hi Viv this was deleted from the mirror its back today...dont know for how long...Viv am leaving this with you keep it safe...dont know if I can post this on three arguidos..Its about Privacy Laws.....maybe you can enlighten us all

My post about the helping to find Madeleine campaign and website that had many good posts was removed after threats from the keyboard monkeys about privacy laws. This is dangerous times these are playing.

I HAVE BROKEN NO PRIVACY LAW. But Kate and Gerry have broken Criminal Laws. Notice to the Mirror, I am breaching no privacy law.

I have hardcopy proof now that Helping to find Madeleine has been influencing a criminal case, I have names and posts from a wide period and Team Mccann can get posts removed but cannot stop the truth from being saved and past to relevant bodies.

Like I said earlier just read their mission and make your own mind up. If you google the names in the email along with mccann, you will find the posts they have made on newspaper articles etc. Most degrogatory of the PJ of course.

They hide behind titles, and by pulling my posts I have hit the nerve and continue.

Hello and Welcome



Apologies for the distinct lack of contact over the last few weeks! Before I launch into what our focus is now, let me first of welcome you to Team France and give you a bit of an overview of me, HTFM and where we are now.

I joined HTFM in June having been conducting my own email campaign. I was disturbed by the fact that a complete stranger could boldly march into the bedroom of a sleeping child and take her from the safety and warmth of her bed. I am still angry. I want to see Madeleine reunited with her family and I want to send out a message to the world that we WILL NOT tolerate children being abducted/exploited and when they are, we will find them and the perpetrators of the crime.



Overview

Team France amalgamated with Team Turkey just before I headed off on holiday in October. Yana was leading France and I was leading Turkey in addition to being on main Admin Team with Jo (Founder and leader of HTFM) , Liv (IT) Isabelle (main campaign contact). Yana has since taken a more covert role whilst she is engaged in her studies!


A strategy was created in conjunction with the main ‘Find Madeleine’ campaign and we were happily bashing on with it when the focus changed to place Transport at the top of our priority list. Kathy, Yana, Janet and me, have already been working on specific areas, primarily airlines and airports in the UK. Our tactics changed to focus on a direct approach via telephone. Verbal contact has resulted in tremendous success!



The group as it sits currently is very diverse. Unfortunately, we were lacking in language skills to begin with, but recent developments have seen our numbers increase exponentially in Team France, and we are now sitting at 36 members, with a few French speakers. Our numbers are set to increase again soon.



Sub Teams

Because of the growth of Team France and its subsequent unwieldiness, it was decided to break into sub groups. The sub team leaders are:



Janet Leeson

Kathy Abbs

Karen Turner (me)

Vicki Jackson (back with us in January)



We are all focusing on Transport but will once this area has been exhausted, will move into other areas of research.



We are always looking for new sub team leaders. If you feel you have the time to lead a team, please let me know.



Plan

I have reviewed the structure of the Team though I am not familiar with the skills and attributes of all you, our newest members. I would be very grateful if you would be kind enough to respond to a mini questionnaire which will follow this email. Once you have responded, I will be better placed to play to your strengths though, to be honest, until we get to know you, your main focus will be on research and email. However, we are on the lookout for anyone who is willing to converse via the phone and it would be an extra bonus if you can speak French and indeed, are willing to use your phone to make the calls.



We are not funded by the main campaign and whilst there is absolutely no requirement for you to use your own resources, if you are willing to do so, please let us know. We would of course be very grateful.



Task Allocation

Tasks will be allocated under the following headings:



Research

Email

Letters

Translations



Further direction will be given as to what you need to do with the information.



How do we work?

A thread has been created on the Forum, specifically for Team France. A collated update on Team France activity will be published on the thread detailing activities undertaken and completed each week. A list of team members is also available on our main HTFM web page www.helpingtofindmadeleine.com



You will be asked to communicate your activities to a person responsible for our area of work. A ‘Weekly Update’ will be published on the Forum. It is really important the updates are completed on time as they are forwarded to the main campaign with requests for approvals for funds etc when required. Contrary to gossip on some forums, we are not funded by anyone, we are not paid for our work, and we are not engaged directly in any fund raising activities.



Forum and Domain Email

I hope you have all by now managed to familiarise yourselves with the Forum and if interested, requested your domain mail from Liv. Liv can be contacted on: Info@helpingtofindmadeleine.com. Liv can also give direction on how to set up a banner and give you details on how to run email through Outlook and Outlook Express. Using the domain email adds credibility to our activities when emailing.



Your Commitment-

HTFM and the Find Madeleine Campaign, are very grateful for your commitment and support. You have joined a formidable group with an intense level of motivation, driven by the belief Madeleine has been abducted and is still out there. We appreciate your time is precious and on that basis recognise that other commitments will take precedence to HTFM activity. We ask you:



1) Are honest with us about the level of support you can give – it’s OK if you can’t commit for a while just let us know!

