22 Dec 2007

TO THOSE WHO STILL TRY TO SHOUT "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE"

I say what a great post looking at just a couple of aspect of the damning and very powerful circumstantial evidence against the McCanns.

CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND THE MCCANNS
21.12.07, 11:16pm
There is a wealth of circumstantial evidence building up against the McCanns.If one isolates the individual aspects they may not be conclusive but in their totality they are.Circumstantial evidence has been said to be links in a chain of reasoning leading to an inference of guilt.It is when all the known facts are put that one feels that there is a case for the McCanns to face.Under questioning that case will become more evident.For example on the matter of phoning the police a investigator will ask;When did you first believe Madeleine had been abducted?Immediately (we know this is the answer from their own statements)Therefore you must of realised that searching for Madeleine was beyond your capabilities?Yes(again we know this would be the answer as it is obvious and the McCanns in their statements have attacked the PJ for failing to cut off the border therfore they accept that the only people who could act to safe an abducted child is the police)Therefore knowing that the police were the only people who could help why did you delay calling them?There is no reasonable answer,it is the equivalent to being present at an accident knowing that a person needs hospital treatment and not phoning an ambulance.Another question that could create problems is to do with leaving the door open.Did you leave your children on their own? YesDid you leave them on their own on May !st?(day Mrs Fenn reported child crying)YesDid one of the children wake up? YesWas your apartment locked on this day?Yes(we can assume this to be true as MW staff would of checked and if the apartment was unlocked reported it)Did you leave your children alone on May 3rd?Yes Was the apartment locked? NoWhy not?Because we didn't want to wake the children by opening the door.So knowing that a child had awoken or May 1st and that your children were such light sleepers that opening a door would waken them you left them in an unlocked apartment.Again there is no reasonable answer to this.It is when the McCanns,and indeed their friends ,are properly questioned that the true case against them wil be evident.
• Posted by: tylersmum

16 comments:

Ecolab said...

" If your children were such light sleepers, why did the twins sleep trough the hole night. Did you sedate your children?"


Great , let us have a little more of that.

Can we se a picture of the twins sitting side by side i the 3wheel single-baggy(with the raincoat off?)

*Justice for Maddy*

dolores said...

Viv,
This is to wish you a very Happy Xmas and a healthy and peaceful New Year.
And to thank you for the amount of effort you have put into your most imformative posts,which have given me a lot more knowledge and understanding.
To all other posters here. A very Merry Xmas.
xxxxx

docmac said...

Yes, Viv and now the LCN DNA ruling which has a certain DNA 'expert' hopping up and down and pissing down his trouser leg. I have read the ruling and the responses to it very carefully. It is clearly stated that there will be a temporary suspension of the submission of LCN DNA for analysis. As has been stated on the DE forum higher courts than this have accepted this evidence previously. The FSS also say that this technology has solved over 21000 cases. Are the courts going to review all of these? No way! I also feel that the ruling will go in favour of these tests, as the judge's statement that LCN is used in only two other countries is incorrect. What people also need to remember with regards to the Madeleine case is that the bulk of the DNA evidence (that which led them to be questioned by the PJ and resulting in the imposition of arguido status) is NOT LCN anyway.


Merry Christmas Dolores!

Ecolab said...

Forensic genetics.




The review first summarizes the molecular biology methods used in forensic genetics in Denmark. In criminal cases, there is international consensus about investigation of Short Tandem Repeat (STR)-regions with polymerase chain reaction (PCR)based methods that are standardised through international collaboration. In paternity and immigration cases, investigations are performed of both STR-regions with PCR-based methods and of variable number of tandem repeat (VNTR)-regions with restriction fragment length polymorphism (RFLP)-technique. Thereafter some of the most promising areas of research and development in forensic genetics are described, including investigations of still smaller amounts of DNA from biological traces, single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) used for idenfication, identification of factors that can contribute to information about physical traits, and farmacogenetic investigations

Anonymous said...

Just thought I would share this post from the DM forum.........

There are lots of contradictions, which the pj are reviewing, this will continue as they are far from happy with conflicting statements which have changed.

The forensic results have also proved more than expected.

However, there is still a good piece of evidence that the pj have, no leaks forthcoming, but there is an air of confidence about this.

Expect a serious development in the New Year.

This same poster also said there would be no child neglect charges because Madeleine wasn't there.

Is it possible that Madeleine wasn't there that night, but the parents knew exactly what was happening, and whith whom, hence THEY HAVE TAKEN HER? Think I am rambling now, Any thoughts anyone.

jo said...

What a bunch of incredibly sad people,surely you must have something better to do with your time on this planet.
I guess you are all lonely sad individuals who have nothing better to do than come up with rediculous theories about this sad story. Well at least you have each other to wallow in the mud with.
Merry Christmas.

Anonymous said...

I suppose you are another sad individual with nothing better to do with your life..-- something happened to Madeleine, and yes we are all theorising what could have happened.

You call people sad, so why are YOU
reading this blog and feeling the need to pass comment on others.

Merry Xmas to you and perhaps the New Year will prove what REALLY HAPPENED.....Perhaps YOU need to get a life, or at least pass some constructive evidence as to why you feel this is a straight forward abduction.

Anonymous said...

Times on line..........The parents of Madeleine may ask the media to pay for interviews and unreleased footage of their daughter. Nearly half the 1.2 million given has gone on advertising and to pay 50.000 a month to the detective agency leading the search.