2) Do not approach media or indeed if approached by the media, notify me immediately and do not engage in any conversations in anyway shape or form – we have been given affiliate status by the main campaign and we do not want to compromise the McCann family.

3) Update your team leader on your activities on a weekly basis (guidance to be provided)

4) Let us know if you are going on holiday



Finally – this isn’t a game; it is about the life of a child. If you have joined us and your intentions are not honourable, please do the decent thing and leave us to get on with the job in hand. HTFM are aware of some whose intentions have been malicious and who have subsequently posted vitriolic comments on various Forums. Whilst I am sure you are all committed to the plight of Madeleine, please also be aware there are those out there looking to make a fast buck and who get a kick out of being downright nasty. Be careful!



Finally - ideas no matter how whacky you might feel they are, are always welcome. Please post under ‘Ideas’ on the Forum.



Once again, thank you to all of you and welcome to HTFM – Team France. If any of you do have any questions, please drop me a line though I can confidently state, we are a very friendly team and anyone would be happy to help. I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a very Happy New Year



Kindest regards

felicity said...

HI Ironside

The right to privacy under UK law is due to incorporation of the ECHR into our own law. Article 8 is a qualified right - that organs of the state must not interfere with an individuals right to respect for his home and correspndence unless for a legitimate reason e.g. investigating crime as in the McCann case. In Douglas v Hello Newspapers the Court spelled out that newspapers are behaving legitimately when they disclose information which is in the public interest, again as in McCann. Clearly newspapers must not disclose so much that they may actually prejudice a fair trial. If they continue to report details once suspects have been charged and awaiting trial they can be inh serious trouble -= contempt of court. The court also spelled out in Hello case that those who have actually sought publicity limit their own rights still further and in the UK there has never been a specific right to privacy unlike say France - it is just that it is starting to have some limited respect since we incorporated European law in 2002. Neither you or anyone else are infringing anyone's right to privacy by pointing out that they tout for business in this way! They are actually seeking publicity and then complain their right to privacy is being infringed!!!

For more detailed consideration of the application of Article 8 see Liberty :

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-rights/chapters/privacy/article-8/article-8-the-right-to-respect-for-private-a.shtml

and for a more detailed consideration of the court's ruling in Douglas v Hello see

http://mavrkydefamationcaselaw.blogspot.com/2007/01/michael-douglas-v-hello.html


Hope this helps - I try and avoid complex law lectures - it generally makes peoples eyes glaze over - so just post reference points for those who may want all the detail.


Kind Regards
Viv x

Cláudia said...

Just wanted to wish you all a Happy New Year, my dear friends. I'm looking forward to seeing you all back, Viv, Ironside, Alsabella, Plaiwaters, Docmac, and all others I have forgotten to mention.

alsabella said...

Happy New Year to you all! May this year bring us all lots of Light and help answer the question of what happened to Madeleine McCann.

Ironside, I would gladly post on the 3 arguidos, but I am not exactly sure what you are referring to. Do you mean post on the DE forum? or somewhere else?

CKH_just_wokeup said...

Ironside -

Sorry for the delayed response -- I'm in Texas so it's only mid-morning here and I just crawled out of bed.

Anyhoo...go ahead and post the Keyboard Monkey email on 3arguidos, if it hasn't already been posted there.

I also want to point you in the direction of this MF (mirror forum, not the other kind of "MF" *wink*) thread as it appears that the poster that originally shared the keyboard chimps' email has fought back regarding the deletion of his original post. In this new thread, someone has gone and researched comments posted on newspaper submitted by "Karen Turner" whose name you'll surely recognize from the keyboard monkey's orig email. Here's the link to it: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34269&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Try to read it ASAP because who knows if that thread won't get deleted too!

docmac said...

Good evening all

I see this blog is very biusy, as I have been. Happy New Year to all of you who post here.

Ironside, I have been away in the mountains of Kwazulu-Natal riding trails and crossing rivers on horseback. I believe that you do this sort of thing for a living and I can tell you that I am envious beyond belief.

Have a fantastic 2008 all of you.

CKH_slightly_more_awake said...

Viv - here's the link to the 3arguidos site that Ironside wants you to check out: http://the3arguidos.makeforum.org/

I'd also like to direct everyone's attention to an excellant editorial posted by member "BlackWatch" on MF regarding "Cash for Comments Scandal" -- here's the link: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=33176&highlight= At the very least, please read the opening post.

Ironside said...

Hi Viv theres some posts on the arguidos that murat has been arrested....trying to get hold of alsabella to see if this is true...dont want to give them the pleasure on DX....Have a feeling this is one of Mitchell's spins again...

LIZZYW1 said...

hi Viv,
Happy New yearto you, nice to see your site have missed you on the Express one.

CKH said...

From Mirror Forum re: Murat's alleged arrest, as posted by member SallyGardens:
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Latest from Gazeta Digital posted at 7.05 this evening: "Francisco Pagarete, Robert Murat's lawyer, denied the story published today on a news website, 'functionpix.com', signed by Toby Serter, about his client having been arrested again by Portuguese police. 'This is completely false', Mr Pagarete told, accusing the McCanns of being behind the recent revelations of new witnesses that claim they saw Robert Murat near Ocean Club the night Madeleine disappeared: 'All of this is just evidence of how desperate the McCanns are,' Mr Pagarete said.
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HTH!

CKH said...

Someone posted a link on MF of a collection of candid Maddie and/or McCann family photos, many of which have never been seen before -- if you're interested, here's the link http://pic5.piczo.com/OfficialMadeleineMcCann/?g=45730683 Apologies if someone's already posted about these pix....

Ironside said...

Hi Lizzy and Alsabella this is the posting for The Three Arguidos

http.//the3arguidos.makeforum.org/

alsabella said...

Ironside,

I was just on a site where Tuck Price, R Murat's friend said he spent the day with R Murat and Family and that he had not been arrested. So, once again, I think we could chuck that in the spin bin along with the sisters and barristers and other crapola being fed to us over the past few months...

CKH said...

Ironside -

Here's another thread from the Mirror forum that you might be interested in, regarding Team McConn's fradulent activities with the fund and their keyboard monkeys: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=34409

If you're not able to access the thread (translation: it gets deleted), let me know as I've saved it to my hard drive as well.

I don't know if you know anything about the Nathalee Hollway story (American teenager that went missing on vacation in Aruba in 2005), but apparently supporters of the Holloway family "pioneered" the use of keyboard chimps to disrupt, discredit and attempt to influence the way the investigation was conducted via dissemination of hate propaganda aimed at Aruban and Dutch interests.

It appears that the Holloway case is the "model" the McCanns are following in their own campaign to disseminate false info and attempt to discredit the professionalism of the Portuguese authorities, as well the UK investigators involved in the case (including attempts to refute the abilities of Eddie and Keela, the cadaver dogs, by hiring a paid "expert" to discredit the evidence collected as a result of the dogs).

In the Holloway case, there is actually a multi-million dollar ($800M) lawsuit currently being litigated against those who hired and financially supported the keyboard monkeys that were traced by internet experts via the chimps' internet usage history by the alleged suspects in Nathalee's disappearance who have been victims. Of course in the Madeleine McCann case, it is the actual SUSPECTS who are trying to influence the outcome of the case.

The whole issue of "cash for comments" is quite fascinating and doubtlessly will have international legal repercussions in the future as this all seems to be uncharted territory now that the internet allows for "anonymous" witness tampering (by polluting potential jury pools) and influence peddling.

This is some c-r-a-z-y sh_it!! Anyway, do try to catch the MF post before Clarence has it pulled....

Take care,
CKH

felicity said...

WELCOME BACK TO DOC AND CLAUDIA !!!

And a big Hello and Happy New Year to you Lizzie - I think I read on the DE you were struggling with the tech to get on here - obviously not any longer! Lovely to read you and hope to read some more of your great posts. This blog is getting much better !

Murat arrested???? Surely the Daily Mail and the Daily Express would be screaming that at us if it were true. I think there is a lot of desperate and completely pointless spinning going on just prior to PJ coming back to UK - and Murat is not here!! He has always been available for questioning.

Speaking of which why does Rosiepips on the DE keep insisting he should be questioned again - I distintly remember that he was in October, when Rebelo took over! She has a very poor grasp of the facts :-) Some might even say that was quite deliberate....

Great to hear from you all!

Love Viv x

felicity said...

BUT WILL SHE??? Oh well not long to wait Rosiepips - according to the Daily Express Murat will be released as an Arguido TOMORROW - Let us hope so! "I think the PJ clear this man at their peril" - Why are the McCanns going to sue them - ROFL!!

Unfortunately folks it would seem that even when the McCanns get arrested, rather than Murat this lady will not go and crawl back into her hole...but maybe these words will come back to haunt her!


ROSIEPOPS
02.01.08, 1:25am

I WILL BELIEVE THIS WHEN I SEE IT
02.01.08, 1:15am


There are too many people placing Murat's alibi in doubt for him not to be re interviewed by the police. One of these people is said to be a barrister.

This is a serious setback to Murat and I would expect no less a rebuttal than has been received by his lawyer. I will await Jan 3rd with interest, I think the PJ clear this man at their peril.

IMO the PJ will either interview him on the 2nd or 3rd Jan again, or they will extend his arguido status.


• Posted by: Rosiepops