Well Jo what do you say to this..........£10 for a T Shirt and now this.........stinks of nothing but a money making machine and for what?.......Some of the family must be making a reasonable living out of this fund........enough to enable them to give up full time employment.
What are Retardo3 being paid for...........to shift the blame to anyone but the McCanns......For god sake wake up the WHOLE AFFAIR STINKS.

Anonymous said...

Sunday Express...........MORE money grabbing ideas to boost the flagging food.

Ecolab said...

This is what it is all about for the McCann:

MADELEINE MCCANN ©2007 TRADEMARK





*Justice for Maddie*

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

I am sure the PJ will be asking them all these awkward questions in the New Year.

Whilst I know how to put pics on the site as I have I cannot seem to put them into posts.

But here is a link where there are pictures of the twins looking like very miserable little children being brought back to the UK with their fleeing parents in September.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480914&in_page_id=1770


Wishing you a Fantastic Christmas and New Year and thanks so much for your contributions to the blog!

Luv Viv xx

felicity said...

Hiya Dolores

How lovely to hear from you again my friend or as my Portuguese friends would say "minha amiga" which sounds so much better than English!

I am really pleased you have found the blog helpful and informative - I do try my best! but it is really the contribution of others, like yourself that make it great - so please all of you, keep those posts coming. It is really great when I log on and see the fantastic response that I get on my humble little site which does not match something like the DE of course.


I wish you and everyone who reads me the most Fantastic Christmas and New Year and really look forward to continuing to hear from you whilst this case continues to develop into the more decisive stage.

Luv ya Loads Dolores!

Viv xxxxxx

felicity said...

Hiya Doc - As ever, great to hear your informed views my friend.

Hiya Doc

My own undertanding of LCN DNA is that it is not necessarily to be taken as definitive evidence, it is more a case of pointing the police in the right direction. I think it has been stressed that this is what has happened in this case. WE heard the comment from the FSS - they are focussing their enquiries in the right direction - the McCanns! Even we, have definitive evidence of the countless lies and story changes. I believe the police evidence will focus on the inconsistencies in the accounts of the Tapas 9 and this is why these further interviews are so crucial. Also, as you say, it does not seem likely that all of the forensic evidence is going to comprise of LCN DNA. What of the large quantity of Madeleine's hair for example? LCN is clearly not going to be required here. Clearly a lot of cleaning had been done in the flat which may have severely damaged samples so that LCN was required but what of the blood sample that had not been cleaned up - the one that had run through below the parquet flooring. I believe there will be a host of forensic evidence including fibres that will form part of the case against the McCanns. Also, it seems to me the mobile phone evidence will be incredibly damning. We know that Gerry McCann has lied saying he was 25 km away from his actual location in June. Further the police are talking about arranging confrontations with witnesses who clearly contradict their lies. Then there is the evidence of Mrs Fenn that we know of which sounds incredibly damning. It is clearly not just a case of LCN DNA evidence. If that were so, the PJ would long since have given up!

Have a fantastic Christmas and New Year and I look forward to your really helpful input when we re-convene after the break!

Lot of love
Viv xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

felicity said...

Ecolab - thanks for the technical details re science in Denmark. The results were unhelpful in the Irish case - this clearly does not apply to all cases!

Anon

I do not think you are rambling at all. There is much evidence to suggest that something happened to Madeleine a lot earlier in the day - Wilkins partner in the Guardian could not place Madeleine at the childrens tennis display or when Gerry was showing off his stroke by the pool. I would not be at all surprised if it turns out that Madeleine never even got chance to get her pyjamas on that night. I also think it is quite possible the twins were drugged due to what needed to take place that evening and perhaps because of what they may have seen. They look like very disturbed unhappy little children to me.

Luv Viv x
Have a great Christmas and New Year!

felicity said...

Anon

I am pleased to note you continue to highlight the money grabbing schemes of the McCanns. We cannot stop the media paying them but we dont have to buy rubbish books like the one produced by the Daily Express! Neither, of course, do we need to buy "Maddie t shirts" at £10 a time - knowing full well who the charity cases really are!


Thanks for all your helpful comments and also the rest of you

Lots of love Viv
I wish you all a fantastic Christmas and New Year
and JUSTICE FOR THE LITTLE ANGEL CALLED MADELEINE MCCANN!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Our hearts and prayers are with that dear little child who we know is now in a better place. I wish the PJ every success in recovering her precious little body so that she can have a proper burial and to provide further evidence against the gruesome twosome who call themselves "parents". They provide a whole new definition of the word that is alien to us.

felicity said...

Anon

I am pleased to note you continue to highlight the money grabbing schemes of the McCanns. We cannot stop the media paying them but we dont have to buy rubbish books like the one produced by the Daily Express! Neither, of course, do we need to buy "Maddie t shirts" at £10 a time - knowing full well who the charity cases really are!


Thanks for all your helpful comments and also the rest of you

Lots of love Viv
I wish you all a fantastic Christmas and New Year
and JUSTICE FOR THE LITTLE ANGEL CALLED MADELEINE MCCANN!
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Our hearts and prayers are with that dear little child who we know is now in a better place. I wish the PJ every success in recovering her precious little body so that she can have a proper burial and to provide further evidence against the gruesome twosome who call themselves "parents". They provide a whole new definition of the word that is alien to us.